Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:31 AM - Fuel Injection Plumbing (Tom Pizzacalla)
2. 07:49 AM - Re: Flour Port (Bob Miller)
3. 08:37 AM - Re: 601XL Propr problem II (James Sagerser)
4. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Flour Port (Cdngoose)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: 601XL Propr problem II (Hal Rozema)
6. 10:07 AM - Re: Rudder Pedals (Lance Gingell)
7. 10:59 AM - Re: 601 XL Prop Problem (roy vickski)
8. 11:01 AM - Zinc chromate (Rmtnview@aol.com)
9. 11:21 AM - Re: Zinc chromate (Randy Stout)
10. 11:21 AM - Re: Zinc chromate (Cdngoose)
11. 11:34 AM - Re: Zinc chromate (Cdngoose)
12. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Flour Port (Paul Jenkins)
13. 01:35 PM - Re: Fuel Injection Plumbing (george may)
14. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Flour Port (Samm Munn)
15. 02:36 PM - MORE Re: Flour Port (Cdngoose)
16. 02:55 PM - Re: Rivets (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
17. 03:03 PM - Wing Walk (Cdngoose)
18. 03:03 PM - Re: Zinc chromate (Larry McFarland)
19. 03:03 PM - Re: 601XL Propr problem II (Pete Krotje)
20. 04:48 PM - Re: Rivets (Ozarkseller2@aol.com)
21. 05:16 PM - Re: Rivets (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
22. 05:17 PM - Re: Zinc chromate (Rmtnview@aol.com)
23. 06:26 PM - Re: MORE Re: Flour Port (Rick Audy)
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| Subject: | Fuel Injection Plumbing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Pizzacalla" <tompizza@cogeco.ca>
I'm looking for help with the plumbing of my fuel injection system using
the Performance fuel injection system. I'm not sure of the function of
all the connection like the vent on the fuel pump and the second fitting
on the fuel distributor. Does anyone know the correct plumbing for all
this? Thanks
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
I've sent my flour port pics to ch601.org, they may be up since the last
time I looked.
For those who missed it, the following is from the latest AOPA eletter:
==========
FLOUR BOMBING CAUSES COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN ARIZONA
If it's "legal" under the FARs, does that mean you can do it? An Arizona
flight instructor is learning a tough lesson that the state may prohibit
what the feds don't. The instructor and a passenger allegedly dropped "flour
bombs" on some buddies engaged in paintball combat in the Tonto National
Forest. But nearby residents saw the white powder and thought terrorists
were dropping anthrax into a nearby reservoir. While FAR 91.15 doesn't
prohibit dropping something from an aircraft, "if reasonable precautions are
taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property," local laws do.
According to AOPA Chief Counsel John Yodice, federal regulations do not
preempt local law when it comes to reckless flying or flying while impaired.
The Arizona pilot and passenger are facing multiple misdemeanor counts for
the stunt. And the pilot is under FAA investigation.
==========
OK, so local laws might prohibit it, but why is the pilot under FAA
investigation?
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Propr problem II |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Sagerser <alaskajim@cox.net>
On 2/11/05 9:52 PM, "JAPhillipsGA@aol.com" <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Hal, You are incorrect. I am by profession a trial attorney, not an airplane
> designer. I have on occasion altered the Zenith design when the common sense
> you mentioned alerted me to the need, but not without touching base with ZAC.
> I
> am not the manufacture, I am the builder. I have interpreted the plans and
> photos I purchased from ZAC to assemble the airplane. Each of us has a
> different interpretation so our planes look and will perform differently. On
> the other
> hand, attaching the prop is not design, it is mere physical mechanics and
> there should be a best way just as there is a best torque setting for the
> bolts
> and a best torque sequence pattern. As to "getting on" the folks at ZAC or
> Jab,
> I think for the money I have spent I, or anybody, should reasonably expect an
> answer concerning a significant difference in there products instructions.
