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1. 03:10 AM - Re: 601XL Propr problem II (ABGS)
2. 04:39 AM - Re: 912 muffler needed! (rical26)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: Zinc chromate (Larry McFarland)
4. 07:28 AM - 601XL Propr Problem III (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
5. 07:52 AM - Wieght & Balance question (gpjann@juno.com)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: A (Bill Morelli)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: 601XL Propr Problem III (Pete Krotje)
8. 08:31 AM - Re: 601XL Propr problem II (david alberti)
9. 08:40 AM - Re: Zinc chromate (Monty Graves)
10. 09:23 AM - Re: Wieght & Balance question (Cdngoose)
11. 09:59 AM - Re: Wieght & Balance question (Clive Richards)
12. 10:19 AM - Re: Wieght & Balance question (Randy Stout)
13. 11:04 AM - Weight & Balance (Clyde Barcus)
14. 11:18 AM - Free to fly (Gerald A. Applefeld)
15. 12:35 PM - Re: 601XL Propr Problem III (Larry McFarland)
16. 01:12 PM - Re: Free to fly (Larry McFarland)
17. 01:56 PM - Re: 601XL Propr Problem III (Don Walker)
18. 02:47 PM - CH-701 Wings, rudder, horiz & vert kit with drawings for sale. (jim cantrell)
19. 02:55 PM - Re: 601XL Propr Problem III (Larry McFarland)
20. 03:00 PM - Re: Wieght & Balance question (Jeffrey Glasserow)
21. 03:38 PM - Re: A (cgalley)
22. 07:41 PM - Re: Free to fly (ron dewees)
23. 08:34 PM - Re: 601 XL Prop Problem (Torque the Prop) (Gary Gower)
24. 08:49 PM - Re: 601XL Propr Problem III (Hal Rozema)
25. 09:07 PM - Re: Wing Walk (nhulin)
26. 09:41 PM - Re: Wieght & Balance question (nhulin)
27. 10:58 PM - Transponder install (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Propr problem II |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ABGS" <abgs@impulse.net.au>
Hi all from Australia
As a manufacturer of Aluminium Spinners I have fitted quite a few to Jabirus
here in Australia
To my memory all of the prop bolts have been from front to back
Allan
Cummins Spinners
www.cumminsspinners.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr problem II
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
>
> Bill,
>
> You are twisting my words here a bit. Never did I say that "ZAC is
> completely incorrect" but only told you what Jabiru has published for
> years
> as the "Jabiru way" of attaching the prop. It may be no better or no
> worse
> than what was published by ZAC - just different. Both these manufacturers
> have had great success over the years with their own recommended method.
> I
> don't know how many Zeniths are flying but there are over 800 Jabiru
> airplanes flying around the world including trainers with over 6,000 hours
> on them with the props attached using the Jabiru method. The majority of
> these planes are flying in countries where the civil aviation authority
> closely monitors any problems and incidents. If the prop bolt method had
> been a problem, these CAA's would have forced a fix long ago.
>
> Since you are the manufacturer of your aircraft, it is ultimately your
> responsibility to choose an acceptable method to attach the prop.
>
> Pete Krotje
> Jabiru USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr problem II
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Hal, You are incorrect. I am by profession a trial attorney, not an
> airplane
> designer. I have on occasion altered the Zenith design when the common
> sense
> you mentioned alerted me to the need, but not without touching base with
> ZAC. I
> am not the manufacture, I am the builder. I have interpreted the plans and
> photos I purchased from ZAC to assemble the airplane. Each of us has a
> different interpretation so our planes look and will perform differently.
> On
> the other
> hand, attaching the prop is not design, it is mere physical mechanics and
> there should be a best way just as there is a best torque setting for the
> bolts
> and a best torque sequence pattern. As to "getting on" the folks at ZAC or
> Jab,
> I think for the money I have spent I, or anybody, should reasonably expect
> an
> answer concerning a significant difference in there products instructions.
