---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/25/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:11 AM - fuel lines in 701 (Johann G.) 2. 04:14 AM - mechanical brakes (alex trent) 3. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: brakes (N5SL) 4. 05:26 AM - Re: Re:601 fuel cap leaks (ron dewees) 5. 05:46 AM - What'ch Look Fur? (Larry Martin) 6. 07:22 AM - 601 Checkout for insurance (charles.long@gm.com) 7. 07:35 AM - Brakes (Grant Corriveau) 8. 08:20 AM - Re: Brakes (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 9. 10:45 AM - Re: fuel lines in 701 (thobias piek) 10. 12:12 PM - Re: fuel lines in 701 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) 11. 12:53 PM - Re: fuel lines in 701 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) 12. 02:30 PM - 701 brakes (Bil R) 13. 02:52 PM - Re: Canadian builder question (Peter Dolamore) 14. 04:44 PM - Re: Matco brake reservoir (Bob Miller) 15. 07:36 PM - Re: 601 Checkout for insurance (Tim & Diane Shankland) 16. 08:46 PM - OT: Flying Around Las Vegas (Todd Osborne) 17. 09:23 PM - Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas (Todd Osborne) 18. 09:48 PM - Flaperon control stop-801 (John Swartout) 19. 10:33 PM - Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas (Gary Gower) 20. 10:49 PM - Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas (Jim and Lucy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:53 AM PST US From: "Johann G." Subject: Zenith-List: fuel lines in 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." Hello list members. I am about to connect the fuel lines from my wing tanks to the D tank under the dash. This tank has three inlets on the side, one on top side and two on the bottom. Then there is the outlet under the centre. My question is, if I use no fuel pump from the wing tanks and hook the fuel lines to the bottom two inlets, will the fuel flow uninterrupted with the gravity force only? The idea was to use the top inlet as the breather line up to the highest point in the wings. The front tank does not have a filler cap, so all fuel must flow from the wing tanks. I am just curious to know if the fuel in the front tank will prevent the flow from the wings when the inlet is submerged in fuel. Thanks in advance, Johann G. Iceland. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:16 AM PST US From: alex trent Subject: Zenith-List: mechanical brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent I purchased this a/c finished with 11hrs in the log. The brakes were very marginal and had difficulty holding even at idle. It has the same wheels and brakes as you. I found by adjusting the brakes to just before dragging I could get them to hold up to about 1900 prop rpm. Came very near a catastrophe the first time I did some taxi tests because the brakes became non existent and I actually broke the rudder pedal trying to get some brake. Shut off the engine and stopped just prior to a ditch. I was between two hangers so there wasn't much room to maneuver. I am in the process of changing the brake pedal arrangement to try for a bit more mechanical advantage. The present set up has no leverage at the pedal and relies on the lever at the brake for any help. The brake actuating lever has been extended to 6 inches. My plan is to replace the brake pedals of zac design and make new ones with a 3:1 lever at the pedal and revert to the original lever at the brake. I also am going to look at changing the wheels for an offset disk so I can get the brakes inside zac's supplied forks. The present forks are much wider to accommodate the brakes. If I was starting from scratch I would go hydraulic but this has become a challenge. No photos in the photo section yet, have no idea how long it takes for them to appear. alex t. ime: 07:09:45 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: RE: brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Alex, I can't say how well they will operate, but I have installed Azusa mechanical brakes. I built my l - paint always hides minor fabrication flaws! Anyway, I used the same Azusa wheel and brake set up that they use in the Sonex. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/azusa.php $167.60 including tires. The kit is very light. I me, and I will send you the pictures. Again, nothing is tested. I am not looking to s in the garage in 2 weeks!!! Respectfully, Brandon Tucker 601 HDS Wings, tail complete Fuse on gear, control cables routed. > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:35 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Brandon and Alex: Email me your photos and I'll put them on my web site right away. I always like seeing your work Brandon - you are doing a great job and are making great progress. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com N5SL (Reserved) 601XL/Corvair DO NOT ARCHIVE Brandon Tucker wrote: If the photoshare thing doesn't pop up, and you are interested, e-mail me, and I will send you the pictures. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:45 AM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:601 fuel cap leaks --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Hi Bryan, Thanks so much for the great ideas. The float switch is a good one. I'll look into it. My backup plan is a cork and wire thru the cap that at least flags when it's full. Ron Bryan Martin wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > >You will get the fuel sloshing around in the tanks a bit while maneuvering , >this and the low pressure area on the upper surface of the wing is helping >to draw fuel out of the tanks. Putting a fairing around the fuel cap would >likely make it worse due the the low pressure formed behind the fairing. The >simplest solution would be to add a tube to the cap that points forward to >slightly pressurize the tank. > >For the overfilling problem of the header tank, maybe you could add a float >switch to turn on a warning light or buzzer when the tank is full. Hook it >to the same circuit as the pump so shutting off the pump will shut off the >warning. > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:12 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Zenith-List: What'ch Look Fur? 0.44 FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS Outlook can't send HTML in this format --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" At least two or three times a week I get an e-mail from fellow builders asking about finding different parts they saw on my site. I am going to build a web page on my site called "What'ch Looking Fur?". Every thing will be relative to 701/801s. It will be by type of item. For instance there will be a line or two on engine mounts. Where to find them, who builds them, approximate cost and application. Something like this: Fuel sending units, www.egauges.com, Zenith and PegaStol tanks, $24 SuperTrapp Mufflers, www.summitracing, $130 Compression Springs, www.mcmasters.com, 5 for $6, And so on. What I am looking for is sites and suggestions. Larry N1345L My Site www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Checkout for insurance From: charles.long@gm.com 20, 2004) at 02/25/2005 10:20:23 AM, Serialize complete at 02/25/2005 10:20:23 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com I'm at the point of insuring my aircraft and making that first flight in the next few weeks. My insurance company requires 2 hours of dual in same Make and Model. Any instructors out there that can give me a couple hours dual? I'm located in the Indianapolis area but would be willing to drive anywhere within about a 300 mile radius. Since I'm also an instructor, hopefully I can do the same for others once I get my time flown off. Thanks Chuck Long N601LE, 99.9% complete ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Brakes From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > No damage but it was a little close for comfort. Frank, Thanks for another warning. I think George Pinneo had a similar event a year or so ago...? FWIW, were your brake cylinders mounted on the arm of the rudder pedal or on the floor? I modified mine when I first built them to place the bottom of the brake cylinder on a braket mounted directly on the floor (on the logeron), and cut off the attachment on the ruder pedal that was originally designed to support the cylinder (of course being careful not to cut it off too close and damage the integrity of the rudder tubing!)... I figure this puts much of the pressure of my feet braking directly into the longeron/floor rather than onto the joint of the rudder tubes. I also just recently added the gussets as well. I notice that the new Zenair models (and all Cessna's etc.) have the brake cylinders mounted on the floor. One other advantage of this is that it gives a more natural geometry to the way that the pedal works in conjunction with rudder position. As the rudder pedal moves further away from your foot, the brake pedal becomes easier to reach (i.e. helps to add braking in the direction of a turn). I made one other small change to the 'bar' at the top of my brake pedal that attaches to the top plunger on the brake cylinder. I shortened this as much as possible. This gives me more mechanical advantage with less stroke/travel. There was never much need for 'stroke' just more pressure, (I'm not going there! ;-) so I think this helps. I'm reasonably happy with the amount of braking I get now. If I need more, I guess I'll be looking into the Matco 'intensifier' thing too. Glad you're safe and sound! -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Brakes From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Thanks Grant Yes I do remember you mentioning your pedal mods sometime before and thought they were a good idea but I had already installed mine. Right now I want to spend as little time on the 601 as is resonably safe. There are many improvements that can be made but I'm building an RV and my heart is just not in the ZAC...I just need something to fly in the meantime...:) I have ordered the intensifiers and Larry Mcfarland sent me a adrawing of an improved gusset design that I will will weld up. I think this will be the fastest way back into the air. I think my "for sale" sign might be hung on the prop at Arlington this year.. Frank 601 HDS sport pilot friendly 351 hours Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Corriveau Subject: Zenith-List: Brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > No damage but it was a little close for comfort. Frank, Thanks for another warning. I think George Pinneo had a similar event a year or so ago...? FWIW, were your brake cylinders mounted on the arm of the rudder pedal or on the floor? I modified mine when I first built them to place the bottom of the brake cylinder on a braket mounted directly on the floor (on the logeron), and cut off the attachment on the ruder pedal that was originally designed to support the cylinder (of course being careful not to cut it off too close and damage the integrity of the rudder tubing!)