---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/19/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Lighting (Bill Steer) 2. 06:11 AM - Belly Luggage Pod (Phil Raker) 3. 10:41 AM - Re: Belly Luggage Pod (Larry McFarland) 4. 11:41 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Lighting (Hal Rozema) 5. 12:45 PM - Sun-N-Fun (Cdngoose) 6. 01:18 PM - manual (Mike H) 7. 02:02 PM - Re: manual (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 8. 02:40 PM - 701 jury struts (RURUNY@aol.com) 9. 02:51 PM - Re: manual (RURUNY@aol.com) 10. 04:17 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Lighting (Woody Sulloway) 11. 10:23 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Lighting (Tebenkof@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:06 AM PST US From: "Bill Steer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" Also see the Jim Weir's column in the February issue of Kitplanes magazine, where he talks of two lighting systems for this purpose. Like the ones George mentions, they're unbelieveably cheap! Bill > For anyone interested in a possible solution for panel lighting for night > flying, > check out the use of Cold Cathode lights. I just received an order I > recently placed > for some. It has two 6 inch lamps, inverter, interconnect cabling, and an > on/off > switch. All for $12.95 plus shipping. The color is a little more pink than > the > red we are use to, but I think it will work fine. It gives plenty of light. > You can do a Google on cold cathode and get lots of sites. I purchased > mine > from www.elwirecheap.com > Just a thought--- > > George May > 601XL ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:18 AM PST US From: Phil Raker Subject: Zenith-List: Belly Luggage Pod --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker Hello, Larry, I also have been wondering about how best to accomplish some extra baggage capacity. I had thought about the idea of buying a car-top pod from Yakima Racks or some other like that and mounting it upside down on the belly. I don't really like that idea. They're fairly heavy and not that aerodynamically clean. Also the seals are designed to work when right-side-up; I think they'd trap dirt & water that would go inside when you open the pod. I remember seeing a picture of a pod on a 701 a long time ago, but not recently. I also remember seeing one on a Titan Tornado. I have no idea what such a pod should cost, but I'd be interested if it wasn't too outrageous. It would be good if anything you (or someone else) design could be adaptable to either 701/801 or 601 series planes. Any such pod should be water tight so those sleeping bags don't get wet while flying through rain showers. I had also thought of using a belly-mounted auxiliary fuel tank, sort of like a drop tank. It could be either a "conformal pod" type or a "bomb" shape. Then the sleeping bags would go in the wing baggage lockers. Does anyone on the list know where I can get such a tank of about 15 gallons (or less) capacity? It could be either metal or plastic. Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed > > From: "Larry Martin" > Subject: Zenith-List: Belly luggage Pod > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > I have been toying with the idea of building a 701/801 fiberglass belly > storage pod. It would be aerodynamic, big enough to carry several soft > bags/sleeping bags, etc. > > How much interest is there/what demand? > What's it worth/what is a fair price? > Design ideas? > > There used to be an aluminum one on the market, it was on the Zenith site. > It is no longer made. If anyone knows the story of this one and how much it > sold for, I'd be interested. Thanks, > Larry N1345L > __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:25 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Belly Luggage Pod --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Phil, I've got leading edge tanks and a header that total 26-gallons or nearly 6 hrs at 110 soft cruise. There's room for sleeping bags and a pop-tent behind the seats, as they represent more cubic than weight. The rest of the space in the luggage lockers and the upper rear hatch are enough for any long trip if it's packaged carefully. The problem with a pod below the plane is that it would interfere with the radiator and the transponder antenna and place a heavy penalty in airspeed and drag. The Caravan's belly pod works for a large single that has enough excess horsepower to pull it, but still the pod represents a lot of frontal area. If you need the fuel, I'd consider adding a header tank or leading edge tanks, whichever is missing in your plane. Neither are very hard to do. Then the baggage thing resolves itself without taking such a divergent course. Larry McFarland - 601HDS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Raker" Subject: Zenith-List: Belly Luggage Pod > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker > > Hello, Larry, > I also have been wondering about how best to accomplish some extra > baggage > capacity. I had thought about the idea of buying a car-top pod from > Yakima > Racks or some other like that and mounting it upside down on the belly. I > don't really like that idea. They're fairly heavy and not that > aerodynamically > clean. Also the seals are designed to work when right-side-up; I think > they'd > trap dirt & water that would go inside when you open the pod. > I remember seeing a picture of a pod on a 701 a long time ago, but not > recently. I also remember seeing one on a Titan Tornado. > I have no idea what such a pod should cost, but I'd be interested if > it > wasn't too outrageous. > It would be good if anything you (or someone else) design could be > adaptable to either 701/801 or 601 series planes. Any such pod should be > water > tight so those sleeping bags don't get wet while flying through rain > showers. > > I had also thought of using a belly-mounted auxiliary fuel tank, sort > of > like a drop tank. It could be either a "conformal pod" type or a "bomb" > shape. > Then the sleeping bags would go in the wing baggage lockers. Does anyone > on > the list know where I can get such a tank of about 15 gallons (or less) > capacity? It could be either metal or plastic. > > Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed > > >> >> From: "Larry Martin" >> Subject: Zenith-List: Belly luggage Pod >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" >> >> I have been toying with the idea of building a 701/801 fiberglass belly >> storage pod. It would be aerodynamic, big enough to carry several soft >> bags/sleeping bags, etc. >> >> How much interest is there/what demand? >> What's it worth/what is a fair price? >> Design ideas? >> >> There used to be an aluminum one on the market, it was on the Zenith >> site. >> It is no longer made. If anyone knows the story of this one and how much >> it >> sold for, I'd be interested. Thanks, >> Larry N1345L >> > > > __________________________________ > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:47 AM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema I am using a strip of red electro luminescant tape under the eyelid above my instrument panel. I don't have the source here at home, but it was from an automotive aftermarket