> This "No Comment" response I received today is what you should expect from
> a
> politician not from someone I compensated in advance for his knowledge
> when
> I
> purchased the plans and kit. Remember? Part of the sales pitch was expert
> technical support. Lastly as to liability, having sued some of the largest
> insurance
> companies in the nation through their clients I believe I understand
> liability
> and negligence law pretty well. If ZAC or Jabiru believes those simple
> forms
> we filled out will protect them from all liability they may need some more
> advise. Or if you think that we, as builders of their kits, have no
> actionable
> avenues in case of wrongful death or injury from gross negligence on their
> part
> then you are mistaken. All that aside, all I want to do is complete the
> most
> safe airplane possible, and my question to the Thread was 'is there a Best
> Way.' I appreciate your indication that you employed the ZAC method. Was
> that
> before Jab published a totally opposite method? What question would you
> have
> reasonably have asked had you had to decide now, knowing that the engine
> producer believes that ZAC is completely incorrect in method? Best regards
> and I
> remain, Bill of Georgia
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 muffler needed! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "rical26" <rical26@rogers.com>
Hi Trevor, just to let you know that I bought a muffler,If I'm not sastified
with my purchase,I'll keep your in mind
regards
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 muffler needed!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> The Zenith muffler is $825 US last time I checked. I have a muffler
> (dual system) that came with my second hand 912 that I decided to not
> use.
> Contact me off-list and I can give you more details. I also have a
> main radiator if anyone is interested. I can provide pictures of both.
>
> Trevor
> 601HD 99% complete
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:08 PM, rical26 wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "rical26" <rical26@rogers.com>
> >
> > Hi, I'm looking for a muffler for my 601 with a rotax 912UL? Any
> > suggestion! used for sale? or anybody knows how much Zenith sales
> > their aftermarket?
> > Regards
> > Richard
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
For an 801, I'd order a case of 12. You might need more if you intend to
coat
all interior surfaces before you close up etc. Don't apply it as a total
cover for
large areas unless you live near the ocean. Spray a cover coat only on the
contact
surfaces you rivet together and those subject to collecting and evaporating
condensate
like ribs, bulkhead flanges and spars etc. On a protective non-covering
coat the aluminum
will still nearly show through.
Best regards,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Do Not Archive - should be added to any comments that are likely to load up
the archives with
discourse that doesn't add measuraby to the content or that has been covered
extensively before.
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zinc chromate
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
> larrymc@qconline.com writes:
>
> Bought it by the case from Aircraft Spruce
>
>
> Thanks Larry. Well, this seems to be the easiest route to go. And if I'm
> going to order it from ACSpruce, (or anybody for that matter) to save time
> and
> shipping charges, I might as well order as much as I think I'll need to do
> a
> complete 801. How many cans do you think it will take? I live in a very
> small
> town and no one around here has it. (pop. 12,000 for the whole county). So
> I
> have no choice but to order it. I really appreciate your help. rog
>
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| Subject: | 601XL Propr Problem III |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread, And to Hal Rozema, It was certainly foolish of me to ask the
questions of ZAC and Jab concerning the prop instructions differences. I simply
must apologize. I have decided that Hal is much more intelligent then myself
and with his three degrees much more capable than I to answer these questions
for ZAC and Jab. Further I simply must apologize to Hal for ever criticizing his
view point or his instructions. Hal, with his three degrees, should be
considered the last word and I will not build without his advise. I encourage all
builders to pay attention to Hal's advise and ask him your questions instead of
ZAC and Jab. Again, Hal I am sorry you were upset and I hope you accept this
apology. Hal, will you please advise us on a problem with the instructions from
Jabiru on the different torque patterns they show in their plans. Under FWF
titled "Fit Prop & Spinner Assy" at paragraph 16. (top of page 3) the
manufacture of the kit indicates the torque sequence is 1,4,2,5,3,6. The following
page
(page 4) indicates the torque sequence as 1,4,6,3,5,2. I would ask Pete or
Nick, but as you Hal have volunteered,, because of your three degrees, to answer
such questions, which pattern is the correct one? Again, Hal I hope this has
not been to taxing of a problem and to make it up to you I will be happy to
translate the Latin for you on your three degrees. Best to you and the whole
Thread, foolishly, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Wieght & Balance question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
A question for anyone who has a Zodiac 601 with Corvair, Lycoming,
Continental, or Subaru engine.
Where should the battery be located for weight and balance?
Thanks, GPJ
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
OK, I stand corrected, it is a conditional inspection for experimentals.
Where in the FAR's does it say that an A&P can perform conditional inspections
or is it just implied because it does not say that an A&P can't perform them?
Thanks,
Bill
Bill Morelli
billvt@together.net
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| Subject: | 601XL Propr Problem III |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
Bill,
Those are the same torque patterns - just a mirror image of the sequence.
