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1. 12:51 AM - Re: XL: Hatch lock and aileron trip (Bryan Martin)
2. 03:21 AM - Re: Yamaha boots (Richard Cottingham)
3. 03:27 AM - Re: Started (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
4. 05:29 AM - Re: Started (ron dewees)
5. 05:29 AM - Re: Started (Rmtnview@aol.com)
6. 06:16 AM - Re: Seat foam (Larry Martin)
7. 06:44 AM - canopy latch (donald mcarthur)
8. 07:13 AM - Re: XL: Hatch lock and aileron trip (Ron Butterfield)
9. 07:13 AM - Re: Seat foam (Randy Stout)
10. 07:30 AM - Plastic protective? (Aaron)
11. 07:33 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
12. 08:13 AM - Skyshops 701 Electric Flaps (Bohannon Larry)
13. 08:14 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (Jack Russell)
14. 08:47 AM - Re: drill bits (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
15. 08:56 AM - Re:Wt & Balance forms and~~ (EMAproducts@aol.com)
16. 09:16 AM - Re: Re:Wt & Balance forms and~~ (Jack Russell)
17. 09:16 AM - Re: Seat foam (Jake Reyna)
18. 10:02 AM - 601HD cruise attitude (George Swinford)
19. 10:56 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (Bryan Martin)
20. 11:15 AM - Re: Wing Walk (Kent Brown)
21. 11:38 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (David Barth)
22. 11:57 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (Paul Riedlinger)
23. 03:48 PM - USA VFR briefing (Grant Corriveau)
24. 03:50 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Aaron)
25. 03:58 PM - Re: USA VFR briefing (Cdngoose)
26. 04:55 PM - Re: USA VFR briefing (Larry McFarland)
27. 05:01 PM - Re: USA VFR briefing (Randy Stout)
28. 05:08 PM - Re: 601HD cruise attitude (Randy Stout)
29. 05:22 PM - Re:baggage door flex (ron dewees)
30. 06:13 PM - Re: Re:baggage door flex (Larry McFarland)
31. 06:32 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Larry Martin)
32. 06:32 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Larry Martin)
33. 06:55 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Paul Riedlinger)
34. 07:05 PM - Re: 601HD cruise attitude ()
35. 07:06 PM - Re: USA VFR briefing (Mike Fothergill)
36. 07:32 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Robert Berube)
37. 08:05 PM - Re: 601HD cruise attitude (David Alberti)
38. 08:27 PM - Re: Seat foam (Alan Lovchik)
39. 11:00 PM - Re: Re: Seat Foam (Brandon Tucker)
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| Subject: | Re: XL: Hatch lock and aileron trip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
If I understood your previous post, the only way to open the canopy from the
outside is to unlock a small access panel and reach inside to turn the
canopy latch and lift it open. I assume you then have to re-lock the access
panel. If the pilot is inside with the canopy closed and knocked unconscious
by the impact, how does someone outside the plane get the canopy open to
rescue the pilot? Can the access panel left unlocked after entry?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield
> <r_butterfield@earthlink.net>
>
> At 02:27 PM 2/15/05, you wrote:
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>>
>> How would a rescuer open your friends canopy if he crashed the plane and was
>> rendered unable to open it himself from the inside?
>
> Uhh, it only locks on the outside? So, if you're in it, it's not locked.
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Yamaha boots |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Cottingham" <mrd@wn.com.au>
try
http://.matronic.com/photoshare/benford2@aol.com.1.03.08.2003/
regards
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Yamaha boots
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> Seems to me that I wrote it down, maybe on the wall, but now I cant find
> it......
> Were these boots from a snow machine?
> And does anybody have the Yamaha part number?
> Thanks,
> Zed
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Rog:
Congratulations ! I fondly remember the first rivet like I remember my
first, oops, never mind....wrong list !! (LOL)!!
Seriously though, just one question - what are you doing for corrosion
protection?
And a comment - please include 'Do Not Archive' on posts that do not need
historical archiving for future generations of Zenith builders....
Again, congratulations !!
Regards,
Tracy
Naugatuck, CT
601XL tail 85% done
do not archive
In a message dated 2/16/2005 12:31:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Rmtnview@aol.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
Finally. I got started tonight. I didn't have much time, but I got the
rudder spar and doublers drilled, deburred, and riveted together. Boy, does
it
feel good to pull that first rivet.
rog
.0000000001% done.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
That's great! Just remember to do something every day on the plane.
