---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/16/05: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:51 AM - Re: XL: Hatch lock and aileron trip (Bryan Martin) 2. 03:21 AM - Re: Yamaha boots (Richard Cottingham) 3. 03:27 AM - Re: Started (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 4. 05:29 AM - Re: Started (ron dewees) 5. 05:29 AM - Re: Started (Rmtnview@aol.com) 6. 06:16 AM - Re: Seat foam (Larry Martin) 7. 06:44 AM - canopy latch (donald mcarthur) 8. 07:13 AM - Re: XL: Hatch lock and aileron trip (Ron Butterfield) 9. 07:13 AM - Re: Seat foam (Randy Stout) 10. 07:30 AM - Plastic protective? (Aaron) 11. 07:33 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 12. 08:13 AM - Skyshops 701 Electric Flaps (Bohannon Larry) 13. 08:14 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (Jack Russell) 14. 08:47 AM - Re: drill bits (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 15. 08:56 AM - Re:Wt & Balance forms and~~ (EMAproducts@aol.com) 16. 09:16 AM - Re: Re:Wt & Balance forms and~~ (Jack Russell) 17. 09:16 AM - Re: Seat foam (Jake Reyna) 18. 10:02 AM - 601HD cruise attitude (George Swinford) 19. 10:56 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (Bryan Martin) 20. 11:15 AM - Re: Wing Walk (Kent Brown) 21. 11:38 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (David Barth) 22. 11:57 AM - Re: Plastic protective? (Paul Riedlinger) 23. 03:48 PM - USA VFR briefing (Grant Corriveau) 24. 03:50 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Aaron) 25. 03:58 PM - Re: USA VFR briefing (Cdngoose) 26. 04:55 PM - Re: USA VFR briefing (Larry McFarland) 27. 05:01 PM - Re: USA VFR briefing (Randy Stout) 28. 05:08 PM - Re: 601HD cruise attitude (Randy Stout) 29. 05:22 PM - Re:baggage door flex (ron dewees) 30. 06:13 PM - Re: Re:baggage door flex (Larry McFarland) 31. 06:32 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Larry Martin) 32. 06:32 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Larry Martin) 33. 06:55 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Paul Riedlinger) 34. 07:05 PM - Re: 601HD cruise attitude () 35. 07:06 PM - Re: USA VFR briefing (Mike Fothergill) 36. 07:32 PM - Re: Plastic protective? (Robert Berube) 37. 08:05 PM - Re: 601HD cruise attitude (David Alberti) 38. 08:27 PM - Re: Seat foam (Alan Lovchik) 39. 11:00 PM - Re: Re: Seat Foam (Brandon Tucker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL: Hatch lock and aileron trip From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin If I understood your previous post, the only way to open the canopy from the outside is to unlock a small access panel and reach inside to turn the canopy latch and lift it open. I assume you then have to re-lock the access panel. If the pilot is inside with the canopy closed and knocked unconscious by the impact, how does someone outside the plane get the canopy open to rescue the pilot? Can the access panel left unlocked after entry? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield > > > At 02:27 PM 2/15/05, you wrote: >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin >> >> How would a rescuer open your friends canopy if he crashed the plane and was >> rendered unable to open it himself from the inside? > > Uhh, it only locks on the outside? So, if you're in it, it's not locked. > > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:35 AM PST US From: "Richard Cottingham" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Yamaha boots --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Cottingham" try http://.matronic.com/photoshare/benford2@aol.com.1.03.08.2003/ regards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zed Smith" Subject: Zenith-List: Yamaha boots > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith > > Seems to me that I wrote it down, maybe on the wall, but now I cant find > it...... > Were these boots from a snow machine? > And does anybody have the Yamaha part number? > Thanks, > Zed > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:46 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Started --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Rog: Congratulations ! I fondly remember the first rivet like I remember my first, oops, never mind....wrong list !! (LOL)!! Seriously though, just one question - what are you doing for corrosion protection? And a comment - please include 'Do Not Archive' on posts that do not need historical archiving for future generations of Zenith builders.... Again, congratulations !! Regards, Tracy Naugatuck, CT 601XL tail 85% done do not archive In a message dated 2/16/2005 12:31:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, Rmtnview@aol.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com Finally. I got started tonight. I didn't have much time, but I got the rudder spar and doublers drilled, deburred, and riveted together. Boy, does it feel good to pull that first rivet. rog .0000000001% done. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:03 AM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Started --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees That's great! Just remember to do something every day on the plane. One full day and 6 off isn't as productive as 7 days of steady small stuff. It will add up! Ron N601TD Rmtnview@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com > >Finally. I got started tonight. I didn't have much time, but I got the >rudder spar and doublers drilled, deburred, and riveted together. Boy, does it >feel good to pull that first rivet. > >rog >.0000000001% done. > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:03 AM PST US From: Rmtnview@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Started --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com Thanks Tracy and Brandon. When we had our EAA chapter meeting Sunday at the airport, one of the guys had almost a half quart of zinc chromate that he wasn't going to use and he gave it to me. So yes, it got treated. That's what I like about this list, you can't get by with anything, somebody's going to catch it. And thanks Tracy for the heads up on Do Not Archive. I forgot in my excitement. Rog Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:24 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat foam --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" You can get a 76X80 piece of 2"X76"X80" 5.5 lb memory foam at www.myrest.com for about $170. That should make 4 or 5 seats. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Tucker" Subject: Zenith-List: Seat foam > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker > > Gents, > > High Tech Foams quoted me $224+ sh for a 601 seat > foam package that included enough material in three > densities to construct the two seats. Anyone know of > a better (cheaper) place to do business? Good places > to buy durable upholstery material online? > > Thanks, > > Brandon Tucker > > > __________________________________ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:16 AM PST US From: "donald mcarthur" Subject: Zenith-List: canopy latch --> Zenith-List message posted by: "donald mcarthur" am enjoying reading your posts...my name is donald...now live in western Washington...retired USCG Bosn and Charterboat owner//operator, Hatteras, N.C....thank you for including me... building Corvair engine, but no XL parts yet...hopefully later this year... possibly you can find effective, durable, and pleasantly pleasing asthetics with marine hardware...BUT...whatever hardware you use, one thing to PLEASE consider when you add a locking mechanism to the outside of your canopy... make absolutely certain it cannot engage itself when you are inside the airplane or you aren't gonna be able to get out !!! donald ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:21 AM PST US From: Ron Butterfield Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL: Hatch lock and aileron trip --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield At 03:47 AM 2/16/05, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > >If I understood your previous post, the only way to open the canopy from the >outside is to unlock a small access panel and reach inside to turn the >canopy latch and lift it open. Correct >I assume you then have to re-lock the access panel. Not correct. >Can the access panel left unlocked after entry? There is a spring latch to hold the access door closed when it is not locked. It is normally only locked when the plane is left unattended. Regards, RonB ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:24 AM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat foam --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" Will this work for you? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2669209 Randy Stout n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > > High Tech Foams quoted me $224+ sh for a 601 seat > > foam package that included enough material in three > > densities to construct the two seats. Anyone know of > > a better (cheaper) place to do business? Good places > > to buy durable upholstery material online? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brandon Tucker ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:58 AM PST US From: "Aaron" Subject: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" Hey all Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet from aluminum sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and usually if its been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have some that is probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even tried lacquer thinner, brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid (which takes paint off car hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that will dissolve this plastic? I hate to discard good sheet for this reason. Aaron ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:50 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Aaron: Have you tried MEK? Nasty solvent, but it just might work !! Tracy 601XL tail 85% do not archive In a message dated 2/16/2005 10:31:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, agustafson@chartermi.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" Hey all Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet from aluminum sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and usually if its been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have some that is probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even tried lacquer thinner, brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid (which takes paint off car hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that will dissolve this plastic? I hate to discard good sheet for this reason. Aaron ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:24 AM PST US From: "Bohannon Larry" Subject: Zenith-List: Skyshops 701 Electric Flaps 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bohannon Larry" I'm about to start working on the seat pan for my 701. I have been debating whether or not to install the electric flaps actuator from skyshops. This would let me lower the seat pan and have more headroom and legroom, at least according to Skyshops advertisement for the electric flaps. There would be infinite amount of flap positions as opposed to only 15 degrees on the plans. The cost is $589.00. Anybody give me their opinions to help me decide to go with the electric flaps or not? Larry Bohannon Winder, Georgia Bohannon Larry bohannon54@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:26 AM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell aaron: Try a heat gun. Jack --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet from aluminum sheet? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: drill bits From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" This maybe a redundant message but in any case... This supplier has a minimum order I believe of $50. At 50cents a drill bit that's 100 bits,...I can't for the life of me see any chance of using this many bits so was wondering if anyone had bought a "boatload" and wanted to sell some? I guess I could do the same if anyone wanted to split and order with me? I was thinking of getting say 75 #40 and 25 #30 (the 40's break more often. Anyone interested? Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: drill bits --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" Frank-- Check out this link. I ended up paying about .50 cents for #30's & 40's http://www.advantage-drillbits.com George >From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: drill bits >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:44:43 -0800 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > >RV's come punched with smaller than #40 holes. These are then mostly >drilled out to #40 for the rivets....The rivets on RV skins are almost >all AN3 vs the AN4 pop rivets used on zenairs. > >WOW...80 cent drill bits?...where. > >Frank > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Monty >Graves >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: drill bits > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > >Using the #40 drill bit first is pretty much standard in the industry, >except by Zenith. As well as using the #40 silver clecos before >redrilling. As Matt says the hole will be a lot neater. I believe the >RV series come pre drilled with #40 holes. > >I also have found a lot of local steel supply yards, also carry drill >bits >in bulk. Mine carries numbered bits too, for considerably less than >the >air craft supply houses. > >#40 are 80 cents per bit without shipping. And they are SUPER sharp... >And besides that..... its on the way to Lowes... :-) > >I am not going to try and sharpen an 80 cent drill bit > >Monty > > >At 08:08 PM 2/8/05 -0600, you wrote: > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" > > > I have started using a > >40 for everything and then redrilling with a 30 or 20. I am much > >happier with the results. > > > >Cheers > > > >Matt Archer > >www.zodiacxl.com > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:18 AM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Wt & Balance forms and~~ --> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com Builders, I am very happy to send out the Wt & Bal forms to those of you who need them, I believe I've sent out about 30 so far. However it does bring something to light ~~ Evidently none of those requesting own what I call the "Bible for Homebuilders" Advisory Circular 43.13-1B & 43.13-2A. The current book has 24 pages just on Wt & Bal, complete with examples, how to etc. The title of this is Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices and Aircraft Alternations in the combined book, however it is known simply as AC 42.13. This book is about two inches thick and has the "FAA" recommended way of doing almost everything you need to know for building an aircraft! It covers Wood, Fiberglass & Plastics, Metal structure welding, brazing, & riveting constructions methods & repair. Aircraft hardware, covering materials, engines, props, electrical system, wiring, safety wiring and just tons of other information. If you are building you will wear one copy out just checking stuff! I've had the AC 43.13 in my library for years, and get updates every now and then for reference. If all had it there would be simple answers to many questions on the list, such as 43.13, Chapt xx says to do it this way. If it is good enough for certified aircraft it is good for the homebuilts, is your life any less important just because you are not flying a factory built airplane?? I purchased my last copy from Jeppesen, however most suppliers sell it. Always willing to help as much as my schedule permits. Elbie Mendenhall, the old instructor EMA Products, LLC EM Aviation www.riteangle.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:36 AM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:Wt & Balance forms and~~ --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell Elbie: Perhaps Mark Townsend at ch601.org could be persuaded to add the forms to his website for all. How bout it Mark. Thanks. Jack in Clovis cA do not archive EMAproducts@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com Builders, I am very happy to send out the Wt & Bal forms to those of you who need them, I believe I've sent out about 30 so far. However it does bring something to light ~~ Evidently none of those requesting own what I call the "Bible for Homebuilders" Advisory Circular 43.13-1B & 43.13-2A. The current book has 24 pages just on Wt & Bal, complete with examples, how to etc. The title of this is Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices and Aircraft Alternations in the combined book, however it is known simply as AC 42.13. This book is about two inches thick and has the "FAA" recommended way of doing almost everything you need to know for building an aircraft! It covers Wood, Fiberglass & Plastics, Metal structure welding, brazing, & riveting constructions methods & repair. Aircraft hardware, covering materials, engines, props, electrical system, wiring, safety wiring and just tons of other information. If you are building you will wear one copy out just checking stuff! I've had the AC 43.13 in my library for years, and get updates every now and then for reference. If all had it there would be simple answers to many questions on the list, such as 43.13, Chapt xx says to do it this way. If it is good enough for certified aircraft it is good for the homebuilts, is your life any less important just because you are not flying a factory built airplane?? I purchased my last copy from Jeppesen, however most suppliers sell it. Always willing to help as much as my schedule permits. Elbie Mendenhall, the old instructor EMA Products, LLC EM Aviation www.riteangle.