Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:05 AM - Corvair Conversion (Charles Mulloy)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: [Bulk] Re: Re: I owe 2 people Pics of my Facet fuel pumps betwee n the nose ribs on a 601XL (Al Etherington)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: The final stretch, but I have a question (Larry McFarland)
4. 07:54 AM - Re: loud turn bank (Larry Landucci)
5. 11:44 AM - Re: The final stretch, but I have a question (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
6. 12:01 PM - Re: The final stretch, but I have a question (Rick Audy)
7. 03:41 PM - 701 Corrosion Protection ()
8. 05:35 PM - Re: 701 Corrosion Protection (Larry McFarland)
9. 05:42 PM - Re: 601HD instrument panel (Bob Miller)
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| Subject: | Corvair Conversion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Charles Mulloy <cdmbam@yahoo.com>
I just put my Corvair Conversion on eBay 4526062827
It sure would do a good job on a 601. William Wynne
has a lot of Corvair/601 info on his website
(www.flycorvair.com) If you would like more info
about the engine drop me a line cdmbam@yahoo.com or
give me a call 623 546 1238 Chuck Mulloy
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http://my.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: I owe 2 people Pics of my Facet fuel pumps |
betwee n the nose ribs on a 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Etherington" <aletherington@rogers.com>
Hi Joe:
You didn't promise me , either, but I would really like to see your pictures
Al Etherington
aletherington@rogers.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The final stretch, but I have a question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Trevor,
I'd be looking at wider rubber trim that provides extra reach.
This stuff is available in several widths, so you might find
what you need looking thru McMaster-Carr, Grainger and Aircraft Spruce
web sites. The trim will frustrate you less in the long run than adding a
flashing.
Couldn't get to your web address, got a fatal error message.
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
>
> I know the plans call for a flashing around the front of the canopy
> tube and I've seen some of you opt to not install that since the canopy
> fit is very good.
> I wanted to do the same however the middle of the front canopy edge
> with the rubber edging is about 1/4" off the front skin. So I guess I'm
> going to have to make a flashing to give me a bit of a lip that's lower
> for me to install the rubber trim.
>
> I have a picture on my website so you can see what I'm talking about
> (URL is long, you might have to fix it if the list truncates it):
>
> http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_photo.php?
> set_albumName=album04&id=IMG_1191
>
> So, is there another way for me to fill in this gap (the canopy has
> been drilled so I can't lower it) or should I make a flashing? What is
> the best method to make a custom one? Paper template?
>
> Also, I'm thinking about paint soon and with Larry MacFarland does
> anyone know the amount of paint required for a 601? I'm going to need
> enough primer to do the whole plane and I'm going for a 2-tone finish
> similar to the Zac demo planes but white and black instead of white and
> red.
> Can I paint in the winter or am I best to wait until its warmer (my
> garage is heated)?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Trevor Page
> 601HD 99% complete
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| Subject: | Re: loud turn bank |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
I remember a year or so ago some discussion of loud turn & bank
instruments on the AeroElectric Matronics list. The electronic geru
Bob Knuckolls suggested that the noise problem should be stopped at the
source by shielding the instrument with a (I assume grounded) wrap of
galvanized metal, aluminum foil, or copper foil. I'm sure you will be
able to find these discussions if you use the Matronics search engine.
Larry Landucci -- N801LL
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| Subject: | The final stretch, but I have a question |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: The final stretch, but I have a question
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Hello Larry and all,
In order to see Trevor's pictures you need to combine both lines of his link into
one,
Try this
http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_photo.php?set_albumNamealbum04&idIMG_1191
As long as the edit box doesn't word-wrap, the link should work, but even if my
editor wraps the link, then do a copy and paste of both lines into your browser.
This should take you to Trevor's pictures.
Keith
CH701 (still building, if I ever get home)
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The final stretch, but I have a question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Trevor,
I'd be looking at wider rubber trim that provides extra reach.
This stuff is available in several widths, so you might find
what you need looking thru McMaster-Carr, Grainger and Aircraft Spruce
web sites. The trim will frustrate you less in the long run than adding a
flashing.
Couldn't get to your web address, got a fatal error message.
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
>
> I know the plans call for a flashing around the front of the canopy
> tube and I've seen some of you opt to not install that since the canopy
> fit is very good.