... I figure this puts much of the pressure of my feet braking directly into the longeron/floor rather than onto the joint of the rudder tubes. I also just recently added the gussets as well. I notice that the new Zenair models (and all Cessna's etc.) have the brake cylinders mounted on the floor. One other advantage of this is that it gives a more natural geometry to the way that the pedal works in conjunction with rudder position. As the rudder pedal moves further away from your foot, the brake pedal becomes easier to reach (i.e. helps to add braking in the direction of a turn). I made one other small change to the 'bar' at the top of my brake pedal that attaches to the top plunger on the brake cylinder. I shortened this as much as possible. This gives me more mechanical advantage with less stroke/travel. There was never much need for 'stroke' just more pressure, (I'm not going there! ;-) so I think this helps. I'm reasonably happy with the amount of braking I get now. If I need more, I guess I'll be looking into the Matco 'intensifier' thing too. Glad you're safe and sound! -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:12 AM PST US From: "thobias piek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel lines in 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "thobias piek" Johann, I had problems filling the headertank by gravity in this setting, especialy inflight, also look in the archives concerning this problem. It also depends on the diameter of your fuellines (1/4" is too small) and if you have the oldfashioned fillercap on the wingtanks(negative pressure). I bought the Andair-valve to feed directly from the wingtanks. I got the impression that the fuellines block when they are filled with air when you totally empty your wingtanks in your headertank which leads to a disapointment during the next flight. Thoby Piek CH701, France ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johann G." Subject: Zenith-List: fuel lines in 701 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." > > Hello list members. > > I am about to connect the fuel lines from my wing tanks to the D tank under the dash. > This tank has three inlets on the side, one on top side and two on the bottom. Then there is the outlet under the centre. > My question is, if I use no fuel pump from the wing tanks and hook the fuel lines to the bottom two inlets, will the fuel flow uninterrupted with the gravity force only? The idea was to use the top inlet as the breather line up to the highest point in the wings. > The front tank does not have a filler cap, so all fuel must flow from the wing tanks. > I am just curious to know if the fuel in the front tank will prevent the flow from the wings when the inlet is submerged in fuel. > > Thanks in advance, > Johann G. > Iceland. > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:38 PM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel lines in 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: >Hello Thoby. Thank you very much for the information. This is very good to know from someone who has been there and done it, before I complete my installation. I would think that a way to eliminate the air in the fuel lines is to install the feeder fuel line from wings to the D tank, in the highest point inlet. That way the air would not be trapped in the lines from the wing tanks. Also I would not need a breather line from the D tank. The fuel would just stop flowing from the wings when the D tank is full and the fuel lines were full. Is this a correct assumption? Looks like I will need new filler caps with some forced air pushing the fuel its way. Thank you very much, Johann G. Iceland. > > Johann, > > I had problems filling the headertank by gravity in this setting, > especialy > inflight, also look in the archives concerning this problem. It also > depends > on > the diameter of your fuellines (1/4" is too small) and if you have the > oldfashioned fillercap on the wingtanks(negative pressure). I bought the > Andair-valve to feed directly from the wingtanks. > I got the impression that the fuellines block when they are filled with > air > when you totally empty your wingtanks in your headertank which leads to a > disapointment during the next flight. > > Thoby Piek > CH701, France > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:01 PM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel lines in 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Wrong assumption on my part. Forgot that my D tank does not have an air vent. So a fuel pump is the only way to go?? Regards, Johann G. Iceland. Z 701 do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:59 PM PST US From: "Bil R" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bil R" List, I've got Matco wheels and brakes on my 701. Wont hold if I get the 912 above about 4,000 rpm. Called MATCO, they said teh geometry on the link from the pedal to the master cyl should be as short as possible. Mine is about 2 inches. He said to drill a hole closer to the master cyl in the link and braking will be much improved. Bil Ragsdale ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:43 PM PST US From: "Peter Dolamore" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Dolamore" Paul, all enclosed areas need to be inspected prior to close up. www.md-ra.com is a useful site as you need to register your intent to build in Canada. Good luck, Peter. 