> This "No Comment" response I received today is what you should expect from a
> politician not from someone I compensated in advance for his knowledge when I
> purchased the plans and kit. Remember? Part of the sales pitch was expert
> technical support. Lastly as to liability, having sued some of the largest
> insurance
> companies in the nation through their clients I believe I understand liability
> and negligence law pretty well. If ZAC or Jabiru believes those simple forms
> we filled out will protect them from all liability they may need some more
> advise. Or if you think that we, as builders of their kits, have no actionable
> avenues in case of wrongful death or injury from gross negligence on their
> part
> then you are mistaken. All that aside, all I want to do is complete the most
> safe airplane possible, and my question to the Thread was 'is there a Best
> Way.' I appreciate your indication that you employed the ZAC method. Was
> that
> before Jab published a totally opposite method? What question would you have
> reasonably have asked had you had to decide now, knowing that the engine
> producer believes that ZAC is completely incorrect in method? Best regards and
> I
> remain, Bill of Georgia
>
>
>
>
>
>
I but my prop bolts on my Jab 2200 from front to back. I think it's
important to see the nuts (threads remaining) with the spinner installed but
more importantly, if installed back to front and a nut comes off and the
bolt may back out and come into contact with the case. It would do a job on
the flange, case, and prop. Not a good situation. Just a thought. Jim
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Flour
<http://www.ch701.com/Builders%20Resources/flour_bomb/flour_bomb.htm>
Bomb bay door ~ by Bob Miller has been uploaded to the Builders
resources section of both www.ch601.org <http://www.ch601.org/> and
www.ch701.com <http://www.ch701.com/>
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751
President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter
www.ch601.org
www.ch701.com
www.Osprey2.com <http://www.osprey2.com/>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
<drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
I've sent my flour port pics to ch601.org, they may be up since the last
time I looked.
For those who missed it, the following is from the latest AOPA eletter:
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Propr problem II |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Dear Bill:
I will not try to compete with definitions found in legalese, but the
EAA and FAA hold each homebuilder to be in the same category whether kit
or plans built, as Cessna, Piper, Beech, etc. The difference, they are
certifying factory design and fabrication which must be followed to the
letter, while each homebuilt, no matter who counsels, what authorities
are used, who provided the aluminum stock or wood or fabric will be
producing a unique, one off, airplane. If you built two, the second
would have differences from former, and so unique in its own right. It
is impossible for any of use to get rivet spacing identical, wiring
identical, etc.
Regardless of your interpretation of THE LAW, I think ZAC is within its
right in any court of law, to refuse to pass judgment or recommendation
on any question regarding third party provided components. If they did
not recommend or sell the FWF package, engine and propellor, they could
be rightfully be held liable for any miss information they might offer
anyone. There interest ends with recommendation of power needed, and
weight and balance. Recommending and engine propellor connection for
components they did not furnish or recommend is equivalent to asking
them what air pressure you should carry in the tires of your Lexus SUV.
Getting out of court for a moment and back to being airplane
homebuilders. There are two rules for all nuts and bolts, ahead of all
others. First, always a washer under nuts (Washers my go under heads,
but only if needed as spacers). Second, whenever possible, always leave
the nut exposed for visual check during preflight, 25 hour, 50 hour or
100 hour inspections. In order of importance, nuts on propellors,
rudders, wings flaps, ailerons, engine, landing gear should be visible
during preflight. (If Jabiru wrote there manual before adding a spinner,
like a J3 Cub, the nuts would be forward because they can be most easily
seen... the loads are the same either way)
My three degrees are not in law, but engineering and business and the
verbs and noun of making things carry marked similarity in my book:
BUILD to construct or make
MANUFACTURE to make, produce, or fabricate
FABRICATE to build, construct, manufacture, or make
When you alter or modify or change any element in an aircraft designers
design without that designer personally signing off that specific
change, you become the designer.
All the specifics of the FAA Homebuilt, Experimental, Amateur-Built are
given in
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/0ca2845e2aafffbb86256dbf00640cb2/$FILE/AC20-27F.pdf
Are you going to represent yourself when you go to trial?
Hal Rozema
ThePlaneFolks.Net
http://theplanefolks.net/gallery/fuselage?page=1
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Jim,
Have you built the blocks yet? could you email/ post a picture somewhere?
...lance...on forward fuse.
Http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jim Pensinger"<jim@pensinger.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Pedals
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pensinger" <jim@pensinger.net>
I am mounting mine at the extreme forward position then attaching blocks to
make them in a comfortable flying position. This way, I can guarantee that
they will "fit me" and will work for other pilots, Initially I will not put
any extensions on the co-pilot side to give more legroom for passengers.
An added benefit is that I won't be wearing away the finish on the steel
assemblies.
Jim Pensinger
www.tn004.com/N250JP
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Prop Problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
Regards to the group,
I agree with Hal, but I decided to check with the
experts at the club meeting this morning. The results
were quite interesting to me so I will share them with
the group.
Our resident arbitration lawyer thought it would be
best if 3 bolts pointed in and the other 3 point out
in a staggered type arrangement.
The slip and fall lawyer suggested it didn't matter as
long as they are left loose.
The lawyer for a prominent insurance company thought
that if they were left out all-together there would be
a chance his company could write a liability policy.
