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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: Zenith brake pedal modifications (Cdngoose)
2. 04:54 AM - For Sale (Lowell Metz)
3. 05:24 AM - 1H0 (Grant Corriveau)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (N5SL)
5. 06:17 AM - Re: For Sale (Doon47@aol.com)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: 801 pre-purchase inspection (n801bh@netzero.com)
7. 06:50 AM - Brake Pedal Geometry - According to our lord Matco (David Barth)
8. 07:15 AM - Re: Rivets (Rick)
9. 08:17 AM - Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Bill Howerton)
10. 08:20 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
11. 08:44 AM - Spam (Tom Faulkner)
12. 08:50 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Paul Riedlinger)
13. 09:04 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Stanley Challgren)
14. 09:35 AM - about Sale (etn industries ltd.)
15. 09:42 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Craig Payne)
16. 09:42 AM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (Lance Gingell)
17. 09:56 AM - More on spam (Zed Smith)
18. 09:56 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Trevor Page)
19. 10:23 AM - Re: Flaperon control stop-801 (Tom Faulkner)
20. 10:32 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Gary Gower)
21. 10:59 AM - Re: For Sale (MXSportPilot@aol.com)
22. 11:13 AM - Re: Rivets (Leo J. Corbalis)
23. 11:57 AM - Rivets (Clyde Barcus)
24. 12:08 PM - Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Article (Alternative Engines) (Cory Emberson)
25. 12:34 PM - Re: about Sale (Dirk Slabbert)
26. 12:52 PM - The "building a 701 question" (Zed Smith)
27. 01:01 PM - Re: about Sale (James Ferris)
28. 01:03 PM - Re: The "building a 701 question" (N5SL)
29. 01:28 PM - Re: about Sale (Craig Payne)
30. 01:57 PM - Re: Rivets (Monty Graves)
31. 02:38 PM - Sorry (kevinbonds)
32. 02:47 PM - Somewhat off topic (kevinbonds)
33. 02:51 PM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (BillSewell@aol.com)
34. 04:27 PM - 701 Electric Flaps (Hal Rozema)
35. 04:42 PM - Re: Somewhat off topic (Cdngoose)
36. 06:19 PM - Re: 701 Electric Flaps (Larry Martin)
37. 06:19 PM - Re: Somewhat off topic (Larry Martin)
38. 06:19 PM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Larry Martin)
39. 06:20 PM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (N5SL)
40. 06:32 PM - Kitfox vs. CH701 (Clifford Dow)
41. 06:36 PM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Gary Gower)
42. 07:18 PM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (Lance Gingell)
43. 07:20 PM - Re: Somewhat off topic (ron dewees)
44. 07:50 PM - Re: Rivets (Tim & Diane Shankland)
45. 09:42 PM - Re: Kitfox vs. CH701 (Richard Broom)
46. 11:23 PM - Re: Rivets (Graham Kirby)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith brake pedal modifications |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Ron , send them to cdngoose@osprey2.com and I will get them posted on
the www.ch601.org website
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Craig,
My Bad! Forgot that the list won't take attachments. I can send them
to individuals or maybe 601.org will host them? Any other ideas?
Ron
do not archive
Craig Payne wrote:
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
ZAC folks,
As some of you know I am more of a builder than a flyer so the time has come
to sell the 701 and get into the challenges of a new project. I am selling
my 701 / 912 UL/S. It has about 80 hours on it and that number will rise as I
fly it several times a week.
Swing up doors , hard points for float option , electric pitch trim , Warp
Dr. 3 blade prop , Vernier throttle , Electric TC , Vacuum Artificial horizon,
VSI , ASI , ALT, Vert Card Compass , Whiskey Compass, Grand Rapids ESI with
fuel flow and fuel totalizer , Becker comm intercom , Becker TPX with Mode "C"
( certified ) Ameriking ELT with the portable antenna and panel remote , Garmin
196 GPS , fire extinguisher , strobes , landing lights , Smoked lexan overhead
window, wing tanks and header tank.
Please , just serious buyers , that want a good honest plane for $49,000.00
Lowell Metz
South west Florida
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Hi Gary,
It was a very quick visit, but sorry I didn't have a chance to meet or see
your airplane/project. The new owner for Art's plane is Bill Adams - a heck
of a nice fellow. If you see him say 'hi' for me... I hope he enjoys the
aircraft. It's a fine example of a 601.
I don't know much about the LSA rules, but the prop can be run in manual
mode where you can set the prop angle and then leave it alone - if that
would satisfy the rule...
regards,
Grant
> I am based at 1H0, and I am sorry I missed you. I did see Art's (Flypass)
> airplane, though, and I wondered about something - since it is an XL, does
> the variable pitch prop disqualify it for LSA?
>
> Next time you do ferry duty, let me know and I'll buy you dinner!
>
> Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Lance:
I wanted to take a closer look at where you are in the construction process, but
when I click on your small photo, it comes back with "Page not Found." I'll
take a stab at it anyway since I'm past this point (although you are catching
up to me fast!).
