---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/18/05: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:00 AM - Re: 801 Rudder light (Bryan Martin) 2. 01:04 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Seat Foam....Skyshop] (Bryan Martin) 3. 03:57 AM - Re: Re:baggage door flex (Thilo Kind) 4. 05:55 AM - Re: USA briefing (Grant Corriveau) 5. 06:00 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Seat Foam....Skyshop] (Larry Martin) 6. 06:40 AM - Belly luggage Pod (Larry Martin) 7. 06:40 AM - PegaDoors (Larry Martin) 8. 08:10 AM - Sea Plane Airstrips (Beckman, Rick) 9. 08:32 AM - Re: Sea Plane Airstrips (Chip W. Erwin) 10. 08:42 AM - Re: Sea Plane Airstrips (Ron Butterfield) 11. 08:44 AM - sea plane Airstrips (Gordon) 12. 08:45 AM - sea planes (Stephen Johnston) 13. 09:08 AM - 601 HD Brake/Rudder Pedal Layout (Clive Richards) 14. 09:17 AM - Electric Flap...Zn Chromate in Canada (Bima, Martin) 15. 10:38 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Seat Foam....Skyshop] (Bryan Martin) 16. 10:45 AM - Re: 601 HD Brake/Rudder Pedal Layout (Larry McFarland) 17. 11:13 AM - Rudder light 601 (Brandon Tucker) 18. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Re: Seat Foam (Lance Gingell) 19. 12:12 PM - Re: Rudder light 601 (Larry McFarland) 20. 12:28 PM - Used Zodiacs (Brian Clark) 21. 04:39 PM - Instrument Panel Lighting (george may) 22. 04:57 PM - Re: 601 HD Brake/Rudder Pedal Layout (Tim & Diane Shankland) 23. 05:59 PM - Re: Used Zodiacs (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 24. 08:56 PM - Re: Used Zodiacs (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 25. 10:04 PM - 701 jury struts (Tebenkof@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 Rudder light From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin The flange on the fiberglass mounting that I received with my kit was so rough looking that I decided to install it with the flange inside the rudder so only the bulge of the housing shows, the aluminum is cut to just clear the bulge all around. It made for a very neat looking job. Of course this sort of installation is only possible before the skin is riveted closed. If you plan on installing the housing with the flange on the outside, you can complete the rudder now and make the cutout for the light later. The big advantage of AN931-4-7 wire is that if it shorts out it doesn't burn and give off toxic smoke. If you are installing wire outside of the cabin area, this feature isn't as important so any good quality wire will do. As I recall the light kit I received from ZAC came with about 50 feet of 16 gauge aircraft wire. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com > > I've got all the parts drilled, deburred, assembled, and clecoed for the > rudder skeleton. And then disassembled and readied for cleaning and zinc > chromating. Then I'm ready to final assembly and cover with skins. I haven't > ordered > the light kit from ZAC yet. I'm looking at the online assembly drawing > 8RU-03. > Question: Is the dimension shown for the light cutout good for a safe cut? > 135 + 50 X 70 ? Or should I just order the light kit, wait for it to get here, > > Rog > Do not archive -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Zenith-List: Seat Foam....Skyshop] From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin I had no trouble putting all three layers in mine. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Skyshop > > > Alan, > > Tempur foam is a nice option, it adds comfort for longer flights. The > only problem is the 701 and 601 seats are not thick enough to use all > three layers (different densities) of Tempur foam so we usually only use > one medium density layer. This seems to be the best compromise for the > thickness of the seat bottom. Although we don't sell foam kits we think -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:15 AM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:baggage door flex --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Larry, interesting. My baggage doors are also re-inforced, but they still bulge in flight. Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:baggage door flex > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > Ron, > I've got a V within a standard angle perimeter that works really well. No > sign of bulge or movement > at all. You might check out this "underside picture" of the baggage door. > > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/baggagearea/full/baggage-door-rear.gi f > > Larry McFarland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ron dewees" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Re:baggage door flex > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > > > > Hi 601 drivers-- I am now into 23rd hour of phase I and have noticed > > from the first flights that the baggage doors are trying to flex at > > higher speeds. I already have 5 Dzus fasteners along the edges and > > three rows of "L" stiffeners riveted to the bottom side of the lid. I > > don't know whether to add more "L" stiffeners closer to the edges of the > > lid or scrap the whole lid and go to a thicker piece of metal for the > > lid. Anyone else had the problem and found a solution? > > Ron > > N601 HDS > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:21 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: USA briefing From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Thanks to the many who offered help! I'll post something later on to let you know how the trip turns out. fyi, I discovered a very good article online from eaa regarding mode C and the exemptions for certain aircraft/situations: http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/articles/ I also discovered some useful