One full day and 6 off isn't as productive as 7 days of steady small
stuff. It will add up!
Ron
N601TD
Rmtnview@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
>
>Finally. I got started tonight. I didn't have much time, but I got the
>rudder spar and doublers drilled, deburred, and riveted together. Boy, does it
>feel good to pull that first rivet.
>
>rog
>.0000000001% done.
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
Thanks Tracy and Brandon. When we had our EAA chapter meeting Sunday at the
airport, one of the guys had almost a half quart of zinc chromate that he
wasn't going to use and he gave it to me. So yes, it got treated. That's what
I
like about this list, you can't get by with anything, somebody's going to
catch it. And thanks Tracy for the heads up on Do Not Archive. I forgot in my
excitement.
Rog
Do Not Archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
You can get a 76X80 piece of 2"X76"X80" 5.5 lb memory foam at www.myrest.com
for about $170. That should make 4 or 5 seats. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Seat foam
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Gents,
>
> High Tech Foams quoted me $224+ sh for a 601 seat
> foam package that included enough material in three
> densities to construct the two seats. Anyone know of
> a better (cheaper) place to do business? Good places
> to buy durable upholstery material online?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Tucker
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "donald mcarthur" <eagledon@comcast.net>
am enjoying reading your posts...my name is donald...now live in western Washington...retired
USCG Bosn and Charterboat owner//operator, Hatteras, N.C....thank
you for including me...
building Corvair engine, but no XL parts yet...hopefully later this year...
possibly you can find effective, durable, and pleasantly pleasing asthetics with
marine hardware...BUT...whatever hardware you use, one thing to PLEASE consider
when you add a locking mechanism to the outside of your canopy...
make absolutely certain it cannot engage itself when you are inside the airplane
or you aren't gonna be able to get out !!!
donald
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| Subject: | Re: XL: Hatch lock and aileron trip |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield <r_butterfield@earthlink.net>
At 03:47 AM 2/16/05, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
>If I understood your previous post, the only way to open the canopy from the
>outside is to unlock a small access panel and reach inside to turn the
>canopy latch and lift it open.
Correct
>I assume you then have to re-lock the access panel.
Not correct.
>Can the access panel left unlocked after entry?
There is a spring latch to hold the access door closed when it is not
locked. It is normally only locked when the plane is left unattended.
Regards,
RonB
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Will this work for you?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2669209
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> > High Tech Foams quoted me $224+ sh for a 601 seat
> > foam package that included enough material in three
> > densities to construct the two seats. Anyone know of
> > a better (cheaper) place to do business? Good places
> > to buy durable upholstery material online?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brandon Tucker
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| Subject: | Plastic protective? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Hey all
Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet from aluminum
sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and usually if its
been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have some that is
probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even tried lacquer thinner,
brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid (which takes paint off car
hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that will dissolve this plastic?
I hate to discard good sheet for this reason.
Aaron
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| Subject: | Re: Plastic protective? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Aaron:
Have you tried MEK?
Nasty solvent, but it just might work !!
Tracy
601XL tail 85%
do not archive
In a message dated 2/16/2005 10:31:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
agustafson@chartermi.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Hey all
Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet
from aluminum sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and usually
if its been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have some
that is probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even tried
lacquer thinner, brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid (which takes
paint off car hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that will dissolve this
plastic? I hate to discard good sheet for this reason.
Aaron
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| Subject: | Skyshops 701 Electric Flaps |
0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bohannon Larry" <bohannon54@earthlink.net>
I'm about to start working on the seat pan for my 701. I have been debating whether
or not to install the electric flaps actuator from skyshops. This would let
me lower the seat pan and have more headroom and legroom, at least according
to Skyshops advertisement for the electric flaps. There would be infinite amount
of flap positions as opposed to only 15 degrees on the plans. The cost is
$589.00. Anybody give me their opinions to help me decide to go with the electric
flaps or not?
Larry Bohannon
Winder, Georgia
Bohannon Larry
bohannon54@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Plastic protective? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
aaron: Try a heat gun. Jack
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron"
Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet from aluminum
sheet?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
This maybe a redundant message but in any case...
This supplier has a minimum order I believe of $50. At 50cents a drill
bit that's 100 bits,...I can't for the life of me see any chance of
using this many bits so was wondering if anyone had bought a "boatload"
and wanted to sell some?
I guess I could do the same if anyone wanted to split and order with me?