> I wanted to do the same however the middle of the front canopy edge
> with the rubber edging is about 1/4" off the front skin. So I guess I'm
> going to have to make a flashing to give me a bit of a lip that's lower
> for me to install the rubber trim.
>
> I have a picture on my website so you can see what I'm talking about
> (URL is long, you might have to fix it if the list truncates it):
>
> http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_photo.php?
> set_albumNamealbum04&idIMG_1191
>
> So, is there another way for me to fill in this gap (the canopy has
> been drilled so I can't lower it) or should I make a flashing? What is
> the best method to make a custom one? Paper template?
>
> Also, I'm thinking about paint soon and with Larry MacFarland does
> anyone know the amount of paint required for a 601? I'm going to need
> enough primer to do the whole plane and I'm going for a 2-tone finish
> similar to the Zac demo planes but white and black instead of white and
> red.
> Can I paint in the winter or am I best to wait until its warmer (my
> garage is heated)?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Trevor Page
> 601HD 99% complete
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| Subject: | Re: The final stretch, but I have a question |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:59:15 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Audy" <rickaudy@msn.com>
How about this?
http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_photo.php?set_albumNamealbum04&idIMG_1191<http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_photo.php?set_albumNamealbum04&idIMG_1191>
----- Original Message -----
From: Ashcraft, Keith -AES<mailto:Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
To: FILETIME[3FD25900:01C50D4D]<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 14:38
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: The final stretch, but I have a question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com<mailto:Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: The final stretch, but I have a question
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:38:25 -0700
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com<mailto:Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Hello Larry and all,
In order to see Trevor's pictures you need to combine both lines of his link
into one,
Try this
http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_photo.php?set_albumNamealbum04&idIMG_1191<http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_photo.php?set_albumNamealbum04&idIMG_1191>
As long as the edit box doesn't word-wrap, the link should work, but even if
my editor wraps the link, then do a copy and paste of both lines into your browser.
This should take you to Trevor's pictures.
Keith
CH701 (still building, if I ever get home)
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of Larry McFarland
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The final stretch, but I have a question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>>
Trevor,
I'd be looking at wider rubber trim that provides extra reach.
This stuff is available in several widths, so you might find
what you need looking thru McMaster-Carr, Grainger and Aircraft Spruce
web sites. The trim will frustrate you less in the long run than adding a
flashing.
Couldn't get to your web address, got a fatal error message.
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
>
> I know the plans call for a flashing around the front of the canopy
> tube and I've seen some of you opt to not install that since the canopy
> fit is very good.
> I wanted to do the same however the middle of the front canopy edge
> with the rubber edging is about 1/4" off the front skin. So I guess I'm
> going to have to make a flashing to give me a bit of a lip that's lower
> for me to install the rubber trim.
>
> I have a picture on my website so you can see what I'm talking about
> (URL is long, you might have to fix it if the list truncates it):
>
> http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_photo.php<http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/view_photo.php>?
> set_albumNamealbum04&idIMG_1191
>
> So, is there another way for me to fill in this gap (the canopy has
> been drilled so I can't lower it) or should I make a flashing? What is
> the best method to make a custom one? Paper template?
>
> Also, I'm thinking about paint soon and with Larry MacFarland does
> anyone know the amount of paint required for a 601? I'm going to need
> enough primer to do the whole plane and I'm going for a 2-tone finish
> similar to the Zac demo planes but white and black instead of white and
> red.
> Can I paint in the winter or am I best to wait until its warmer (my
> garage is heated)?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Trevor Page
> 601HD 99% complete
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| Subject: | 701 Corrosion Protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
I am considering the 701 and am thinking ahead about internal corrosion
protection and would appreciate some opinions.
My plan would be to build and fly the thing on wheels at first but
eventually put it on floats. I am near the Chesapeake Bay and have a lot of
nice water around. The water, however, is salty.
I have read in this space a lot about corrosion and priming but frankly
don't relish the idea of priming every internal piece with mil-spec epoxy.
My thought would be to prep the internals with metal prep and alodine, put a
couple of coats of zinc chromate on each part and then periodically treat
the whole internal structure with something like Corrosion X. The question
is, would this be enough to prevent corrosion even if I put it on floats in
salt water?