701 tail and wings done. >From: "Paul Riedlinger" >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:56:24 -0500 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" > >Hello everyone. I have been lurking for a while. > >I moved back to Canada (Toronto)after spending 11 years in the US. I am >just playing around with the starter rudder kit for the 601XL. I am a bit >confused with the inspection procedures in Canada. I am at the point where >I am ready to skin the rudder. Can I go ahead and rivet it shut (to the >plans show it is to be done) or do I have to leave it clecoed until it is >inspected (with the rest of the tail). > >Thanks > > >Paul Riedlinger >paulried@rogers.com > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:42 PM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Larry, Many thanks. That's probably what I'll end up doing (eg, making a syringe like you recommend and filling the cylinders from below), since I've already paid for the MC5s! Also thanks for the matco website. Bob ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:08 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Checkout for insurance --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland Chuck, About a year and a half ago I was able to get dual time in a 601 with Jim Martin, 519-648-3649, up at Waterloo Regional Airport in Kitchener, Canada. Tim Shankland charles.long@gm.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com > > I'm at the point of insuring my aircraft and making that first >flight in the next few weeks. My insurance company requires 2 hours of >dual in same Make and Model. Any instructors out there that can give me a >couple hours dual? I'm located in the Indianapolis area but would be >willing to drive anywhere within about a 300 mile radius. Since I'm also >an instructor, hopefully I can do the same for others once I get my time >flown off. > >Thanks >Chuck Long >N601LE, 99.9% complete > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:45 PM PST US From: Todd Osborne Subject: Zenith-List: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne Hey Folks, I just got back from my vacation in Las Vegas and had a blast. The weather was bad all week until Thursday, which was absolutely beautiful. So much in fact, that I talked a local flight instructor at First Flight Aviation at North Las Vegas airport into flying with me and my girlfriend in a rented C-172. I am FAR from current or legal, and needed a guide anyway. His name is Will, and if you ever want to go mountain buzzing and sight-seeing in Vegas, look him up, he was great. It had been a year since I flew last, and have only logged a few hours in the past several years, so I told him to let me fly the plane, but watch me like I was a pre-solo pilot, not a 15 year pilot :-) Happy to say, it was like riding a bike, I did fine. Even the landing(s) was/were great, err, acceptable. Enough junk. My girl friend in the back seat took some wonderful pictures of Las Vegas, Hoover Dam and Lake Mead, and Red Rock Canyon. Yes, we flew the canyon which is FUN!!!!! All of my flying has been in the east and midwest USA, so I have NEVER seen scenery like this before. It was absolutely the best flight of my life. You guys that fly out there all the time are dang lucky! Unless you have an engine failure, then my prayers are with ya brothers, not many inviting places to put down. Even the controllers at Nellis AFB and Las Vegas were great, with the exception of a 2 minute north vector let me do whatever I wanted. The controllers allowed me to make one turn around Hoover Dam. They said one turn you are considered a tourist, two turns you are considered a terrorist :-) They use the Statosphere hotel for a landmark, how did you guys ever navigate before that was built? :-) If you guys want to see the pictures you will need private access to my web site. Just go to this link and you will be granted: http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=EnablePrivateAccess Then the direct link to the pictures is at http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February/24%20Around%20Las%20Vegas%20in%20Rented%20Cessna%20(Including%20Lake%20Mead,%20Hoover%20Dam,%20and%20Red%20Rock%20Canyon) I host this server myself, so if a lot of people go there you might get an error, just come back again later. I am pretty happy with the way they came out. Yes, I am pumped up, this was the best part of the trip! do not archive -- Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:59 PM PST US From: Todd Osborne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne Oops, looks like one of the link I sent may have a problem. Use this one, and then choose the link for the flight pictures. Sorry. http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February do not archive Todd Todd Osborne wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne > > Hey Folks, > > I just got back from my vacation in Las Vegas and had a blast. The > weather was bad all week until Thursday, which was absolutely beautiful. > So much in fact, that I talked a local flight instructor at First Flight > Aviation at North Las Vegas airport into flying with me and my > girlfriend in a rented C-172. I am FAR from current or legal, and needed > a guide anyway. His name is Will, and if you ever want to go mountain > buzzing and sight-seeing in Vegas, look him up, he was great. > > It had been a year since I flew last, and have only logged a few hours > in the past several years, so I told him to let me fly the plane, but > watch me like I was a pre-solo pilot, not a 15 year pilot :-) Happy to > say, it was like riding a bike, I did fine. Even the landing(s) was/were > great, err, acceptable. > > Enough junk. My girl friend in the back seat took some wonderful > pictures of Las Vegas, Hoover Dam and Lake Mead, and Red Rock Canyon. > Yes, we flew the canyon which is FUN!!!!! All of my flying has been in > the east and midwest USA, so I have NEVER seen scenery like this before. > It was absolutely the best flight of my life. You guys that fly out > there all the time are dang lucky! Unless you have an engine failure, > then my prayers are with ya brothers, not many inviting places to put > down. Even the controllers at Nellis AFB and Las Vegas were great, with > the exception of a 2 minute north vector let me do whatever I wanted. > The