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1. 01:00 AM - Jilson snips (Howard Carter)
2. 02:09 AM - Re: Jilson snips (Gary)
3. 04:17 AM - Turn & Bank noise, PTT Squawk, Oil Cooler opening with Jab3300 (charles.long@gm.com)
4. 05:51 AM - Factory Tidbits (Al Young)
5. 06:58 AM - 601 HDS for sale (Charles Heathco)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: 601 HDS for sale (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 07:30 AM - LSA Legal or Not? (Paul Moore)
8. 07:49 AM - N601BZ web site has moved (BillSewell@aol.com)
9. 07:50 AM - Re: LSA Legal or Not? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 08:42 AM - Corvair College in New England (Hodgson, Mark O)
11. 09:18 AM - Re: 601 HDS for sale (Grady Adams)
12. 11:59 AM - Re: New Builders Warning (Kent Brown)
13. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 02/05/05 (N5SL)
14. 12:35 PM - Re: New Builders Warning (Mark Townsend)
15. 12:36 PM - 601 XL Nose Skin Bending (David Barth)
16. 12:46 PM - Re: 601 HDS for sale (David Barth)
17. 12:59 PM - Just a test... (Beckman, Rick)
18. 01:12 PM - Re: 601 HDS for sale (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
19. 01:23 PM - drill bits (Carlos Sa)
20. 03:23 PM - question Me262 article: OFF Topic (kevinbonds)
21. 03:58 PM - Re: drill bits (Jean-Paul Roy)
22. 03:59 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College in New England (Kip and Beth Gardner)
23. 04:12 PM - Re: 601HD instrument panel (Rick)
24. 04:41 PM - Re: 601 HDS for sale (Don Walker)
25. 04:58 PM - Re: drill bits (Rmtnview@aol.com)
26. 05:01 PM - Re: New Builders Warning (Kent Brown)
27. 05:23 PM - Re: drill bits (Jean-Paul Roy)
28. 05:26 PM - Re: drill bits (Randy Culp)
29. 06:09 PM - Re: drill bits (Matt & Jo)
30. 07:17 PM - Re: New Builders Warning (Joemotis@aol.com)
31. 07:24 PM - Dirt Dobber Repellent (Larry Martin)
32. 07:31 PM - Twist Drills (Randy L. Thwing)
33. 11:04 PM - F/S: original CAD 601 plans (Sigma Eta Aero)
34. 11:30 PM - Re: Dirt Dobber Repellent (Bryan Martin)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Would someone please tell me where to buy these snips? I've been
looking for something better than Wiss for some time.
Thanks.
Howard Carter
howado@cwia.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary" <gary@digilume.com>
Howard
There are 2 types in the www.aircraft-tool.com catalogue
parts J1451 Jilson Supersnip shears @39.95 and JS12 Monodex 26.95
1-800-248-0638. Use search feature of the website
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Gary
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Howard
Carter
Subject: Zenith-List: Jilson snips
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Would someone please tell me where to buy these snips? I've been
looking for something better than Wiss for some time.
Thanks.
Howard Carter
howado@cwia.com
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| Subject: | Turn & Bank noise, PTT Squawk, Oil Cooler opening with Jab3300 |
20, 2004) at 02/08/2005 07:15:54 AM,
Serialize complete at 02/08/2005 07:15:54 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
I also have the background Turn and Bank (Falcon) noise when the
radio is on. Tried Electric Bob's solution of adding a steel soup can
around the T & B housing. Didn't help. I'm hoping a few hours of break
in on the instrument will reduce the noise level. Also have feedback
squawk when I use the Co-pilot push to talk switch. It is plumbed thru
the Softcom intercom. The Pilot PTT is plumbed direct with no Squawk
issues. Probably need to get it fixed at some point, but right now I just
anxious to get my bird airborn for the first time! Anyone else have this
issue and found a solution? (I'm using a panel mount Icom radio.)
Have a second question for those of you flying with a Jabiru 3300.
What size oil cooler opening are you using? What oil temps are you
seeing? Jabiru recommends a much smaller opening than what is shown in
the Zenith installation pictures.