The upright channels you are talking about face forward and mount in front of the
rear frame channel (6-B-5-2) and upper channel (6-B-5-3) which both face backwards.
I mean by backwards that the flange points towards the back. Also in
this fun bunch of parts is the attach plate for the back of the wing (6-B-5-4).
Have we covered all of the numbers on 6-B-5 yet? I think I did the most
head-scratching at this point in the construction process mostly because it's
easy to confuse the seat back group of parts with the rear channel parts and the
assembly manual jumps back and forth between them.
To address your question, I suspect you are seeing the flange of the uprights and
mistaking them for "L" angle. The flanges on the uprights are not 90 degrees,
so it would be difficult to fit a 90 deg. "L" angle inside of them. The
fun will really kick in when you start installing your flap actuator parts behind
this rear channel assembly. There are a few "L" angles back there at the
bottom along with a flap control bearing that gets riveted into the mix. Jump
over to 6-B-19 and study the placement of parts and you will see what I mean.
The best advice I can give you at this point is to look ahead and plan your work
carefully. Many of the holes you drill will have consequences in other parts,
so make sure you plan for edge distance on any parts that will be attached
now or later (flap parts). Here is an example of many parts coming together in
the area you are working on right now:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_6_04_FlapBearing.JPG
Up until this point in the fuselage I was really moving fast. It's best to take
your time and plan your holes so that everything lines up and you don't end
up with a hole at the edge of a part that attaches later. Match-drill as much
as you can. I try to avoid drilling holes in parts until everything is clamped
or taped together to get a feel for where all the parts go. Sorry I don't
have a photo of the area you are looking for, but if you don't have this resolved
by this evening I'll take a photo of it during the commercials of "Survivor."
I just wish you were ahead of me since your web site and photos are excellent and
I enjoy studying them.
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (Reserved)
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
601XL/Corvair
Working on the Instrument panel
Lance Gingell <lgingell@matrix-logic.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
List, I'm fitting 6B5-6, the upright channels on my XL. I had to trim
them a little. Now, the photo guide really isn't clear about drilling
them to the rear channel.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Doon47@aol.com
LOWELL - It shouldn't last long. CHIP
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| Subject: | Re: 801 pre-purchase inspection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Howdy,
I am looking at a finished 801 for sale. Any particular areas of
interest or concern to watch for during a pre-purchase inspection?
Thanks,
Ron Weich
Las Cruces, NM
Which plane is this???????????
Ben Haas N801BH
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| Subject: | Brake Pedal Geometry - According to our lord Matco |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
There have been some questions on brake pedal geometry and the Matco rep pointed me to their drawings. I have linked to them on the Builders Resources pages of the ch601.org website. http://www.ch601.org/builder%20resources.htm There are also some brake system assembly drawings you may find useful.
david
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim & Diane Shankland" <tshank@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland
> <tshank@megsinet.net>
>
> Fred,
> Check the archives, there are numerous vendors who sell the rivets at a
> fraction the price. I have no problem paying a mark up when there is a
> value added, but high mark ups for mere pass through are unnecessary.
>
> Tim Shankland
>
As a scratch builder with questions about assembly and modifications, I
figured the few extra pennies were more than repaid when I called ZAC with
questions. Value added by tech support was partially repaid by buying the
rivets from ZAC, the mark-up isn't much. The convenience and peace of mind
were worth it for me.
YMMV
Rick
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| Subject: | Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other
day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails
from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have
been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The
subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from
various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You
visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI.
Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate
from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in
Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin
got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen
scraping on this list, it would make sense.
So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
I've seen Zero - even the spam filter is empty.
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 85%
do not archive
In a message dated 3/3/2005 11:18:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Bill@Howerton.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other
day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails
from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have
been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The
subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from
various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You
visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI.
Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate
from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in
Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin
got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen
scraping on this list, it would make sense.
So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
Bill: I got bombed with exactly the same thing over the weekend.
Tom Faulkner
N801TP
19 hrs
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| Subject: | Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" <paulried@rogers.com>
None for me either. In general you need to get a good spam filter and then
you will not see them regardless.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Howerton
Subject: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other
day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails
from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have
been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The
subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from
various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You
visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI.
Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate
from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in
Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin
got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen
scraping on this list, it would make sense.
So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
Listers:
I get no spam; but then I have a Macintosh. Good time to switch is
when number of spams exceed real messages.
Stan
On Mar 3, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Bill Howerton wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>
> Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the
> other
> day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton"
> e-mails
> from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently
> have
> been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The
> subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from
> various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You
> visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI.
>
> Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to
> originate
> from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in
> Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these
> vermin
> got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen
> scraping on this list, it would make sense.
>
> So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
just to let u folks know something about "outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99
yrs lease} a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india , {bangalore
again} for about 44000 usd only , that includes all standard equipment ,all documentation,
flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight add between
1000 to 1500 depending whereever in world you wanna ship it.
agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im not associated with it in anyways
and this email is just for information only im not being paid/oblidged or
even know anyone in agniaviation.
p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build but build from kit , how comethey
do it so cheap ?