The point is to pick a bolt and torque it, then torque the bolt 180 degrees
from that first one. Proceed around the hub either closkwise or counter
clockwise (anti clockwise if you speak Australian) to the other 4 bolts.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr Problem III
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread, And to Hal Rozema, It was certainly foolish of me to ask the
questions of ZAC and Jab concerning the prop instructions differences. I
simply
must apologize. I have decided that Hal is much more intelligent then myself
and with his three degrees much more capable than I to answer these
questions
for ZAC and Jab. Further I simply must apologize to Hal for ever criticizing
his
view point or his instructions. Hal, with his three degrees, should be
considered the last word and I will not build without his advise. I
encourage all
builders to pay attention to Hal's advise and ask him your questions instead
of
ZAC and Jab. Again, Hal I am sorry you were upset and I hope you accept this
apology. Hal, will you please advise us on a problem with the instructions
from
Jabiru on the different torque patterns they show in their plans. Under FWF
titled "Fit Prop & Spinner Assy" at paragraph 16. (top of page 3) the
manufacture of the kit indicates the torque sequence is 1,4,2,5,3,6. The
following page
(page 4) indicates the torque sequence as 1,4,6,3,5,2. I would ask Pete or
Nick, but as you Hal have volunteered,, because of your three degrees, to
answer
such questions, which pattern is the correct one? Again, Hal I hope this has
not been to taxing of a problem and to make it up to you I will be happy to
translate the Latin for you on your three degrees. Best to you and the
whole
Thread, foolishly, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | 601XL Propr problem II |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: david alberti <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
The bottom line to this discussion may be as simple as which way you are going
to safety wire the bolts. Safety wire on the back of the hub could be a real
pain to do correctly. If the bolt heads are not drilled then you tie the nuts.
Just follow the manufactures instructions or the AC43.13 for the best practices.
Pete Krotje <pkrotje@athenet.net> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete
Krotje"
Bill,
You are twisting my words here a bit. Never did I say that "ZAC is
completely incorrect" but only told you what Jabiru has published for years
as the "Jabiru way" of attaching the prop.
Since you are the manufacturer of your aircraft, it is ultimately your
responsibility to choose an acceptable method to attach the prop.
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
You appear to be in a rural agricultural area. If so. Many Farm supply
stores like Orscheln's or Tractor Supply, carrry farm implement paints and
primers.
Our local Orschelns carries zinc chromate primer, in both quarts and
gallons. Its more yellow in color than the traditional green though.....
VanSickle Paints is the brand name and about $6.00 a quart . You may
contact them, and see if they have a retailer in your area. If the price
of ASpruce scares you.
http://www.vansicklepaint.com
>
>
>Thanks Larry. Well, this seems to be the easiest route to go. And if I'm
>going to order it from ACSpruce, (or anybody for that matter) to save time
and
>shipping charges, I might as well order as much as I think I'll need to do
a
>complete 801. How many cans do you think it will take? I live in a very
small
>town and no one around here has it. (pop. 12,000 for the whole county). So
I
>have no choice but to order it. I really appreciate your help. rog
>
>
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| Subject: | Wieght & Balance question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
I'm sure you will find that you may have to add about a 30lb battery to
the tail section. I was just having this conversation yesterday with a
601HD builder. Some points also to consider are if you have a header
tank or Baggage tanks or leading edge. Plus any modifications made to
the bird. But as a rule heavy engines require more rear weight.
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751
President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter
www.ch601.org
www.ch701.com
www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gpjann@juno.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Wieght & Balance question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
A question for anyone who has a Zodiac 601 with Corvair, Lycoming,
Continental, or Subaru engine.
Where should the battery be located for weight and balance?
Thanks, GPJ
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| Subject: | Re: Wieght & Balance question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" <stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
Hi
For Rays 601 HD with cont 0 200 we have worked out from an inital
weigh unpainted externaly it will have to be at the rear of the fuselage
(he is using a 14 lbs gel battery),
but will have to recheck this when he has reduced the weight of his cowl and
anything else he can as the plane is heavy. We will re weigh when he has
painted and reasembled and I will post location.. A weight & balance chart
is avaliable on Zenith web site.
Clive Richards
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <gpjann@juno.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Wieght & Balance question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
>
> A question for anyone who has a Zodiac 601 with Corvair, Lycoming,
> Continental, or Subaru engine.