Thanks
Chuck Long
N601LE
99% complete
Time: 07:54:42 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: loud turn bank
From: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
I remember a year or so ago some discussion of loud turn & bank
instruments on the AeroElectric Matronics list. The electronic geru
Bob Knuckolls suggested that the noise problem should be stopped at the
source by shielding the instrument with a (I assume grounded) wrap of
galvanized metal, aluminum foil, or copper foil.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Last Saturday I visited the factory in Mexico, MO for a little time in the XL demo
with Roger. While there Roger showed me some coming items which you new builders
might be interested in.
First: New wing fuel tanks.- Now to be 15 gal each with flush mounting fill caps
and no gaps around the edge. Thought here is to do away with the aux fuel
tanks and their plumbing issues. Do the math- 4 hours plus reserve.
Second- Pre drilled skins. First to be the stabilizer skin but more to come.
Next- Large access hatch on underside of XL fuselage, just behind 6B5-2. Good
access
to controls and flap motor.
I was very impressed with the factory. This was my 5th or 6th visit over a 4 year
period and I can see great improvements. Roger is now working on another
fuselage assembly, which he uses to make changes to the instruction manual, which
will translate into easier building for those of you just getting started.
Al Young
N601AY- About 2 months from 1st flight.
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| Subject: | 601 HDS for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
I bought a ready to fly HDS,Sub engine with Ram performance heads, taken apart
for hauling, back in Nov, and on the way to pick it up I bought a flying RV. Probably
should have reniged on the HDS deal, but Im the "committed" type (not
to be confused with relationships :-) ) Its apart in my garage. Anyone interested?
Also,if it was yours would you sell it taken apart, or put it back together,
get inspections, test fly and sell then? I have pix of it together. Email
me, Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | 601 HDS for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
For me at least a flying machine is a lot less risk than one taken
apart.
Is it sport pilot compatible...i.e is the stall speed shown as less than
51mph in the builders' log book...Should have a bigger market if it
is...
Frank
HDS Stratus, Ram heads, 351 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Heathco
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HDS for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
--> <cheathco@comcast.net>
I bought a ready to fly HDS,Sub engine with Ram performance heads, taken
apart for hauling, back in Nov, and on the way to pick it up I bought a
flying RV. Probably should have reniged on the HDS deal, but Im the
"committed" type (not to be confused with relationships :-) ) Its apart
in my garage. Anyone interested? Also,if it was yours would you sell it
taken apart, or put it back together, get inspections, test fly and sell
then? I have pix of it together. Email me, Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | LSA Legal or Not? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
List, there's been a lot of discussion about whether certain planes can be
flown as LSAs. Here's a blurb from the weekly EAA newsletter that
reinforces some opinions that the builder has a lot of latitude.
Question of the Week
Question for EAA Aviation Services:
Given that the builder of a plans- built aircraft is listed as
"manufacturer" of the aircraft, and that depending on equipment and
powerplant installations, different aircraft built from the same plans may
have speeds and gross weights that could place one example within and
another example outside the limitations of the LSA rule, how is this
situation taken into account in the rule? Would a more powerful,
higher-gross weight example disqualify all previous examples that comply
with the ruling?
Answer:
When it comes to amateur-built aircraft, each individual aircraft is unique
in the FAA's eyes. Thus, the fact that one particular example of a design
does or does not meet the LSA definition will not have any effect on other
examples of that design. There are going to be many cases where some
examples of a particular design will be eligible for operation by sport
pilots while other examples of the same design are not. It will be up to the
pilot to ascertain whether the particular airplane he/she wishes to fly as a
sport pilot does indeed fit the LSA definition.
So, if during your flight testing you can show that your aircraft performs
differently than the standard prototype and/or the published numbers, it
looks like many models we've decided won't ever fit may, in fact, be
eligible.
Paul
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| Subject: | N601BZ web site has moved |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: BillSewell@aol.com
For anyone interested, my 601XL project web site has moved to a new home.