The medical malpractice lawyer suggested it didn't
really matter just as long as you could find a doctor
to install them, and be sure not to check for leftover
parts or missing tools.
The discussion became so heated that this old polish
mechanic had to get some fresh air, and while outside
I started looking at airplanes. The C180 and 182 had
the bolts in from the front, the rotax stuff went in
opposite. Statistically it was a dead heat. Sadly I
could not report back with any kind of definitive
survey results.
I expected a raging knockdown argument when I got back
to the clubhouse, but everyone was laughing and knee
slapping. Seems they were telling jokes and the
unanimous favorite was this one;
At the cemetery, lawyers get buried 10 feet deep
instead of 6 feet like everyone else,, because,,
Deep down they are not all that bad.
Roy Szarafinski
701 plans corvair renigade
did I remember to install the cotterpin in the
flaperon belcrank? now that I think about it, what
about the #6 con-rod nuts? was that a cold weld on the
nosewheel tube? what about the rivet edge distance on
the nose rib reinforcement?
Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear....and Ray is just now in
physical therepy rehab 18 months after his crash.
P.S. This is all in jest, except the rehab part,
nothing personal, no hard feelings, lighten up, chill
out, confrontations relished.
Do not archive
__________________________________
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
Hey group. I've searched the archives yet need to know if anyone knows where
I might order zinc chromate, brush on, not the spray? For those of you that
have used the spray, what do you think of it. I have a fresh air source mask
system so I'm not concerned about inhalation problems. Is the spray okay or
is it worth it to keep trying to find the brush on kind? I have found several
places to order the spray-on including Aircraft Spruce. Not trying to beat a
dead horse to death here, just trying to find some up-to-date information.
BTW, I finished my table last night and am about to build the rudder stand.
Yepeeeee!!!
Thanks. rog
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
A local boat store like West Marine or Boaters World will normally stock
it. .
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: <Rmtnview@aol.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/12/05 1:00:44 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zinc chromate
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
>
> Hey group. I've searched the archives yet need to know if anyone knows
where
> I might order zinc chromate, brush on, not the spray? For those of you
that
> have used the spray, what do you think of it. I have a fresh air source
mask
> system so I'm not concerned about inhalation problems. Is the spray okay
or
> is it worth it to keep trying to find the brush on kind? I have found
several
> places to order the spray-on including Aircraft Spruce. Not trying to
beat a
> dead horse to death here, just trying to find some up-to-date
information.
> BTW, I finished my table last night and am about to build the rudder
stand.
> Yepeeeee!!!
> Thanks. rog
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Rog, try the FAQ's in the www.ch601.org site I'm sure there is an
address for the brush on type.
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751
President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter
www.ch601.org
www.ch701.com
www.Osprey2.com
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Rmtnview@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Zinc chromate
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
Hey group. I've searched the archives yet need to know if anyone knows
where
I might order zinc chromate, brush on, not the spray? For those of you
that
have used the spray, what do you think of it. I have a fresh air source
mask
system so I'm not concerned about inhalation problems. Is the spray okay
or
is it worth it to keep trying to find the brush on kind? I have found
several
places to order the spray-on including Aircraft Spruce. Not trying to
beat a
dead horse to death here, just trying to find some up-to-date
information.
BTW, I finished my table last night and am about to build the rudder
stand.
Yepeeeee!!!
Thanks. rog
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Roger, you can also give Jay a call, Behl manufactures Xylene and Zinc
Chromate primers. I'm trying to arrange for Jay to come out to a chapter
meeting as a guest speaker so that my membership and I can learn more
about his Aircraft product line. I have heard good things about this
company and if I can recommend it after the meeting they will be added
to the websites.
Jay Behl
Behl Chemicals Inc.
52 Steeles Ave. East
Milton On, L9T 4X1
Ph: 9058781783 Fa: 9058781767
Toll Free: 18006705656
Email: info@behlchemicals.com
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751
President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter
www.ch601.org
www.ch701.com
www.Osprey2.com
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Jenkins" <pljenkins522@hotmail.com>
Bob,
I'm just venturing a guess here, but I would imagine dropping a flour
bomb intentionally on a group of people doesn't meet the spirit of
"reasonable precaution". Bottom line, though, I lack sufficient information
to make an assessment of that. <grin<>
Paul
>The Arizona pilot and passenger are facing multiple misdemeanor counts for
>the stunt. And the pilot is under FAA investigation.
>==========
>
>OK, so local laws might prohibit it, but why is the pilot under FAA
>investigation?
