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1. 04:17 AM - Re: 701 Outboard Hinge Plate questions (Tommy Walker)
2. 08:26 AM - Private Pilot Flying as a Sport Pilot (Chuck Deiterich)
3. 09:24 AM - New Builders Warning (Cdngoose)
4. 10:13 AM - Variable Pitch Props (Michael & Donna Heit)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: New Builders Warning and Work table (Rmtnview@aol.com)
6. 10:35 AM - Re: New Builders Warning and Work table (Cdngoose)
7. 11:13 AM - Re: New Builders Warning and Work table (Rmtnview@aol.com)
8. 12:07 PM - Work Table (Clyde Barcus)
9. 01:06 PM - Re: New Builders Warning and Work table (David Barth)
10. 02:13 PM - Re: New Builders Warning (Carlos Sa)
11. 02:57 PM - Snips (Matt & Jo)
12. 04:46 PM - Re: Snips (Todd Osborne)
13. 06:35 PM - Re: New Builders Warning and Work table (Larry Martin)
14. 07:49 PM - Re: Snips (Ihab Awad)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Outboard Hinge Plate questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Tommy,
If you would like to see a good pic of this installation, go to
CH701.com.
Under builder links go to Larry Martins site....
Brian,
Thanks a lot. That's exactly what I was looking for. I can finish up my
work on the tail and start on the right wing this weekend.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive....
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| Subject: | Private Pilot Flying as a Sport Pilot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Below are questions I asked the EAA and their answers, sounds good!
Chuck D.
N701TX
Can a private pilot flying as a sport pilot:
1. Get a BFR in a four place (C172) airplane with a regular CFI?
2. Fly into Class B airspace without a log book endorsement?
3. Fly different airplanes (that meet the sport plane requirements) without
a log book endorsement?
Here are the answers to your questions:
1) Yes, you can take your flight review in any aircraft for which you are
rated. However, if the aircraft does not fit the definition of a
light-sport aircraft, the CFI who is administering the flight review would
have to act as PIC for the flight.
2) Yes, as a private pilot you already have the necessary training for
operating in Class B, C, and D airspace, so you do not need further training
or endorsement.
3) Yes, a private pilot operating at the sport pilot level is not required
to have further endorsements in order to fly aircraft for which you are
rated.
Hope this helps!
EAA Aviation Services
EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI
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| Subject: | New Builders Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Too all you new builders that have just started or are thinking of
starting let me tell you about a couple of safety issues that few other
builders are willing to share. Make sure bandages are well stocked in
your shop area! You will at some time drill through aluminum and into
the flesh of your finger. Though most may not be noticeable and can
arrange from surface abrasion to an all out gusher all abrasions are
patently obvious as soon as the acetone is used to clean said aluminum!!
Secondly, When it is time to chromate the aforementioned aluminum always
use a respirator! But even after a thorough inspection before donning in
late summer it may still be possible to have a spider crawl over a
moustache UN-noticed until it locates the nasal cavity! Typically this
happens while holding an important part in one hand and brush in other.
Try not to put the brush back into chromate jar for in your haste it
will spill all over your clean worktable, also by this time the spider
will have worked it's way to far up your cavity to safely remove and you
will need to wait for nature to remove the tickling in your head. In
addendum to this even with closer scrutiny of the now wary respirator,
during winter months FLYs hibernate!!! Warming up the shop long before
chromating and with prolonged use of respirator the FLY can and most
certainly WILL wake up! Once again showing the way for another of god's
tiny creatures to invade said wearers nasal cavity. If your lucky, said
Fly will in fact try a southern approach after nasal passage and will
get lodged into windpipe at which time rigorous coughing will evacuate
fly back into respirator which you still haven't removed due to that
fact that you are still standing with a dumb look on your face due to
the fact that in under less then 6mos you have spilled Zinc Chromate all
over your clean table twice and with a sore ,drilled finger you dread
cleaning it up.
As of TODAY my respirator now resides in the wife's kitchen sealed in a
large Ziplocs bag. At first she complained loudly but after reading this
letter she has agreed to it's new home.
Do not archive
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
Osprey 2 serial # 751
www.ch601.org
www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Variable Pitch Props |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael & Donna Heit" <rmrlpfm@centurytel.net>
"Mornin 'list, for a while now I am thinking of a variable pitch prop on the
701, does anyone have advise on this? Thanks, Dirk."