It is now at _www.n601bz.com_ (http://www.n601bz.com) . The old site, will
perform an automatic redirection to the new site until the end of March at which
time it will be decommissioned. Please update any links you might have to
this site.
Thanks.
Bill Sewell
billsewell@aol.com
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| Subject: | LSA Legal or Not? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I KNOW my 200HP RV 7 will be LSA compatible.
Darned thing will be so slow!....:)
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Moore
Subject: Zenith-List: LSA Legal or Not?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
List, there's been a lot of discussion about whether certain planes can
be flown as LSAs. Here's a blurb from the weekly EAA newsletter that
reinforces some opinions that the builder has a lot of latitude.
Question of the Week
Question for EAA Aviation Services:
Given that the builder of a plans- built aircraft is listed as
"manufacturer" of the aircraft, and that depending on equipment and
powerplant installations, different aircraft built from the same plans
may have speeds and gross weights that could place one example within
and another example outside the limitations of the LSA rule, how is this
situation taken into account in the rule? Would a more powerful,
higher-gross weight example disqualify all previous examples that comply
with the ruling?
Answer:
When it comes to amateur-built aircraft, each individual aircraft is
unique in the FAA's eyes. Thus, the fact that one particular example of
a design does or does not meet the LSA definition will not have any
effect on other examples of that design. There are going to be many
cases where some examples of a particular design will be eligible for
operation by sport pilots while other examples of the same design are
not. It will be up to the pilot to ascertain whether the particular
airplane he/she wishes to fly as a sport pilot does indeed fit the LSA
definition.
So, if during your flight testing you can show that your aircraft
performs differently than the standard prototype and/or the published
numbers, it looks like many models we've decided won't ever fit may, in
fact, be eligible.
Paul
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| Subject: | Corvair College in New England |
<zenith-list@matronics.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
Hi Corvair people,
I'm interested in getting a Corvair College going at the EAA 106 hangar
in Lawrence, Mass. (about 45 car-minutes north of Boston) sometime in
September or October. Anyone interested in attending should send me an
e-mail--I'd like to have enough possible attendees to persuade William
Wynne that it would be worth it; he's never done one in the Northeast
and has some interest in the idea but needs convincing. We have the
facility and an active EAA chapter, and it's a great place to visit even
if you're not a Sox or Pats fan!
Mark Hodgson
mhodgson@bu.edu
P.S. Please keep "Corvair College" in the subject header to avoid
spamicide.
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| Subject: | 601 HDS for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Grady Adams" <gadams2@triad.rr.com>
I'd be interested in more info on your kit.
Grady Adams
Winston Salem, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charles
Heathco
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HDS for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
I bought a ready to fly HDS,Sub engine with Ram performance heads, taken
apart for hauling, back in Nov, and on the way to pick it up I bought a
flying RV. Probably should have reniged on the HDS deal, but Im the
"committed" type (not to be confused with relationships :-) ) Its apart in
my garage. Anyone interested? Also,if it was yours would you sell it taken
apart, or put it back together, get inspections, test fly and sell then? I
have pix of it together. Email me, Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | New Builders Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
Can spiders get into gloves? Just asking.
Kent
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 2:12 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Builders Warning
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> I got used to wearing lather gardening gloves while working.
> Comfortable and real cheap, from the hardware store.
> Avoids "hull breaches" when handling sharp stuff without due care.
> And, side benefit, no greasy fingerprints on parts, thus reducing need for
> cleanup before priming.
> I'm so used to it that now I hardly ever touch any aluminum with bare
> hands.
>
> Happy building, and beware of those intruder insects...
>
>
> Carlos
>
>
> --- Cdngoose <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > Make sure bandages are well stocked in
> > your shop area! You will at some time drill through aluminum and into
> > the flesh of your finger. Though most may not be noticeable and can
> > arrange from surface abrasion to an all out gusher all abrasions are
> > patently obvious as soon as the acetone is used to clean said aluminum!!