checklists and an entire manual related to border crossing Can/USA prepared by AOPA/COPA. I appreciate also having your personal insights and experience wrt Sandusky and PHN. All the best Grant ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:50 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Zenith-List: Seat Foam....Skyshop] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" You must be one of them short Martins. Larry N1345L Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Martin" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Zenith-List: Seat Foam....Skyshop] > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > > I had no trouble putting all three layers in mine. > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Skyshop > > > > > > Alan, > > > > Tempur foam is a nice option, it adds comfort for longer flights. The > > only problem is the 701 and 601 seats are not thick enough to use all > > three layers (different densities) of Tempur foam so we usually only use > > one medium density layer. This seems to be the best compromise for the > > thickness of the seat bottom. Although we don't sell foam kits we think > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > In Phase I testing. > do not archive. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:37 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Zenith-List: Belly luggage Pod 0.44 FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS Outlook can't send HTML in this format --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" I have been toying with the idea of building a 701/801 fiberglass belly storage pod. It would be aerodynamic, big enough to carry several soft bags/sleeping bags, etc. I don't need one myself, but since several people have seen my P-51 style belly pod on my 701, they have expressed interest in a storage pod. However, building an original pod to use for a plug, then making a mold of it is a fairly large and expensive project, especially if I don't need one. And to make just one or two finished pods would not be worth it either. I would like input from the list for the following; How much interest is there/what demand? What's it worth/what is a fair price? Design ideas? There used to be an aluminum one on the market, it was on the Zenith site. It is no longer made. If anyone knows the story of this one and how much it sold for, I'd be interested. Thanks, Larry N1345L My Site www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:37 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Zenith-List: PegaDoors 0.44 FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS Outlook can't send HTML in this format --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" I added another page to my site which might interest some of you. It is www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/pegadoors.html. Larry N1345L My Site www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:42 AM PST US From: "Beckman, Rick" Subject: Zenith-List: Sea Plane Airstrips --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" Mornin' Gents (and ladies that may be lurking), I need some information to quiet my curiosity. I've entertained the idea of floats on The Bird, an XL. My problem is this: I cannot seem to find any info on whether or not a person can land this thing just any old where. I looked into the Conservation's archives, to no avail. I looked at the State Police archives, also, to no avail. Does anyone have insight as to where to look for regulations on this? I'll be happy with any and all info I get! I live in MO if that might help. Thanks, Rick Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:29 AM PST US From: "Chip W. Erwin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sea Plane Airstrips --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin" Go to www.seaplanes.org In the USA you are lucky to have many thousands of lakes, rivers, and places to fly seaplanes than most of the rest of the world. Generally, unless specifically prohibited, you can land nearly anywhere. The Seaplane association has a directory available. Cheers, CHIP Chip W. Erwin CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS LUCNI 1824 686 02 STARE MESTO, CZECH REPUBLIC TEL: +420 572 543 456 FAX: +420 572 543 692 USA FAX: 772-264-0936 Mobile: +420 602 342 717 E-MAIL: AIRCRAFT@CZAW.CZ WWW.AIRPLANE.CZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beckman, Rick Subject: Zenith-List: Sea Plane Airstrips --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" Mornin' Gents (and ladies that may be lurking), I need some information to quiet my curiosity. I've entertained the idea of floats on The Bird, an XL. My problem is this: I cannot seem to find any info on whether or not a person can land this thing just any old where. I looked into the Conservation's archives, to no avail. I looked at the State Police archives, also, to no avail. Does anyone have insight as to where to look for regulations on this? I'll be happy with any and all info I get! I live in MO if that might help. Thanks, Rick ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:33 AM PST US From: Ron Butterfield Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sea Plane Airstrips --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield At 11:30 AM 2/18/05, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin" > >Go to www.seaplanes.org They also sent me to ~100 mB of FAA regulations on sea/ski regulations at: http://av-info.faa.gov/srchAdvancedResults.asp?SearchFor=*&cmdSubmit=Search&SearchUsing=filename&ResultsPerPage=10&SortResults=date&SortDirection=%5Bd%5D&DateRange=-100y&DateStart=mm%2Fdd%2Fyyyy&DateEnd=mm%2Fdd%2Fyyyy&Category=traininghandbook same link: http://tinyurl.com/3kzgk