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
I'm afraid you are confusing spam with viruses. Spam doesn't care where
it is going, it just needs an e-mail address.
-- Craig
Stanley Challgren wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
>
> Listers:
>
> I get no spam; but then I have a Macintosh. Good time to switch is
> when number of spams exceed real messages.
>
> Stan
> On Mar 3, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Bill Howerton wrote:
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>>
>>Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the
>>other
>>day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton"
>>e-mails
>>from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently
>>have
>>been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The
>>subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from
>>various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You
>>visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI.
>>
>>Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to
>>originate
>>from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in
>>Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these
>>vermin
>>got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen
>>scraping on this list, it would make sense.
>>
>>So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Upright Channel 6B5-6 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Thanks Scott,
My larger images are on a slower site, so it may have timed out. This
should be remedied soon.
Your picture does help - I have a much better visual. I'll take note of
your advice on the flap stuff too. I looked at that page on the plans
last night briefly, went green, then flipped back!
Glad you like the site. I think between the few of us (yourself included
of course) that have good photo-documentaries, we must have all the
missing pictures from the guides! Bill Sewell is ahead of me at just the
right pace (thanks Bill, keep going!)
"I just wish you were ahead of me" - I don't watch survivor, so I may be
soon!
Cheers,
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upright Channel 6B5-6
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Lance:
I wanted to take a closer look at where you are in the construction
process, but when I click on your small photo, it comes back with "Page
not Found." I'll take a stab at it anyway since I'm past this point
(although you are catching up to me fast!).
The upright channels you are talking about face forward and mount in
front of the rear frame channel (6-B-5-2) and upper channel (6-B-5-3)
which both face backwards. I mean by backwards that the flange points
towards the back. Also in this fun bunch of parts is the attach plate
for the back of the wing (6-B-5-4). Have we covered all of the numbers
on 6-B-5 yet? I think I did the most head-scratching at this point in
the construction process mostly because it's easy to confuse the seat
back group of parts with the rear channel parts and the assembly manual
jumps back and forth between them.
To address your question, I suspect you are seeing the flange of the
uprights and mistaking them for "L" angle. The flanges on the uprights
are not 90 degrees, so it would be difficult to fit a 90 deg. "L" angle
inside of them. The fun will really kick in when you start installing
your flap actuator parts behind this rear channel assembly. There are a
few "L" angles back there at the bottom along with a flap control
bearing that gets riveted into the mix. Jump over to 6-B-19 and study
the placement of parts and you will see what I mean.
The best advice I can give you at this point is to look ahead and plan
your work carefully. Many of the holes you drill will have consequences
in other parts, so make sure you plan for edge distance on any parts
that will be attached now or later (flap parts). Here is an example of
many parts coming together in the area you are working on right now:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_6_04_FlapBearing.JPG
Up until this point in the fuselage I was really moving fast. It's best
to take your time and plan your holes so that everything lines up and
you don't end up with a hole at the edge of a part that attaches later.
Match-drill as much as you can. I try to avoid drilling holes in parts
until everything is clamped or taped together to get a feel for where
all the parts go. Sorry I don't have a photo of the area you are
looking for, but if you don't have this resolved by this evening I'll
take a photo of it during the commercials of "Survivor."
I just wish you were ahead of me since your web site and photos are
excellent and I enjoy studying them.
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (Reserved)
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
601XL/Corvair
Working on the Instrument panel
Lance Gingell <lgingell@matrix-logic.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
List, I'm fitting 6B5-6, the upright channels on my XL. I had to trim
them a little. Now, the photo guide really isn't clear about drilling
them to the rear channel.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
List...
An internet guru (his self-appointed title) told me that getting, or not getting,
these messages depended in large measure to how your provider screened stuff.
That is to say, these spammers write some self-propagating program that ends
up snowballing and therefore looks for e-mail addresses to attach a message
to.
He said that there might be several hours between the spam starting and the provider
actually taking active steps to block it.....in that interval we, some of
us, get hit.
I'm sure THAT made sense, but bottom line was that I "reported as spam" each of
the e-mails and then clicked the "block this source" box provided by my ISP.
That nearly stopped it all in a matter of two days.
None of the messages ever actually made it to me, they were held in a "suspect
e-mail file" for me to make some disposition.
It might be noteworthy that here in my office we never got any of that stuff.....different
provider from my personal account. I do, however, access my personal
account via the office. That's where the Ms Hilton, the FBI, Matronics, and
even "Microsoft Security" showed up.
Young Miss Hilton probably deserves the attention, especially since she has no
other qualifications.
Three cheers and a free beer for firewalls. And if you work for the FBI, I got
you blocked!
do not archive
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Same here, I'm on a Mac. I don't worry about viruses,spam and spyware.
Switched a few years ago, never looking back ;)
Trevor Page
601HD 99% complete
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Mar 3, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Stanley Challgren wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren
> <challgren@mac.com>
>
> Listers:
>
> I get no spam; but then I have a Macintosh. Good time to switch is
> when number of spams exceed real messages.