>
>Bob
>
>
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Fuel Injection Plumbing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Tom--
I'm not an expert on fuel systems,however, you will need a return line
to your tank for a fuel injected system which is probably what the "vent"
on the pump is for. I'm sure others more knowledgable than me will chime
in
George
>From: "Tom Pizzacalla" <tompizza@cogeco.ca>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Injection Plumbing
>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:30:04 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Pizzacalla" <tompizza@cogeco.ca>
>
>I'm looking for help with the plumbing of my fuel injection system using
>the Performance fuel injection system. I'm not sure of the function of
>all the connection like the vent on the fuel pump and the second fitting
>on the fuel distributor. Does anyone know the correct plumbing for all
>this? Thanks
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
Sec. 91.15 Dropping objects.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be
dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or
property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any
object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to
persons or property.
Samm
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . -
Antoine de St-Exupry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Jenkins" <pljenkins522@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Flour Port
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Jenkins"
> <pljenkins522@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I'm just venturing a guess here, but I would imagine dropping a flour
> bomb intentionally on a group of people doesn't meet the spirit of
> "reasonable precaution". Bottom line, though, I lack sufficient
> information
> to make an assessment of that. <grin<>
>
> Paul
>
>>The Arizona pilot and passenger are facing multiple misdemeanor counts for
>>the stunt. And the pilot is under FAA investigation.
>>==========
>>
>>OK, so local laws might prohibit it, but why is the pilot under FAA
>>investigation?
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MORE Re: Flour Port |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
I'm still pondering the idea of two paint gun placements in the wingtips
for strafing runs :-) Wouldn't that be an Eye opener on the Oshkosh
flight line!!
Cdngoose
do not archive -everyone already thinks I'm crazy why provide proof !!
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net>
Sec. 91.15 Dropping objects.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be
dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or
property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any
object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to
persons or property.
Samm
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
-
Antoine de St-Exupry
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" <piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com>
We bought some Avex rivets from Aircraft Spruce with the same part number
(1604-0412) specified in the CH701 Photo
Assembly Guide. However, our initial testing indicates that these don't
have the shear strength provided by those from ZAC. I guess that I was
naive in thinking that an 8-digit part number might provide some
specificity.
Tony Pierce
701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
>
> FYI
>
> I received the Zenair newsletter yesterday and in the "Memo from Chris,"
> he confirmed the Avex rivets are now manufactured in China. In the letter
> they also state: We are in the process of setting up an extra test so that
> we can continue guaranteeing the correct shear strength of the rivets
> Zenair and ZAC supply. For those of you who are building from plans and
> drawings, you may want to order the the rivets from us, or make a few
> tests if you buy the rivets somewhere else. I'll provide you in the next
> newsletter with sketches to make an easy test stand to assure you've got
> the right strenght on the Avex rivets you're using to assemble your
> airplane.
>
> Regards
>
> Clyde Barcus
> CH 601XL builder
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi Listers,
IT has been quite some time since I have mentioned this and we have
since had new builders join this group so I will once again post this
topic. To all 601XL builders, take note that all previous versions of
the 601 series had a center section with winglets and .032 skin in this
area over the Wing Walk. The XL only has .025 skins and with inspection
of the company demonstrator after 2 years of service the wing walk shows
definite signs of deformation. I have therefore decided to add a strip
of .016 under the .025 in just the area covering the wing walks. This is
just a suggestion for all of you to consider. I will post some pictures
of this on www.ch601.org <http://www.ch601.org/> later this weekend.
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751
President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter
www.ch601.org
www.ch701.com
www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
I bought spray Zinc Chromate and use a 6001 respirator from 3M
which is more than adequate for the stuff. Used it throughout my
plane without problems. Bought it by the case from Aircraft Spruce.
Larry McFarland
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Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zinc chromate
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
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> Hey group. I've searched the archives yet need to know if anyone knows
> where
> I might order zinc chromate, brush on, not the spray? For those of you
> that
> have used the spray, what do you think of it. I have a fresh air source
> mask
> system so I'm not concerned about inhalation problems. Is the spray okay
> or
> is it worth it to keep trying to find the brush on kind?
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| Subject: | 601XL Propr problem II |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
Bill,
You are twisting my words here a bit. Never did I say that "ZAC is
completely incorrect" but only told you what Jabiru has published for years
as the "Jabiru way" of attaching the prop. It may be no better or no worse
than what was published by ZAC - just different. Both these manufacturers
have had great success over the years with their own recommended method. I
don't know how many Zeniths are flying but there are over 800 Jabiru
airplanes flying around the world including trainers with over 6,000 hours
on them with the props attached using the Jabiru method. The majority of
these planes are flying in countries where the civil aviation authority
closely monitors any problems and incidents. If the prop bolt method had
been a problem, these CAA's would have forced a fix long ago.