Regards, RonB ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:16 AM PST US From: "Gordon" Subject: Zenith-List: sea plane Airstrips --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" Rick, Check out http://www.seaplanes.org/index.htm ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:00 AM PST US From: "Stephen Johnston" Subject: Zenith-List: sea planes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen Johnston" http://www.seaplanes.org/ This is the national voice for sea planes here in the USA. Steve Johnston ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:00 AM PST US From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD Brake/Rudder Pedal Layout --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" Hi list can some of you that are flying comment Clive Richards for Ray Lasnier > Re Ray Lasniers 601HD 1998 Kit > He has built the rudder/brake pedals to > the drawing with the parts supplied with the kit. ie Matco Cylinders mounted on pedals, > but his inspector has sat in the plane for > the first time and is not happy > with the lay out. He is not happy > that the rudder can be used without > braking . He suggests a rubber block on the bottom rudder bar may help ?. Do not archive G CBDG cont 0 200 engine run for first time ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:09 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Electric Flap...Zn Chromate in Canada From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" I will be using 3 window crank motors for flap, elev trim and aileron trim. The little gear motors pack some powerful torque but they spin a little too fast for me. I will be coupling them to an ACME screw and nut for even more torque and better control. Check Canadian Tire for Zn-Chromate. Standard stock item in the spray bomb can. They do have another Aluminum Primer that is not ZN-Chromate so take care reading the label. $6.99 Martin STOL-Vair www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Zenith-List: Seat Foam....Skyshop] From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin 5' 8", not short, not tall, just right. :) > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > You must be one of them short Martins. Larry N1345L Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Martin" > To: "Zenith List" > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Zenith-List: Seat Foam....Skyshop] > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin >> >> I had no trouble putting all three layers in mine. >> >> >>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Skyshop >>> >>> >>> Alan, >>> >>> Tempur foam is a nice option, it adds comfort for longer flights. The >>> only problem is the 701 and 601 seats are not thick enough to use all >>> three layers (different densities) of Tempur foam so we usually only use >>> one medium density layer. This seems to be the best compromise for the >>> thickness of the seat bottom. Although we don't sell foam kits we think -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:57 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HD Brake/Rudder Pedal Layout --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Clive, I've been using my HDS, same arrangement far as I know, and it's possible to brake, or steer independant of each other which would be essential to perform the functions any other aircraft does. If his concerns are about getting brakes when you only wanted to steer during taxiiing, he might have a point. One has to have tennis shoes on or some flexible footware to learn the sensitivities of getting one or the other, but it's definitely up to someone that'd not wear insulated boots when flying. Realizing it's colder up there, this might be his issue, but blocks would in this case make it worse. Larry McFarland - 601HDS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Richards" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD Brake/Rudder Pedal Layout > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" > > > Hi list can some of you that are flying comment > > Clive Richards for Ray Lasnier > >> Re Ray Lasniers 601HD 1998 Kit >> He has built the rudder/brake pedals to >> the drawing with the parts supplied with > the kit. > ie Matco Cylinders mounted on pedals, >> but his inspector has sat in the plane for >> the first time and is not happy >> with the lay out. He is not happy >> that the rudder can be used without >> braking . > He suggests a rubber block on the bottom > rudder bar may help ?. > > Do not archive > > G CBDG cont 0 200 engine run for first time > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:43 AM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder light 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Gents, Can someone provide a part number for the tail light, and the connector. I bought the wrong one from acs, and it is too big for the very expensive and poorly made fiberglass cone. Thanks, Brandon Tucker __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:37 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: RE: Seat Foam From: "Lance Gingell" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" Ron, do you have any pictures of your 'booster' cushions as seats in your airplane? I was thinking about doing this also. I have a booster cushion thing from ACS, but I'm not at seat-pan stage in my fuse yet. ..lance DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron dewees Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: RE: Seat Foam --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees I can't help but jump in on the seat foam discussion as I was there about a year ago. I bought foams thru Ebay, a local upholsterer, and scraps at Sun and Fun. I got quotes from the