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 02/05/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi John:
I purchased two drill bits at my rudder class from ZAC - One of each size. I built
my horiz. stab, elevator and both wings before I ordered another two drill
bits. I have built 3/4 of my fuselage with the two new bits. I used a 9.6-volt,
2-speed DeWalt cordless drill for most of the holes I drilled with these
bits. I used the high speed which is less than 1600 rpm, but I don't know what
it is.
I always de-bur my holes before final assembly. I have heard that with a higher
speed drill you don't have as much to de-bur. If it is a decision of having
to drag around an air hose and listen to the compressor run, or drill with my
cordless drill and spend half a nanosecond more deburring each hole, I choose
the cordless drill.
I also have an 18-volt DeWalt cordless drill, but I prefer the smaller, lighter
9.6 volt drill.
Before acting on any of the above advice, remember it is coming from a guy who
spends WAY too much time in his garage in sub-zero weather and his brain may be
frozen.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
hi list
I am starting on my tail section (601XL) and have been
drilling holes and wonder if I am using the right
speed hand drill.
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| Subject: | Re: New Builders Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
I don't think I have found a spider in my glove but what I did find was, one
day I needed a small piano hinge for my trim tab that was stored in a paper
tube. I poured the tube facing toward myself and I'm not sure who was more
scarred me or the mouse that fell into my hand!! That's when I first found
out that I had a combined mouse/mole problem in my Garage. Fourty mice
trapped later and all seems quite.
Mark Townsend
601XL
Alma, Ont
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New Builders Warning
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
>
> Can spiders get into gloves? Just asking.
> Kent
> Do not archive
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 2:12 PM
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Builders Warning
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I got used to wearing lather gardening gloves while working.
> > Comfortable and real cheap, from the hardware store.
> > Avoids "hull breaches" when handling sharp stuff without due care.
> > And, side benefit, no greasy fingerprints on parts, thus reducing need
for
> > cleanup before priming.
> > I'm so used to it that now I hardly ever touch any aluminum with bare
> > hands.
> >
> > Happy building, and beware of those intruder insects...
> >
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> > --- Cdngoose <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> > >
> > > Make sure bandages are well stocked in
> > > your shop area! You will at some time drill through aluminum and into
> > > the flesh of your finger. Though most may not be noticeable and can
> > > arrange from surface abrasion to an all out gusher all abrasions are
> > > patently obvious as soon as the acetone is used to clean said
aluminum!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 XL Nose Skin Bending |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
For any interested, Mark Townsend and I bent up all the wing nose skins for our
projects on the weekend and took plenty of photos. It is a 12 foot bend of .025
6061-T6 for those unfamiliar with the part. There is a bit of a photo journal
of the really simple process we used at:
http://www.ch601.org/resources/Nose%20Skin/bending_a_nose_skin.htm
Have an excellent day!
David
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
I think as a rule projects sell at a rather steep discount from the costs involved.
On aircraft with their test time flown off there is probably a bit of a
premium over the costs that could be had from a sale. The difference between
the expected premium and possible discount is what you earn by completing and
test flying the project (turning the project into an aircarft) premium and discount
you will have to estimate in order to see if it is worth your time. Good
Luck
David
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Charles Heathco <cheathco@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
I bought a ready to fly HDS,Sub engine with Ram performance heads, taken apart
for hauling, back in Nov, and on the way to pick it up I bought a flying RV. Probably
should have reniged on the HDS deal, but Im the "committed" type (not
to be confused with relationships :-) ) Its apart in my garage. Anyone interested?
Also,if it was yours would you sell it taken apart, or put it back together,
get inspections, test fly and sell then? I have pix of it together. Email
me, Charlie Heathco
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Doesn't seem to be much activity......just
checking.....everybody must be hard at it......
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| Subject: | 601 HDS for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Not sure I quite agree with this statement.