>
> Stan
> On Mar 3, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Bill Howerton wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>>
>> Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the
>> other
>> day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton"
>> e-mails
>> from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently
>> have
>> been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses.
>> The
>> subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from
>> various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or
>> "You
>> visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI.
>>
>> Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to
>> originate
>> from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in
>> Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these
>> vermin
>> got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen
>> scraping on this list, it would make sense.
>>
>> So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flaperon control stop-801 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
John: I don't know if you got any other responses to this, but the best I
can recall, I mounted the flaperon stop as one of the last things by
clamping it in the correct position for stopping one side then filling the
other side until it stopped in the correct position. It is a difficult
position to work in, but doable.
Tom Faulkner
N801TP
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Bill,
Me two, but with the yahoo spam control they go to a spam inbox in my e-mail account,
this way I delete this mails without even opening them, mostly come
with an attachment of about 27 to 40 (?) size, i supose there is where the potential
virus/worm comes, is important not to open this attachments, then they
will "use" your address book for they own, this is the way they get new "coustumers".
I also check the subject of this mails before delete them, sometimes the "good"
mail from the lists get "filtered" there, so I just move this specific mails
back to "inbox", no big deal, just time consuming.
If not deleted, the spam mail is deleted automaticaly by Yahoo when they get 7days
old. but I check and delete them daily.
This spamers are automatic programs, so we have to learn to leave with them and
delete them before opening, to prevent getting the worm or virus in our computer
and give them addresses fro free..
Is part of intenet I supose.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
do not archive
Bill Howerton <Bill@Howerton.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton"
Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other
day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails
from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have
been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The
subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from
various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You
visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI.
Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate
from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in
Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin
got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen
scraping on this list, it would make sense.
So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: MXSportPilot@aol.com
Hi Lowell,
Sounds like a nice plane. I am just a lurkier on the list and I wondered if you
would mind a few questions on the Zenith. After a lot of soul searching I have
made up my mind that the 701 is going to be my first home built. I also like
the 601 but the wife would rather have a high wing so there you have it.
Is the building the Zenith tough for the first timer? I have read from so many
how much they enjoyed building I got to think its a hoot. I found a company
in Italy that got license on the 701 and have changed the tail design a little
and offer a kit that has match hole construction. ICP is the company. The
Savannah. However great their kit is I need to buy sub kits and the Zenith sure
is affordable going with the sub kits. Hope you don't mind my ramblings
Mr. Lowell! I plan to do what ever I have to on this. I love flying, I am 54
and have been thinking about it since I was 30. At least I got started flying
ultralight a few years ago and like low and slow flying! Seems like the 701
fits that to a T. I have 70 hrs about in my older Quicksilver Mx. Most of my
hours where last year as my first year I had an accident on my motorcycle on
the way to the airport! The good Lord was looking out for me and I only have
to live with a fractured collar bone. Could have been a lot worse. Went to my
first funeral for flying buddies last month as we lost a student and the instructor
teaching flex wing at the airport. Woodbine NJ. I can't wait to get going
with the 701, something the wife and I can enjoy just seeing the sights and
being able to fold the wing and trailer behind a Winnabago someday.
Take care and best wishes for your next project.
Bob Brasher
Pemberton NJ
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I once bought some rivets from another source. They were dome headed. I used
them and had to remove a bunch. THEN I found out that the stem broke off
close to the top of the head. So what ? Well when you try to drill the head
off, your drill bit hits the steel stem and the bit wanders off on to the
sheet metal. Miserable to remove.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim & Diane Shankland" <tshank@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland
<tshank@megsinet.net>
>
> Fred,
> Check the archives, there are numerous vendors who sell the rivets at a
> fraction the price. I have no problem paying a mark up when there is a
> value added, but high mark ups for mere pass through are unnecessary.
>
> Tim Shankland
>
>
> Fred B. wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred B." <taildragger601@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Listers; Have a question. Am getting materials to scratch build the
601. How many rivets do I need to order? Other than ZAC, is there a
(cheaper) source for the primo rivets that ZAC recpmmends? Appteciate any
comments as to the ease of the home depot wood brake; any plans sources?
All help appreciated, thanks... Found the CH601.org, will order aluminum
per the listed materials...Assembling tools, table, and ideas. Thanks.
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
In my opinion, Zac rivets backed up by their testing is a good deal even if you
pay a little more. I have been working with their rivets for about a year now
and I have found the rivets to be very consistent. I determined early on that
I could pull A-4 rivets at 40 pounds and A-5 at 60 pounds, this was the minimum
pressure the rivets could be pulled. I use a good quality pressure gauge and
only 1 pound less on either one and it does not work, on there other hand,
I seldom encounter a rivet that requires 1 or 2 pounds more to work. When that
happens I increase pressure, pull the rivet, and readjust the pressure to minimum
again.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL Builder
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| Subject: | Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Article (Alternative |
Engines)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hello everyone,
I've subscribed (quietly) to this list for a little more than a year, and
would like to hear from you if you're a builder who has successfully
installed and flown an alternative engine in your plane. I'm writing a
builder's roundup for Kitplanes magazine, and am looking for an installation
that's flown for a minimum of 150 hours, and is currently flying.