> Where should the battery be located for weight and balance?
> Thanks, GPJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Wieght & Balance question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
I made a shelf above my feet and mounted the battery there along with my
alititude encoder. It's a bit nose heavy with just me and a full load of
fuel. I have not been able to load the plane to the aft end of the CG
range. When I flew to Dallas, my most aft CG was 373 mm (wife, dog, 20 lbs
of baggage, min fuel) This may or may not work for you as I have a HD with
a custom engine mount that I built. I do not know if my engine is as far
forward as William Wynne's.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: <gpjann@juno.com>
> To: <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/13/05 9:51:28 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Wieght & Balance question
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
>
> A question for anyone who has a Zodiac 601 with Corvair, Lycoming,
> Continental, or Subaru engine.
> Where should the battery be located for weight and balance?
> Thanks, GPJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
I spoke with William Wynne a couple of weeks ago and I ask that question. He said
he placed the battery under the floor of the baggage compartment.
Clyde Barcus
601XL builder
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld" <jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
To the list:
As of this afternoon I have completed the 40 hr phase 1 test flight
period on my Jab 3300 powered 601HD. The plane flies great and is
definitely controllable in all flight phases. Now I can actually go
someplace other than 25 from home base but will wait until warmer
weather as the cabin heat does not work well and get cold feet
(literally). Although I'm mostly a lurker, I appreciate the info I get
from the list.
Happy flying!
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Propr Problem III |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Gentlemen,
It would be nice to see the words Do not archive on all such notes
of cordiallity and discussion that have been covered on this site to
prevent reading such trivia again whilst looking thru the archives.
Thanks
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr Problem III
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Dear Thread, And to Hal Rozema, It was certainly foolish of me to ask the
> questions of ZAC and Jab concerning the prop instructions differences. I
> simply
> must apologize. I have decided that Hal is much more intelligent then
> myself
> and with his three degrees much more capable than I to answer these
> questions
> for ZAC and Jab. Further I simply must apologize to Hal for ever
> criticizing his
> view point or his instructions. Hal, with his three degrees, should be
> considered the last word and I will not build without his advise. I
> encourage all
> builders to pay attention to Hal's advise and ask him your questions
> instead of
> ZAC and Jab. Again, Hal I am sorry you were upset and I hope you accept
> this
> apology. Hal, will you please advise us on a problem with the instructions
> from
> Jabiru on the different torque patterns they show in their plans. Under
> FWF
> titled "Fit Prop & Spinner Assy" at paragraph 16. (top of page 3) the
> manufacture of the kit indicates the torque sequence is 1,4,2,5,3,6. The
> following page
> (page 4) indicates the torque sequence as 1,4,6,3,5,2. I would ask Pete or
> Nick, but as you Hal have volunteered,, because of your three degrees, to
> answer
> such questions, which pattern is the correct one? Again, Hal I hope this
> has
> not been to taxing of a problem and to make it up to you I will be happy
> to
> translate the Latin for you on your three degrees. Best to you and the
> whole
> Thread, foolishly, Bill of Georgia
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Congratulations Jerry,
That 40 hours is a real blast isn't it. It seems the circle gets smaller
the longer you stay there. Your's is the first reported HD with
the Jabaru 3300 I've read. Please advise us on your performance and what
you've
learned about the HD using this engine.
Best regards,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS with Stratus Subaru 50+ hours
Subject: Zenith-List: Free to fly
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld"
> <jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
>
> To the list:
> As of this afternoon I have completed the 40 hr phase 1 test flight
> period on my Jab 3300 powered 601HD. The plane flies great and is
> definitely controllable in all flight phases. Now I can actually go
> someplace other than 25 from home base but will wait until warmer
> weather as the cabin heat does not work well and get cold feet
> (literally). Although I'm mostly a lurker, I appreciate the info I get
> from the list.
> Happy flying!
> Jerry
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Propr Problem III |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:54:49 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
I am impressed with the amount of energy it must take to compact one's mind
into such a small field as to think anyone would be interested in reading such
an egotistic expression of criticism. Can I have the last word, or is there
someone out there more compelled (compulsive) than I about flaunting their neurotic
feelings?