I got $31k into my HDS without paint. I have never seen an HDS with an
asking price of more than about $28 with paint.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Barth
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HDS for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
I think as a rule projects sell at a rather steep discount from the
costs involved. On aircraft with their test time flown off there is
probably a bit of a premium over the costs that could be had from a
sale. The difference between the expected premium and possible discount
is what you earn by completing and test flying the project (turning the
project into an aircarft) premium and discount you will have to
estimate in order to see if it is worth your time. Good Luck David do
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Charles Heathco <cheathco@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
I bought a ready to fly HDS,Sub engine with Ram performance heads, taken
apart for hauling, back in Nov, and on the way to pick it up I bought a
flying RV. Probably should have reniged on the HDS deal, but Im the
"committed" type (not to be confused with relationships :-) ) Its apart
in my garage. Anyone interested? Also,if it was yours would you sell it
taken apart, or put it back together, get inspections, test fly and sell
then? I have pix of it together. Email me, Charlie Heathco
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
It may be the quality of the bits I buy localy, but I don't use them for too long.
I probably used a dozen or so when building the tail feathers.
The difference between an old and a new bit is noticeable both during the drilling
and after.
Holes are much cleaner with a new bit. And, when drilling a "sandwich", an old
drill bit will
create and turn burns between the parts, thus scratching them.
Even under a cheap magnifying lens you can see when the bit is "formerly new".
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Happy building
Carlos
--- N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi John:
>
> I purchased two drill bits at my rudder class from ZAC - One of each size. I
built my horiz.
> stab, elevator and both wings before I ordered another two drill bits. I have
built 3/4 of my
> fuselage with the two new bits. I used a 9.6-volt, 2-speed DeWalt cordless drill
for most of
> the holes I drilled with these bits. I used the high speed which is less than
1600 rpm, but I
> don't know what it is.
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| Subject: | question Me262 article: OFF Topic |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Please excuse the off topic Question. I read an article somewhere about one
of the first Allied sightings of the Me262 by a relative (I think first
cousin) of Messerschmitt who was an RAF bomber pilot. I am thinking about
doing a research paper on this event. Anyone have any info about this. I've
been searching the NET for hours.
]
Kevin Bonds
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@sympatico.ca>
Hello, I found using a Drill Doctor sharpener is a great way of maintaining
sharp drill bits. I got model 300 as a Christmas gift and I just love it.
Keeps the bits as new condition.
http://www.drilldoctor.com
Hope this helps
Jean-Paul Roy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: drill bits
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> It may be the quality of the bits I buy localy, but I don't use them for
too long.
> I probably used a dozen or so when building the tail feathers.
>
> The difference between an old and a new bit is noticeable both during the
drilling and after.
>
> Holes are much cleaner with a new bit. And, when drilling a "sandwich", an
old drill bit will
> create and turn burns between the parts, thus scratching them.
>
> Even under a cheap magnifying lens you can see when the bit is "formerly
new".
>
> That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>
> Happy building
>
> Carlos
>
> --- N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi John:
> >
> > I purchased two drill bits at my rudder class from ZAC - One of each
size. I built my horiz.
> > stab, elevator and both wings before I ordered another two drill bits.
I have built 3/4 of my
> > fuselage with the two new bits. I used a 9.6-volt, 2-speed DeWalt
cordless drill for most of
> > the holes I drilled with these bits. I used the high speed which is
less than 1600 rpm, but I
> > don't know what it is.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College in New England |
<zenith-list@matronics.com>, "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 11:36 AM -0500 2/8/05, Hodgson, Mark O wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
>
>Hi Corvair people,
>
>I'm interested in getting a Corvair College going at the EAA 106 hangar
>in Lawrence, Mass. (about 45 car-minutes north of Boston) sometime in
>September or October. Anyone interested in attending should send me an
>e-mail--I'd like to have enough possible attendees to persuade William
>Wynne that it would be worth it; he's never done one in the Northeast
>and has some interest in the idea but needs convincing. We have the
>facility and an active EAA chapter, and it's a great place to visit even
>if you're not a Sox or Pats fan!
>
>Mark Hodgson
>mhodgson@bu.edu
>
>P.S. Please keep "Corvair College" in the subject header to avoid
>spamicide.
Hi Mark,
I hope I'm not raining on your parade, but William & I will be
finalizing plans for this year's Ohio Corvair College when he is here
this weekend to do his "Night School".
