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1. 02:11 AM - fuel lines in 701 (Johann G.)
2. 04:14 AM - mechanical brakes (alex trent)
3. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: brakes (N5SL)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: Re:601 fuel cap leaks (ron dewees)
5. 05:46 AM - What'ch Look Fur? (Larry Martin)
6. 07:22 AM - 601 Checkout for insurance (charles.long@gm.com)
7. 07:35 AM - Brakes (Grant Corriveau)
8. 08:20 AM - Re: Brakes (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 10:45 AM - Re: fuel lines in 701 (thobias piek)
10. 12:12 PM - Re: fuel lines in 701 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
11. 12:53 PM - Re: fuel lines in 701 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
12. 02:30 PM - 701 brakes (Bil R)
13. 02:52 PM - Re: Canadian builder question (Peter Dolamore)
14. 04:44 PM - Re: Matco brake reservoir (Bob Miller)
15. 07:36 PM - Re: 601 Checkout for insurance (Tim & Diane Shankland)
16. 08:46 PM - OT: Flying Around Las Vegas (Todd Osborne)
17. 09:23 PM - Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas (Todd Osborne)
18. 09:48 PM - Flaperon control stop-801 (John Swartout)
19. 10:33 PM - Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas (Gary Gower)
20. 10:49 PM - Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas (Jim and Lucy)
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| Subject: | fuel lines in 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hello list members.
I am about to connect the fuel lines from my wing tanks to the D tank under the
dash.
This tank has three inlets on the side, one on top side and two on the bottom.
Then there is the outlet under the centre.
My question is, if I use no fuel pump from the wing tanks and hook the fuel lines
to the bottom two inlets, will the fuel flow uninterrupted with the gravity
force only? The idea was to use the top inlet as the breather line up to the
highest point in the wings.
The front tank does not have a filler cap, so all fuel must flow from the wing
tanks.
I am just curious to know if the fuel in the front tank will prevent the flow from
the wings when the inlet is submerged in fuel.
Thanks in advance,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | mechanical brakes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
I purchased this a/c finished with 11hrs in the log. The brakes were very
marginal and had difficulty holding even at idle. It has the same wheels and
brakes as you. I found by adjusting the brakes to just before dragging I could
get them to hold up to about 1900 prop rpm. Came very near a catastrophe the
first time I did some taxi tests because the brakes became non existent and
I actually broke the rudder pedal trying to get some brake. Shut off the engine
and stopped just prior to a ditch. I was between two hangers so there wasn't
much room to maneuver. I am in the process of changing the brake pedal arrangement
to try for a bit more mechanical advantage. The present set up has no
leverage at the pedal and relies on the lever at the brake for any help. The
brake actuating lever has been extended to 6 inches. My plan is to replace the
brake pedals of zac design and make new ones with a 3:1 lever at the pedal
and revert to the original lever at the brake. I also am going to look at changing
the wheels for an offset disk so I can get the brakes inside zac's supplied
forks. The present forks are much wider to accommodate the brakes. If I was
starting from scratch I would go hydraulic but this has become a challenge.
No photos in the photo section yet, have no idea how long it takes for them to
appear.
alex t.
ime: 07:09:45 PM PST US
From: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: brakes
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Alex,
I can't say how well they will operate, but I
have installed Azusa mechanical brakes. I built my
l
- paint always hides minor fabrication flaws!
Anyway, I used the same Azusa wheel and brake set
up that they use in the Sonex.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/azusa.php
$167.60 including tires. The kit is very light. I
me, and I will send you the pictures.
Again, nothing is tested. I am not looking to
s
in the garage in 2 weeks!!!
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
Wings, tail complete
Fuse on gear, control cables routed.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Brandon and Alex:
Email me your photos and I'll put them on my web site right away. I always like
seeing your work Brandon - you are doing a great job and are making great progress.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
N5SL (Reserved)
601XL/Corvair
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Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com> wrote:
If the photoshare thing doesn't pop up, and you are interested, e-mail
me, and I will send you the pictures.
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| Subject: | Re:601 fuel cap leaks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Bryan, Thanks so much for the great ideas. The float switch is a
good one. I'll look into it. My backup plan is a cork and wire thru
the cap that at least flags when it's full.
Ron
Bryan Martin wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
>You will get the fuel sloshing around in the tanks a bit while maneuvering ,
>this and the low pressure area on the upper surface of the wing is helping
>to draw fuel out of the tanks. Putting a fairing around the fuel cap would
>likely make it worse due the the low pressure formed behind the fairing. The
>simplest solution would be to add a tube to the cap that points forward to
>slightly pressurize the tank.