Since you are the manufacturer of your aircraft, it is ultimately your
responsibility to choose an acceptable method to attach the prop.
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr problem II
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Hal, You are incorrect. I am by profession a trial attorney, not an airplane
designer. I have on occasion altered the Zenith design when the common sense
you mentioned alerted me to the need, but not without touching base with
ZAC. I
am not the manufacture, I am the builder. I have interpreted the plans and
photos I purchased from ZAC to assemble the airplane. Each of us has a
different interpretation so our planes look and will perform differently. On
the other
hand, attaching the prop is not design, it is mere physical mechanics and
there should be a best way just as there is a best torque setting for the
bolts
and a best torque sequence pattern. As to "getting on" the folks at ZAC or
Jab,
I think for the money I have spent I, or anybody, should reasonably expect
an
answer concerning a significant difference in there products instructions.
This "No Comment" response I received today is what you should expect from a
politician not from someone I compensated in advance for his knowledge when
I
purchased the plans and kit. Remember? Part of the sales pitch was expert
technical support. Lastly as to liability, having sued some of the largest
insurance
companies in the nation through their clients I believe I understand
liability
and negligence law pretty well. If ZAC or Jabiru believes those simple
forms
we filled out will protect them from all liability they may need some more
advise. Or if you think that we, as builders of their kits, have no
actionable
avenues in case of wrongful death or injury from gross negligence on their
part
then you are mistaken. All that aside, all I want to do is complete the
most
safe airplane possible, and my question to the Thread was 'is there a Best
Way.' I appreciate your indication that you employed the ZAC method. Was
that
before Jab published a totally opposite method? What question would you have
reasonably have asked had you had to decide now, knowing that the engine
producer believes that ZAC is completely incorrect in method? Best regards
and I
remain, Bill of Georgia
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
In a message dated 2/12/2005 4:56:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com writes:
We bought some Avex rivets from Aircraft Spruce with the same part number
(1604-0412) specified in the CH701 Photo
Assembly Guide. However, our initial testing indicates that these don't
have the shear strength provided by those from ZAC. I guess that I was
naive in thinking that an 8-digit part number might provide some
specificity.
Tony Pierce
701
How much difference in shear strength does your testing indicate?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" <piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com>
I don't know the actual force values. We riveted three strips together in a
line, using a ZAC rivet to connect strips A and B, and an AS rivet to
connect strips B and C. Using a car screw-jack, we pulled on the ends of
strips A and C. In two separate tests, the AS rivet failed with no
perceptible deformity in the ZAC rivet. Hopefully, the test jig that is
supposed to be described in the upcoming issue of ZAC newsletter will show
us how to do more accurate testing.
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From: <Ozarkseller2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 2/12/2005 4:56:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com writes:
>
> We bought some Avex rivets from Aircraft Spruce with the same part number
> (1604-0412) specified in the CH701 Photo
> Assembly Guide. However, our initial testing indicates that these don't
> have the shear strength provided by those from ZAC. I guess that I was
> naive in thinking that an 8-digit part number might provide some
> specificity.
> Tony Pierce
> 701
>
>
> How much difference in shear strength does your testing indicate?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
In a message dated 2/12/2005 6:03:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
larrymc@qconline.com writes:
Bought it by the case from Aircraft Spruce
Thanks Larry. Well, this seems to be the easiest route to go. And if I'm
going to order it from ACSpruce, (or anybody for that matter) to save time and
shipping charges, I might as well order as much as I think I'll need to do a
complete 801. How many cans do you think it will take? I live in a very small
town and no one around here has it. (pop. 12,000 for the whole county). So I
have no choice but to order it. I really appreciate your help. rog
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| Subject: | Re: MORE Re: Flour Port |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:24:05 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Audy" <rickaudy@msn.com>
Have you been to Arizona lately? http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050201/D87VEVN00.html<http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050201/D87VEVN00.html>
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From: Cdngoose<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 17:32
Subject: Zenith-List: MORE Re: Flour Port
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca>>
I'm still pondering the idea of two paint gun placements in the wingtips
for strafing runs :-) Wouldn't that be an Eye opener on the Oshkosh
flight line!!
Cdngoose
do not archive -everyone already thinks I'm crazy why provide proof !!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Samm Munn" <heliav8r@swbell.net<mailto:heliav8r@swbell.net>>
Sec. 91.15 Dropping objects.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be
dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or
property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any
object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to
persons or property.
Samm
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . .
-
Antoine de St-Exupry
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