My EAA Chapter would prefer to have it in early summer, but my in my
initial conversations with William last mnoth, he said that he would
probably have to opt for late August or early Fall some time, since
their big push over the next few months is going to be to get a
backlog of parts built up & also finish the Corvair TriMotor project.
I'm definitely not saying don't go for it, but you may have to
convince him to work around what we're already planning.
I'll be putting the word out about the OH Corvair College once we
have the dates nailed down.
Also, Congratulations BERT! It's great to hear that one more has
taken to the skies. Hope to see you at Brodhead sometime.
Cheers!
Kip Gardner
--
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD instrument panel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HD instrument panel
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Larry and Rick,
> Many thanks for responding to my question about the panel. I had also
> interpreted 6F-16 as meaning the exact location was somewhat arbitrary,
> but
> Chris's response to Rick sure looks like even 2" variance could be
> important. I'm pretty sure others have moved it forward, perhaps without
> Chris's input, and I'd be very interested in the results.
> Rick, can you be more specific about the gussets Chris recommended? Where
> and what were they exactly?
I don't have the notes here at the house, but I do have a copy of the
standard drawing. If I remember correctly, it was a larger version of the
6F9-1 gussett shown on lower/right portion of sheet 6-F-12.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS for sale |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:39:37 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
I've seen a few with asking prices up to $33,000. Those were in California if I
remember right. Don Waker
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 HDS for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>>
Not sure I quite agree with this statement.
I got $31k into my HDS without paint. I have never seen an HDS with an
asking price of more than about $28 with paint.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Barth
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HDS for sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com<mailto:davids601xl@yahoo.com>>
I think as a rule projects sell at a rather steep discount from the
costs involved. On aircraft with their test time flown off there is
probably a bit of a premium over the costs that could be had from a
sale. The difference between the expected premium and possible discount
is what you earn by completing and test flying the project (turning the
project into an aircarft) premium and discount you will have to
estimate in order to see if it is worth your time. Good Luck David do
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Charles Heathco <cheathco@comcast.net<mailto:cheathco@comcast.net>> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
I bought a ready to fly HDS,Sub engine with Ram performance heads, taken
apart for hauling, back in Nov, and on the way to pick it up I bought a
flying RV. Probably should have reniged on the HDS deal, but Im the
"committed" type (not to be confused with relationships :-) ) Its apart
in my garage. Anyone interested? Also,if it was yours would you sell it
taken apart, or put it back together, get inspections, test fly and sell
then? I have pix of it together. Email me, Charlie Heathco
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org<http://www.ch601.org/>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
I was about to ask about a Drill Dr. when this post came up. What a
coincidence. When I went to the web site, they spoke of the normal 118 degree
bit
sharpener and (of coarse for more money) a sharpener that does 135 degree points
"for metal". Is this necessary or are the bits we use normally, the 118
degree anyway?
At first I thought "for that much money, I can buy a lot of bits". But then
I thought, "not at 1:00 in the morning when I'm in the shop some Friday night
and I pick up my last bit and I can't tell which end of the bit I should put
in the chuck". That thing just might be something nice to have. So if I'm
going to acquire such, is it worth it to get the fancy/dancy model?
As soon as I get this table built, flat, level, square, smooth, straight,
plumb, PERFECT, then I can start on my 801 tail section. Thanks you'uns. rog
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| Subject: | New Builders Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
You would be amazed at how far you can fling a cup of paint when you
discover a spider in your glove! I just know this from hearsay, of course.
Certain parts of the garage can resemble a Jackson Pollock painting under
these circumstances.
Kent
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Townsend
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:34 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Builders Warning
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> I don't think I have found a spider in my glove but what I did find was,
> one
> day I needed a small piano hinge for my trim tab that was stored in a
> paper
> tube. I poured the tube facing toward myself and I'm not sure who was more
> scarred me or the mouse that fell into my hand!! That's when I first found
> out that I had a combined mouse/mole problem in my Garage. Fourty mice
> trapped later and all seems quite.