>
>For the overfilling problem of the header tank, maybe you could add a float
>switch to turn on a warning light or buzzer when the tank is full. Hook it
>to the same circuit as the pump so shutting off the pump will shut off the
>warning.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | What'ch Look Fur? |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
At least two or three times a week I get an e-mail from fellow builders asking
about finding different parts they saw on my site.
I am going to build a web page on my site called "What'ch Looking Fur?". Every
thing will be relative to 701/801s. It will be by type of item. For instance
there will be a line or two on engine mounts. Where to find them, who builds
them, approximate cost and application.
Something like this:
Fuel sending units, www.egauges.com, Zenith and PegaStol tanks, $24
SuperTrapp Mufflers, www.summitracing, $130
Compression Springs, www.mcmasters.com, 5 for $6,
And so on.
What I am looking for is sites and suggestions.
Larry N1345L
My Site www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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| Subject: | 601 Checkout for insurance |
20, 2004) at 02/25/2005 10:20:23 AM,
Serialize complete at 02/25/2005 10:20:23 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
I'm at the point of insuring my aircraft and making that first
flight in the next few weeks. My insurance company requires 2 hours of
dual in same Make and Model. Any instructors out there that can give me a
couple hours dual? I'm located in the Indianapolis area but would be
willing to drive anywhere within about a 300 mile radius. Since I'm also
an instructor, hopefully I can do the same for others once I get my time
flown off.
Thanks
Chuck Long
N601LE, 99.9% complete
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> No damage but it was a little close for comfort.
Frank,
Thanks for another warning. I think George Pinneo had a similar event a
year or so ago...?
FWIW, were your brake cylinders mounted on the arm of the rudder pedal or on
the floor? I modified mine when I first built them to place the bottom of
the brake cylinder on a braket mounted directly on the floor (on the
logeron), and cut off the attachment on the ruder pedal that was originally
designed to support the cylinder (of course being careful not to cut it off
too close and damage the integrity of the rudder tubing!)...
I figure this puts much of the pressure of my feet braking directly into the
longeron/floor rather than onto the joint of the rudder tubes. I also just
recently added the gussets as well.
I notice that the new Zenair models (and all Cessna's etc.) have the brake
cylinders mounted on the floor. One other advantage of this is that it
gives a more natural geometry to the way that the pedal works in conjunction
with rudder position. As the rudder pedal moves further away from your
foot, the brake pedal becomes easier to reach (i.e. helps to add braking in
the direction of a turn).
I made one other small change to the 'bar' at the top of my brake pedal that
attaches to the top plunger on the brake cylinder. I shortened this as much
as possible. This gives me more mechanical advantage with less
stroke/travel. There was never much need for 'stroke' just more pressure,
(I'm not going there! ;-) so I think this helps. I'm reasonably happy with
the amount of braking I get now. If I need more, I guess I'll be looking
into the Matco 'intensifier' thing too.
Glad you're safe and sound!
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Thanks Grant
Yes I do remember you mentioning your pedal mods sometime before and
thought they were a good idea but I had already installed mine.
Right now I want to spend as little time on the 601 as is resonably
safe. There are many improvements that can be made but I'm building an
RV and my heart is just not in the ZAC...I just need something to fly in
the meantime...:)
I have ordered the intensifiers and Larry Mcfarland sent me a adrawing
of an improved gusset design that I will will weld up.
I think this will be the fastest way back into the air.
I think my "for sale" sign might be hung on the prop at Arlington this
year..
Frank
601 HDS sport pilot friendly 351 hours
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant
Corriveau
Subject: Zenith-List: Brakes
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> No damage but it was a little close for comfort.
Frank,
Thanks for another warning. I think George Pinneo had a similar event a
year or so ago...?
FWIW, were your brake cylinders mounted on the arm of the rudder pedal
or on the floor? I modified mine when I first built them to place the
bottom of the brake cylinder on a braket mounted directly on the floor
(on the logeron), and cut off the attachment on the ruder pedal that was
originally designed to support the cylinder (of course being careful not
to cut it off too close and damage the integrity of the rudder
tubing!)...
I figure this puts much of the pressure of my feet braking directly into
the longeron/floor rather than onto the joint of the rudder tubes. I
also just recently added the gussets as well.
