---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/23/05: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:24 AM - Flap motor draw? (Craig Payne) 2. 05:28 AM - TEST (P.H. Raker) 3. 06:36 AM - (charles.long@gm.com) 4. 07:57 AM - Re: 601 rudder pedal warning. (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 5. 08:12 AM - min. pilot requirements for first flight (David Barth) 6. 08:15 AM - Re: 601 rudder pedal warning. (N5SL) 7. 08:17 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Randy Culp) 8. 08:18 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (N5SL) 9. 08:29 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 10. 08:35 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Larry McFarland) 11. 08:40 AM - Re: 601 rudder pedal warning. (Chuck Deiterich) 12. 09:11 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Monty Graves) 13. 09:19 AM - Re: 601 rudder pedal warning. (Larry McFarland) 14. 09:35 AM - Life insurance (Jon Croke) 15. 09:41 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Larry McFarland) 16. 09:53 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Michel Therrien) 17. 10:39 AM - Re: 601 rudder pedal warning. (Mike H) 18. 11:31 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (David Barth) 19. 12:11 PM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Beckman, Rick) 20. 12:13 PM - life insurance (Randy L. Thwing) 21. 12:52 PM - Wheels on 601 HD (Dan Knezacek) 22. 01:15 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (Larry McFarland) 23. 01:43 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 24. 03:39 PM - Re: Life insurance (Dan Knezacek) 25. 04:59 PM - Re: Life insurance (Kent Brown) 26. 08:13 PM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Richard Hutson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:55 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Flap motor draw? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" Does anyone know how much the flap motor draws worse-case? I'd measure my own but I'm far from home. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:29 AM PST US From: "P.H. Raker" Subject: Zenith-List: TEST --> Zenith-List message posted by: "P.H. Raker" - TEST MESSAGE - Just trying out a new e-mail address. Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed DO NOT ARCHIVE --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: From: charles.long@gm.com 20, 2004) at 02/23/2005 09:34:57 AM, Serialize complete at 02/23/2005 09:34:57 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com N601LE is the HDS version with a Jabiru 3300. Built from kit with FWF from ZAC as well. Time: 02:25:59 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FAA inspection complete --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Congrats Charles, Nice to hear another is ready to clear the fences. The FAA are really nice people trying to do a good job. Will be looking to hear of your taxi testing and first flights. What is it you're powered by and are you an XL or earlier? Larry McFarland - 601 HDS - Stratus - 50+hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: FAA inspection complete > --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com > > Just finished my FAA inspection on N601LE and all went well. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:23 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Zac want $260 for a set of pedals.....we won't mention that it was their weld that failed and they knew it was a marginal design etc etc.. Time to fire up the welding torch. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thilo Kind Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Frank, I bought my kit in 99. The pedals came with the gussets already welded in place. Best regards Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > Well its been flying since '99 and it took 14 months to build so > Spring > 98 is when I bought the kit. > > I don't really know to be honest...The gusset mod is not actually > shown on the drawings (I thought they were) > > Frank > > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Flydog1966@aol.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com > > Frank, it looks like you purchased your kit in '99? The update that > someone posted, from Zenith, about adding a gusset OR using a thicker > wall tube is dated '98. > Do you have the thicker wall tube rudder pedals? If so I might > think they need to be heavier still? > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:12 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Hi List. I know there are a few people out there who, like me, are building their planes before they get their pilot's license. In Canada there is a regulation - I have been told - that requires pilots performing "first flights" to have a minimum of 200 hours of pilot-in-command time. Is there any such rule in the US or other countries? David do not archive David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:42 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Ouch! I'm sure you will do a great job. Let us know how they come out. Do No Archive "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" wrote: Zac want $260 for a set of pedals --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:49 AM PST US From: "Randy Culp" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Culp" David: Where did you hear about this 200 hour requirement in Canada? >From: David Barth >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: Zenith List >Subject: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:11:31 -0800 (PST) > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > >Hi List. >I know there are a few people out there who, like me, are building their >planes before they get their pilot's license. In Canada there is a >regulation - I have been told - that requires pilots performing "first >flights" to have a minimum of 200 hours of pilot-in-command time. Is there >any such rule in the US or other countries? >David >do not archive > > >David Barth >601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? >Working on Wings >www.ch601.org > >--------------------------------- > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:03 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL David I'm pretty sure that would be "No" for the U.S. At least that would put a kink in my plans. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com N5SL (Reserved) 601XL/Corvair DO NOT ARCHIVE David Barth wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth I have been told - that requires pilots performing "first flights" to have a minimum of 200 hours of pilot-in-command time. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:37 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Not in the US but your insurance comapany will be the limiting factor...Assuming you want insurance of course as it is not madetory. Foolish not to IMHO Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Barth Subject: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Hi List. I know there are a few people out there who, like me, are building their planes before they get their pilot's license. In Canada there is a regulation - I have been told - that requires pilots performing "first flights" to have a minimum of 200 hours of pilot-in-command time. Is there any such rule in the US or other countries? David do not archive David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:09 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" David, There's no such rule in the U.S., but a first flight is one that should be performed by someone that has flown a type that is similiar to the model you intend to fly. I kept current in Piper 140s and took flight with Kelly Meiste in his 601HD. I'd not recommend a newly minted pilot with less than 50 hours perform a "first flight" because there are just a few too many variables to juggle if things go south on you. At that point, I'd want to have spent a couple of hours in type-specific to be comfortable. Larry McFarland - 601HDS do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barth" Subject: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > > Hi List. > I know there are a few people out there who, like me, are building their > planes before they get their pilot's license. In Canada there is a > regulation - I have been told - that requires pilots performing "first > flights" to have a minimum of 200 hours of pilot-in-command time. Is > there any such rule in the US or other countries? > David > do not archive > > > David Barth > 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? > Working on Wings > www.ch601.org > > --------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:04 AM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" This discussion on brakes got me to thinking. When applying brakes, the opposite rudder pedal receives the same force as the toe brake and both pedals receive equal forces when both brakes are pushed. On a tri gear the steering rods to the nose gear transfer the forces between the brakes, which should be OK. But on a tail dragger it seems that the force between the brakes is transferred through the rudder cables, the rudder horn and rudder hinges? This is a place I would not like to see loads placed. Just thinking out loud. Mine is tri gear. Chuck D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > Zac want $260 for a set of pedals.....we won't mention that it was their > weld that failed and they knew it was a marginal design etc etc.. > > Time to fire up the welding torch. > > Frank > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thilo Kind > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" > > Hi Frank, > > I bought my kit in 99. The pedals came with the gussets already welded > in place. > > Best regards > > Thilo Kind > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > > > Well its been flying since '99 and it took 14 months to build so > > Spring > > 98 is when I bought the kit. > > > > I don't really know to be honest...The gusset mod is not actually > > shown on the drawings (I thought they were) > > > > Frank > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > > Flydog1966@aol.com > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com > > > > Frank, it looks like you purchased your kit in '99? The update > that > > someone posted, from Zenith, about adding a gusset OR using a thicker > > wall tube is dated '98. > > Do you have the thicker wall tube rudder pedals? If so I might > > think they need to be heavier still? > > do not archive > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:53 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: RE: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves On the insurance note. It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for when we fly these things? If I am not mistaken. My current life insurance policy specifically denies small plane accidents. I hadn't really thought about it till my wife pointed it out the other day. I don't think her concern was really for me, :-) but our daughter.... If so how many hrs before you can be insured? Anyone with knowlege about this? Monty At 08:28 AM 2/23/05 -0800, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > >Not in the US but your insurance comapany will be the limiting >factor...Assuming you want insurance of course as it is not madetory. > >Foolish not to IMHO > >Frank > >Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:37 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Good point Chuck, Standing on the brakes in a tail dragger would put some serious loads on the rudder hinges. All the more reason to reduce that force by using the MC-5 intensifiers. Larry McFarland do not archive Chuck Deiterich wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" > >This discussion on brakes got me to thinking. >When applying brakes, the opposite rudder pedal receives the same force as >the toe brake and both pedals receive equal forces when both brakes are >pushed. On a tri gear the steering rods to the nose gear transfer the >forces between the brakes, which should be OK. But on a tail dragger it >seems that the force between the brakes is transferred through the rudder >cables, the rudder horn and rudder hinges? This is a place I would not like >to see loads placed. >Just thinking out loud. Mine is tri gear. >Chuck D. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >To: >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > > > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >> >> > > > >>Zac want $260 for a set of pedals.....we won't mention that it was their >>weld that failed and they knew it was a marginal design etc etc.. >> >>Time to fire up the welding torch. >> >>Frank >> >>Do not archive >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thilo Kind >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. >> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" >> >>Hi Frank, >> >>I bought my kit in 99. The pedals came with the gussets already welded >>in place. >> >>Best regards >> >>Thilo Kind >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >>To: >>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. >> >> >> >> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>Well its been flying since '99 and it took 14 months to build so >>>Spring >>>98 is when I bought the kit. >>> >>>I don't really know to be honest...The gusset mod is not actually >>>shown on the drawings (I thought they were) >>> >>>Frank >>> >>>Do not archive >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>>Flydog1966@aol.com >>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. >>> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com >>> >>> Frank, it looks like you purchased your kit in '99? The update >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>someone posted, from Zenith, about adding a gusset OR using a thicker >>>wall tube is dated '98. >>> Do you have the thicker wall tube rudder pedals? If so I might >>>think they need to be heavier still? >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:04 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Life insurance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Monty, You are correct, it is very common to have exclusions when flying, ESPECIALLY when flying a homebuilt. I tried to go thru brokers that just had exhorbitant prices. Then on a lark I answered an ad from AAA (auto club) (they have a life insurance division). I answered all of their questions honestly and kept a copy of those answers, which inlcluded an additional questionaire for private pilots. I stated that I flew an ultralight in addition to spam cans. They accepted me with no exclusions. Not the best price, but not bad either! Often wonder if I fell thru the 'cracks'.. but I wont complain! Good luck. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > > On the insurance note. > > It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for when we fly these > things? > > If I am not mistaken. My current life insurance policy specifically > denies > small plane accidents. I hadn't really thought about it till my wife > pointed it out the other day. I don't think her concern was really for > me, > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:56 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Monty, Look up the EAA insurance people and you'll get referred to an underwriter that will look at your flying record and what you're doing and will offer a quote or requirements that you need. I obtained my quote while at Sun & Fun of 2004 and was satisfied with their detailed questions. Larry McFarland - 601HDS do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monty Graves" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > > On the insurance note. > > It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for when we fly these > things? > > If I am not mistaken. My current life insurance policy specifically > denies > small plane accidents. I hadn't really thought about it till my wife > pointed it out the other day. I don't think her concern was really for > me, > :-) but our daughter.... > > > If so how many hrs before you can be insured? > > Anyone with knowlege about this? > > Monty > > At 08:28 AM 2/23/05 -0800, you wrote: >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > >> >>Not in the US but your insurance comapany will be the limiting >>factor...Assuming you want insurance of course as it is not madetory. >> >>Foolish not to IMHO >> >>Frank >> >>Do not archive >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:00 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Here is the regulation in Canada (Chapter 507, appendix D)(see item (g)): 3. Initial Standard Operating Conditions - Amateur-built Aircraft The initial operating conditions to be endorsed on a Special C of A for amateur-built aircraft shall be as follows: (a) the specific base, indicated by Transport Canada, from which the aircraft can be flown so as to afford the maximum level of safety possible; (b) the aircraft shall not be operated (flown) more than 25 nautical miles from the base mentioned in (a) except with written authorisation of the Regional Director Airworthiness (name of Region), which will be provided, taking into account the safety of the flight; (c) the aircraft shall not be flown over any built-up area, or open air assembly of persons; (d) carriage of persons other than for dual instruction is prohibited; (e) aerobatic flight is prohibited; (f) day VFR only; and (g) during the first 5 hours of flight, the aircraft can only be flown only by pilots who have acquired not less than 100 hours of pilot-in-command on the same category of aircraft. Michel --- David Barth wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > > > Hi List. > I know there are a few people out there who, like > me, are building their planes before they get their > pilot's license. In Canada there is a regulation - > I have been told - that requires pilots performing > "first flights" to have a minimum of 200 hours of > pilot-in-command time. Is there any such rule in > the US or other countries? > David > do not archive > > > David Barth > 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? > Working on Wings > www.ch601.org ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:07 AM PST US From: "Mike H" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" Yeah, you would think that most flaws would be taken care of from a kit that has been out so long. Zenith is not alone in this practice though. I would have a hard time buying a kit that is < 5 yo . mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > Zac want $260 for a set of pedals.....we won't mention that it was their > weld that failed and they knew it was a marginal design etc etc.. > > Time to fire up the welding torch. > > Frank > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thilo Kind > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" > > Hi Frank, > > I bought my kit in 99. The pedals came with the gussets already welded > in place. > > Best regards > > Thilo Kind > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > > > Well its been flying since '99 and it took 14 months to build so > > Spring > > 98 is when I bought the kit. > > > > I don't really know to be honest...The gusset mod is not actually > > shown on the drawings (I thought they were) > > > > Frank > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > > Flydog1966@aol.com > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 rudder pedal warning. > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com > > > > Frank, it looks like you purchased your kit in '99? The update > that > > someone posted, from Zenith, about adding a gusset OR using a thicker > > wall tube is dated '98. > > Do you have the thicker wall tube rudder pedals? If so I might > > think they need to be heavier still? > > do not archive > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:08 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Thanks Michel. It is what I found too but you beat me to it. So.... did you miss the first 5 hours in your plane? David do not archive Michel Therrien wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Here is the regulation in Canada (Chapter 507, appendix D)(see item (g)): 3. Initial Standard Operating Conditions - Amateur-built Aircraft The initial operating conditions to be endorsed on a Special C of A for amateur-built aircraft shall be as follows: (a) the specific base, indicated by Transport Canada, from which the aircraft can be flown so as to afford the maximum level of safety possible; (b) the aircraft shall not be operated (flown) more than 25 nautical miles from the base mentioned in (a) except with written authorisation of the Regional Director Airworthiness (name of Region), which will be provided, taking into account the safety of the flight; (c) the aircraft shall not be flown over any built-up area, or open air assembly of persons; (d) carriage of persons other than for dual instruction is prohibited; (e) aerobatic flight is prohibited; (f) day VFR only; and (g) during the first 5 hours of flight, the aircraft can only be flown only by pilots who have acquired not less than 100 hours of pilot-in-command on the same category of aircraft. Michel --- David Barth wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > > > Hi List. > I know there are a few people out there who, like > me, are building their planes before they get their > pilot's license. In Canada there is a regulation - > I have been told - that requires pilots performing > "first flights" to have a minimum of 200 hours of > pilot-in-command time. Is there any such rule in > the US or other countries? > David > do not archive > > > David Barth > 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? > Working on Wings > www.ch601.org ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:03 PM PST US From: "Beckman, Rick" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" message posted by: Monty Graves On the insurance note. If so how many hrs before you can be insured? Anyone with knowlege about this? Monty Monty-- I checked on insurance for my XL a couple of months ago. I have a ways to go before first flight, but I wanted to try to stay ahead of the game. The agent said that I needed a minimum of 100 hours total with a minimum of 5 hours in type. Rates didn't seem outrageous, but those were the minimums for his company. This probably holds true for most insurance companies in order for them to remain competitive. I'm from Missouri, if that helps. Good luck and God Bless!! Happy building! Rick Beckman Midwest Mudworks 729 MSL and sinking www.sharbo.us/thebird ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:58 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Zenith-List: life insurance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" > On the insurance note. > > It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for when we fly these things? I spoke with AVEMCO last week to renew the insurance policy on our flying club airplane, see www.eaa163.com The agent told me they now have life insurance without pilot exclusions. I didn't get into the certified verses experimental question. Maybe they can help. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:52 PM PST US From: "Dan Knezacek" Subject: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" I've been trying to find roller bearings for my wheels with a 1 3/8" bore and either 3/4" or 5/8" axle and have had no luck. I've been through the Timken and other bearing catalogues to no avail. I may have to go with other wheels. What are the dimensions for the matco wheels that most use? My forks are only about 4 1/2" wide, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error. With the 4.00 x 8 tires I have maybe 1/4" on either side. What tire size do the matco wheels fit? Thanks, Dan CH601HD, EA81 soob ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:29 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Dan, The 8 x 4 wheels seem a bit ponderous with the wheel-barrow tires seen on most. I used a 3.50 - 8 Michelin Tire called the S-83. It's a scooter tire load rated at 375 lbs and has a decent radius & slight tread pattern. I also used tubes and purchased them all at the local cycle shop. You can see these at http://motous.webmichelin.com/tiress83.htm Don't know about the bearing thing. Havn't had any problems with the wheels or bearings to date. Sure like the tires though. You can also see the tires at http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/pantforkbracketrh.gif Please disregard the stickers still shown on the calipers as it was an early photo. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Knezacek" Subject: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" > > I've been trying to find roller bearings for my wheels with a 1 3/8" bore > and either 3/4" or 5/8" axle and have had no luck. I've been through the > Timken and other bearing catalogues to no avail. I may have to go with > other wheels. > > What are the dimensions for the matco wheels that most use? My forks are > only about 4 1/2" wide, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error. With > the 4.00 x 8 tires I have maybe 1/4" on either side. > > What tire size do the matco wheels fit? > > Thanks, > > Dan > CH601HD, EA81 soob > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:00 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Dan: A Nice bearing # 1623 has a 5/8 bore and 1 3/8 OD that should be just right. Why do you need a Timken-style tapered roller bearing? I don't even think Harley-Davidson is still using tapered-roller bearings in thier wheels. I know BMW (motorcycle) transitioned decades ago. Here's a link to the drawing: _http://www.rbcbearings.com/ballbearings/detail.asp?PartNumber=1623_ (http://www.rbcbearings.com/ballbearings/detail.asp?PartNumber=1623) Looking at my XL drawings I have to believe they use a ball bearing with the factory kit. Did the 601HD require a tapered roller bearing? Just my .02 worth. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601XL tail 85% do not archive (http://www.rbcbearings.com/ballbearings/detail.asp?PartNumber=1623) In a message dated 2/23/2005 3:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan@knezacek.ca writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" I've been trying to find roller bearings for my wheels with a 1 3/8" bore and either 3/4" or 5/8" axle and have had no luck. I've been through the Timken and other bearing catalogues to no avail. I may have to go with other wheels. What are the dimensions for the matco wheels that most use? My forks are only about 4 1/2" wide, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error. With the 4.00 x 8 tires I have maybe 1/4" on either side. What tire size do the matco wheels fit? Thanks, Dan CH601HD, EA81 soob ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:24 PM PST US From: "Dan Knezacek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Life insurance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" Jon, Read the fine print of your policy. I have found that mine covers me EXCEPT when I am flying as a pilot. The rate isn't bad but it isn't 100% coverage either! My COPA coverage will cover me while flying, but not during the test flying phase, then I'm on my own! Dan 601 HD EA81 soob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Life insurance > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" > > Monty, > > You are correct, it is very common to have exclusions when flying, > ESPECIALLY when flying a homebuilt. > > I tried to go thru brokers that just had exhorbitant > prices. Then on a lark I answered an ad from AAA (auto club) (they have a > life insurance > division). I answered all of their questions honestly and kept a copy of > those answers, which inlcluded an additional questionaire for private > pilots. I stated that I flew an ultralight in addition to spam cans. They > accepted me with no exclusions. Not the best price, but not bad either! > Often wonder if I fell thru the 'cracks'.. but I wont complain! Good > luck. > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves >> >> On the insurance note. >> >> It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for when we fly these >> things? >> >> If I am not mistaken. My current life insurance policy specifically >> denies >> small plane accidents. I hadn't really thought about it till my wife >> pointed it out the other day. I don't think her concern was really for >> me, >> > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:21 PM PST US From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Life insurance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" Many insurers will cover you while you are acting as a private pilot, but you will have to accept a lower rating, and higher premiums. That is not a problem for someone who does not qualify for the preferred rates for other reasons, as the higher rates will apply anyway. Those who do qualify for the preferred rates just have to decide if the added coverage while flying is worth the added cost. Maybe if you only fly 20 hours a year, the exposure is pretty minimal and not worth the higher costs. Read the policy though, don't depend on the agent's word. 2cents, Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Knezacek > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:38 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Life insurance > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" > > Jon, > > Read the fine print of your policy. I have found that mine covers me > EXCEPT > when I am flying as a pilot. The rate isn't bad but it isn't 100% > coverage > either! > > My COPA coverage will cover me while flying, but not during the test > flying > phase, then I'm on my own! > > Dan > 601 HD EA81 soob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Croke" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Life insurance > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" > > > > Monty, > > > > You are correct, it is very common to have exclusions when flying, > > ESPECIALLY when flying a homebuilt. > > > > I tried to go thru brokers that just had exhorbitant > > prices. Then on a lark I answered an ad from AAA (auto club) (they have > a > > life insurance > > division). I answered all of their questions honestly and kept a copy of > > those answers, which inlcluded an additional questionaire for private > > pilots. I stated that I flew an ultralight in addition to spam cans. > They > > accepted me with no exclusions. Not the best price, but not bad either! > > Often wonder if I fell thru the 'cracks'.. but I wont complain! Good > > luck. > > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > >> > >> On the insurance note. > >> > >> It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for when we fly these > >> things? > >> > >> If I am not mistaken. My current life insurance policy specifically > >> denies > >> small plane accidents. I hadn't really thought about it till my wife > >> pointed it out the other day. I don't think her concern was really for > >> me, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:17 PM PST US From: "Richard Hutson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" For life insurnace check this web site http://www.avweb.com/sponsors/piclife/biz. this is from AVflash's busniness site ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monty Graves" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > > On the insurance note. > > It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for when we fly these > things? > > If I am not mistaken. My current life insurance policy specifically > denies > small plane accidents. I hadn't really thought about it till my wife > pointed it out the other day. I don't think her concern was really for > me, > :-) but our daughter.... > > > If so how many hrs before you can be insured? > > Anyone with knowlege about this? > > Monty > > At 08:28 AM 2/23/05 -0800, you wrote: >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > >> >>Not in the US but your insurance comapany will be the limiting >>factor...Assuming you want insurance of course as it is not madetory. >> >>Foolish not to IMHO >> >>Frank >> >>Do not archive >> > > >