For the builders that we profile, the magazine will also be able to pay you
$100 for the write-up. We would also need at least 2-3 good photos,
including a close-up of the engine and an overall shot of the aircraft.
Additional photos would be great, and all photos will be returned. If you
have digital photos, it is very important that they be high-resolution, at
least 300 dpi.
I have a list of specific areas to address if you'd like to participate, but
we can handle that off-line.
Please feel free to contact me off-line at:
cory @ lightspeededit.com (remove the spaces - my anti-spam protection)
or reply offline to my list email address.
I have a rather short deadline, so if you're able to contact me as soon as
you're able, I would greatly appreciate it!
Thank you so much!
best,
Cory Emberson
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Never ever go this way, we've seen enough of indian, chinese junk dumped in this
country, never mind the craftmanship, which is non existant.
Kick this guy off the list.
Dirk.
(Bush pilot in Africa)
----- Original Message -----
From: etn industries ltd.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: about Sale
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
just to let u folks know something about "outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99
yrs lease} a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india , {bangalore
again} for about 44000 usd only , that includes all standard equipment ,all
documentation, flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight add between
1000 to 1500 depending whereever in world you wanna ship it.
agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im not associated with it in
anyways and this email is just for information only im not being paid/oblidged
or even know anyone in agniaviation.
p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build but build from kit , how comethey
do it so cheap ?
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| Subject: | The "building a 701 question" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
do not archive
Boy, am I on a roll today!! (A really slow day at the office)
A gentleman asked about the 701........
Let me be so bold as to offer the following:
First of all, go to a Zenith "Rudder Workshop" and get your feet wet.
The wife might enjoy the trip (never hurts to butter up the better half).
Secondly, the entire Zenith line is well designed and has good documentation.
Drawings and photos have been updated and improved on a continuing basis.
I would venture that well in excess of 95% of the North American builders use Zenith
exclusively for airframe stuff if they are "kit builders".
The scratch-built guys are somewhat more adventuresome; they defy gravity in their
love of building. But I digress.
If you ever had the opportunity to see the "Discovery Wings" segment of a few years
ago where, as I recall, somebody in Africa built a 701 using only a hand riveter
and a
battery-powered drill with a solar re-charger, then you will readily see that nearly,
notice
that I said "nearly", anybody with access to Wall-Mart, Home Depot or Lowes and
a decent Internet
connection can put one together.
The 701 will fly with about 40 horsepower, most use the 80hp Rotax 912.
The 801 is MUCH bigger and requires a large-wallet engine.
Can't speak for the 601, but lots of other guys on this list can.
If you want "speed" look elsewhere. Cars on the interstate will outrun a 701.
Bottom line is that the Zenith workshop is the cheapest way to make your decision.
All on this list crossed that bridge at some point in our own decision-making process,
and you are the fellow that'll have to make the ultimate choice.
To be fair, there has, from time to time, been some ZAC-bashing. Personally I
don't think any of it was mean-spirited or intended to imply that there was anything
amiss with Zenith, rather, some of us, me included,
have on occasion aimed our frustrations at anything that made a good stationary
target.
That said, "Yes" I would build another 701. I just need to get this one finished
first. It is really tough going when your son (read that "assistant") takes
a different job and moves to another State, and you don't have help every weekend.
Golly, I should write a weekly newspaper column under some pen name.
Anyway, that's how you acquire a lover with the approval of your wife.
Zed/701/R912/90+%
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
He is right ,if you can chose betweem and Indian and a
cobra? always chose the cobra.
--- Dirk Slabbert <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
> <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
> Never ever go this way, we've seen enough of indian,
> chinese junk dumped in this country, never mind the
> craftmanship, which is non existant.
> Kick this guy off the list.
> Dirk.
> (Bush pilot in Africa)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: etn industries ltd.
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:34 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: about Sale
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries
> ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
>
>
> just to let u folks know something about
> "outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease}
> a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india ,
> {bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that
> includes all standard equipment ,all documentation,
> flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight
> add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in
> world you wanna ship it.
>
> agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im
> not associated with it in anyways and this email is
> just for information only im not being paid/oblidged
> or even know anyone in agniaviation.
>
> p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build
> but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ?
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The "building a 701 question" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Zed. Why don't you have any pictures in your Zenith list Profile? I always
enjoy your posts on the list as you remind me of my days in warm, sunny Texas
while I'm freezing my (insert body part) off here in Omaha, but I'd like to see
some photos of your project!
(Slow here at work today too).
Scott (Do Not Archive) Laughlin
N5SL(reserved)
www.cooknwithgas.com
Did I mention "DO NOT ARCHIVE?"
Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith
do not archive
Boy, am I on a roll today!! (A really slow day at the office)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Any more racist responses? Anybody else we should kick of the list?