upholsterer, cut foam, wasted foam, and had extra foam. On an unrelated trip to Aircraft Spruce and Specialty, which is only about 30 miles from Atlanta, I saw some nice padded seat cushions ( hinged bottom and back) for about $55 bucks. They look a bit like they were used for "booster" seats to put in Cessnas or Pipers. There is a variety of lengths , colors and thicknesses. They are FAA approved material for fire rating and back and bottom cushion zip open completely at the ends so you can play with foam density and height.They even have a neat logo with an airplane on it! I bought two of them and took the 2 inch, single density foam pad out of the back and bottom and replaced them with the now-familiar one inch thick pink and blue memory foam pads. You can even add a bit of extra padding to the lumbar area of the seat back. I can reach in, pull the whole cushion out and add a 1# pad to boost the cushion up for a short pilot, or just let the seat rest on the seat pan. I have no additional foam or padding on the seats with this setup and only cut a couple of small blocks of "regular" cheap open cell foam to cover the odd triangular area near the outside seatbelt attachment. The seats are simple, cheap, and light. My plane came out at 605# with vacuum panel. The foam pads that fit the seat cushions are the size you get for $19 to $22 from Wickes and others. I think that's about 18X20 inches. I stuffed the bottom with two densities of foam-- Blue on the bottom and Green on top and it's more than enough padding for my 180# butt and 2 hour flights. I wish I had seen the cushions earlier as I estimate that I spent nearly $400 for materials and was about to go to an upholsterer and pay another $200 per seat for installation. Another suggestion I have is to do some experimentation before you permanently rivet your seat panel across the "v" of the seat bottom. I am 6 feet tall and followed the diagram of the seat pan curving almost on the floor of the plane until I realized that I would have to add about 3" extra foam to get me up to a height that I could see over the instrument panel. Rather than do that I stretched the seat pan almost as tight as I could get it across the "v" seat bottom. It prevented my having a large piece of strangely shaped foam from being necessary and saved money and weight. It's also comfortable enough for my 6'2" test pilot friend to fly by just removing my ACS seat and sitting on the pan. If you are6"3" or so you are on your own so put the pan wherever you need it. Just a few observations that might help make your life simpler. I can always go with more custom interior, but you can't go the other way if you have lots of space to fill up. I don't have the link to ACS for the cushions but somebody saved it in an earlier post on the subject. Ron N601TD 24.3 hours and LOVING it! Jeffrey J Paris wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris" >--> > > >Hi Brandon, > >I would like a copy of those instructions. > >Thx, > >Jeff Paris CH601XL Jab3300 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:44 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder light 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Brandon, I used the Grimes Model C, Aircraft Spruce p/n 11-07200. Model S p/n A-2064 is half the price of the C. Don't know if there is a great difference in the form/fit/function tho. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/taillight.gif Larry McFarland - 601HDS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Tucker" Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder light 601 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker > > Gents, > > Can someone provide a part number for the tail > light, and the connector. I bought the wrong one from > acs, and it is too big for the very expensive and > poorly made fiberglass cone. > > Thanks, > > Brandon Tucker > > > > __________________________________ > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:43 PM PST US From: Brian Clark Subject: Zenith-List: Used Zodiacs --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brian Clark For an upcoming article, I'm looking for pilots who've purchased a used Zenith Zodiac (CH,601, 601 HDS, XL) from a builder. By "used" I mean complete, flying airplanes, not partially built kits. Specifically, the topic is particular items of importance to look at on these airplanes if you're considering purchase of a used one. An example: On Airplane X, most builders had trouble with the landing gear assembly, so that's something to check carefully for quality of work. If you have specific suggestions based on your experience or things you found after purchasing the aircraft, please reply with e-mail address and/or phone number. Thanks... Brian Clark --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:00 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" For anyone interested in a possible solution for panel lighting for night flying, check out the use of Cold Cathode lights. I just received an order I recently placed for some. It has two 6 inch lamps, inverter, interconnect cabling, and an on/off switch. All for $12.95 plus shipping. The color is a little more pink than the red we are use to, but I think it will work fine. It gives plenty of light. You can do a Google on cold cathode and get lots of sites. I purchased mine from www.elwirecheap.com Just a thought--- George May 601XL Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:20 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HD Brake/Rudder Pedal Layout --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland When I flew a 601 up in Canada, the instructor told me to just put my toes on the rudder pedals when we landed so as not to get on the