Do I have to do all this AND put epoxy primer on everything?
Comments would be appreciated.
Thanks
Burke Johnson
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Corrosion Protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Burke,
I can only draw my opinion on using your bird in salt water from a course
taken a few years ago on corrosion control while working in the DOD.
The idea of coating each piece rings true, especially in the presence
of salt water and the air that evaporates from it. Your plane will be
saturated by
the atmosphere, so I'd consider the epoxy the easier route if you
look further down the line where everything on the plane is going to be
affected
to some degree by the atmosphere. Anything that gets scratched, dinged or
pocked by something sharp or vibrating will have you refinishing or
removing the corrosion that attacks each part. Much easier to attack it
first with the best means available than find yourself in a continuously
larger
circle of refirbishment later. At the least I'd go for the epoxy and a hard
finish for the exterior. Rinse everything in freshwater every time you pull
it
out. Wipe dry. It's still going to be something to deal with. A periodic
recoat of anything is not going to do it for you. You only have one shot at
a good protective coating. The second is called restoration because you'll
have to remove the first to apply an effective second first coat.
A good number of years ago,
Cessna and customers learned a harsh lesson about not having a good prime
coat
on the inside surfaces of their aircraft and just being near the ocean.
Their
aircraft structures were essentially scrap from the salt air a few years
after
warranties expired. 6061 is good as it gets for this kind of abuse, but I'd
protect the innards as best possible once. Zinc Chromate by itself is not
enough
against a salt atmosphere where parts are disassembled or riveted by
conventional
pull type rivets.
We very recently had an example of an English 601 that had broken motor
mounts and very badly
corroded mounting surfaces at the firewall from a few years of salt air.
Also, an .035 wall 4130
motor mount will degrade rapidly in the salt environment and I'd fill it
with Boiled Linseed oil
and drain the mount before closing it off as well. Stinson airframes were
done this way
and outlasted a lot of Piper aircraft that didn't. You can't afford to look
short term
at aircraft construction, because it's going to be around long enough for
someone to
get hurt by a failed part if it's not done right.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
----- Original Message -----
From: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Corrosion Protection
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
>
> I am considering the 701 and am thinking ahead about internal corrosion
> protection and would appreciate some opinions.
>
>
> My plan would be to build and fly the thing on wheels at first but
> eventually put it on floats. I am near the Chesapeake Bay and have a lot
> of
> nice water around. The water, however, is salty.
>
>
> I have read in this space a lot about corrosion and priming but frankly
> don't relish the idea of priming every internal piece with mil-spec epoxy.
>
>
> My thought would be to prep the internals with metal prep and alodine, put
> a
> couple of coats of zinc chromate on each part and then periodically treat
> the whole internal structure with something like Corrosion X. The
> question
> is, would this be enough to prevent corrosion even if I put it on floats
> in
> salt water?
>
>
> Do I have to do all this AND put epoxy primer on everything?
>
>
> Comments would be appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Burke Johnson
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD instrument panel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Larry and Rick,
Many thanks for responding to my question about the panel. I had also
interpreted 6F-16 as meaning the exact location was somewhat arbitrary, but
Chris's response to Rick sure looks like even 2" variance could be
important. I'm pretty sure others have moved it forward, perhaps without
Chris's input, and I'd be very interested in the results.
Rick, can you be more specific about the gussets Chris recommended? Where
and what were they exactly?
Appreciado,
Bob
>>
>> Does anybody know
>>
>> 1] how far forward of the plans location the instrument panel can be
>> placed?
>>
>> 2] how many holes can safely be made in the panel?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>
> Since the panel is an integral part of the structure, you might want to
> send
> ZAC a sketch of your proposed changes and see what they say about it.
> I moved the panel forward 2" on my HD. I sent a sketch to ZAC for their
> approval first. On the sketch I noted that I had used 1/8 inch thick
> aluminum angle for my longerons instead of the 3/32 inch angle called out
> on
> the drawings. When Chris sent back the approved sketch, he had me add a
> couple of gussets to the intersection of the panel and longerons. He also
> circled the 1/8 inch dimension of the longerons and added a note "approved
> with the thicker longerons only".
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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