I usually tune in here for the good information, Larry, but sometimes this
place can be pretty comical, doncha think? I'm sorry , Larry, but like Bill,
I don't have anything better to do this afternoon, after three beers, than to
be triggered by the third degree and the typical clever reaction of the average
ego. don
p.s. thanks for writing DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry McFarland<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr Problem III
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>>
Gentlemen,
It would be nice to see the words Do not archive on all such notes
of cordiallity and discussion that have been covered on this site to
prevent reading such trivia again whilst looking thru the archives.
Thanks
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com<mailto:JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr Problem III
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com<mailto:JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
>
> Dear Thread, And to Hal Rozema, It was certainly foolish of me to ask the
> questions of ZAC and Jab concerning the prop instructions differences. I
> simply
> must apologize. I have decided that Hal is much more intelligent then
> myself
> and with his three degrees much more capable than I to answer these
> questions
> for ZAC and Jab. Further I simply must apologize to Hal for ever
> criticizing his
> view point or his instructions. Hal, with his three degrees, should be
> considered the last word and I will not build without his advise. I
> encourage all
> builders to pay attention to Hal's advise and ask him your questions
> instead of
> ZAC and Jab. Again, Hal I am sorry you were upset and I hope you accept
> this
> apology. Hal, will you please advise us on a problem with the instructions
> from
> Jabiru on the different torque patterns they show in their plans. Under
> FWF
> titled "Fit Prop & Spinner Assy" at paragraph 16. (top of page 3) the
> manufacture of the kit indicates the torque sequence is 1,4,2,5,3,6. The
> following page
> (page 4) indicates the torque sequence as 1,4,6,3,5,2. I would ask Pete or
> Nick, but as you Hal have volunteered,, because of your three degrees, to
> answer
> such questions, which pattern is the correct one? Again, Hal I hope this
> has
> not been to taxing of a problem and to make it up to you I will be happy
> to
> translate the Latin for you on your three degrees. Best to you and the
> whole
> Thread, foolishly, Bill of Georgia
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CH-701 Wings, rudder, horiz & vert kit with drawings for |
sale.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: jim cantrell <jcant1@direcway.com>
I have for sale the following for CH-701.
701-DM CH 701 drawings & manuals.
7-tail- CH 701 Tail (horiz & vert) kit (95% assembled)
7-RUD Rudder assembled at the factory workshop.
7-Wing CH 701 Wings Kit.
7-FL-SL CH 701 flaps and slats kit.
7-Fuel CH 701 Fuel systems kit.
Nav/strobe aeroflash light system with tail light and fiberglass rudder mount.
If anyone is interested please e-mail me off list at jcant1@direcway.com and I
will email pictures and details if desired.
Jim Cantrell
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Propr Problem III |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
You're absolutely right Don, these are fun to read once.
I just see a lot of stuff diluting good archive information
that shouldn't be there. Jeff's hammered this point home
a few times too. Compulsive and neurotic is great
stuff for the kind of rainy afternoon we're havin. //////
Larry
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr Problem III
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
>
> I am impressed with the amount of energy it must take to compact one's
> mind into such a small field as to think anyone would be interested in
> reading such an egotistic expression of criticism. Can I have the last
> word, or is there someone out there more compelled (compulsive) than I
> about flaunting their neurotic feelings?
> I usually tune in here for the good information, Larry, but sometimes
> this place can be pretty comical, doncha think? I'm sorry , Larry, but
> like Bill, I don't have anything better to do this afternoon, after three
> beers, than to be triggered by the third degree and the typical clever
> reaction of the average ego. don
>
> p.s. thanks for writing DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry McFarland<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr Problem III
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>>
>
> Gentlemen,
> It would be nice to see the words Do not archive on all such notes
> of cordiallity and discussion that have been covered on this site to
> prevent reading such trivia again whilst looking thru the archives.
> Thanks
>
> Larry McFarland
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com<mailto:JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Propr Problem III
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> JAPhillipsGA@aol.com<mailto:JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
> >
> > Dear Thread, And to Hal Rozema, It was certainly foolish of me to ask
> the
> > questions of ZAC and Jab concerning the prop instructions differences.
> I
> > simply
> > must apologize. I have decided that Hal is much more intelligent then
> > myself
> > and with his three degrees much more capable than I to answer these
> > questions
> > for ZAC and Jab. Further I simply must apologize to Hal for ever
> > criticizing his
> > view point or his instructions. Hal, with his three degrees, should be
> > considered the last word and I will not build without his advise. I
> > encourage all
> > builders to pay attention to Hal's advise and ask him your questions
> > instead of
> > ZAC and Jab. Again, Hal I am sorry you were upset and I hope you accept
> > this
> > apology. Hal, will you please advise us on a problem with the
> instructions
> > from
> > Jabiru on the different torque patterns they show in their plans. Under
> > FWF
> > titled "Fit Prop & Spinner Assy" at paragraph 16. (top of page 3) the
> > manufacture of the kit indicates the torque sequence is 1,4,2,5,3,6.
> The
> > following page
> > (page 4) indicates the torque sequence as 1,4,6,3,5,2. I would ask Pete
> or
> > Nick, but as you Hal have volunteered,, because of your three degrees,
> to
> > answer
> > such questions, which pattern is the correct one? Again, Hal I hope
> this
> > has
> > not been to taxing of a problem and to make it up to you I will be
> happy
> > to
> > translate the Latin for you on your three degrees. Best to you and the
> > whole
> > Thread, foolishly, Bill of Georgia
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wieght & Balance question |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on apophis.email.starband.net
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
I have a CH601 HDS with a Lycoming 0-235 C2C. Battery is located in the
tail.
Jeff Glasserow
CH601 HDS
N6384E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
gpjann@juno.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Wieght & Balance question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
A question for anyone who has a Zodiac 601 with Corvair, Lycoming,
Continental, or Subaru engine.
Where should the battery be located for weight and balance?
Thanks, GPJ
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Many of your questions can be answered by referring to AC 20-27F. There are
also some standing FAA orders that must be followed plus much of the rules
are spelled out in the airplane operating limitations that each Amateur
built plane receives during the final inspection. The details are not in the
FARs. You can also go to the EAA web site... www.eaa.org for more
information.
If you have other questions, please contact me or Joe Norris at
jnorris@eaa.org. I certainly hope that you have gotten the services of a
Technical Counselor to aid you and inspect your project as you are building.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
>
> OK, I stand corrected, it is a conditional inspection for experimentals.
>
> Where in the FAR's does it say that an A&P can perform conditional
inspections or is it just implied because it does not say that an A&P can't
perform them?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
> Bill Morelli
> billvt@together.net
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Jerry,
Let me add my congratulations to you. I really know what you mean about
the limited area of operations as I completed 20.1 hours today on my
Jab/HDS today. I've only been to a couple of other airports as my
confidence in the installation has risen and it's great to see the
friendly folks come out to ask questions. What will your first "real"
trip be? Hope to see you at Sun and Fun.
Enjoy
Ron
N601TD
Gerald A. Applefeld wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld" <jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
>
>To the list:
>As of this afternoon I have completed the 40 hr phase 1 test flight
>period on my Jab 3300 powered 601HD. The plane flies great and is
>definitely controllable in all flight phases. Now I can actually go
>someplace other than 25 from home base but will wait until warmer
>weather as the cabin heat does not work well and get cold feet
>(literally). Although I'm mostly a lurker, I appreciate the info I get
>from the list.
>Happy flying!
>Jerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Prop Problem (Torque the Prop) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Bill,
I dont understand US law system of liability, here is diferent, so no comment
in that...
About prop bolts here is one point of view: I have flown ultralights for more
than 12 years, (the 701 is an ultralight here) all the previous ones I built
and flown were using Rotax 2 cycle and other brands of engines from Europe,
also a couple of VW conversions.
My point is this: Most of the prop instalations in this engines dont use safety
wires, just torque values and sometimes once the bolt was torqued, add a nylon
stop nut for safety... I beguin using safety wire and advise towards it
since I read the Tony Binguilis books several years ago.
Most UL pilots here dont use the safety wire in the prop bolts and I never read
about bolt shear or failure here (or in Europe) with proper retorque mantainance
done. Most manuals and Guru's advise: To retorque at least twice a year
all wood propellers (because of humidity and dry seasons), also at least once
a year the composite ones with aluminum hubs, could be done with the year condition
inspection of the plane, with or without the use of safety wired bolts.
When ever I got an engine without safety wire, I carefully drilled the holes and
safety them, some have followed my advise here. This is done for my own peace
of mind, the idea is this:
If you or anyone in the list feels that adding the safety wire is better, go ahead,
buy the 6 new bolts from Spruce or Wicks, or drill the ones that come with
your engine. But what ever we decide the important part is to retorque the
bolts twice a year, not just preflight the safety wire.