I was thinking of getting say 75 #40 and 25 #30 (the 40's break more
often.
Anyone interested?
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: drill bits
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Frank--
Check out this link. I ended up paying about .50 cents for #30's &
40's
http://www.advantage-drillbits.com
George
>From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: drill bits
>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:44:43 -0800
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
><frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>RV's come punched with smaller than #40 holes. These are then mostly
>drilled out to #40 for the rivets....The rivets on RV skins are almost
>all AN3 vs the AN4 pop rivets used on zenairs.
>
>WOW...80 cent drill bits?...where.
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Monty
>Graves
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: drill bits
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
>
>Using the #40 drill bit first is pretty much standard in the industry,
>except by Zenith. As well as using the #40 silver clecos before
>redrilling. As Matt says the hole will be a lot neater. I believe the
>RV series come pre drilled with #40 holes.
>
>I also have found a lot of local steel supply yards, also carry drill
>bits
>in bulk. Mine carries numbered bits too, for considerably less than
>the
>air craft supply houses.
>
>#40 are 80 cents per bit without shipping. And they are SUPER sharp...
>And besides that..... its on the way to Lowes... :-)
>
>I am not going to try and sharpen an 80 cent drill bit
>
>Monty
>
>
>At 08:08 PM 2/8/05 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
> >
> I have started using a
> >40 for everything and then redrilling with a 30 or 20. I am much
> >happier with the results.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Matt Archer
> >www.zodiacxl.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Wt & Balance forms and~~ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Builders,
I am very happy to send out the Wt & Bal forms to those of you who need them,
I believe I've sent out about 30 so far. However it does bring something to
light ~~ Evidently none of those requesting own what I call the "Bible for
Homebuilders" Advisory Circular 43.13-1B & 43.13-2A. The current book has 24
pages just on Wt & Bal, complete with examples, how to etc.
The title of this is Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices and
Aircraft Alternations in the combined book, however it is known simply as AC
42.13. This book is about two inches thick and has the "FAA" recommended way of
doing almost everything you need to know for building an aircraft! It covers
Wood, Fiberglass & Plastics, Metal structure welding, brazing, & riveting
constructions methods & repair. Aircraft hardware, covering materials, engines,
props, electrical system, wiring, safety wiring and just tons of other
information. If you are building you will wear one copy out just checking stuff!
I've had the AC 43.13 in my library for years, and get updates every now and
then for reference. If all had it there would be simple answers to many
questions on the list, such as 43.13, Chapt xx says to do it this way.
If it is good enough for certified aircraft it is good for the homebuilts, is
your life any less important just because you are not flying a factory built
airplane??
I purchased my last copy from Jeppesen, however most suppliers sell it.
Always willing to help as much as my schedule permits.
Elbie Mendenhall, the old instructor
EMA Products, LLC
EM Aviation
www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | Re:Wt & Balance forms and~~ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Elbie: Perhaps Mark Townsend at ch601.org could be persuaded to add the forms
to his website for all. How bout it Mark. Thanks. Jack in Clovis cA
do not archive
EMAproducts@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Builders,
I am very happy to send out the Wt & Bal forms to those of you who need them,
I believe I've sent out about 30 so far. However it does bring something to
light ~~ Evidently none of those requesting own what I call the "Bible for
Homebuilders" Advisory Circular 43.13-1B & 43.13-2A. The current book has 24
pages just on Wt & Bal, complete with examples, how to etc.
The title of this is Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices and
Aircraft Alternations in the combined book, however it is known simply as AC
42.13. This book is about two inches thick and has the "FAA" recommended way of
doing almost everything you need to know for building an aircraft! It covers
Wood, Fiberglass & Plastics, Metal structure welding, brazing, & riveting
constructions methods & repair. Aircraft hardware, covering materials, engines,
props, electrical system, wiring, safety wiring and just tons of other
information. If you are building you will wear one copy out just checking stuff!
I've had the AC 43.13 in my library for years, and get updates every now and
then for reference. If all had it there would be simple answers to many
questions on the list, such as 43.13, Chapt xx says to do it this way.
If it is good enough for certified aircraft it is good for the homebuilts, is
your life any less important just because you are not flying a factory built
airplane??
I purchased my last copy from Jeppesen, however most suppliers sell it.
Always willing to help as much as my schedule permits.