-- Craig
James Ferris wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>
> He is right ,if you can chose betweem and Indian and a
> cobra? always chose the cobra.
> --- Dirk Slabbert <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
>><dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>>
>>Never ever go this way, we've seen enough of indian,
>>chinese junk dumped in this country, never mind the
>>craftmanship, which is non existant.
>>Kick this guy off the list.
>>Dirk.
>>(Bush pilot in Africa)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: etn industries ltd.
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:34 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: about Sale
>>
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries
>>ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>> just to let u folks know something about
>>"outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease}
>>a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india ,
>>{bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that
>>includes all standard equipment ,all documentation,
>>flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight
>>add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in
>>world you wanna ship it.
>>
>> agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im
>>not associated with it in anyways and this email is
>>just for information only im not being paid/oblidged
>>or even know anyone in agniaviation.
>>
>> p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build
>>but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ?
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>Contributions
>>any other
>>Forums.
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm
>>http://www.matronics.com/archives
>>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>>http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Its more than a few pennies
The mark up was approaching 200 % a couple of years ago. 3 cents per
rivet from the same supplier that Zenith uses in Canada versus 8.5+ cents
from Zenith in Mexico MO. The $600 savings on my 10,000 rivets IS A HUGE
percentage of the cost of materials for a scratch builder. At that time
one could purchase all the .025 and all the .016 alum sheets for the entire
plane for $856 (3 sheets of .025 @$80 and 14 sheets of .016 @$44=$856)
That said, with Zenith using this same source for rivets now being made in
China instead of Britain. I can't recommend buying them either until some
sort of quality control issue is resolved. Unless the Canadian supplier
will some how replace their rivets if a batch fails a Zenith approved test.
Hopefully in a month or so we will know how Mr Heintz wants us to
perform that test. I would also reason that since Zenith is a large
customer for these specific rivets, The Canadian supplier would go out of
their way to make sure the quality control, comes back in line with the
previous British made rivets.
When and if that happens scratch builders can purchase the exact same rivet
Zenith purchases in Canada from the exact same supplier and have them UPS
shipped to the US for about 1/3 the price and this includes shipping and
customs.
The Canadian supplier contact info is in the archives.
I will add this, It is almost CERTAIN, if you purchase or purchased the
rivets from ANY supplier in the USA (encluding Wicks or A&S) other than
Zenith they will NOT BE the correct rivet that Mr Heintz recommends.
Its your 60,000 pennies, and your piece of mind
Monty
At 06:57 AM 3/3/05 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@.net>
>
>>
>
>As a scratch builder with questions about assembly and modifications, I
>figured the few extra pennies were more than repaid when I called ZAC with
>questions. Value added by tech support was partially repaid by buying the
>rivets from ZAC, the mark-up isn't much. The convenience and peace of mind
>were worth it for me.
>YMMV
>
>Rick
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
I did not put DO NOT ARCHIVE in that last post. Sorry
Kevin Bonds
Do not archive
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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<eaachapter162@yahoogroups.com>
| Subject: | Somewhat off topic |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Since I entered aviation, I have met some wonderful people. I have marveled
at how many people have been so eager to help me realize my dream of
flight--how many people I've met that were truly unselfish with their time
and resources, and went out of there way to help me. I've been amazed at the
comradery of people interested in similar things to help and invite others
to participate.
Well today I had the first unpleasant experience of my journey.
I heard about a gentleman near me who owns a small car lot and has several
Corvair cars and parts. As I have been unable to get anyone in the Local
CORSA chapter to reply to my enquiries for engines I stopped by his lot
looking for an engine. When I walked inside there were numerous Corvair
posters and such in his office. I guessed correctly that he was a member of
the local chapter. He told me he had plenty of engines and parts but wanted
to know what I wanted one for. I told him I wanted to rebuild one. He said
he wasn't interested in selling anything to me unless I was going to put a
car on the road. He said If I could not tell him what I was using the engine
for he wasn't going to help me. So I told him it was for an experimental
aircraft. He said "well I don't want to contribute to that" and waved me
off. I looked at him and said, " Wow I didn't realize you guys felt that way
about it" He said he was probably the only one who does, everyone else will
just take my money. I tried to tell him that like CORSA I belonged to an
organization called the EAA and that our goal is to try and promote aviation
and make it accessible to more people like myself who are not wealthy but
want to realize a dream. He didn't seem to care.
As I drove home I couldn't help but think about the parallels between the
EAA and other organizations like CORSA. Maybe others have had different
experiences with CORSA chapters but mine do not speak well for the
organization. Today's experience kind of busted a bubble for me that I can't
exactly explain. I am really bummed. Sorry for the long post, I just really
need to talk to some folks that understand. You know?
Kevin Bonds
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| Subject: | Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: BillSewell@aol.com
In a message dated 3/3/2005 2:33:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lgingell@matrix-logic.com writes:
My larger images are on a slower site, so it may have timed out. This
should be remedied soon.