Common sence, proper mantainace and flying experience is the only thing that will
keep us alive in aviation, not sueing to death (remember Airbike?) the Designers
and Kit manufacturers that are willing to share with us the great Spot of
Flying.
Now down from my soap box.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
Guadalajara, Mexico.
We are the Arquitects of our own destiny, and responsible for our acts and mistakes...
Chimely (Police News Reporter in local Radio Station)
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Hello Fellow Threaders, Got a problem with putting the prop on my 3300. I
bought the FWF kit from Jabiru. Looking at the Jab instructions it shows the
prop bolts going from rear to front. No safety wire. On the ZAC instructions for
same engine and prop it shows bolts front to rear with nice safety wires
through the bolt heads. Called Nick at ZAC and surprise ...he had not even seen
the Jabiru instructions for the FWF kit for their airplane! Call me old
fashioned, but wouldn't you think ZAC would be concerned about the instructions
that
effect their airplane? No matter who they sub out to for kits and parts if
the XL bites the dust wouldn't if look bad for ZAC planes and sales in the
future? I faxed the diagram to Nick, he acknowledged the difference, but he would
not comment. Who would expect more from Nick. Called Pete at Jabiru. He did not
seem to know of the difference either, but at least he commented that "that
was always the way Jabiru puts their props on." Course they are from Australia.
I don't really give a dammed which way it goes on, but wouldn't you think
they would have the one "BEST" way? Accepted construction practice for bolts is
"front to back, out-board to in-board" unless restricted by design. Right? So
at least ZAC adheres to that. Anybody got a best way? Bill of Georgia
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Propr Problem III |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
No apology needed Bill.
We are all concerned for your safety.
I won't insult you with the logic of the torquing sequence which makes
them both correct. With your background and language skills it should be
an easy matter for you to figure out. (Why do we all figure out? Isn't
it more logical to sometimes figure in?)
It's been nice Bill.
I'll never get in your six again.
Hal
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Mark,
I spoke to Nick H about this exact issue a couple of years back at SnF or
OSH and he said that the deformation wasn't so much caused by getting in and
out of the plane but due to kneeling on the wing to do maintenance. Given
that N9601Z gets more use (and abuse) in a year than any of ours will in 10
years then the simple solution is to place a thick piece of carpet on the
wing walk whenever you are doing maintenance kneeling on the wing. I could
be wrong but I decided against putting a doubler under the inboard area of
the upper wing skin. Less weight and no opportunity to trap moisture between
the skins.
Just my 2c (plus s+h and tax)
Tailwinds, ...neil
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| Subject: | Re: Wieght & Balance question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 at 10:40:28 -0500, gpjann at juno.com wrote:
<snip>
A question for anyone who has a Zodiac 601 with Corvair, Lycoming,
Continental, or Subaru engine.
Where should the battery be located for weight and balance?
Thanks, GPJ
<snip>
This is cross-posted to the corvaircraft
list and posted here for the archives. ...neil
I spoke to WW about this at OSH or SnF and he has installed the battery
behind the passenger seat behind 6B5-1 and just forward of 6B5-2. I asked
Nick H about fabricating a bracket in that area to hold the battery. You'll
need some 0.040 to make a reinforcing channel between 6B5-1 and 6B5-2. You
can work out an alternative such as a couple of pieces of 0.090 or 0.125
angle if you don't have 0.040. The TD and the trigear must balance in the
same range in order to fly so the gear configuration isn't an issue. When WW
was designing the engine mount, the prop flange was positioned in the same
place as for the Jabiru engine. Since the Corvair is about 32 - 37 pounds
heavier than the Jabiru you won't be putting the battery on the firewall.
Given that the O-235 installation puts the battery back in the tail, then
you know that you will need to plan to put the battery somewhere behind the
seats, most likely either just forward or aft of 6B5-2. Because of the flap
motor, you'll be better to put it on the passenger side.
.neil
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Transponder install |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
So I'm gathering the pieces for my XL's control panel. I went looking for a
Garmin GTX 327 transponder and noticed that a number of sites wouldn't sell
the unit direct. Some want to install it, others say "Dealer Install ONLY
for Certified Aircraft". Can I install my own transponder? Must I use a
certified tech? Or do I simply need to have the FAR 91.413 (transponder) and
91.411 (static system) certifications done every two years?
-- Craig
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