Elbie Mendenhall, the old instructor
EMA Products, LLC
EM Aviation
www.riteangle.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
I stumbled across this site http://www.mcmaster.com/ they offer foam in
various thickness, width, length, density. From the main page enter "confor
foam" into the Find search field. From there it takes you through a number
of different screens to select your choice. Looks like you can put together
the layers you would need to build a nice seat.
The other option on this site, from the main page scroll down to the "Raw
Materials and Springs" section and select "Rubber and Foam Rubber" This
takes you to a broad search with many more parameters, including tensile
strength and specifications (FDA, MIL, UL, etc.)
Ron Dewees offered the following suggestions from Aircraft Spruce as an
inexpensive alternative.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/noral_seats.php
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/booster.php
Just completed inventory on my 601XL :-) Building to commence very soon!
Jake
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| Subject: | 601HD cruise attitude |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Hello All:
Can some 601HD flyer advise me as to the pitch attitude of the airplane in the
level cruise condition? I want to determine the fuel quantity markings for my
8 gallon fuselage tank before finishing my instrument panel. It would be most
helpful to know the angle of the cockpit sill in cruising flight so I can put
the fuselage in that attitude as I fill the tank and note the resulting sight
gage indication.
Thanks in advance for any assistance on this.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Plastic protective? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know.
on 2/16/05 10:29 AM, Aaron at agustafson@chartermi.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
>
> Hey all
>
> Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet from
> aluminum sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and usually if
> its been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have some that is
> probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even tried lacquer
> thinner, brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid (which takes paint
> off car hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that will dissolve this
> plastic? I hate to discard good sheet for this reason.
>
> Aaron
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
do not archive.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
I added a curved "L" to the inside of the top skin between the ribs of the
walkway on my HDS. My project isn't yet to the point where I can test the
"improvement" by walking on it yet, though, so I can't tell how it will
work.
Since I am fairly heavy, it seemed like a simple and lightweight way to beef
up the walkway area.
Kent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cdngoose
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:59 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Walk
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
>
> Hi Listers,
> IT has been quite some time since I have mentioned this and we have
> since had new builders join this group so I will once again post this
> topic. To all 601XL builders, take note that all previous versions of
> the 601 series had a center section with winglets and .032 skin in this
> area over the Wing Walk. The XL only has .025 skins and with inspection
> of the company demonstrator after 2 years of service the wing walk shows
> definite signs of deformation. I have therefore decided to add a strip
> of .016 under the .025 in just the area covering the wing walks. This is
> just a suggestion for all of you to consider. I will post some pictures
> of this on www.ch601.org <http://www.ch601.org/> later this weekend.
>
>
> Mark Townsend
> Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751
> President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter
> www.ch601.org
> www.ch701.com
> www.Osprey2.com
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Maybe water with a pressure washer?
Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know.
Do not archive
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" <paulried@rogers.com>
Try a heatgun to loosen it up
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know.
on 2/16/05 10:29 AM, Aaron at agustafson@chartermi.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
>
> Hey all
>
> Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet
from
> aluminum sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and usually
if
> its been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have some
that is
> probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even tried lacquer
> thinner, brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid (which takes
paint
> off car hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that will dissolve this
> plastic? I hate to discard good sheet for this reason.
>
> Aaron
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | USA VFR briefing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
do not archive
So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to somewhere
around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder installed,
so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces.
Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio as a
good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me across
the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone know
what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)...
I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to circumnavigate
the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little
unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows what it
calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down to
the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding
cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that
requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil"
term.
I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts.
One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly an
amateur built into the U.S.A?
Thanks for the feedback!
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Thanks to all.
To my delighted surprise after about 2 hours I came back and the paint
stripper was causing it to blister and after 2 more applications it is
finally clean. That stuff is lots tougher than paint!
Aaron
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| Subject: | USA VFR briefing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Grant , Sorry I can't help you on your post but I would love to buy you
a coffee when you get to Kitchener. When are you dropping in?
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751
President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter
www.ch601.org
www.ch701.com
www.Osprey2.com
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant
Corriveau
Subject: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
do not archive
So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to
somewhere
around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder
installed,
so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces.
Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio
as a
good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me
across
the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone
know
what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)...
I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to
circumnavigate
the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little
unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows
what it
calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down
to
the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding
cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that
requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil"
term.
I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts.
One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly
an
amateur built into the U.S.A?
Thanks for the feedback!
