---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/27/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:36 AM - 701 Parts (Howard Carter) 2. 12:40 AM - Re: Canadian builder question (Bryan Martin) 3. 03:32 AM - C-GOXL from CYKF to 1H0 (Grant Corriveau) 4. 06:23 AM - Re: Variprime (Mike H) 5. 08:49 AM - Re: Cutting aluminum skins (John M. Goodings) 6. 09:27 AM - Re: C-GOXL from CYKF to 1H0 (Larry McFarland) 7. 10:28 AM - Re: C-GOXL from CYKF to 1H0 (Cdngoose) 8. 11:55 AM - Re: C-GOXL from CYKF to 1H0 (Gary Gower) 9. 02:09 PM - Re: Canadian builder question (NYTerminat@aol.com) 10. 03:34 PM - Re: Canadian builder question (cgalley) 11. 04:58 PM - Re: Canadian builder question (NYTerminat@aol.com) 12. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 13. 08:45 PM - Re: Canadian builder question (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:47 AM PST US From: Howard Carter Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Parts --> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter Attention: 701 scratch builders about to start the elevator and stabilator build (1) Rear spar for stab, 7H2-2, drilled with doublers 7H2-3 and -5. Also drilled for ribs. (1) Elevator spar, 7H2-8, drilled with with central doubler plate .025 (not on plans). Also drilled for ribs. These are ZAC parts, standard .016 6061-T6 material. Crate available, no charge. Both spars and doublers for sale for total $90.00, FOB Santa Clara CA. Contact me off-line if interested. Howard Carter howado@cwia.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin Are you an EAA member? If not you should be. The organization has some very valuable resources available to the membership. Find a local chapter and participate in their technical counselor program. You can invite a tech counselor out to look over your work in progess and get some tips and advice. The program is free and it never hurts to have another pair of eyes look over your work especially someone who has built his own plane before. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com > > I ALSO AM STARTING A 701,WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT IN THE STATES FOR > INSPECTIONS? I HAVE BUILT THE RUDDER,ELEVATOR AND STABILIZER. DO I NEED > INSPECTIONS? I > HAVE TAKEN PICTURES, IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? > > THANKS FOR YOUR HELP > > BOB -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: C-GOXL from CYKF to 1H0 From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau (if anyone cares to read the full 5 page(!) detailed description, email me and I'll send it to you.) 'Reader's Digest' version: I flew Art Mitchell's 601XL from Kitchener-Waterloo (CYKF) down to the Creve Couer airport (1H0) just west of St. Louis, Mo. on Wednesday, Feb. 23rd. I cleared customs at Sandusky, Ohio, stopped enroute at Marionville Municipal airport, Indiana (KMZZ), and at Greensville, Illinois (KGRE) to obtain permission from STL center to enter the mode C veil without a transponder. I arrived at Creve Couer (1H0) just before dark. During the last leg of the flight I had sudden mysterious rudder pedal vibrations which turned out to be a problem with the nose wheel fairing. Total flight time on GOXL worked out to 5H50 over a GPS distance of 570 nautical miles (655 statute miles?). Average fuel burn was 5.25 US gph, using 24 to 25 inches M.P. and 5000 engine RPM / 2,000 propellor RPM at 2,500 ft asl, more or less. (I don't know what % of power this represents). I was cruising at 135 mph (indicated) and getting and ground speeds varying between 110 and 130 mph. The average ground speed for the entire trip, according to GPS (not sure how this is calculated) was just under 100 kts (115 mph). Fuel consumption works out to over 27 airmiles per gallon - pretty efficient! Thanks to everyone who contributed to making this a very successful flight. Grant ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:56 AM PST US From: "Mike H" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Variprime --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" Glad to here you like it. I was planning on shooting all my parts with variprime right from the start. Can't wait to start! mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Zenith-List: Variprime > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" > > Hello all. I got a hold of some variprime. I had been using Acid etch, Alodine, and then paint cans. It wasn't too bad but the Variprime is much easier. I really like it. You mix equal parts of an etching agent and the paint. I then shot it with a HLVP touch up gun I got off of Ebay. It really turned out nice. > > Just about out of parts and the Elevator should be done tomorrow. Will pick up the rest of the kit in about a month. Time to clean up the shop and do some Honeydos. > > Cheers, > > Matt > www.zodiacxl.com > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:25 AM PST US From: "John M. Goodings" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting aluminum skins --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" My 2 cents, in building my CH601HD. I don't like snips, and almost never used them. I built mostly from kits. For cutting 99% of 0.025 and 0.016" Al, I used an ordinary 10 or 12" hack-saw blade fitted with a wooden handle (home made); fast, clean, accurate, cheap, easy! To come up to the line, I used a body file mounted on a piece of 1 x 2" wood (about 10 x 1.5", the kind with the half-moon cutters right across the width; two were used for the whole aircraft); fast, clean, accurate, cheap, easy! John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Toronto/Waterloo. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:22 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: C-GOXL from CYKF to 1H0 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" What engine and prop combination was being used? Larry McFarland Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Corriveau" Subject: Zenith-List: C-GOXL from CYKF to 1H0 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > (if anyone cares to read the full 5 page(!) detailed description, email me > and I'll send it to you.) > > 'Reader's Digest' version: > > I flew Art Mitchell's 601XL from Kitchener-Waterloo (CYKF) down to the > Creve > Couer airport (1H0) just west of St. Louis, Mo. on Wednesday, Feb. 23rd. > > I cleared customs at Sandusky, Ohio, stopped enroute at Marionville > Municipal airport, Indiana (KMZZ), and at Greensville, Illinois (KGRE) to > obtain permission from STL center to enter the mode C veil without a > transponder. I arrived at Creve Couer (1H0) just before dark. During the > last leg of the flight I had sudden mysterious rudder pedal vibrations > which > turned out to be a problem with the nose wheel fairing. > > Total flight time on GOXL worked out to 5H50 over a GPS distance of 570 > nautical miles (655 statute miles?). Average fuel burn was 5.25 US gph, > using 24 to 25 inches M.P. and 5000 engine RPM / 2,000 propellor RPM at > 2,500 ft asl, more or less. (I don't know what % of power this > represents). > I was cruising at 135 mph (indicated) and getting and ground speeds > varying > between 110 and 130 mph. The average ground speed for the entire trip, > according to GPS (not sure how this is calculated) was just under 100 kts > (115 mph). Fuel consumption works out to over 27 airmiles per gallon - > pretty efficient! > > Thanks to everyone who contributed to making this a very successful > flight. > > Grant > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:40 AM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: C-GOXL from CYKF to 1H0 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Grant, sorry to have missed you, I got to CYKF as you were departing the runway. Larry, Arts 601XL had a Rotax 912S with the Chezk inflight adj sport prop. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com do not archive -----Original Message----- --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" What engine and prop combination was being used? Larry McFarland Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:34 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: C-GOXL from CYKF to 1H0 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Grant, Please send one to me, I will appreciate it very much. Saludos Gary Gower ggower_99@yahoo.com Do not archive. Grant Corriveau wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau (if anyone cares to read the full 5 page(!) detailed description, email me and I'll send it to you.) 'Reader's Digest' version: I flew Art Mitchell's 601XL from Kitchener-Waterloo (CYKF) down to the Creve Couer airport (1H0) just west of St. Louis, Mo. on Wednesday, Feb. 23rd. I cleared customs at Sandusky, Ohio, stopped enroute at Marionville Municipal airport, Indiana (KMZZ), and at Greensville, Illinois (KGRE) to obtain permission from STL center to enter the mode C veil without a transponder. I arrived at Creve Couer (1H0) just before dark. During the last leg of the flight I had sudden mysterious rudder pedal vibrations which turned out to be a problem with the nose wheel fairing. Total flight time on GOXL worked out to 5H50 over a GPS distance of 570 nautical miles (655 statute miles?). Average fuel burn was 5.25 US gph, using 24 to 25 inches M.P. and 5000 engine RPM / 2,000 propellor RPM at 2,500 ft asl, more or less. (I don't know what % of power this represents). I was cruising at 135 mph (indicated) and getting and ground speeds varying between 110 and 130 mph. The average ground speed for the entire trip, according to GPS (not sure how this is calculated) was just under 100 kts (115 mph). Fuel consumption works out to over 27 airmiles per gallon - pretty efficient! Thanks to everyone who contributed to making this a very successful flight. Grant --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:36 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com THANKS FOR THE ADVICE. I AM AN EAA MEMBER BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY LOCAL CLUB WHERE I LIVE IN UPSTATE NY. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:38 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" Try this list so I don't have to check each for being in up state New York Chapter Click for more info City Web site EAA 674 Albion, NY EAA 1169 Batavia, NY EAA 953 Bath, NY EAA 46 Buffalo, NY http://www.eaa46.org/ EAA 1006 Claverack, NY EAA 1070 Cooperstown, NY EAA 602 Edinburg, NY http://www.eaa602.org EAA 362 Fulton, NY EAA 486 Fulton, NY http://www.EAAChapter486.com EAA 146 Ghent, NY http://www.eaa146.org EAA 353 Glens Falls, NY http://www.geocities.com/eaa_353/index.html EAA 1204 Hamilton, NY EAA 533 Horseheads, NY http://www.eaa533.org/ EAA 811 Ithaca, NY EAA 1359 Kingston, NY EAA 594 Long Island, NY EAA 107 Marcellus, NY EAA 500 Massena, NY EAA 504 Middlesex, NY EAA 1280 Montgomery, NY EAA 44 Rochester, NY http://www.eaa44.org EAA 528 Suffolk County, NY EAA 294 Utica, NY EAA 246 Wappingers Falls, NY EAA 69 Warwick, NY EAA 1017 Weedsport, NY http://www.eaa1017.org/ EAA 1140 White Lake, NY EAA 1081 White Plains, NY Cy Galley EAA Safety Programs Editor Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot As a member you can always go to the website, find chapters. http://www.eaa.org/chapter/ It is under members only. You will need last name and EAA member number. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question > --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com > > THANKS FOR THE ADVICE. I AM AN EAA MEMBER BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY > LOCAL CLUB WHERE I LIVE IN UPSTATE NY. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:46 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com THANK YOU FOR THE LIST, IT LOOKS LIKE ITHACA IS THE CLOSEST TO ME (ABOUT 25 MI. AWAY) I WILL LOOK THEM UP. ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IS WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO BUY THE ROTAX 912ULS FOR A CH-701? IS IT WORTH SHOPPING AROUND OR IS ZENITH'S PRICES GOOD? THANKS AGAIN BOB SPUDIS ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:57 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Ok so there I was about to pull my brake pedals out to go weld 'em back up...Realised of course thet I had to remove the rad first...Of course didn't have the right tools but finally got it off..removed padals then noticed the distinct but tiny drip of coolant on the front of the rad...AAARG!...I'm sure I didn't damage it but sure enough there is a tiny weep in the front corner.... I assume there is little point in trying to save the thing so I have two questions 1) Is there a way to save these rads 2) What is the rad from....I thought it was a 1500 VW diesel but the local parts place could not find it on their computer....Didn't help that I didn't know the year either. Thanks Frank ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:27 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canadian builder question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower All the prices in Rotax are the same, we bought our engine from ZAC (complete firewall forward and instrument kits) and it was complete and with no problems, I mean with this that the engine and instruments were installed and worked as spected... Also, buying the engine from ZAC you have the waranty and service support from Rotax. We had a modification (AD?) of our engine, done by the local distributor with the same service as if it was bought from him. Just my point of view. Saludos Gary Gower. NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com THANK YOU FOR THE LIST, IT LOOKS LIKE ITHACA IS THE CLOSEST TO ME (ABOUT 25 MI. AWAY) I WILL LOOK THEM UP. ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IS WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO BUY THE ROTAX 912ULS FOR A CH-701? IS IT WORTH SHOPPING AROUND OR IS ZENITH'S PRICES GOOD? THANKS AGAIN BOB SPUDIS