Dirk,
I once installed a variable pitch prop on a Kitfox Model IV. It was made by
a company called NSI and was attached to their EA-81 Subaru conversion. Both
the engine and the prop were way too heavy for the airframe. Both were a
superb conversion, very nice looking, and quite powerful. The prop itself
weighed 30#, though I think it was later on lightened up a bit. Any type of
prop that can be changed either in the air, like the NSI version, or the
ground adjustable is going to add weight. It seems to me the real question
is this: is it worth the weight and the potential of problems due to added
mechanical complexity on this bird? Neither of the Zenith STOL aircraft are
speed daemons; they were designed for maximum short field performance, not
cruise. I should think about keeping the weight down and relying on a climb
prop, or a cruise prop if you think your airfields most often used were not
in need of added climb performance with the prop selection. As for the
Subaru conversion, it was way too heavy for the Kitfox; I had to add 22# of
lead in the tail to keep the W&B in side the envelope. It was very powerful,
flew like a dream but forget the extra passenger if you had full fuel. It
had a failure at 15 hours of the prop gear reduction unit [twice] and the
Ellison throttle body was way too sensitive for the average pilot who didn't
want to keep fiddling with it. I think it was the design of the intake
manifold that made it so touchy, not certain. If I were building a 701, I
would by experience in past aircraft building and flight testing, stick to
the Rotax 912S [80 HP] with a fixed pitch climb prop. I live and fly in the
mountains of eastern Washington, Idaho and Montana. So climb is of vital
importance here not cruise. I ma taking possession of a CH-801 [hopefully
soon] and will be playing around with it in the mountains this spring and
summer to see what difference there may be between it and a Cessna 180 I am
used to. I am not certain if NSI is still around, and I haven't heard from
my friend Reiner Hoffman at Stratus for a long time so I don't know if he is
still around. I think the EA-81 would be a great engine in the 801, but
maybe a bit heavy for the 701? Other lest members here will have a far
greater experience with the combination than I have; hopefully they will
also reply. I hope this has helped.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Michael Heit
http://www.rockymountainreliable.us <http://www.rockymountainreliable.us/>
Efax number: 1- 302- 341- 1207
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| Subject: | Re: New Builders Warning and Work table |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
Mark, how do you know these things?
And to everyone else: I'm about to build the table that I'll be building the
801 on and had a question. I have two 49" X 8' pieces of some hard plywood
type stuff I got from Lowes that I'm going to use. I know the importance of it
being level so I'll take my time and do that part right. But someone had said
they cut some grooves in the table to facilitate getting to the bottom of
assemblies as you work so as not to have to turn the assembly over at this
crucial time. Has anyone else done this and how or what did you do? Any other
suggestions for the table construction before I get too far into it? It will be
49" wide X 16' long. Thanks in advance. rog
Roger Osborne
1056 Old Glade Rd.
Deep Gap, NC 28618
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| Subject: | New Builders Warning and Work table |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Roger in the Homemade tools section of www.ch601.org there is a set of
plans for building a worktable to construct your Zenith plane on. I have
used this table and can attest to the strength and rigidity of it. The
plans were drawn up by David Barth. It won't answer all your questions
but it is a good basis to start with.
As for the initial question, First hand knowledge is not always the
best.
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
Osprey 2 serial # 751
www.ch601.org
www.Osprey2.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
Mark, how do you know these things?
And to everyone else: I'm about to build the table that I'll be building
the
801 on and had a question. I have two 49" X 8' pieces of some hard
plywood
type stuff I got from Lowes that I'm going to use. I know the importance
of it
being level so I'll take my time and do that part right. But someone had
said
they cut some grooves in the table to facilitate getting to the bottom
of
assemblies as you work so as not to have to turn the assembly over at
this
crucial time. Has anyone else done this and how or what did you do? Any
other
suggestions for the table construction before I get too far into it? It
will be
49" wide X 16' long. Thanks in advance. rog
Roger Osborne
1056 Old Glade Rd.
Deep Gap, NC 28618
_rmtnview@aol.com_ (mailto:rmtnview@aol.com)
_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DowninFlames_
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| Subject: | Re: New Builders Warning and Work table |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
VERY good idea of making the box beams. That would help make it truly level
and keep it that way and it is easily adaptable to 12' dimensions. But how
about the grooves cut in the table top to get to the bottom of things. Has
anyone done that or seen where it would have been a good idea?
And Mark, my nose is still itching, I'll never look at a respirator the same
way again. rog
Roger Osborne
1056 Old Glade Rd.
Deep Gap, NC 28618
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
I wasn't satisfied with my work table even though it was pretty level, the plywood
had a few small dips in it. I bought two, 2" x 2" x 10' heavy wall tube, attached
1/2" all thread to the sides and used threaded couplings as adjusters.
Then I used 4' "C" channel (4 pieces) that ran across the beams. Leveled lengthwise
and across in just a few minutes. I am working on my second wing today
and I am able to reach under OK.
Regards:
Clyde Barcus
CH 601 XL Builder
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| Subject: | Re: New Builders Warning and Work table |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
I think I can answer that groove question. I used
tongue and groove plywood since I had to transport the
table parts home from the Home depot in a small
hatchback. With two foot wide sections, I would
require another set of stringers under the joint in
the table top unless I could fix the two pieces
together. That's the only reason I used the tongue
and groove. If you've got a truck and can handle
large sheets of plywood - go for it.
Happy building.
David
--- Rmtnview@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
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> VERY good idea of making the box beams. That would
> help make it truly level
> and keep it that way and it is easily adaptable to
> 12' dimensions. But how
> about the grooves cut in the table top to get to
> the bottom of things. Has
> anyone done that or seen where it would have been a
> good idea?
> And Mark, my nose is still itching, I'll never look
> at a respirator the same
> way again. rog
>
>
> Roger Osborne
> 1056 Old Glade Rd.
> Deep Gap, NC 28618
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601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: New Builders Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
I got used to wearing lather gardening gloves while working.
Comfortable and real cheap, from the hardware store.
Avoids "hull breaches" when handling sharp stuff without due care.
And, side benefit, no greasy fingerprints on parts, thus reducing need for cleanup
before priming.
I'm so used to it that now I hardly ever touch any aluminum with bare hands.
Happy building, and beware of those intruder insects...
Carlos
--- Cdngoose <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Make sure bandages are well stocked in
> your shop area! You will at some time drill through aluminum and into
> the flesh of your finger. Though most may not be noticeable and can
> arrange from surface abrasion to an all out gusher all abrasions are
> patently obvious as soon as the acetone is used to clean said aluminum!!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Hello all. Just got done working on the elevator. When I started this project
I bought a set of 3 aviation snips. They worked, but I was never was happy with
the way they cut. I could never seem to get a clean cut. When making the
cut-out for the rudder I was not happy with the results. I went to Lowes and
got a set of offset snips. What a difference. The cuts are much better. Wish
I had bought them sooner.
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
Another great tool is a pair of Jilson snips. I swear by these things
too. Those and a Dremel cutoff and simply fantastic for cutting
lightweight metals.
Todd
Matt & Jo wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
>
> Hello all. Just got done working on the elevator. When I started this project
I bought a set of 3 aviation snips. They worked, but I was never was happy
with the way they cut. I could never seem to get a clean cut. When making the
cut-out for the rudder I was not happy with the results. I went to Lowes and
got a set of offset snips. What a difference. The cuts are much better. Wish
I had bought them sooner.
>
> Matt
> www.zodiacxl.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
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| Subject: | Re: New Builders Warning and Work table |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I think there is a misunderstanding about tables being perfectly level.
They do not have to be level, they do have to be totally flat, it can have a
5/10 degrees lower or higher on one end or the other as long as it is flat,
corners to corners. No big deal.I just keep guys worrying about being level
and it's not necessary, but flat is and they are not the same thing.
Got my wings installed today, should have pictures on my site in a few days.
Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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From: <Rmtnview@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Builders Warning and Work table
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
>
> Mark, how do you know these things?
> And to everyone else: I'm about to build the table that I'll be building
the
> 801 on and had a question. I have two 49" X 8' pieces of some hard plywood
> type stuff I got from Lowes that I'm going to use. I know the importance
of it
> being level so I'll take my time and do that part right. But someone had
said
> they cut some grooves in the table to facilitate getting to the bottom of
> assemblies as you work so as not to have to turn the assembly over at this
> crucial time. Has anyone else done this and how or what did you do? Any
other
> suggestions for the table construction before I get too far into it? It
will be
> 49" wide X 16' long. Thanks in advance. rog
>
>
> Roger Osborne
> 1056 Old Glade Rd.
> Deep Gap, NC 28618
> _rmtnview@aol.com_ (mailto:rmtnview@aol.com)
> _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DowninFlames_
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DowninFlames)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ihab Awad <ihab.awad@gmail.com>
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:54:47 -0600, Matt & Jo <archermj@swbell.net> wrote:
> I went to Lowes and got a set of offset snips. What a difference.
One more thing to add to this:
The ProSnip offset snips have worked for me much better than the Wiss
ones. The "lower" jaw -- the offset one that is supposed to get out of
the way -- seems more out of the way on the ProSnips than the Wiss.
Another thing about the ProSnips (I don't remember any more if the
Wiss are the same): only *one* jaw has the serrations on it that keep
the work from slipping. As a result, I can keep the serrations on the
waste side, cut right up to the line and get a clean edge that
requires just a few quick file strokes and a deburring pass.
Hope this helps. Peace,
Ihab
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