controllers allowed me to make one turn around Hoover Dam. They said > one turn you are considered a tourist, two turns you are considered a > terrorist :-) They use the Statosphere hotel for a landmark, how did you > guys ever navigate before that was built? :-) > > If you guys want to see the pictures you will need private access to my > web site. Just go to this link and you will be granted: > > http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=EnablePrivateAccess > > Then the direct link to the pictures is at > > http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February/24%20Around%20Las%20Vegas%20in%20Rented%20Cessna%20(Including%20Lake%20Mead,%20Hoover%20Dam,%20and%20Red%20Rock%20Canyon) > > I host this server myself, so if a lot of people go there you might get > an error, just come back again later. I am pretty happy with the way > they came out. Yes, I am pumped up, this was the best part of the trip! > > do not archive > -- Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:36 PM PST US From: "John Swartout" Subject: Zenith-List: Flaperon control stop-801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Swartout" Have any of you -801 builders installed the Rear Torque Tube Stop, P/N 8C9-5? There are no instructions for this part, and I would be interested in a description of the installation by someone who has done it. Seems like the placement would be nearly impossible to get right, because a half-millimeter error in placement would magnify into a several-degree error in flaperon deflection. I have had the wings and flaperons on, with a trial fit of the control system for the flaperons, but postponed positioning the 8C9-5 until the airframe is completely riveted and bolted together. (I am building/fitting/assembling large sections according to the instructions, then disassembling and priming all parts before riveting together-so essentially building the airplane twice. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone. But since I'm doing it, some things really can't be done until actual completion of a section.) Thanks to all who help. John ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:42 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Thanks a lot Todd, Great Photos. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. Todd Osborne wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne Oops, looks like one of the link I sent may have a problem. Use this one, and then choose the link for the flight pictures. Sorry. http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February do not archive Todd Todd Osborne wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne > > Hey Folks, > > I just got back from my vacation in Las Vegas and had a blast. The > weather was bad all week until Thursday, which was absolutely beautiful. > So much in fact, that I talked a local flight instructor at First Flight > Aviation at North Las Vegas airport into flying with me and my > girlfriend in a rented C-172. I am FAR from current or legal, and needed > a guide anyway. His name is Will, and if you ever want to go mountain > buzzing and sight-seeing in Vegas, look him up, he was great. > > It had been a year since I flew last, and have only logged a few hours > in the past several years, so I told him to let me fly the plane, but > watch me like I was a pre-solo pilot, not a 15 year pilot :-) Happy to > say, it was like riding a bike, I did fine. Even the landing(s) was/were > great, err, acceptable. > > Enough junk. My girl friend in the back seat took some wonderful > pictures of Las Vegas, Hoover Dam and Lake Mead, and Red Rock Canyon. > Yes, we flew the canyon which is FUN!!!!! All of my flying has been in > the east and midwest USA, so I have NEVER seen scenery like this before. > It was absolutely the best flight of my life. You guys that fly out > there all the time are dang lucky! Unless you have an engine failure, > then my prayers are with ya brothers, not many inviting places to put > down. Even the controllers at Nellis AFB and Las Vegas were great, with > the exception of a 2 minute north vector let me do whatever I wanted. > The controllers allowed me to make one turn around Hoover Dam. They said > one turn you are considered a tourist, two turns you are considered a > terrorist :-) They use the Statosphere hotel for a landmark, how did you > guys ever navigate before that was built? :-) > > If you guys want to see the pictures you will need private access to my > web site. Just go to this link and you will be granted: > > http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=EnablePrivateAccess > > Then the direct link to the pictures is at > > http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February/24%20Around%20Las%20Vegas%20in%20Rented%20Cessna%20(Including%20Lake%20Mead,%20Hoover%20Dam,%20and%20Red%20Rock%20Canyon) > > I host this server myself, so if a lot of people go there you might get > an error, just come back again later. I am pretty happy with the way > they came out. Yes, I am pumped up, this was the best part of the trip! > > do not archive > -- Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:03 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy At 11:23 PM 2/25/2005 -0600, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne > >Oops, looks like one of the link I sent may have a problem. Use this >one, and then choose the link for the flight pictures. Sorry. > >http://www.toddtown.com/TWeb.aspx?Page=Explorer&Section=Private&SubDir=Pictures/2005/02%20February > >do not archive All I get is this.............. You have not been authorized to view this section of ToddTown. Please contact Todd to learn how you can gain access. do not archive