company. Works slick. If a dimmer is needed any variable resister from Radio Shack can be put in series in the supply. You can see the red tape in one of my instrument panel photos plus the tiny transformer module on the back side of the panel held in place by a plastic tie around a bolt. see http://theplanefolks.net/gallery/album15?page=3 Look around the site. Excuse the mess on the rest of the site. I'm trying to get my Zenith 701 to the inspection point. Hal Rozema ThePlaneFolks.Net N701PF Bill Steer wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" > >Also see the Jim Weir's column in the February issue of Kitplanes magazine, >where he talks of two lighting systems for this purpose. Like the ones >George mentions, they're unbelieveably cheap! > >Bill > > > > >>For anyone interested in a possible solution for panel lighting for night >>flying, >>check out the use of Cold Cathode lights. I just received an order I >>recently placed >>for some. It has two 6 inch lamps, inverter, interconnect cabling, and an >>on/off >>switch. All for $12.95 plus shipping. The color is a little more pink >> >> >than > > >>the >>red we are use to, but I think it will work fine. It gives plenty of >> >> >light. > > >> You can do a Google on cold cathode and get lots of sites. I purchased >>mine >>from www.elwirecheap.com >>Just a thought--- >> >>George May >>601XL >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:43 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> For all those attending Sun-N-Fun this April Please go to www.ch601.org or www.ch701.com for a small questionnaire called SUN-N-FUN BBQ FORM with the information gathered from this form we should be able to arrange a meeting of all builders/flyers/ interested parties of the Zenith aircraft. You do not have to attend the BBQ if you don't wish to as we are going to try and arrange a mid day meeting of builders as well. But if you wish to attend the BBQ then by all means we'll be happy to meet all those faces we read letters from. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L, Osprey 2 serial # 751 President RAA Kitchener/Waterloo Chapter www.ch601.org www.ch701.com www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:25 PM PST US From: "Mike H" Subject: Zenith-List: manual --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" what format is the manual in (on the cd-rom)? Ordering the manual and tail next week and trying to work out a way to view the manual in the garagw withount printing out each page. Will it work on a DVD progressive scanner connected to tv. Thanks Michael ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:37 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: manual --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Michael: The photos on the CD are .jpg I hope one of the more web-savvy builders read your question, but, as I see it, bring your PC to the workshop and have at it !! Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601XL tail 86% do not archive In a message dated 2/19/2005 4:19:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, mhilderbrand@cox.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" what format is the manual in (on the cd-rom)? Ordering the manual and tail next week and trying to work out a way to view the manual in the garagw withount printing out each page. Will it work on a DVD progressive scanner connected to tv. Thanks Michael ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:11 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 jury struts --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com > I'm a bit confused about the proper method for installing jury strut caps > and shaping the ends of the 6061 tubes used as jury struts on the 701. Jim, Gee, I don't know why you would be confused about fitting a square into a circle?!! I can tell you that if you try to hammer that piece into the tube, the tube will not magically take the shape of a square. This I found out the hard way and felt pretty stupid when I was finished. I did this early on and it taught me pretty much not to apply too much force in getting any intended result of parts fitting together. That said, I am curious also as to the final shape of the square and the tube when final fit occurs. Is the square more rounded than the round tube squared. I will have to do this for real in the spring. It is best that you waited. I bet just about every builder of a 701 has messed at least one jury strut and cap up. I guess thats wishfull thinking on my part. Brian _http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/_ (http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:09 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: manual --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com All Zenith manuals are in PDF format, and are easily printable. You need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader available at Adobe.com. Brian ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:48 PM PST US From: Woody Sulloway Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Woody Sulloway Hal, Looks great, So where did you get the tape and transformer? Regards woody Hal Rozema wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema > >I am using a strip of red electro luminescant tape under the eyelid >above my instrument panel. I don't have the source here at home, but it >was from an automotive aftermarket company. Works slick. If a dimmer >is needed any variable resister from Radio Shack can be put in series in >the supply. > >You can see the red tape in one of my instrument panel photos plus the >tiny transformer module on the back side of the panel held in place by a >plastic tie around a bolt. see >http://theplanefolks.net/gallery/album15?page=3 > >Look around the site. Excuse the mess on the rest of the site. I'm >trying to get my Zenith 701 to the inspection point. > >Hal Rozema >ThePlaneFolks.Net >N701PF > > >Bill Steer wrote: > > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" >> >>Also see the Jim Weir's column in the February issue of Kitplanes magazine, >>where he talks of two lighting systems for this purpose. Like the ones >>George mentions, they're unbelieveably cheap! >> >>Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>For anyone interested in a possible solution for panel lighting for night >>>flying, >>>check out the use of Cold Cathode lights. I just received an order I >>>recently placed >>>for some. It has two 6 inch lamps, inverter, interconnect cabling, and an >>>on/off >>>switch. All for $12.95 plus shipping. The color is a little more pink >>> >>> >>> >>> >>than >> >> >> >> >>>the >>>red we are use to, but I think it will work fine. It gives plenty of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>light. >> >> >> >> >>> You can do a Google on cold cathode and get lots of sites. I purchased >>>mine >>> >>> >>>from www.elwirecheap.com >> >> >>>Just a thought--- >>> >>>George May >>>601XL >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:09 PM PST US From: Tebenkof@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com Hal, I second that question. That luminescent tape looks like a great idea. A source would be nice, if you have it handy. Jim Greenough 701 Portland OR DO NOT ARCHIVE