I notice that the new Zenair models (and all Cessna's etc.) have the
brake cylinders mounted on the floor. One other advantage of this is
that it gives a more natural geometry to the way that the pedal works in
conjunction with rudder position. As the rudder pedal moves further
away from your foot, the brake pedal becomes easier to reach (i.e. helps
to add braking in the direction of a turn).
I made one other small change to the 'bar' at the top of my brake pedal
that attaches to the top plunger on the brake cylinder. I shortened
this as much as possible. This gives me more mechanical advantage with
less stroke/travel. There was never much need for 'stroke' just more
pressure, (I'm not going there! ;-) so I think this helps. I'm
reasonably happy with the amount of braking I get now. If I need more, I
guess I'll be looking into the Matco 'intensifier' thing too.
Glad you're safe and sound!
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: fuel lines in 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "thobias piek" <thobgret@wanadoo.fr>
Johann,
I had problems filling the headertank by gravity in this setting, especialy
inflight, also look in the archives concerning this problem. It also depends
on
the diameter of your fuellines (1/4" is too small) and if you have the
oldfashioned fillercap on the wingtanks(negative pressure). I bought the
Andair-valve to feed directly from the wingtanks.
I got the impression that the fuellines block when they are filled with air
when you totally empty your wingtanks in your headertank which leads to a
disapointment during the next flight.
Thoby Piek
CH701, France
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Subject: Zenith-List: fuel lines in 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello list members.
>
> I am about to connect the fuel lines from my wing tanks to the D tank
under the dash.
> This tank has three inlets on the side, one on top side and two on the
bottom. Then there is the outlet under the centre.
> My question is, if I use no fuel pump from the wing tanks and hook the
fuel lines to the bottom two inlets, will the fuel flow uninterrupted with
the gravity force only? The idea was to use the top inlet as the breather
line up to the highest point in the wings.
> The front tank does not have a filler cap, so all fuel must flow from the
wing tanks.
> I am just curious to know if the fuel in the front tank will prevent the
flow from the wings when the inlet is submerged in fuel.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel lines in 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
>Hello Thoby.
Thank you very much for the information. This is very good to know from
someone who has been there and done it, before I complete my installation.
I would think that a way to eliminate the air in the fuel lines is to
install the feeder fuel line from wings to the D tank, in the highest
point inlet. That way the air would not be trapped in the lines from the
wing tanks.
Also I would not need a breather line from the D tank. The fuel would just
stop flowing from the wings when the D tank is full and the fuel lines
were full. Is this a correct assumption?
Looks like I will need new filler caps with some forced air pushing the
fuel its way.
Thank you very much,
Johann G.
Iceland.
>
> Johann,
>
> I had problems filling the headertank by gravity in this setting,
> especialy
> inflight, also look in the archives concerning this problem. It also
> depends
> on
> the diameter of your fuellines (1/4" is too small) and if you have the
> oldfashioned fillercap on the wingtanks(negative pressure). I bought the
> Andair-valve to feed directly from the wingtanks.
> I got the impression that the fuellines block when they are filled with
> air
> when you totally empty your wingtanks in your headertank which leads to a
> disapointment during the next flight.
>
> Thoby Piek
> CH701, France
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel lines in 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Wrong assumption on my part.
Forgot that my D tank does not have an air vent. So a fuel pump is the
only way to go??
Regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
Z 701
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bil R" <bilrags@intergate.com>
List,
I've got Matco wheels and brakes on my 701. Wont hold if I get the 912 above about
4,000 rpm. Called MATCO, they said teh geometry on the link from the pedal
to the master cyl should be as short as possible. Mine is about 2 inches.
He said to drill a hole closer to the master cyl in the link and braking will
be much improved.
Bil Ragsdale
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| Subject: | Canadian builder question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Dolamore" <petes15515@msn.com>
Paul, all enclosed areas need to be inspected prior to close up.
www.md-ra.com is a useful site as you need to register your intent to build
in Canada. Good luck, Peter. 701 tail and wings done.
>From: "Paul Riedlinger" <paulried@rogers.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question
>Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:56:24 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" <paulried@rogers.com>
>
>Hello everyone. I have been lurking for a while.
>
>I moved back to Canada (Toronto)after spending 11 years in the US. I am
>just playing around with the starter rudder kit for the 601XL. I am a bit
>confused with the inspection procedures in Canada. I am at the point where
>I am ready to skin the rudder. Can I go ahead and rivet it shut (to the
>plans show it is to be done) or do I have to leave it clecoed until it is
>inspected (with the rest of the tail).
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Paul Riedlinger
>paulried@rogers.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco brake reservoir |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Larry,
Many thanks. That's probably what I'll end up doing (eg, making a syringe
like you recommend and filling the cylinders from below), since I've already
paid for the MC5s!
Also thanks for the matco website.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Checkout for insurance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
Chuck,
About a year and a half ago I was able to get dual time in a 601 with
Jim Martin, 519-648-3649, up at Waterloo Regional Airport in Kitchener,
Canada.
Tim Shankland
charles.long@gm.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
>
> I'm at the point of insuring my aircraft and making that first
>flight in the next few weeks. My insurance company requires 2 hours of
>dual in same Make and Model. Any instructors out there that can give me a
>couple hours dual? I'm located in the Indianapolis area but would be
>willing to drive anywhere within about a 300 mile radius. Since I'm also
>an instructor, hopefully I can do the same for others once I get my time
>flown off.
>
>Thanks
>Chuck Long
>N601LE, 99.9% complete
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: Flying Around Las Vegas |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
Hey Folks,
I just got back from my vacation in Las Vegas and had a blast. The
weather was bad all week until Thursday, which was absolutely beautiful.
So much in fact, that I talked a local flight instructor at First Flight
Aviation at North Las Vegas airport into flying with me and my
girlfriend in a rented C-172. I am FAR from current or legal, and needed
a guide anyway. His name is Will, and if you ever want to go mountain
buzzing and sight-seeing in Vegas, look him up, he was great.
It had been a year since I flew last, and have only logged a few hours
in the past several years, so I told him to let me fly the plane, but
watch me like I was a pre-solo pilot, not a 15 year pilot :-) Happy to
say, it was like riding a bike, I did fine. Even the landing(s) was/were
great, err, acceptable.
Enough junk. My girl friend in the back seat took some wonderful
pictures of Las Vegas, Hoover Dam and Lake Mead, and Red Rock Canyon.
Yes, we flew the canyon which is FUN!!!!! All of my flying has been in
the east and midwest USA, so I have NEVER seen scenery like this before.
It was absolutely the best flight of my life. You guys that fly out
there all the time are dang lucky! Unless you have an engine failure,
then my prayers are with ya brothers, not many inviting places to put
down. Even the controllers at Nellis AFB and Las Vegas were great, with
the exception of a 2 minute north vector let me do whatever I wanted.
The controllers allowed me to make one turn around Hoover Dam. They said
one turn you are considered a tourist, two turns you are considered a
terrorist :-) They use the Statosphere hotel for a landmark, how did you
guys ever navigate before that was built? :-)
If you guys want to see the pictures you will need private access to my
web site. Just go to this link and you will be granted:
http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=EnablePrivateAccess
Then the direct link to the pictures is at
http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February/24%20Around%20Las%20Vegas%20in%20Rented%20Cessna%20(Including%20Lake%20Mead,%20Hoover%20Dam,%20and%20Red%20Rock%20Canyon)
I host this server myself, so if a lot of people go there you might get
an error, just come back again later. I am pretty happy with the way
they came out. Yes, I am pumped up, this was the best part of the trip!
do not archive
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Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
Oops, looks like one of the link I sent may have a problem. Use this
one, and then choose the link for the flight pictures. Sorry.
http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February
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Todd
Todd Osborne wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I just got back from my vacation in Las Vegas and had a blast. The
> weather was bad all week until Thursday, which was absolutely beautiful.
> So much in fact, that I talked a local flight instructor at First Flight
> Aviation at North Las Vegas airport into flying with me and my
> girlfriend in a rented C-172. I am FAR from current or legal, and needed
> a guide anyway. His name is Will, and if you ever want to go mountain
> buzzing and sight-seeing in Vegas, look him up, he was great.
>
> It had been a year since I flew last, and have only logged a few hours
> in the past several years, so I told him to let me fly the plane, but
> watch me like I was a pre-solo pilot, not a 15 year pilot :-) Happy to
> say, it was like riding a bike, I did fine. Even the landing(s) was/were
> great, err, acceptable.
>
> Enough junk. My girl friend in the back seat took some wonderful
> pictures of Las Vegas, Hoover Dam and Lake Mead, and Red Rock Canyon.
> Yes, we flew the canyon which is FUN!!!!! All of my flying has been in
> the east and midwest USA, so I have NEVER seen scenery like this before.
> It was absolutely the best flight of my life. You guys that fly out
> there all the time are dang lucky! Unless you have an engine failure,
> then my prayers are with ya brothers, not many inviting places to put
> down. Even the controllers at Nellis AFB and Las Vegas were great, with
> the exception of a 2 minute north vector let me do whatever I wanted.