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: USA VFR briefing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Grant,
The type B airspace requirements for most of us is to keep clear 30 miles
from an
airport designated as Type B. The mode C veil extends from the ground to
10,000 ft
on the 30 mile boundary for a type B airport. Mode C is a transponder
reporting a 125 foot altitude
accuracy and position. If you call the airport ATC authority one hour or
earlier before
crossing their airspace, they will often acknowlege you and permit a
restricted flight thru that
airspace,,,,, at a prescribed altitude ,,,or not. You need good I.D. and
your Airworthiness
Certificate in the plane with you. Arriving at US Customs, it would be good
to file a Flight
Plan with the FAA to permit them to assist you in the flight to and from.
The address below
will show you more about what Port Huron airport is and provides info on
airport contacts.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KPHN
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Corriveau" <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> do not archive
>
> So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to
> somewhere
> around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder installed,
> so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces.
>
> Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio as
> a
> good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me across
> the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone
> know
> what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)...
>
> I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to circumnavigate
> the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little
> unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows what
> it
> calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down
> to
> the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding
> cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that
> requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil"
> term.
>
> I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts.
>
> One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly
> an
> amateur built into the U.S.A?
>
> Thanks for the feedback!
>
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
>
>
>
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| Subject: | USA VFR briefing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Are you a member of EAA? You can use Aeroplanner for free with an EAA
membership. Just go to EAA.org and there is a link on the first page. AOPA
has one too, but I like Aeroplanner because it shows it's charts just like
a sectional.
Sandusky and Port Huron areas are class E,
Mode C veil is usually 30 nm from a Class B airport. An altitude reporting
transponder is required even though you may be flying under the class B
airspace.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/16/05 5:46:34 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> do not archive
>
> So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to
somewhere
> around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder installed,
> so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces.
>
> Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio as
a
> good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me across
> the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone
know
> what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)...
>
> I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to circumnavigate
> the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little
> unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows what
it
> calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down
to
> the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding
> cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that
> requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil"
> term.
>
> I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts.
>
> One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly
an
> amateur built into the U.S.A?
>
> Thanks for the feedback!
>
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
>
>
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| Subject: | 601HD cruise attitude |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
I'm not sure how to relate the flying attitude to you. It is slightly tail
high from where it sits on the ground, but not much. Yours may be
different. I think I would mark it with something temporary until you see
how yours flies.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: George Swinford <grs-pms@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/16/05 12:00:13 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD cruise attitude
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
>
> Hello All:
>
> Can some 601HD flyer advise me as to the pitch attitude of the airplane
in the level cruise condition? I want to determine the fuel quantity
markings for my 8 gallon fuselage tank before finishing my instrument
panel. It would be most helpful to know the angle of the cockpit sill in
cruising flight so I can put the fuselage in that attitude as I fill the
tank and note the resulting sight gage indication.
>
> Thanks in advance for any assistance on this.
>
> George
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| Subject: | Re:baggage door flex |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi 601 drivers-- I am now into 23rd hour of phase I and have noticed
from the first flights that the baggage doors are trying to flex at
higher speeds. I already have 5 Dzus fasteners along the edges and
three rows of "L" stiffeners riveted to the bottom side of the lid. I
don't know whether to add more "L" stiffeners closer to the edges of the
lid or scrap the whole lid and go to a thicker piece of metal for the
lid. Anyone else had the problem and found a solution?
Ron
N601 HDS
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| Subject: | Re:baggage door flex |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Ron,
I've got a V within a standard angle perimeter that works really well. No
sign of bulge or movement
at all. You might check out this "underside picture" of the baggage door.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/baggagearea/full/baggage-door-rear.gif
Larry McFarland
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron dewees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re:baggage door flex
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi 601 drivers-- I am now into 23rd hour of phase I and have noticed
> from the first flights that the baggage doors are trying to flex at
> higher speeds. I already have 5 Dzus fasteners along the edges and
> three rows of "L" stiffeners riveted to the bottom side of the lid. I
> don't know whether to add more "L" stiffeners closer to the edges of the
> lid or scrap the whole lid and go to a thicker piece of metal for the
> lid. Anyone else had the problem and found a solution?
> Ron
> N601 HDS
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plastic protective? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Don't use high pressure water or a heat gun, you stand a risk of distorting
you sheet. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Maybe water with a pressure washer?