Your picture does help - I have a much better visual. I'll take note of
your advice on the flap stuff too. I looked at that page on the plans
last night briefly, went green, then flipped back!
Glad you like the site. I think between the few of us (yourself included
of course) that have good photo-documentaries, we must have all the
missing pictures from the guides! Bill Sewell is ahead of me at just the
right pace (thanks Bill, keep going!)
Lance,
I'll do my best. Just got my canopy kit today.
Bill Sewell
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | 701 Electric Flaps |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
I'm considering adding an electric flap operator. Please send me any
information and photos of your installation if you've added some kind of
actuator.
I'm aware of Chzec aircrafts unit at $500 +/-
Hal
http://ThePlaneFolks.Net/
Clickon Construction Gallery
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Kevin welcome to the area of aviation that many have experienced. IF
you're talking to a non aviation person never mention planes. Especially
in the U.S., it actually has nothing to do with seeing there parts
passing them overhead but it has everything to do with a widow of an
unfortunate pilot accompanied by a lawyer walking through the door!! A
part intended for a car can still be liable in a plane crash! SO I can't
blame them for not selling to us the hassle is just not worth it. So
what I do is tell these suppliers I'm building a dune buggy or swamp
boat. IT will make them far far friendlier to you. While were on this
subject just fro fun walk into a Subaru Dealer and say you need parts
for your plane, I have actually been yelled at/ cursed / and roughly
escorted off the premises with a warning to never return or be charged
with trespassing! And all I wanted was a fuel injector!!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds
eaachapter162@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Since I entered aviation, I have met some wonderful people. I have
marveled
at how many people have been so eager to help me realize my dream of
flight--how many people I've met that were truly unselfish with their
time
and resources, and went out of there way to help me. I've been amazed at
the
comradery of people interested in similar things to help and invite
others
to participate.
Well today I had the first unpleasant experience of my journey.
I heard about a gentleman near me who owns a small car lot and has
several
Corvair cars and parts. As I have been unable to get anyone in the Local
CORSA chapter to reply to my enquiries for engines I stopped by his lot
looking for an engine. When I walked inside there were numerous Corvair
posters and such in his office. I guessed correctly that he was a member
of
the local chapter. He told me he had plenty of engines and parts but
wanted
to know what I wanted one for. I told him I wanted to rebuild one. He
said
he wasn't interested in selling anything to me unless I was going to put
a
car on the road. He said If I could not tell him what I was using the
engine
for he wasn't going to help me. So I told him it was for an experimental
aircraft. He said "well I don't want to contribute to that" and waved me
off. I looked at him and said, " Wow I didn't realize you guys felt that
way
about it" He said he was probably the only one who does, everyone else
will
just take my money. I tried to tell him that like CORSA I belonged to an
organization called the EAA and that our goal is to try and promote
aviation
and make it accessible to more people like myself who are not wealthy
but
want to realize a dream. He didn't seem to care.
As I drove home I couldn't help but think about the parallels between
the
EAA and other organizations like CORSA. Maybe others have had different
experiences with CORSA chapters but mine do not speak well for the
organization. Today's experience kind of busted a bubble for me that I
can't
exactly explain. I am really bummed. Sorry for the long post, I just
really
need to talk to some folks that understand. You know?
Kevin Bonds
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Electric Flaps |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I don't have any pictures, I will take some tomorrow and send you some. I
had plenty when I
built it, but my hard drive blew it's cork and they were some of the ones I
couldn't get back.
I will tell you that it works very well. The actuator was about $185, the
travel sensor was $30 and I am using buttons on my control stick. I just
added a page on my site that has the addresses and part numbers for the
actuator and sensor. Check out, www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/what.html. Take
care, Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal Rozema" <hartist1@cox.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric Flaps
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>
> I'm considering adding an electric flap operator. Please send me any
> information and photos of your installation if you've added some kind of
> actuator.
>
> I'm aware of Chzec aircrafts unit at $500 +/-
>
> Hal
> http://ThePlaneFolks.Net/
> Clickon Construction Gallery
>
>
> --
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005
>
>
--
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Kevin, don't get too excided. There are a lot of uninformed/misinformed or
just stubborn people in this world. They live in a very small world.
There is a guy about three miles from me that has a very nice grass strip,
but he ain't gonna allow no damn experimental on his strip, his words not
mine. I know him quite well, he will grudgingly let me use his field. I'm
sure I can change his mind if he will ever get in my 701. He thinks Champs
are the best thing since the Beetles. He is in for an awakening.
Larry N1345L
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
<eaachapter162@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
> Since I entered aviation, I have met some wonderful people. I have
marveled
> at how many people have been so eager to help me realize my dream of
> flight--how many people I've met that were truly unselfish with their time
> and resources, and went out of there way to help me. I've been amazed at
the
> comradery of people interested in similar things to help and invite others
> to participate.
>
>
> Well today I had the first unpleasant experience of my journey.