> The controllers allowed me to make one turn around Hoover Dam. They said
> one turn you are considered a tourist, two turns you are considered a
> terrorist :-) They use the Statosphere hotel for a landmark, how did you
> guys ever navigate before that was built? :-)
>
> If you guys want to see the pictures you will need private access to my
> web site. Just go to this link and you will be granted:
>
> http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=EnablePrivateAccess
>
> Then the direct link to the pictures is at
>
> http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February/24%20Around%20Las%20Vegas%20in%20Rented%20Cessna%20(Including%20Lake%20Mead,%20Hoover%20Dam,%20and%20Red%20Rock%20Canyon)
>
> I host this server myself, so if a lot of people go there you might get
> an error, just come back again later. I am pretty happy with the way
> they came out. Yes, I am pumped up, this was the best part of the trip!
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Flaperon control stop-801 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Swartout" <jgswartout@earthlink.net>
Have any of you -801 builders installed the Rear Torque Tube Stop, P/N
8C9-5? There are no instructions for this part, and I would be
interested in a description of the installation by someone who has done
it. Seems like the placement would be nearly impossible to get right,
because a half-millimeter error in placement would magnify into a
several-degree error in flaperon deflection. I have had the wings and
flaperons on, with a trial fit of the control system for the flaperons,
but postponed positioning the 8C9-5 until the airframe is completely
riveted and bolted together.
(I am building/fitting/assembling large sections according to the
instructions, then disassembling and priming all parts before riveting
together-so essentially building the airplane twice. I wouldn't
recommend this to anyone. But since I'm doing it, some things really
can't be done until actual completion of a section.)
Thanks to all who help.
John
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Thanks a lot Todd, Great Photos.
Saludos
Gary Gower
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Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne
Oops, looks like one of the link I sent may have a problem. Use this
one, and then choose the link for the flight pictures. Sorry.
http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February
do not archive
Todd
Todd Osborne wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I just got back from my vacation in Las Vegas and had a blast. The
> weather was bad all week until Thursday, which was absolutely beautiful.
> So much in fact, that I talked a local flight instructor at First Flight
> Aviation at North Las Vegas airport into flying with me and my
> girlfriend in a rented C-172. I am FAR from current or legal, and needed
> a guide anyway. His name is Will, and if you ever want to go mountain
> buzzing and sight-seeing in Vegas, look him up, he was great.
>
> It had been a year since I flew last, and have only logged a few hours
> in the past several years, so I told him to let me fly the plane, but
> watch me like I was a pre-solo pilot, not a 15 year pilot :-) Happy to
> say, it was like riding a bike, I did fine. Even the landing(s) was/were
> great, err, acceptable.
>
> Enough junk. My girl friend in the back seat took some wonderful
> pictures of Las Vegas, Hoover Dam and Lake Mead, and Red Rock Canyon.
> Yes, we flew the canyon which is FUN!!!!! All of my flying has been in
> the east and midwest USA, so I have NEVER seen scenery like this before.
> It was absolutely the best flight of my life. You guys that fly out
> there all the time are dang lucky! Unless you have an engine failure,
> then my prayers are with ya brothers, not many inviting places to put
> down. Even the controllers at Nellis AFB and Las Vegas were great, with
> the exception of a 2 minute north vector let me do whatever I wanted.
> The controllers allowed me to make one turn around Hoover Dam. They said
> one turn you are considered a tourist, two turns you are considered a
> terrorist :-) They use the Statosphere hotel for a landmark, how did you
> guys ever navigate before that was built? :-)
>
> If you guys want to see the pictures you will need private access to my
> web site. Just go to this link and you will be granted:
>
> http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=EnablePrivateAccess
>
> Then the direct link to the pictures is at
>
> http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February/24%20Around%20Las%20Vegas%20in%20Rented%20Cessna%20(Including%20Lake%20Mead,%20Hoover%20Dam,%20and%20Red%20Rock%20Canyon)
>
> I host this server myself, so if a lot of people go there you might get
> an error, just come back again later. I am pretty happy with the way
> they came out. Yes, I am pumped up, this was the best part of the trip!
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
At 11:23 PM 2/25/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
>
>Oops, looks like one of the link I sent may have a problem. Use this
>one, and then choose the link for the flight pictures. Sorry.
>
>http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February
>
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All I get is this..............
You have not been authorized to view this section of ToddTown. Please
contact Todd to learn how you can gain access.
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