>
> Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> Working on Wings
> www.ch601.org
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> --
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Acetone will take it off if you will wet a towel and lay the wet towel on
the plastic for a few minutes. I'm sure that will work, but just in case it
doesn't, you can always use paint stripper. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Plastic protective?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
>
> Hey all
>
> Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet
from aluminum sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and
usually if its been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have
some that is probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even
tried lacquer thinner, brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid
(which takes paint off car hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that
will dissolve this plastic? I hate to discard good sheet for this reason.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> --
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| Subject: | Plastic protective? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" <paulried@rogers.com>
Only is you turn up the heat really high. A hair dryer will heat it up
enough to loosen the film without having to get into rubbing things down
with chemicals.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Martin
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Don't use high pressure water or a heat gun, you stand a risk of distorting
you sheet. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Maybe water with a pressure washer?
>
> Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> Working on Wings
> www.ch601.org
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> --
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> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD cruise attitude |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <flyingferret@netscape.com>
I would say the pitch attitude is roughly the same as sitting on the ground (trigear).
I don't know how to give a better descriptin than that.
Greg
--- "George Swinford" grs-pms@comcast.net wrote:
From: "George Swinford" grs-pms@comcast.net
Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD cruise attitude
-- Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" grs-pms@comcast.net
Hello All:
Can some 601HD flyer advise me as to the pitch attitude of the airplane in the
level cruise condition? I want to determine the fuel quantity markings for my
8 gallon fuselage tank before finishing my instrument panel. It would be most
helpful to know the angle of the cockpit sill in cruising flight so I can put
the fuselage in that attitude as I fill the tank and note the resulting sight
gage indication.
Thanks in advance for any assistance on this.
George
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| Subject: | Re: USA VFR briefing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi Grant;
In flying to Mexico, MO which is just to the NW of STL, we crossed at
Port Huron. A slight deviation will take you clear of the Detroit 30
mile circle.
You need to download the form from the FAA about border crossing. There
is a link to it from COPA. Carry a passport. Get your Us Customs sticker
before you go online.
Flight plan the border crossing as well as phone US Customs.
It all works pretty easy actually.
Mike
C-FRND
Grant Corriveau wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> do not archive
>
> So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to somewhere
> around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder installed,
> so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces.
>
> Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio as a
> good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me across
> the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone know
> what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)...
>
> I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to circumnavigate
> the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little
> unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows what it
> calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down to
> the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding
> cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that
> requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil"
> term.
>
> I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts.
>
> One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly an
> amateur built into the U.S.A?
>
> Thanks for the feedback!
>
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| Subject: | Plastic protective? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Adhesive removers used by the laminate industry generally work well but I
have found that Prep Sol (brand name) or any type of cleaners available at
auto paint supply stores works very well. Generally used to clean surfaces
prior to painting.
Do not archive
Bob Berube 701
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Riedlinger
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Plastic protective?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" <paulried@rogers.com>
Only is you turn up the heat really high. A hair dryer will heat it up
enough to loosen the film without having to get into rubbing things down
with chemicals.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Martin
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Don't use high pressure water or a heat gun, you stand a risk of distorting
you sheet. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Maybe water with a pressure washer?
>
> Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know.
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> David Barth
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| Subject: | 601HD cruise attitude |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
I set everything level when the upper longerons at the cabin area are level.
Dave
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <flyingferret@netscape.com>
I would say the pitch attitude is roughly the same as sitting on the ground
(trigear). I don't know how to give a better descriptin than that.
Greg
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alan Lovchik <high_bidr@yahoo.com>
Has anyone actually used this "memory foam" mattress
pad for an aircraft seat? Does it work well for
seating material? What thickness, 3"? This is what I
was planning on using too if it is "proven" to work,
as the price sure is right.
Alan Lovchik
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> Will this work for you?
>
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2669209
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> Randy Stout
> n282rs"at"earthlink.net
> www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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>
> > > High Tech Foams quoted me $224+ sh for a
> 601 seat
> > > foam package that included enough material in
> three
> > > densities to construct the two seats. Anyone
> know of
> > > a better (cheaper) place to do business? Good
> places
> > > to buy durable upholstery material online?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brandon Tucker
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| Subject: | RE: RE: Seat Foam |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
Thanks for all your replies. For those looking
to go the traditional aviation style foam route, for
fire resistant reasons or whatever, Jeff Small
e-mailed me a very nice series of pictures of his
installation. (almost like an installation manual) I
can forward it to anyone interested, or maybe contact
Jeff directly. -Might be a good piece of info for the
601 website if Mark is listening in.
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
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