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:36 AM PST US From: "Jake Reyna" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Seat foam --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" I stumbled across this site http://www.mcmaster.com/ they offer foam in various thickness, width, length, density. From the main page enter "confor foam" into the Find search field. From there it takes you through a number of different screens to select your choice. Looks like you can put together the layers you would need to build a nice seat. The other option on this site, from the main page scroll down to the "Raw Materials and Springs" section and select "Rubber and Foam Rubber" This takes you to a broad search with many more parameters, including tensile strength and specifications (FDA, MIL, UL, etc.) Ron Dewees offered the following suggestions from Aircraft Spruce as an inexpensive alternative. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/noral_seats.php http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/booster.php Just completed inventory on my 601XL :-) Building to commence very soon! Jake ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:05 AM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD cruise attitude --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" Hello All: Can some 601HD flyer advise me as to the pitch attitude of the airplane in the level cruise condition? I want to determine the fuel quantity markings for my 8 gallon fuselage tank before finishing my instrument panel. It would be most helpful to know the angle of the cockpit sill in cruising flight so I can put the fuselage in that attitude as I fill the tank and note the resulting sight gage indication. Thanks in advance for any assistance on this. George ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know. on 2/16/05 10:29 AM, Aaron at agustafson@chartermi.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" > > Hey all > > Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet from > aluminum sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and usually if > its been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have some that is > probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even tried lacquer > thinner, brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid (which takes paint > off car hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that will dissolve this > plastic? I hate to discard good sheet for this reason. > > Aaron > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:54 AM PST US From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wing Walk --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" I added a curved "L" to the inside of the top skin between the ribs of the walkway on my HDS. My project isn't yet to the point where I can test the "improvement" by walking on it yet, though, so I can't tell how it will work. Since I am fairly heavy, it seemed like a simple and lightweight way to beef up the walkway area. Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cdngoose > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:59 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Walk > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > > Hi Listers, > IT has been quite some time since I have mentioned this and we have > since had new builders join this group so I will once again post this > topic. To all 601XL builders, take note that all previous versions of > the 601 series had a center section with winglets and .032 skin in this > area over the Wing Walk. The XL only has .025 skins and with inspection > of the company demonstrator after 2 years of service the wing walk shows > definite signs of deformation. I have therefore decided to add a strip > of .016 under the .025 in just the area covering the wing walks. This is > just a suggestion for all of you to consider. I will post some pictures > of this on www.ch601.org later this weekend. > > > Mark Townsend > Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751 > President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter > www.ch601.org > www.ch701.com > www.Osprey2.com > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:29 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Maybe water with a pressure washer? Bryan Martin wrote: Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know. Do not archive David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:59 AM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" Try a heatgun to loosen it up Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know. on 2/16/05 10:29 AM, Aaron at agustafson@chartermi.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" > > Hey all > > Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet from > aluminum sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and usually if > its been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have some that is > probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even tried lacquer > thinner, brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid (which takes paint > off car hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that will dissolve this > plastic? I hate to discard good sheet for this reason. > > Aaron > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau do not archive So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to somewhere around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder installed, so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces. Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio as a good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me across the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone know what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)... I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to circumnavigate the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows what it calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down to the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil" term. I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts. One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly an amateur built into the U.S.A? Thanks for the feedback! -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:00 PM PST US From: "Aaron" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" Thanks to all. To my delighted surprise after about 2 hours I came back and the paint stripper was causing it to blister and after 2 more applications it is finally clean. That stuff is lots tougher than paint! Aaron do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:36 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Grant , Sorry I can't help you on your post but I would love to buy you a coffee when you get to Kitchener. When are you dropping in? Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751 President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter www.ch601.org www.ch701.com www.Osprey2.com do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Corriveau Subject: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau do not archive So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to somewhere around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder installed, so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces. Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio as a good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me across the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone know what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)... I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to circumnavigate the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows what it calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down to the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil" term. I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts. One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly an amateur built into the U.S.A? Thanks for the feedback! -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:11 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Grant, The type B airspace requirements for most of us is to keep clear 30 miles from an airport designated as Type B. The mode C veil extends from the ground to 10,000 ft on the 30 mile boundary for a type B airport. Mode C is a transponder reporting a 125 foot altitude accuracy and position. If you call the airport ATC authority one hour or earlier before crossing their airspace, they will often acknowlege you and permit a restricted flight thru that airspace,,,,, at a prescribed altitude ,,,or not. You need good I.D. and your Airworthiness Certificate in the plane with you. Arriving at US Customs, it would be good to file a Flight Plan with the FAA to permit them to assist you in the flight to and from. The address below will show you more about what Port Huron airport is and provides info on airport contacts. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KPHN Larry McFarland Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Corriveau" Subject: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > do not archive > > So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to > somewhere > around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder installed, > so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces. > > Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio as > a > good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me across > the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone > know > what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)... > > I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to circumnavigate > the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little > unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows what > it > calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down > to > the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding > cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that > requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil" > term. > > I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts. > > One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly > an > amateur built into the U.S.A? > > Thanks for the feedback! > > -- > Grant Corriveau > C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:57 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" Are you a member of EAA? You can use Aeroplanner for free with an EAA membership. Just go to EAA.org and there is a link on the first page. AOPA has one too, but I like Aeroplanner because it shows it's charts just like a sectional. Sandusky and Port Huron areas are class E, Mode C veil is usually 30 nm from a Class B airport. An altitude reporting transponder is required even though you may be flying under the class B airspace. Randy Stout n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > [Original Message] > From: Grant Corriveau > To: > Date: 2/16/05 5:46:34 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > do not archive > > So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to somewhere > around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder installed, > so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces. > > Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio as a > good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me across > the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone know > what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)... > > I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to circumnavigate > the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little > unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows what it > calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down to > the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding > cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that > requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil" > term. > > I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts. > > One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly an > amateur built into the U.S.A? > > Thanks for the feedback! > > -- > Grant Corriveau > C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:04 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601HD cruise attitude --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" I'm not sure how to relate the flying attitude to you. It is slightly tail high from where it sits on the ground, but not much. Yours may be different. I think I would mark it with something temporary until you see how yours flies. Randy Stout n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > [Original Message] > From: George Swinford > To: > Date: 2/16/05 12:00:13 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD cruise attitude > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" > > Hello All: > > Can some 601HD flyer advise me as to the pitch attitude of the airplane in the level cruise condition? I want to determine the fuel quantity markings for my 8 gallon fuselage tank before finishing my instrument panel. It would be most helpful to know the angle of the cockpit sill in cruising flight so I can put the fuselage in that attitude as I fill the tank and note the resulting sight gage indication. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance on this. > > George ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:25 PM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Zenith-List: Re:baggage door flex --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Hi 601 drivers-- I am now into 23rd hour of phase I and have noticed from the first flights that the baggage doors are trying to flex at higher speeds. I already have 5 Dzus fasteners along the edges and three rows of "L" stiffeners riveted to the bottom side of the lid. I don't know whether to add more "L" stiffeners closer to the edges of the lid or scrap the whole lid and go to a thicker piece of metal for the lid. Anyone else had the problem and found a solution? Ron N601 HDS ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:46 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:baggage door flex --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Ron, I've got a V within a standard angle perimeter that works really well. No sign of bulge or movement at all. You might check out this "underside picture" of the baggage door. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/baggagearea/full/baggage-door-rear.gif Larry McFarland ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron dewees" Subject: Zenith-List: Re:baggage door flex > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > > Hi 601 drivers-- I am now into 23rd hour of phase I and have noticed > from the first flights that the baggage doors are trying to flex at > higher speeds. I already have 5 Dzus fasteners along the edges and > three rows of "L" stiffeners riveted to the bottom side of the lid. I > don't know whether to add more "L" stiffeners closer to the edges of the > lid or scrap the whole lid and go to a thicker piece of metal for the > lid. Anyone else had the problem and found a solution? > Ron > N601 HDS > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:40 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Don't use high pressure water or a heat gun, you stand a risk of distorting you sheet. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barth" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > > Maybe water with a pressure washer? > > Bryan Martin wrote: > > Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know. > > Do not archive > > > David Barth > 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? > Working on Wings > www.ch601.org > > --------------------------------- > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:40 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Acetone will take it off if you will wet a towel and lay the wet towel on the plastic for a few minutes. I'm sure that will work, but just in case it doesn't, you can always use paint stripper. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron" Subject: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" > > Hey all > > Does anyone know of a way or solvent to remove stubborn protective sheet from aluminum sheet? I know that when its fresh it comes off easily and usually if its been sitting for a while a little heat helps lots, but I have some that is probably 6 or 7 years old and will not come off1 I've even tried lacquer thinner, brake clean, paint stripper and auto brake fluid (which takes paint off car hoods) all to no avail. Is there anything that will dissolve this plastic? I hate to discard good sheet for this reason. > > Aaron > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:12 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" Only is you turn up the heat really high. A hair dryer will heat it up enough to loosen the film without having to get into rubbing things down with chemicals. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Don't use high pressure water or a heat gun, you stand a risk of distorting you sheet. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barth" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > > Maybe water with a pressure washer? > > Bryan Martin wrote: > > Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know. > > Do not archive > > > David Barth > 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? > Working on Wings > www.ch601.org > > --------------------------------- > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:28 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HD cruise attitude --> Zenith-List message posted by: I would say the pitch attitude is roughly the same as sitting on the ground (trigear). I don't know how to give a better descriptin than that. Greg --- "George Swinford" grs-pms@comcast.net wrote: From: "George Swinford" grs-pms@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD cruise attitude -- Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" grs-pms@comcast.net Hello All: Can some 601HD flyer advise me as to the pitch attitude of the airplane in the level cruise condition? I want to determine the fuel quantity markings for my 8 gallon fuselage tank before finishing my instrument panel. It would be most helpful to know the angle of the cockpit sill in cruising flight so I can put the fuselage in that attitude as I fill the tank and note the resulting sight gage indication. Thanks in advance for any assistance on this. George Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:22 PM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: USA VFR briefing --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Hi Grant; In flying to Mexico, MO which is just to the NW of STL, we crossed at Port Huron. A slight deviation will take you clear of the Detroit 30 mile circle. You need to download the form from the FAA about border crossing. There is a link to it from COPA. Carry a passport. Get your Us Customs sticker before you go online. Flight plan the border crossing as well as phone US Customs. It all works pretty easy actually. Mike C-FRND Grant Corriveau wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > do not archive > > So, I'm planning to fly Art Mitchel's 601 from the Guelph area to somewhere > around STL. The aircraft apparently doesn't have a transponder installed, > so I'll be needing to stay out of the appropriate airspaces. > > Anyone got any good pointers on the route? Art suggests Sandusky Ohio as a > good cutoms crossing point into the U.S... But that would take me across > the west end of Lake Erie. I was wondering about Port Huron... anyone know > what type of airspace they're in? (I don't have the charts here)... > > I've doing some route planning with the gps. I'll have to circumnavigate > the Cleveland and Detroit airspaces for sure. The thing I'm a little > unclear on wrt to transpoder, etc... the Garmin Pilot III unit shows what it > calls "Mode C veil" areas around these large airports that go right down to > the surface. Yet, inside of this, the Type B airspace "inverted wedding > cakes" are also indicated (i.e. where I can stay below the airspace that > requires a transponder). So I'm a little confused by the "mode C veil" > term. > > I'm sure all this will be clearer when I've got the actual VNC charts. > > One more question -- what documents will I need to carry on board to fly an > amateur built into the U.S.A? > > Thanks for the feedback! > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:24 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Adhesive removers used by the laminate industry generally work well but I have found that Prep Sol (brand name) or any type of cleaners available at auto paint supply stores works very well. Generally used to clean surfaces prior to painting. Do not archive Bob Berube 701 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Riedlinger Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" Only is you turn up the heat really high. A hair dryer will heat it up enough to loosen the film without having to get into rubbing things down with chemicals. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Don't use high pressure water or a heat gun, you stand a risk of distorting you sheet. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barth" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plastic protective? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > > Maybe water with a pressure washer? > > Bryan Martin wrote: > > Have you tried water? If not, give it a shot, you never know. > > Do not archive > > > David Barth > 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? > Working on Wings > www.ch601.org > > --------------------------------- > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:25 PM PST US From: "David Alberti" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601HD cruise attitude --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" I set everything level when the upper longerons at the cabin area are level. Dave --> Zenith-List message posted by: I would say the pitch attitude is roughly the same as sitting on the ground (trigear). I don't know how to give a better descriptin than that. Greg ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:59 PM PST US From: Alan Lovchik Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat foam --> Zenith-List message posted by: Alan Lovchik Has anyone actually used this "memory foam" mattress pad for an aircraft seat? Does it work well for seating material? What thickness, 3"? This is what I was planning on using too if it is "proven" to work, as the price sure is right. Alan Lovchik do not archive --- Randy Stout wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" > > > Will this work for you? > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2669209 > > Randy Stout > n282rs"at"earthlink.net > www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > > > > > High Tech Foams quoted me $224+ sh for a > 601 seat > > > foam package that included enough material in > three > > > densities to construct the two seats. Anyone > know of > > > a better (cheaper) place to do business? Good > places > > > to buy durable upholstery material online? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Brandon Tucker __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:18 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: RE: Seat Foam --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Gents, Thanks for all your replies. For those looking to go the traditional aviation style foam route, for fire resistant reasons or whatever, Jeff Small e-mailed me a very nice series of pictures of his installation. (almost like an installation manual) I can forward it to anyone interested, or maybe contact Jeff directly. -Might be a good piece of info for the 601 website if Mark is listening in. Respectfully, Brandon Tucker Do not archive __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo