---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/24/05: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Michel Therrien) 2. 04:03 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Michel Therrien) 3. 04:03 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Michel Therrien) 4. 04:08 AM - Re: min. pilot requirements for first flight (Michel Therrien) 5. 06:39 AM - Life Insurance - Another note... (Bima, Martin) 6. 09:09 AM - life insurance (Vann Covington) 7. 09:37 AM - Re: life insurance (Jon Croke) 8. 10:58 AM - Canadian builder question (Paul Riedlinger) 9. 11:28 AM - Re: life insurance (kobo1) 10. 12:28 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (Dan Knezacek) 11. 12:41 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (Dan Knezacek) 12. 01:20 PM - Re: Canadian builder question (Frank Jones) 13. 02:06 PM - Re:601 fuel cap leaks (ron dewees) 14. 02:21 PM - brakes (alex trent) 15. 02:42 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (Larry McFarland) 16. 02:57 PM - Re: Re:601 fuel cap leaks (Larry McFarland) 17. 04:10 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (Bob Miller) 18. 04:46 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD () 19. 05:51 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (Larry McFarland) 20. 06:31 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 21. 07:09 PM - Re: brakes (Brandon Tucker) 22. 07:30 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (cgalley) 23. 08:01 PM - Re: Wheels on 601 HD (Dave) 24. 10:34 PM - Re: Re:601 fuel cap leaks (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:41 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien In Canada, I purchased life insurance through COPA. The fun part is that it did'nt cost me anything. What I mean is that I reduced the coverage of my employer's collective life insurance. The reduction in contribution to the employer's program was nearly enough to pay for the COPA life insurance. Does AOPA have a similar program? Michel --- Richard Hutson wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" > > > For life insurnace check this web site > http://www.avweb.com/sponsors/piclife/biz. this is > from AVflash's busniness > site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Monty Graves" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements > for first flight > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > > > > > On the insurance note. > > > > It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for > when we fly these > > things? > > > > If I am not mistaken. My current life insurance > policy specifically > > denies > > small plane accidents. I hadn't really thought > about it till my wife > > pointed it out the other day. I don't think her > concern was really for > > me, > > :-) but our daughter.... ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:41 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien In Canada, I purchased life insurance through COPA. The fun part is that it did'nt cost me anything. What I mean is that I reduced the coverage of my employer's collective life insurance. The reduction in contribution to the employer's program was nearly enough to pay for the COPA life insurance. Does AOPA have a similar program? Michel --- Richard Hutson wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" > > > For life insurnace check this web site > http://www.avweb.com/sponsors/piclife/biz. this is > from AVflash's busniness > site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Monty Graves" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements > for first flight > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > > > > > On the insurance note. > > > > It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for > when we fly these > > things? > > > > If I am not mistaken. My current life insurance > policy specifically > > denies > > small plane accidents. I hadn't really thought > about it till my wife > > pointed it out the other day. I don't think her > concern was really for > > me, > > :-) but our daughter.... ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:41 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien In Canada, I purchased life insurance through COPA. The fun part is that it did'nt cost me anything. What I mean is that I reduced the coverage of my employer's collective life insurance. The reduction in contribution to the employer's program was nearly enough to pay for the COPA life insurance. Does AOPA have a similar program? Michel --- Richard Hutson wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" > > > For life insurnace check this web site > http://www.avweb.com/sponsors/piclife/biz. this is > from AVflash's busniness > site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Monty Graves" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements > for first flight > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves > > > > > On the insurance note. > > > > It is possible to get LIFE insurance coverage for > when we fly these > > things? > > > > If I am not mistaken. My current life insurance > policy specifically > > denies > > small plane accidents. I hadn't really thought > about it till my wife > > pointed it out the other day. I don't think her > concern was really for > > me, > > :-) but our daughter.... ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:26 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: min. pilot requirements for first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Acdually, David, I did not miss anything! My construction mentor did all my flight tests (25 hours in Canada). Then, I took flying lessons on my own CH601-HD! I started lessons on Oct 5 and obtained my PPL on Dec 22 (1st solo on Oct 26 and flight test on nov 23rd if I remember). I now have 70 hours in my pilot log book! :-) I think it is tougher to take flying lessons on a homebuilt in the US. Here, regulations allow for it and it is fairly easy to find instructors that would love to fly anything different than their usual Cessnas. Michel --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Thanks Michel. It is what I found too but you beat me to it. So.... did you miss the first 5 hours in your plane? David do not archive ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Life Insurance - Another note... From: "Bima, Martin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" I used to sell life insurance. Here are some tips. #1 - Tell the truth. If you smoke, and say you don't, you will pay lower premiums. However, when you get killed on the highway by a drunk driver, and the insurance company finds your lungs coated in tar, you family may have a hefty battle to extract the benefit. #2 - HUGE difference between Life Insurance and Accidental Death and Dismemberment (AD&D) coverage. #3 - MOST life insurance covers you 24/7 in what ever situation as long as you answered all of their questions truthfully. I stated that I am a low-time pilot that tows gliders and they bumped my premium $1 per month more. #4 - MOST AD&D coverage will not cover you for flying in small aircraft or other "dangerous" activity. #5 - READ YOUR POLICY. If you don't like something, change it and submit it to your insurance agent. You will either get a "no" or an increase in premium or no increase in premium and an amended agreement. My 2-cents ( $0.016 USD) Martin ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:26 AM PST US From: "Vann Covington" Subject: Zenith-List: life insurance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Vann Covington" Jon, I brought this subject up on the Kolb list. Do you have a private ticket? In my research into life insurance I have found people that will insure me if I had a private. But I fly a heavy ultralight and no private ticket (I do have USUA training) and because they have little accident history on us, it is difficult to get insurance at a reasonable cost. If you have your private and a good many hours I don't think they care what you fly and it isn't difficult to fine insurance. Vann ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:56 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: life insurance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Yes, yes, yes! Vann, I agree with your assessment of 'who' they penalize... Ultralights are considered hazardous activities (like skydiving, scuba, etc). And that's why I think I fell between the 'cracks' on my policy because when I responded to their sales literature, I first wrote 'fly ultralights' to see if they would kick me right out of the water immediately (as I would expect) To my surprise, they repsonded with a general questionaire about private pilots experience (I am LOW time) and I repsonded truthfully AND again wrote that I fly ultralights. I am guessing that the underwriter doesnt know what that means (ultralights) but they sent a copy of the app back to me with a policy that I read from head to toe. No exclusions. I will share my coverage with you all just for sake of comparison: $100K for a dollar a day. Not the best, BUT, if you call brokers (I did) they wouldnt touch me BECAUSE of the ULTRALIGHT flying, not the private flying. Yes, private only pilots can get reasonable coverage, but if you love ultralights and fly them like I do, it is difficult to get a good price. So, I mentioned earlier that I got mine thru AAA (auto club life insurance) and it might be worth a try.. to see if I was a fluke in their system - or - maybe the underwriters are also ultralight pilots with a great attitude! You never know! Good luck Jon > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Vann Covington" > > > Jon, > I brought this subject up on the Kolb list. Do you have a private > ticket? In my research into life insurance I have found people that will > insure me if I had a private. But I fly a heavy ultralight and no private > ticket (I do have USUA training) and because they have little accident > history on us, it is difficult to get insurance at a reasonable cost. If > you have your private and a good many hours I don't think they care what > you fly and it isn't difficult to fine insurance. > Vann ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:35 AM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" Hello everyone. I have been lurking for a while. I moved back to Canada (Toronto)after spending 11 years in the US. I am just playing around with the starter rudder kit for the 601XL. I am a bit confused with the inspection procedures in Canada. I am at the point where I am ready to skin the rudder. Can I go ahead and rivet it shut (to the plans show it is to be done) or do I have to leave it clecoed until it is inspected (with the rest of the tail). Thanks Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:55 AM PST US From: "kobo1" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: life insurance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kobo1" In Canada: When I got my PPL I called both insurance companies I had insurance with already, both life insurance. It appears that if I had the policy before becoming a pilot nothing would change either in premiums or coverage, coverage as usual. After I had my license I changed one of the policies, told them I was a pilot and there was a second questionnaire to fill out; ratings, yearly time, total time, etc. This new policy had higher premiums, not by much, and there was no problem getting coverage. I believe a smoker has a harderr time getting insurance than a pilot here. Michael K -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Croke Subject: Re: Zenith-List: life insurance --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Yes, yes, yes! Vann, I agree with your assessment of 'who' they penalize... Ultralights are considered hazardous activities (like skydiving, scuba, etc). And that's why I think I fell between the 'cracks' on my policy because when I responded to their sales literature, I first wrote 'fly ultralights' to see if they would kick me right out of the water immediately (as I would expect) To my surprise, they repsonded with a general questionaire about private pilots experience (I am LOW time) and I repsonded truthfully AND again wrote that I fly ultralights. I am guessing that the underwriter doesnt know what that means (ultralights) but they sent a copy of the app back to me with a policy that I read from head to toe. No exclusions. I will share my coverage with you all just for sake of comparison: $100K for a dollar a day. Not the best, BUT, if you call brokers (I did) they wouldnt touch me BECAUSE of the ULTRALIGHT flying, not the private flying. Yes, private only pilots can get reasonable coverage, but if you love ultralights and fly them like I do, it is difficult to get a good price. So, I mentioned earlier that I got mine thru AAA (auto club life insurance) and it might be worth a try.. to see if I was a fluke in their system - or - maybe the underwriters are also ultralight pilots with a great attitude! You never know! Good luck Jon > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Vann Covington" > > > Jon, > I brought this subject up on the Kolb list. Do you have a private > ticket? In my research into life insurance I have found people that will > insure me if I had a private. But I fly a heavy ultralight and no private > ticket (I do have USUA training) and because they have little accident > history on us, it is difficult to get insurance at a reasonable cost. If > you have your private and a good many hours I don't think they care what > you fly and it isn't difficult to fine insurance. > Vann ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:47 PM PST US From: "Dan Knezacek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" No, but the (heavy duty) ball bearings failed after 24 hours. I'll check those out. Thanks, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com > > > Hello Dan: > > A Nice bearing # 1623 has a 5/8 bore and 1 3/8 OD that should be just > right. > Why do you need a Timken-style tapered roller bearing? I don't even > think > Harley-Davidson is still using tapered-roller bearings in thier wheels. > I > know BMW (motorcycle) transitioned decades ago. > > Here's a link to the drawing: > _http://www.rbcbearings.com/ballbearings/detail.asp?PartNumber=1623_ > (http://www.rbcbearings.com/ballbearings/detail.asp?PartNumber=1623) > > Looking at my XL drawings I have to believe they use a ball bearing with > the > factory kit. Did the 601HD require a tapered roller bearing? > > Just my .02 worth. > > Tracy Smith > Naugatuck, CT > 601XL tail 85% > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:04 PM PST US From: "Dan Knezacek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" Larry, What wheels are you using? Matco or something else? What is the inside dimension of your forks? Thanks, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > > Dan, > The 8 x 4 wheels seem a bit ponderous with the wheel-barrow tires > seen on most. I used a 3.50 - 8 Michelin Tire called the S-83. > It's a scooter tire load rated at 375 lbs and has a decent radius & slight > tread pattern. I also used tubes and purchased them all at the local > cycle > shop. You can see these at http://motous.webmichelin.com/tiress83.htm > Don't know about the bearing thing. Havn't had any problems with > the wheels or bearings to date. Sure like the tires though. > You can also see the tires at > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/pantforkbracketrh.gif > Please disregard the stickers still shown on the calipers as it was an > early > photo. > > Larry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Knezacek" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >> >> I've been trying to find roller bearings for my wheels with a 1 3/8" bore >> and either 3/4" or 5/8" axle and have had no luck. I've been through the >> Timken and other bearing catalogues to no avail. I may have to go with >> other wheels. >> >> What are the dimensions for the matco wheels that most use? My forks are >> only about 4 1/2" wide, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error. >> With >> the 4.00 x 8 tires I have maybe 1/4" on either side. >> >> What tire size do the matco wheels fit? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan >> CH601HD, EA81 soob >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:47 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" Paul, You need to leave it open for a pre-closing inspection. Take a look at the MDRA web site. http://www.md-ra.com/. It has the forms you need and the process is described there. Frank Jones C-GYXQ Hello everyone. I have been lurking for a while. I moved back to Canada (Toronto)after spending 11 years in the US. I am just playing around with the starter rudder kit for the 601XL. I am a bit confused with the inspection procedures in Canada. I am at the point where I am ready to skin the rudder. Can I go ahead and rivet it shut (to the plans show it is to be done) or do I have to leave it clecoed until it is inspected (with the rest of the tail). Thanks Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:27 PM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Zenith-List: Re:601 fuel cap leaks --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Hi listers, Wonder if those with wing tanks with ZAC's external automotive caps on them are experiencing fuel spewing from the caps when filling to the top and flying? My leading edge wing tanks are 10 gallons but if I fill them above 9.5 gallons or so they spew fuel for about 3 or 4 minutes after I takeoff till the level goes down a bit. The fuel caps are standard ZAC and I don't have tubes pointing up and forward to pressurize them so I don't know why they vent fuel overboard. It happens with both wing tanks so doesn't seem to be a defective cap. If I built a fairing around the cap to prevent air from flowing around the neck and cap I wonder if it would cut down the leakage. While on the fuel related questions-- I use two wing tanks to refill the 8 gallon header tank thru the 1/4 inch fitting near the top of the tank. When I accidentally overfill the header tank from the wing tanks I get the same fuel venting from the cap. Is there a simple check valve I could install to stop the fuel from overfilling the header? It would make flying a lot simpler if I didn't have to devote so much time to remembering when to turn off the wing boost pumps. Thanks for ideas. Ron N601TD (HDS/Jab 3300) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:57 PM PST US From: alex trent Subject: Zenith-List: brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent Does anyone have a ch600 tail dragger with mechanical brakes? If so I am curious as to how well they work and how you have them set up. alex t. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:07 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Dan, I'm using the same dimensions, 123mm or 4.84" inside width for the forks. I'm using the typical Matco wheels and brakes and MC-5 brake cylinders. (W80CC-Z rears and NW80CC-Z nose) They roll really nicely on grass or uneven runways. I would recommend you look carefully at the remote reservoir for filling the brake cylinders. That's the only area where I could have made a serious improvement and gotten an easier way to top off the fluids. If you're using MC-5s, I'd have them add the intensifiers or buy the kit and adapt them for more effective braking. Best regards, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Knezacek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" > > Larry, > > What wheels are you using? Matco or something else? > > What is the inside dimension of your forks? > > Thanks, > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry McFarland" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" >> >> >> Dan, >> The 8 x 4 wheels seem a bit ponderous with the wheel-barrow tires >> seen on most. I used a 3.50 - 8 Michelin Tire called the S-83. >> It's a scooter tire load rated at 375 lbs and has a decent radius & >> slight >> tread pattern. I also used tubes and purchased them all at the local >> cycle >> shop. You can see these at http://motous.webmichelin.com/tiress83.htm >> Don't know about the bearing thing. Havn't had any problems with >> the wheels or bearings to date. Sure like the tires though. >> You can also see the tires at >> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/pantforkbracketrh.gif >> Please disregard the stickers still shown on the calipers as it was an >> early >> photo. >> >> Larry >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dan Knezacek" >> To: >> Subject: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >> >> >>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >>> >>> I've been trying to find roller bearings for my wheels with a 1 3/8" >>> bore >>> and either 3/4" or 5/8" axle and have had no luck. I've been through >>> the >>> Timken and other bearing catalogues to no avail. I may have to go with >>> other wheels. >>> >>> What are the dimensions for the matco wheels that most use? My forks >>> are >>> only about 4 1/2" wide, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error. >>> With >>> the 4.00 x 8 tires I have maybe 1/4" on either side. >>> >>> What tire size do the matco wheels fit? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Dan >>> CH601HD, EA81 soob >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:00 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:601 fuel cap leaks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Ron, I believe your wing tank cap vents should be pointed forward for pressure to avoid venting from the caps. In the overfill of the header, you're backfilling into the wing tanks and cap overflow might be easy. I used non-vent caps all round and vent from the bottom of the individual wing tanks and the header by routing vent out to the right end of the centerwing bottom skin. If you don't already have vent pipes from the topmost inside of the tank, you could put a plastic line from the filler necks down and away under the plane and add vents to the wing tank filler necks to accomplish the same and seal the caps. You'd never smell fuel again either. Larry McFarland ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron dewees" Subject: Zenith-List: Re:601 fuel cap leaks > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > > Hi listers, > Wonder if those with wing tanks with ZAC's external automotive caps on > them are experiencing fuel spewing from the caps when filling to the top > and flying? My leading edge wing tanks are 10 gallons but if I fill them > above 9.5 gallons or so they spew fuel for about 3 or 4 minutes after I > takeoff till the level goes down a bit. The fuel caps are standard ZAC > and I don't have tubes pointing up and forward to pressurize them so I > don't know why they vent fuel overboard. It happens with both wing > tanks so doesn't seem to be a defective cap. If I built a fairing > around the cap to prevent air from flowing around the neck and cap I > wonder if it would cut down the leakage. > While on the fuel related questions-- I use two wing tanks to refill > the 8 gallon header tank thru the 1/4 inch fitting near the top of the > tank. When I accidentally overfill the header tank from the wing tanks > I get the same fuel venting from the cap. Is there a simple check valve > I could install to stop the fuel from overfilling the header? It would > make flying a lot simpler if I didn't have to devote so much time to > remembering when to turn off the wing boost pumps. > Thanks for ideas. > Ron > N601TD (HDS/Jab 3300) > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:05 PM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Larry, If you had to do it over, where would you locate the remote reservoir for the MC-5, and how would you tie it into your brake lines? How would you prevent fluid from being pushed into the reservoir (instead of into the brakes) when you apply brakes? I looked at the MC-5 info on the Spruce website (couldn't find a website for Matco) and didn't see any applicable info. Maybe you'd need something other than the MC-5? Thanks, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > > Dan, > I'm using the same dimensions, 123mm or 4.84" inside width > for the forks. I'm using the typical Matco wheels and brakes > and MC-5 brake cylinders. (W80CC-Z rears and NW80CC-Z nose) > They roll really nicely on grass or uneven runways. > I would recommend you look carefully at the remote reservoir > for filling the brake cylinders. That's the only area where I could > have made a serious improvement and gotten an easier way to top > off the fluids. If you're using MC-5s, I'd have them add the intensifiers > or buy the kit and adapt them for more effective braking. > Best regards, > > Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Knezacek" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >> >> Larry, >> >> What wheels are you using? Matco or something else? >> >> What is the inside dimension of your forks? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Larry McFarland" >> To: >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >> >> >>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" >>> >>> >>> Dan, >>> The 8 x 4 wheels seem a bit ponderous with the wheel-barrow tires >>> seen on most. I used a 3.50 - 8 Michelin Tire called the S-83. >>> It's a scooter tire load rated at 375 lbs and has a decent radius & >>> slight >>> tread pattern. I also used tubes and purchased them all at the local >>> cycle >>> shop. You can see these at http://motous.webmichelin.com/tiress83.htm >>> Don't know about the bearing thing. Havn't had any problems with >>> the wheels or bearings to date. Sure like the tires though. >>> You can also see the tires at >>> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/pantforkbracketrh.gif >>> Please disregard the stickers still shown on the calipers as it was an >>> early >>> photo. >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dan Knezacek" >>> To: >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >>> >>> >>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >>>> >>>> I've been trying to find roller bearings for my wheels with a 1 3/8" >>>> bore >>>> and either 3/4" or 5/8" axle and have had no luck. I've been through >>>> the >>>> Timken and other bearing catalogues to no avail. I may have to go with >>>> other wheels. >>>> >>>> What are the dimensions for the matco wheels that most use? My forks >>>> are >>>> only about 4 1/2" wide, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error. >>>> With >>>> the 4.00 x 8 tires I have maybe 1/4" on either side. >>>> >>>> What tire size do the matco wheels fit? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> CH601HD, EA81 soob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:02 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: Howdy guys, The Matco web site is: http://mysite.elixirlabs.com/?uid=2192&page=433 The web site has some excellent technical support info, and the Matco guys are very helpful. The drawings page is: http://matco.elixirlabs.com/catalog/index.php?file=catalog&uid=2192&prod_pca tegory=69102&clist=0,68008,69102&uid=2192 They exchanged my Zenith supplied MC5s for MC4s and a MCR 100 reservoir, giving me full refund on the MC5s. They also have a nifty parking brake valve which works great. I mounted my reservoir on the firewall behind the engine on the pilots side. Pat S. 601XL Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Miller Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Larry, If you had to do it over, where would you locate the remote reservoir for the MC-5, and how would you tie it into your brake lines? How would you prevent fluid from being pushed into the reservoir (instead of into the brakes) when you apply brakes? I looked at the MC-5 info on the Spruce website (couldn't find a website for Matco) and didn't see any applicable info. Maybe you'd need something other than the MC-5? Thanks, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > > Dan, > I'm using the same dimensions, 123mm or 4.84" inside width > for the forks. I'm using the typical Matco wheels and brakes > and MC-5 brake cylinders. (W80CC-Z rears and NW80CC-Z nose) > They roll really nicely on grass or uneven runways. > I would recommend you look carefully at the remote reservoir > for filling the brake cylinders. That's the only area where I could > have made a serious improvement and gotten an easier way to top > off the fluids. If you're using MC-5s, I'd have them add the intensifiers > or buy the kit and adapt them for more effective braking. > Best regards, > > Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Knezacek" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >> >> Larry, >> >> What wheels are you using? Matco or something else? >> >> What is the inside dimension of your forks? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Larry McFarland" >> To: >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >> >> >>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" >>> >>> >>> Dan, >>> The 8 x 4 wheels seem a bit ponderous with the wheel-barrow tires >>> seen on most. I used a 3.50 - 8 Michelin Tire called the S-83. >>> It's a scooter tire load rated at 375 lbs and has a decent radius & >>> slight >>> tread pattern. I also used tubes and purchased them all at the local >>> cycle >>> shop. You can see these at http://motous.webmichelin.com/tiress83.htm >>> Don't know about the bearing thing. Havn't had any problems with >>> the wheels or bearings to date. Sure like the tires though. >>> You can also see the tires at >>> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/pantforkbracketrh.gif >>> Please disregard the stickers still shown on the calipers as it was an >>> early >>> photo. >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dan Knezacek" >>> To: >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >>> >>> >>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >>>> >>>> I've been trying to find roller bearings for my wheels with a 1 3/8" >>>> bore >>>> and either 3/4" or 5/8" axle and have had no luck. I've been through >>>> the >>>> Timken and other bearing catalogues to no avail. I may have to go with >>>> other wheels. >>>> >>>> What are the dimensions for the matco wheels that most use? My forks >>>> are >>>> only about 4 1/2" wide, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error. >>>> With >>>> the 4.00 x 8 tires I have maybe 1/4" on either side. >>>> >>>> What tire size do the matco wheels fit? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> CH601HD, EA81 soob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:28 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Bob, You're right Bob, the MC-5 would be difficult to connect the remote reservoir to one that has the built-in reservoir. If I'd used the basic brake cylinder without, the remote reservoir would be on the firewall like that of a Piper. You'll find Matco's site is www.matcomfg.com. The MC-5 brake cylinders wheels, calipers etc are all there. Using the search window, look for Zenith. Because I didn't see their remote reservoir by the time my brakes were installed, I had to devise use of a plastic syringe & plastic tubing fill my brake cylinders at the brake bleeder from the bottom up. One can do this while standing in front of the wing and reach around to check overflow without a great amount of difficulty, and it eliminates the bubbles you'd get trying to fill from the top. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" > > > Larry, > If you had to do it over, where would you locate the remote reservoir for > the MC-5, and how would you tie it into your brake lines? How would you > prevent fluid from being pushed into the reservoir (instead of into the > brakes) when you apply brakes? I looked at the MC-5 info on the Spruce > website (couldn't find a website for Matco) and didn't see any applicable > info. Maybe you'd need something other than the MC-5? > Thanks, > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry McFarland" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" >> >> >> Dan, >> I'm using the same dimensions, 123mm or 4.84" inside width >> for the forks. I'm using the typical Matco wheels and brakes >> and MC-5 brake cylinders. (W80CC-Z rears and NW80CC-Z nose) >> They roll really nicely on grass or uneven runways. >> I would recommend you look carefully at the remote reservoir >> for filling the brake cylinders. That's the only area where I could >> have made a serious improvement and gotten an easier way to top >> off the fluids. If you're using MC-5s, I'd have them add the >> intensifiers >> or buy the kit and adapt them for more effective braking. >> Best regards, >> >> Larry >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dan Knezacek" >> To: >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >> >> >>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >>> >>> Larry, >>> >>> What wheels are you using? Matco or something else? >>> >>> What is the inside dimension of your forks? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Dan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Larry McFarland" >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >>> >>> >>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan, >>>> The 8 x 4 wheels seem a bit ponderous with the wheel-barrow tires >>>> seen on most. I used a 3.50 - 8 Michelin Tire called the S-83. >>>> It's a scooter tire load rated at 375 lbs and has a decent radius & >>>> slight >>>> tread pattern. I also used tubes and purchased them all at the local >>>> cycle >>>> shop. You can see these at http://motous.webmichelin.com/tiress83.htm >>>> Don't know about the bearing thing. Havn't had any problems with >>>> the wheels or bearings to date. Sure like the tires though. >>>> You can also see the tires at >>>> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/pantforkbracketrh.gif >>>> Please disregard the stickers still shown on the calipers as it was an >>>> early >>>> photo. >>>> >>>> Larry >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dan Knezacek" >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >>>> >>>> >>>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >>>>> >>>>> I've been trying to find roller bearings for my wheels with a 1 3/8" >>>>> bore >>>>> and either 3/4" or 5/8" axle and have had no luck. I've been through >>>>> the >>>>> Timken and other bearing catalogues to no avail. I may have to go >>>>> with >>>>> other wheels. >>>>> >>>>> What are the dimensions for the matco wheels that most use? My forks >>>>> are >>>>> only about 4 1/2" wide, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error. >>>>> With >>>>> the 4.00 x 8 tires I have maybe 1/4" on either side. >>>>> >>>>> What tire size do the matco wheels fit? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> CH601HD, EA81 soob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:52 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hmmmm...a 'heavy-duty' radial ball bearing failed in only 24 hours? I'm inclined to believe it was a defective bearing, improper installation, or just a cheap piece of junque ! I have had excellent results in industrial applications with Nice bearings; try it !! Regards, Tracy do not archive In a message dated 2/24/2005 7:33:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan@knezacek.ca writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" No, but the (heavy duty) ball bearings failed after 24 hours. I'll check those out. Thanks, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com > > > Hello Dan: > > A Nice bearing # 1623 has a 5/8 bore and 1 3/8 OD that should be just > right. > Why do you need a Timken-style tapered roller bearing? I don't even > think > Harley-Davidson is still using tapered-roller bearings in thier wheels. > I > know BMW (motorcycle) transitioned decades ago. > > Here's a link to the drawing: > _http://www.rbcbearings.com/ballbearings/detail.asp?PartNumber=1623_ > (http://www.rbcbearings.com/ballbearings/detail.asp?PartNumber=1623) > > Looking at my XL drawings I have to believe they use a ball bearing with > the > factory kit. Did the 601HD require a tapered roller bearing? > > Just my .02 worth. > > Tracy Smith > Naugatuck, CT > 601XL tail 85% > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:45 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Alex, I can't say how well they will operate, but I have installed Azusa mechanical brakes. I built my landing gear and rudder pedals from scratch, so it was very simple to incorporate the brake cables into the design. I have sent pictures to Matronics photoshare, but don't know how long it takes to get them posted. I was planning on waiting until everything was painted - paint always hides minor fabrication flaws! Anyway, I used the same Azusa wheel and brake set up that they use in the Sonex. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/azusa.php $167.60 including tires. The kit is very light. I found cables online. They use a brake handle in the Sonex, and don't have differential braking, but I am partial to diff braking in taildraggers, so I incorporated them into my pedals. If the photoshare thing doesn't pop up, and you are interested, e-mail me, and I will send you the pictures. Again, nothing is tested. I am not looking to start a public theoretical debate over the merits of hydraulic brakes, just want sufficient braking for runup checks, ect... I hope to have positive feedback to the list on my spring gear and brakes sometime this year, but you all know how that goes. I haven't been in the garage in 2 weeks!!! Respectfully, Brandon Tucker 601 HDS Wings, tail complete Fuse on gear, control cables routed. __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:36 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" The ball bearings will fail quickly if you preload them like a taper-roller. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Knezacek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" > > No, but the (heavy duty) ball bearings failed after 24 hours. > > I'll check those out. > > Thanks, > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com >> >> >> Hello Dan: >> >> A Nice bearing # 1623 has a 5/8 bore and 1 3/8 OD that should be just >> right. >> Why do you need a Timken-style tapered roller bearing? I don't even >> think >> Harley-Davidson is still using tapered-roller bearings in thier wheels. >> I >> know BMW (motorcycle) transitioned decades ago. >> >> Here's a link to the drawing: >> _http://www.rbcbearings.com/ballbearings/detail.asp?PartNumber=1623_ >> (http://www.rbcbearings.com/ballbearings/detail.asp?PartNumber=1623) >> >> Looking at my XL drawings I have to believe they use a ball bearing with >> the >> factory kit. Did the 601HD require a tapered roller bearing? >> >> Just my .02 worth. >> >> Tracy Smith >> Naugatuck, CT >> 601XL tail 85% >> do not archive >> > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:16 PM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" I used an old plastic tank from an oil injection system on a motorcycle and about 5 feet of plastic tubing attached to the bleeder. I then used a coat hanger to suspend the tank at the same level as the master cylinders. It took about 30 minutes for gravity to do all the work. And because I used the semi-clear hose I could monitor the fluid as it got close to the master cylinder. Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Bob, You're right Bob, the MC-5 would be difficult to connect the remote reservoir to one that has the built-in reservoir. If I'd used the basic brake cylinder without, the remote reservoir would be on the firewall like that of a Piper. You'll find Matco's site is www.matcomfg.com. The MC-5 brake cylinders wheels, calipers etc are all there. Using the search window, look for Zenith. Because I didn't see their remote reservoir by the time my brakes were installed, I had to devise use of a plastic syringe & plastic tubing fill my brake cylinders at the brake bleeder from the bottom up. One can do this while standing in front of the wing and reach around to check overflow without a great amount of difficulty, and it eliminates the bubbles you'd get trying to fill from the top. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" > > > Larry, > If you had to do it over, where would you locate the remote reservoir for > the MC-5, and how would you tie it into your brake lines? How would you > prevent fluid from being pushed into the reservoir (instead of into the > brakes) when you apply brakes? I looked at the MC-5 info on the Spruce > website (couldn't find a website for Matco) and didn't see any applicable > info. Maybe you'd need something other than the MC-5? > Thanks, > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry McFarland" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" >> >> >> Dan, >> I'm using the same dimensions, 123mm or 4.84" inside width >> for the forks. I'm using the typical Matco wheels and brakes >> and MC-5 brake cylinders. (W80CC-Z rears and NW80CC-Z nose) >> They roll really nicely on grass or uneven runways. >> I would recommend you look carefully at the remote reservoir >> for filling the brake cylinders. That's the only area where I could >> have made a serious improvement and gotten an easier way to top >> off the fluids. If you're using MC-5s, I'd have them add the >> intensifiers >> or buy the kit and adapt them for more effective braking. >> Best regards, >> >> Larry >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dan Knezacek" >> To: >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >> >> >>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >>> >>> Larry, >>> >>> What wheels are you using? Matco or something else? >>> >>> What is the inside dimension of your forks? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Dan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Larry McFarland" >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >>> >>> >>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan, >>>> The 8 x 4 wheels seem a bit ponderous with the wheel-barrow tires >>>> seen on most. I used a 3.50 - 8 Michelin Tire called the S-83. >>>> It's a scooter tire load rated at 375 lbs and has a decent radius & >>>> slight >>>> tread pattern. I also used tubes and purchased them all at the local >>>> cycle >>>> shop. You can see these at http://motous.webmichelin.com/tiress83.htm >>>> Don't know about the bearing thing. Havn't had any problems with >>>> the wheels or bearings to date. Sure like the tires though. >>>> You can also see the tires at >>>> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/pantforkbracketrh.gif >>>> Please disregard the stickers still shown on the calipers as it was an >>>> early >>>> photo. >>>> >>>> Larry >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dan Knezacek" >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Wheels on 601 HD >>>> >>>> >>>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" >>>>> >>>>> I've been trying to find roller bearings for my wheels with a 1 3/8" >>>>> bore >>>>> and either 3/4" or 5/8" axle and have had no luck. I've been through >>>>> the >>>>> Timken and other bearing catalogues to no avail. I may have to go >>>>> with >>>>> other wheels. >>>>> >>>>> What are the dimensions for the matco wheels that most use? My forks >>>>> are >>>>> only about 4 1/2" wide, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error. >>>>> With >>>>> the 4.00 x 8 tires I have maybe 1/4" on either side. >>>>> >>>>> What tire size do the matco wheels fit? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> CH601HD, EA81 soob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:601 fuel cap leaks From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin You will get the fuel sloshing around in the tanks a bit while maneuvering , this and the low pressure area on the upper surface of the wing is helping to draw fuel out of the tanks. Putting a fairing around the fuel cap would likely make it worse due the the low pressure formed behind the fairing. The simplest solution would be to add a tube to the cap that points forward to slightly pressurize the tank. For the overfilling problem of the header tank, maybe you could add a float switch to turn on a warning light or buzzer when the tank is full. Hook it to the same circuit as the pump so shutting off the pump will shut off the warning. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > > Hi listers, > My leading edge wing tanks are 10 gallons but if I fill them > above 9.5 gallons or so they spew fuel for about 3 or 4 minutes after I > takeoff till the level goes down a bit. > If I built a fairing > around the cap to prevent air from flowing around the neck and cap I > wonder if it would cut down the leakage. > While on the fuel related questions-- I use two wing tanks to refill > the 8 gallon header tank thru the 1/4 inch fitting near the top of the > tank. When I accidentally overfill the header tank from the wing tanks > I get the same fuel venting from the cap. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive.