---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/28/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:31 AM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 2. 05:23 AM - Woodcomp CS Prop - excellent! (Grant Corriveau) 3. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir (Robert Schoenberger) 4. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 5. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir (Larry McFarland) 6. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir (Dave & Darlene) 7. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 8. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir/ rad. leak (Aaron) 9. 10:59 AM - Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas (Traveling Man) 10. 01:47 PM - Woodcomp CS Prop - excellent (norman) 11. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir (Aluminum radiators) (Gary Gower) 12. 03:42 PM - Made the Pilgrimage (kevinbonds) 13. 05:10 PM - flying with Michel Therrien (Danny Dubois) 14. 06:06 PM - Re: flying with Michel Therrien (Michel Therrien) 15. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Matco brake reservoir (DICK WILBERS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:10 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Frank: If you are fairly certain this radiator is from a VW Diesel, the people that know these parts better than anyone are: Parts Place Auburn Hills, MI 248-373-3269 Call them with the dimensions and location of the filler neck (if any) and they can help you. If your radiator is aluminum with plastic tanks repairs are just about impossible, I believe. Good luck. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601xl tail 85% do not archive In a message dated 2/27/2005 10:12:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, frank.hinde@hp.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Ok so there I was about to pull my brake pedals out to go weld 'em back up...Realised of course thet I had to remove the rad first...Of course didn't have the right tools but finally got it off..removed padals then noticed the distinct but tiny drip of coolant on the front of the rad...AAARG!...I'm sure I didn't damage it but sure enough there is a tiny weep in the front corner.... I assume there is little point in trying to save the thing so I have two questions 1) Is there a way to save these rads 2) What is the rad from....I thought it was a 1500 VW diesel but the local parts place could not find it on their computer....Didn't help that I didn't know the year either. Thanks Frank ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:08 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Woodcomp CS Prop - excellent! From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > What engine and prop combination was being used? Hi Larry, The engine is a Rotax 912S. The prop is called Woodcomp. It is a three-bladed composite surface over some sort of wood core (if I understand correctly). It is actually a constant speed propellor. For anyone on the list who might not know, that means that the prop includes a system of automatic inflight adjustment of the blade angle, which will work to keep the prop spinning at a selected rpm. So, as the throttle is opened or closed, and assuming the prop hasn't reached the limits of it's adjustment capability, you see the tachometer remain steady, but the manifold pressure gauge goes up or down accordingly. Manifold pressure and rpm must be taken together to know what percent of full engine power is being used. Because the Rotax has a drive reduction unit, there are actually two rpm readings of interest. On GOXL there is an engine RPM gauge next to the man. press. and there is another small electronic combination prop. tach and control unit which electronically displays prop actual rpm, and various other information. On this flight the climb rpm was being regulated to 2350, which held the Rotax rpm right below redline. When transitioning to cruise, I just had to tap on the control button, and the prop would begin to change to 2,000 rpm. Actually it was initially set to even slower... maybe 1800-1900 or so. But it is completely 'editable' by the pilot, and I thought that there was just a little bit of 'lugging' felt in the vibes at the lower rpm, so I tweeked it up just a bit. Beyond editing the pre-programmed rpms for climb and cruise, the pilot can switch the prop to manual mode. In that case you can then tap on 'up' and 'down' buttons to set whatever prop angle you like as indicated by rpm. This is about all I know of the prop after using it on this one day. I can say that it was remarkably smooth and simple to operate and sure seems to maximize the aircraft's performance and efficiency. (p.s. I am not an employee of Woodcomp, nor am I being paid for this endorsement!!! ;-) -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:13 AM PST US From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" Frank . . . .Back in the days when I was poor and buying new (to me) tires from the junk yard for $2 - $3, I used a product called Bards (Barrs?) which looks like rabbit droppings in a black liquid in a small jar to stop radiator leaks. I'm not sure I'd want to use this with an airplane, but the stuff never failed to hold. That's a decision you'll have to make. If the leak is really small, there might not be much risk if monitored both visually and temperature wise. There are radiator shops which do repair these guys. Robert Schoenberger 701 50% do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Ok so there I was about to pull my brake pedals out to go weld 'em back > up...Realised of course thet I had to remove the rad first...Of course > didn't have the right tools but finally got it off..removed padals then > noticed the distinct but tiny drip of coolant on the front of the > rad...AAARG!...I'm sure I didn't damage it but sure enough there is a > tiny weep in the front corner.... > > I assume there is little point in trying to save the thing so I have two > questions > > 1) Is there a way to save these rads > 2) What is the rad from....I thought it was a 1500 VW diesel but the > local parts place could not find it on their computer....Didn't help > that I didn't know the year either. > > Thanks > > Frank > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:10 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Robert: You were right the second time...it's called Barr's Stop Leak and yes, it seems to work !! Have you had success with local radiator shops repairing aluminum radiators with plastic tanks? Around here the answer is always NO. Lucky dog..(only kidding !!) Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601xl tail 85% do not archive In a message dated 2/28/2005 9:36:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, hrs1@frontiernet.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" Frank . . . .Back in the days when I was poor and buying new (to me) tires from the junk yard for $2 - $3, I used a product called Bards (Barrs?) which looks like rabbit droppings in a black liquid in a small jar to stop radiator leaks. I'm not sure I'd want to use this with an airplane, but the stuff never failed to hold. That's a decision you'll have to make. If the leak is really small, there might not be much risk if monitored both visually and temperature wise. There are radiator shops which do repair these guys. Robert Schoenberger 701 50% do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Ok so there I was about to pull my brake pedals out to go weld 'em back > up...Realised of course thet I had to remove the rad first...Of course > didn't have the right tools but finally got it off..removed padals then > noticed the distinct but tiny drip of coolant on the front of the > rad...AAARG!...I'm sure I didn't damage it but sure enough there is a > tiny weep in the front corner.... > > I assume there is little point in trying to save the thing so I have two > questions > > 1) Is there a way to save these rads > 2) What is the rad from....I thought it was a 1500 VW diesel but the > local parts place could not find it on their computer....Didn't help > that I didn't know the year either. > > Thanks > > Frank > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:15 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Frank, After checking for VW Rabbit Diesel engine in my auto parts store search, I find the year 1986 works for this radiator. ZAC would sell you another probably not to expensive as I remember. Larry McFarland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Ok so there I was about to pull my brake pedals out to go weld 'em back > up...Realised of course thet I had to remove the rad first...Of course > didn't have the right tools but finally got it off..removed padals then > noticed the distinct but tiny drip of coolant on the front of the > rad...AAARG!...I'm sure I didn't damage it but sure enough there is a > tiny weep in the front corner.... > > I assume there is little point in trying to save the thing so I have two > questions > > 1) Is there a way to save these rads > 2) What is the rad from....I thought it was a 1500 VW diesel but the > local parts place could not find it on their computer....Didn't help > that I didn't know the year either. > > Thanks > > Frank > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:40 AM PST US From: "Dave & Darlene" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" Hi Frank In my experience with any rad stop leak it's only a temporary fix. It will work for a while but it will eventually start again and you don't want this happening when your up in the air. It will also let go if your rad ever gets too hot or the pressure rises for unknown reasons. A good rad shop will re-core the rad for you at a reasonable cost and then you've got a new one again. As long as the tanks on the ends are in good shape then you won't have a problem re-coring it. They just sweat it off and add new cores. I've had it done long ago and it it's just as good as new. If there's a rad shop around you, then check it out. It's not worth the risk for a few dollars. Dave (Alberta) 99% to go www.borrowmyhusband.com/Nimigon_601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" > > > Frank . . . .Back in the days when I was poor and buying new (to me) tires > from the junk yard for $2 - $3, I used a product called Bards (Barrs?) > which > looks like rabbit droppings in a black liquid in a small jar to stop > radiator leaks. I'm not sure I'd want to use this with an airplane, but > the > stuff never failed to hold. That's a decision you'll have to make. If the > leak is really small, there might not be much risk if monitored both > visually and temperature wise. There are radiator shops which do repair > these guys. Robert Schoenberger 701 50% > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >> >> >> Ok so there I was about to pull my brake pedals out to go weld 'em back >> up...Realised of course thet I had to remove the rad first...Of course >> didn't have the right tools but finally got it off..removed padals then >> noticed the distinct but tiny drip of coolant on the front of the >> rad...AAARG!...I'm sure I didn't damage it but sure enough there is a >> tiny weep in the front corner.... >> >> I assume there is little point in trying to save the thing so I have two >> questions >> >> 1) Is there a way to save these rads >> 2) What is the rad from....I thought it was a 1500 VW diesel but the >> local parts place could not find it on their computer....Didn't help >> that I didn't know the year either. >> >> Thanks >> >> Frank >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:34 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hi larry: 1986?? I show the Rabbit went out of production in '84. No matter, the '86 Gulf diesel shows 2 different radiators available - with or without A/C. Parts Place shows new at $140 to $180 with used being about 1/2 that. I hope this helps Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601xl tail 85% do not archive In a message dated 2/28/2005 9:43:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, larrymc@qconline.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Frank, After checking for VW Rabbit Diesel engine in my auto parts store search, I find the year 1986 works for this radiator. ZAC would sell you another probably not to expensive as I remember. Larry McFarland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Ok so there I was about to pull my brake pedals out to go weld 'em back > up...Realised of course thet I had to remove the rad first...Of course > didn't have the right tools but finally got it off..removed padals then > noticed the distinct but tiny drip of coolant on the front of the > rad...AAARG!...I'm sure I didn't damage it but sure enough there is a > tiny weep in the front corner.... > > I assume there is little point in trying to save the thing so I have two > questions > > 1) Is there a way to save these rads > 2) What is the rad from....I thought it was a 1500 VW diesel but the > local parts place could not find it on their computer....Didn't help > that I didn't know the year either. > > Thanks > > Frank ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:24 AM PST US From: "Aaron" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir/ rad. leak --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" >>>>> .Back in the days when I was poor and buying new (to me) tires from the junk yard for $2 - $3, I used a product called Bards (Barrs?) which looks like rabbit droppings in a black liquid in a small jar to stop radiator leaks.<<<<< There is another product put out by, I beleive, the same people that is better IMO than the rabbit pellets. It is a pill about the size of a quarter3/8" thick I saw a demonstration of this compared to other stop leak products and unlike the other products, it never plugged the flow but did stop the leaks. It is even recomended as a routine additive, as it has chemicals to replace those that deterioate in the antifreeze. From my experience w/ it , I would not hesitate to put it in my aircraft (but would run the engine on ground before flying). Aaron do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:16 AM PST US From: "Traveling Man" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OT: Flying Around Las Vegas --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man" I have to agree with you on all counts Todd. Every spring some friends and I head to Las Vegas for a weekend of gambling. Last year I met a builder in Las Vegas (Roy Engelke, you are the MAN! My most sincere thanks once again) who showed me around his beautiful Zodiac, and then offered me a ride. He even let me take the controls for a bit. We flew across a very tall ridge to an airport community, visited with a friend of his there and then headed back to Henderson field (where he was based). Beautiful, but very univiting for engine out scearios. I'm in Chicago, and there is nothiong like that kind of scenery within a days flying. I do treasure that experience. Bob Lindley Still nothing but a rudder, sigh. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:07 PM PST US From: "norman" Subject: Zenith-List: Woodcomp CS Prop - excellent --> Zenith-List message posted by: "norman" Hi All, The Woodcomp website for those interested is -www.woodcomp.cz I have this combination fitted to my XL and I am very pleased with it. Norman ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:34 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir (Aluminum radiators) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower The problem with the aluminum radiators is that they leak because of corrosion (sometimes the use of plain water or low quality of atifreeze, time also) once the corrosion beguins is useless to repair. the cooper ones (old cars) sometimes leaked because of welds (vibration) or that the veins got little breaks... corrosion was almost non existent, this little leakes could be repaired with this products or rewelded... In fact a common mantainace was to removethe welings from the tanks, clean the tanks and the veins and reweld the tanks in place. sometimes some beaten veins were "closed"... The newer aluminum have only one repair: Change for a new one:-( When the aluminum rad of our Minivan failed last year, I had a new cooper one custom build by a friend. Is heavy but will outlive the Minivan. Saludos Gary Gower. Robert Schoenberger wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" --------------------------------- Frank . . . .Back in the days when I was poor and buying new (to me) tires from the junk yard for $2 - $3, I used a product called Bards (Barrs?) which looks like rabbit droppings in a black liquid in a small jar to stop radiator leaks. I'm not sure I'd want to use this with an airplane, but the stuff never failed to hold. That's a decision you'll have to make. If the leak is really small, there might not be much risk if monitored both visually and temperature wise. There are radiator shops which do repair these guys. Robert Schoenberger 701 50% do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Ok so there I was about to pull my brake pedals out to go weld 'em back > up...Realised of course thet I had to remove the rad first...Of course > didn't have the right tools but finally got it off..removed padals then > noticed the distinct but tiny drip of coolant on the front of the > rad...AAARG!...I'm sure I didn't damage it but sure enough there is a > tiny weep in the front corner.... > > I assume there is little point in trying to save the thing so I have two > questions > > 1) Is there a way to save these rads > 2) What is the rad from....I thought it was a 1500 VW diesel but the > local parts place could not find it on their computer....Didn't help > that I didn't know the year either. > > Thanks > > Frank > > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:34 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: Zenith-List: Made the Pilgrimage --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Hello All Just wanted to let everyone know that Clyde Barcus and I made the pilgrimage from Nashville Tn to Edgewater Fla this past weekend. William spent a lot of time with us explaining his rebuilding techniques and giving us a tour of the shop. Unfortunately we did not get a chance to fly the ZenVair (it was having wheel pants installed). That was kind of a bummer since we are both building XL's. It was nice just to see his shop and meet his crew. Now I know what some of the other guys were talking about when they described William. I could tell that he takes a lot of pride in what he is doing. He has a lot invested in aviation (especially homebuilding) and does not take his job (if you can call it that) lightly. Anyone who owns his manual knows he spends a lot of time philosophizing on aviation. After you meet him, you get a sense that he actually means what he says and it's not all a bunch of marketing jive. I think this is important in our field. It's the reason I went to meet William. I figured I should probably meet the guy from which I'm going to take such important advice. I know there is only so much I can gleam from a couple of hours (actually about 3) spent with someone (and that ultimately it is my responsibility to build a safe engine), but it is good, at least, to see that he is genuine in his intentions. I can safely say that there has been an exhausting amount of thought put into building a safe and reliable alternative engine by some friends of mine down in Florida. I feel indebted to anyone whom has done as much to help me realize my dream. Thanks, William. Kevin Bonds Nashville Tn 601XL Plansbuilder ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:23 PM PST US From: "Danny Dubois" Subject: Zenith-List: flying with Michel Therrien --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Danny Dubois" HI, gents This Sunday i had a nice ride in a ch601 hd, the one Michel build. I did find Michel pretty good piloting is airplane specialy with a big cross wind, both at take-off and landing The wind soc was totally at horrital and at an angle of 90 degree. And the plane fly great, so what a boost I did get to continue building (I'm building slowly but surely) Just imagine I brouth my camera and just after 50 min. of flying I realise I did not take any picture. So I had 15 min to take some photo... Thank you Michel And Happy building and flying to the list DO NOT ARCHIVE -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:08 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: flying with Michel Therrien --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Thanks Danny for the nice words and I would say too nice when you talk about yesterday's landing. It's true that "they" say a good landing is one where you can still walk after getting out of the plane. An excellent one is one where the plane itself is reusable. ;-) I put the picture you took of us as my daily picture (it won't be there for long!). We can see that we can sit two guys that are just a bit more than standard passenger weight in there! Michel do not archive --- Danny Dubois wrote: > This Sunday i had a nice ride in a ch601 hd, the one > Michel built. ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:46 PM PST US From: "DICK WILBERS" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" The stuff is called "Bars Leak". It was a viscous base with the pellets. You are right, it always worked. Best...............Dick Wilbers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" > > > Frank . . . .Back in the days when I was poor and buying new (to me) tires > from the junk yard for $2 - $3, I used a product called Bards (Barrs?) > which > looks like rabbit droppings in a black liquid in a small jar to stop > radiator leaks. I'm not sure I'd want to use this with an airplane, but > the > stuff never failed to hold. That's a decision you'll have to make. If the > leak is really small, there might not be much risk if monitored both > visually and temperature wise. There are radiator shops which do repair > these guys. Robert Schoenberger 701 50% > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Matco brake reservoir > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" >> >> >> Ok so there I was about to pull my brake pedals out to go weld 'em back >> up...Realised of course thet I had to remove the rad first...Of course >> didn't have the right tools but finally got it off..removed padals then >> noticed the distinct but tiny drip of coolant on the front of the >> rad...AAARG!...I'm sure I didn't damage it but sure enough there is a >> tiny weep in the front corner.... >> >> I assume there is little point in trying to save the thing so I have two >> questions >> >> 1) Is there a way to save these rads >> 2) What is the rad from....I thought it was a 1500 VW diesel but the >> local parts place could not find it on their computer....Didn't help >> that I didn't know the year either. >> >> Thanks >> >> Frank >> >> >> > > >