>
> Mark Townsend
> 601XL
> Alma, Ont
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New Builders Warning
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
> >
> > Can spiders get into gloves? Just asking.
> > Kent
> > Do not archive
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-
> list-
> > > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 2:12 PM
> > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Builders Warning
> > >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > I got used to wearing lather gardening gloves while working.
> > > Comfortable and real cheap, from the hardware store.
> > > Avoids "hull breaches" when handling sharp stuff without due care.
> > > And, side benefit, no greasy fingerprints on parts, thus reducing need
> for
> > > cleanup before priming.
> > > I'm so used to it that now I hardly ever touch any aluminum with bare
> > > hands.
> > >
> > > Happy building, and beware of those intruder insects...
> > >
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Cdngoose <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> > > >
> > > > Make sure bandages are well stocked in
> > > > your shop area! You will at some time drill through aluminum and
> into
> > > > the flesh of your finger. Though most may not be noticeable and can
> > > > arrange from surface abrasion to an all out gusher all abrasions are
> > > > patently obvious as soon as the acetone is used to clean said
> aluminum!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@sympatico.ca>
That's not only handy to have, but half a dozen bit will take you forever.
Just buy the basic.
J.P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rmtnview@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: drill bits
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
>
> I was about to ask about a Drill Dr. when this post came up. What a
> coincidence. When I went to the web site, they spoke of the normal 118
degree bit
> sharpener and (of coarse for more money) a sharpener that does 135 degree
points
> "for metal". Is this necessary or are the bits we use normally, the 118
> degree anyway?
> At first I thought "for that much money, I can buy a lot of bits". But
then
> I thought, "not at 1:00 in the morning when I'm in the shop some Friday
night
> and I pick up my last bit and I can't tell which end of the bit I should
put
> in the chuck". That thing just might be something nice to have. So if I'm
> going to acquire such, is it worth it to get the fancy/dancy model?
> As soon as I get this table built, flat, level, square, smooth, straight,
> plumb, PERFECT, then I can start on my 801 tail section. Thanks you'uns.
rog
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Culp" <randy_culp@hotmail.com>
I got the Drill Doctor 3000 for Christmas....and; well...so far I'm not
super impressed with the results.
Maybe it's just me; but I have real trouble getting anything close to a
correct grind on these small bits. There are instructions with it for
sharpenning small bits, but I didn't find that they helped much. My overall
impression was that the Drill Dr is really designed for use for larger bits.
Maybe its is just me....I certainly haven't given up yet....I'm still
trying to get a good point. It was a lot easier on the #20 bits, than the
#30's.
And while we are on the topic of drilling......I use a electric (plug in
drill) to drill my holes. I found a cordless was way too slow to produce
good results, and I didn't really want the noise/hassle of a compressor
running and dragging a big hose around. so I started looking for a highspeed
plug in drill. It took me a while to find one, but I'm very happy with what
I found.
It is a pretty rare Makita model. I just bought it new a few months ago:
The Makita model # is 6501, and there is info on Makita's website about it.
It has a 1/4" chuck and 4,500 rpm speed (no variable speed unfortunately).
It seems to be a specialty drill for people like us who want to drill small
diameter holes in metal and therefore need a highspeed relatively low power
drill. Mine works great spins the bit nice and fast for nearly burr-less
holes. The drill is nice and small too.....smaller than a regular corded
drill, and easy to handle. It even comes with a depth stop with a rubber
tip on it.
It cost me $80 from Amazon (ie: the old "Tool Crib of the North"), but
unfortunately I bought the last one they had back in the fall and now they
say that it is out of stock/discontinued. It seems to be a pretty common
model in the UK, but not very easy to find here in the US/Canada.
I figured that was a lot better deal than paying $200+ for a nice Souix
pnuematic highspeed drill.
Randy
XL, Jabiru(probably?), just starting the wings.
>From: Rmtnview@aol.com Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com To:
>zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: drill bits Date: Tue, 8
>Feb 2005 19:57:44 EST
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
>
>I was about to ask about a Drill Dr. when this post came up. What a
>coincidence. When I went to the web site, they spoke of the normal 118
>degree bit sharpener and (of coarse for more money) a sharpener that does
>135 degree points "for metal". Is this necessary or are the bits we use
>normally, the 118 degree anyway? At first I thought "for that much money, I
>can buy a lot of bits". But then I thought, "not at 1:00 in the morning
>when I'm in the shop some Friday night and I pick up my last bit and I
>can't tell which end of the bit I should put in the chuck". That thing
>just might be something nice to have. So if I'm going to acquire such, is
>it worth it to get the fancy/dancy model? As soon as I get this table
>built, flat, level, square, smooth, straight, plumb, PERFECT, then I can
>start on my 801 tail section. Thanks you'uns. rog
>
>
>Forums.
>
>
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
I also got a drill doctor 500 a little while back. I seem to go through
quite a few bits (or maybe I am just a little strange about sharp tools, I
sharpen my tools a lot) I agree that it is tough to get a good point on
small drills. All in all I think that it is just better to by a bunch of
bits. For the money it is probably a better buy. I have started using a
40 for everything and then redrilling with a 30 or 20. I am much happier
with the results.
Cheers
Matt Archer
www.zodiacxl.com
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| Subject: | Re: New Builders Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Spiders can get into anything. If it is a problem, just store your gloves in
a zipper lock baggie.
At my Airpark in AZ. We worry about scorpions, Mojave greens, and
rattlesnakes and an occasional Javelina (mean wild pigs). Most spiders, even poisonous
ones such as Brown recluse and Black widows are still good spiders as far as
that goes. Tarantulas are scary looking but will leave you alone if not
disturbed. I have been bitten by a brown recluse and puked for 2 days and had a
high fever also but lived through it.
Joe Motis
601XL
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| Subject: | Dirt Dobber Repellent |
0.44 FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS Outlook can't send HTML in this format
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
A friend and fellow 701 builder who is in the Air Force, a navigator in a C130,
said that they, USAF, use a oily mist that is forced inside of wings and other
voids in the C130 to keep Dirt Dobbers and other undesirables from building
nests inside the airplane.
Where I live, I have several ponds and in the hot summer, dirt dobbers are a problem.
Anyone got any advise or know of such a treatment I could use to keep
them out of my plane?
Larry N1345L
My Site www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
The two most common twist drill types off the shelf are:
1. High speed steel, 118 degree point angle, standard chisel point.
2. Cobalt steel, 135 degree point angle, split point.
The standard chisel point tends to "walk" when started into work without
center punching. The split point is considered self centering and center
punching for hole location is not required. Cobalt steel is high speed
steel with 6 to 8 percent cobalt added which makes it more wear resistant,
giving more holes between sharpenings. Although either type works well in
standard materials, for the small price difference, I always buy the cobalt
split points.
For a detailed article on drill point geometry, including altering drills to
drill plexiglass, try this link:
http://www.newmantools.com/machines/drillpoint.html
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | F/S: original CAD 601 plans |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Sigma Eta Aero <sigmatero@yahoo.com>
Need to sell my original CAD (not hand drawn) CH-601HD plans. These are serialized
and completely original, definitely not copies. Only asking $195 which is
$200 less than Zenith wants for their current 601 plans. Somebody will get
a great start on a sweet plans-built plane :)
Joa
208-290-0252
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| Subject: | Re: Dirt Dobber Repellent |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I had problems with wasps building nests in my trailers until I started
spraying the favored nesting areas about once a month with Yard Guard
outdoor fogger (other brands work too). I would fog down the underside and
all the cracks and crevices the wasps liked to get into. It worked very
well.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> A friend and fellow 701 builder who is in the Air Force, a navigator in a
> C130, said that they, USAF, use a oily mist that is forced inside of wings and
> other voids in the C130 to keep Dirt Dobbers and other undesirables from
> building nests inside the airplane.
>
> Where I live, I have several ponds and in the hot summer, dirt dobbers are a
> problem. Anyone got any advise or know of such a treatment I could use to
> keep them out of my plane?
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
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