brakes. I then realized that the pedals were too short. I added 1 1/2/ inch to the height of the pedals so that the ball of my foot would be at the pivot point of the pedal. That next year at Osh. at the builders dinner I compared my foot (size 12) with that of Chris Heintz and found out why the pedal are so small. Tim shankland Larry McFarland wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > >Clive, >I've been using my HDS, same arrangement far as I know, and it's possible to >brake, or steer >independant of each other which would be essential to perform the functions >any >other aircraft does. If his concerns are about getting brakes when you only >wanted to steer >during taxiiing, he might have a point. One has to have tennis shoes on or >some flexible footware >to learn the sensitivities of getting one or the other, but it's definitely >up to someone that'd not wear insulated boots when flying. Realizing it's >colder up there, this might be his issue, but blocks would >in this case make it worse. > >Larry McFarland - 601HDS > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Clive Richards" >To: "zenith-list" >Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD Brake/Rudder Pedal Layout > > > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" >> >> >>Hi list can some of you that are flying comment >> >>Clive Richards for Ray Lasnier >> >> >> >>>Re Ray Lasniers 601HD 1998 Kit >>>He has built the rudder/brake pedals to >>>the drawing with the parts supplied with >>> >>> >>the kit. >>ie Matco Cylinders mounted on pedals, >> >> >>>but his inspector has sat in the plane for >>>the first time and is not happy >>>with the lay out. He is not happy >>>that the rudder can be used without >>>braking . >>> >>> >>He suggests a rubber block on the bottom >>rudder bar may help ?. >> >>Do not archive >> >>G CBDG cont 0 200 engine run for first time >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:23 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Used Zodiacs --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Brian: VERY interesting question. I don't think there will be a critical mass of units sold used to give quality statistically-accurate data. One of the reasons I am building is because of the lack of used units available. These Zeniths are not typically found used all that often...that told me a Zenith builder becomes a happy owner. Nevertheless, I hope you find the data you're looking for. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601XL tail 85% do not archive In a message dated 2/18/2005 8:53:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, kpeditorial@yahoo.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brian Clark For an upcoming article, I'm looking for pilots who've purchased a used Zenith Zodiac (CH,601, 601 HDS, XL) from a builder. By "used" I mean complete, flying airplanes, not partially built kits. Specifically, the topic is particular items of importance to look at on these airplanes if you're considering purchase of a used one. An example: On Airplane X, most builders had trouble with the landing gear assembly, so that's something to check carefully for quality of work. If you have specific suggestions based on your experience or things you found after purchasing the aircraft, please reply with e-mail address and/or phone number. Thanks... Brian Clark --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Used Zodiacs From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" And you could buy mine and find out for yourself...:) Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Used Zodiacs --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Brian: VERY interesting question. I don't think there will be a critical mass of units sold used to give quality statistically-accurate data. One of the reasons I am building is because of the lack of used units available. These Zeniths are not typically found used all that often...that told me a Zenith builder becomes a happy owner. Nevertheless, I hope you find the data you're looking for. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601XL tail 85% do not archive In a message dated 2/18/2005 8:53:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, kpeditorial@yahoo.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brian Clark For an upcoming article, I'm looking for pilots who've purchased a used Zenith Zodiac (CH,601, 601 HDS, XL) from a builder. By "used" I mean complete, flying airplanes, not partially built kits. Specifically, the topic is particular items of importance to look at on these airplanes if you're considering purchase of a used one. An example: On Airplane X, most builders had trouble with the landing gear assembly, so that's something to check carefully for quality of work. If you have specific suggestions based on your experience or things you found after purchasing the aircraft, please reply with e-mail address and/or phone number. Thanks... Brian Clark --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:34 PM PST US From: Tebenkof@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 jury struts --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com Anyone with wings on your 701 (or maybe 801 also), I am a bit confused about the proper method for installing jury strut caps and shaping the ends of the 6061 tubes used as jury struts on the 701. On the plans it appears the ends of the tubes are partially flattened, as in a vice, to fit the .25" caps, and to fit inside the jury strut brackets. Before I start crushing things I would like to know if I am interpreting this correctly. Or does anyone have a better idea of how to do this? Once again, thank you in advance. And thank goodness for the list. Jim Greenough 701 Portland, OR