>
>
> I heard about a gentleman near me who owns a small car lot and has
several
> Corvair cars and parts. As I have been unable to get anyone in the Local
> CORSA chapter to reply to my enquiries for engines I stopped by his lot
> looking for an engine. When I walked inside there were numerous Corvair
> posters and such in his office. I guessed correctly that he was a member
of
> the local chapter. He told me he had plenty of engines and parts but
wanted
> to know what I wanted one for. I told him I wanted to rebuild one. He said
> he wasn't interested in selling anything to me unless I was going to put a
> car on the road. He said If I could not tell him what I was using the
engine
> for he wasn't going to help me. So I told him it was for an experimental
> aircraft. He said "well I don't want to contribute to that" and waved me
> off. I looked at him and said, " Wow I didn't realize you guys felt that
way
> about it" He said he was probably the only one who does, everyone else
will
> just take my money. I tried to tell him that like CORSA I belonged to an
> organization called the EAA and that our goal is to try and promote
aviation
> and make it accessible to more people like myself who are not wealthy but
> want to realize a dream. He didn't seem to care.
>
>
> As I drove home I couldn't help but think about the parallels between the
> EAA and other organizations like CORSA. Maybe others have had different
> experiences with CORSA chapters but mine do not speak well for the
> organization. Today's experience kind of busted a bubble for me that I
can't
> exactly explain. I am really bummed. Sorry for the long post, I just
really
> need to talk to some folks that understand. You know?
>
>
> Kevin Bonds
>
>
> --
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005
>
>
--
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Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Nope, I didn't get any and here is why. I use lavasoft's adwatch, I use AVG
virus protection and I use mailwasher. All three do different types of
screening and all three have free versions. All three offer better versions
for small fees, I bought lavasoft and mailwasher, I use the free Avg.
Lavasoft does spyware and adware, AVG (grisoft.com), checks incoming and
out going mail for viruses and mailwasher lets you control your incoming
e-mail at the server level. Works for me, but you must keep them updated.
I do updates on a night time automatic update schedule. Sometimes, very
rarely I do get a spam, but I catch it with mailwasher and blacklist it and
never see one from them again. Just passing it on for those who are
interested. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>
> Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other
> day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails
> from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have
> been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The
> subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from
> various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You
> visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI.
>
> Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to
originate
> from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in
> Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin
> got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen
> scraping on this list, it would make sense.
>
> So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
>
>
> --
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005
>
>
--
Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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| Subject: | Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
OK you two overachievers - I'm watching Survivor with my girls this evening. Next
we are going to watch "The Donald" (The Apprentice) so you guys have an opportunity
to do some catching up. I did get my instrument panel drilled and
ready for deburring before I came inside.
I reached under the baggage compartment and took a few blind pictures of the area
behind the rear channels. I hope these help:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Behind_Rear_Channel2.JPG
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Behind_Rear_Channel1.JPG
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
BillSewell@aol.com wrote:
Lance,
I'll do my best. Just got my canopy kit today.
Bill Sewell
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Kitfox vs. CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
I'm convinced I want a CH701 - I was wondering when you all were deciding what
to build/own - what were the advantages of the CH701 Vs the Kitfox.
I know of a Kitfox with a 100 hp contenental for $28K.
I built an RV-7A and sold it - not right for me and my runway - comes in too fast
for me anyhow. The CH701 seems like it would be a good fit for me.
I'd just feel more comfortable buying one if you all could point out some of the
advantages of the CH701 vs the kitfox. I'm really interested in possibly mounting
floats and being able to land in the back country?
thanks
cliff
cdowjr@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Same happens to me with the Yahoo spam filter, a good thing we have is a temporay
junk folder for all the spam,
If the spam is stoped completly and automatic, sometimes a "good" mail could be
sent there and will be deleted without user noticing, About 1 of every 10
spam mails I recieve in that folder are list mails snt there by error, so just
move them to the inbox and delete the unwanted ones.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive..
Larry Martin <lrm@isp.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin"
Nope, I didn't get any and here is why. I use lavasoft's adwatch, I use AVG
virus protection and I use mailwasher. All three do different types of
screening and all three have free versions. All three offer better versions
for small fees, I bought lavasoft and mailwasher, I use the free Avg.
Lavasoft does spyware and adware, AVG (grisoft.com), checks incoming and
out going mail for viruses and mailwasher lets you control your incoming
e-mail at the server level. Works for me, but you must keep them updated.
I do updates on a night time automatic update schedule. Sometimes, very
rarely I do get a spam, but I catch it with mailwasher and blacklist it and
never see one from them again. Just passing it on for those who are
interested. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Howerton"
Subject: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton"
>
> Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other
> day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails
> from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have
> been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The
> subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from
> various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You
> visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI.
>
> Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to
originate
> from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in
> Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin
> got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen
> scraping on this list, it would make sense.
>
> So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
>
>
> --
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005
>
>
--
Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Upright Channel 6B5-6 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Thanks Scott!
Those pictures help.
I'm heading back out to the workshop with a nice cold one. Enjoy your tv
shows - Bill -) (couldn't
help myself!)
..lance
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upright Channel 6B5-6
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
OK you two overachievers - I'm watching Survivor with my girls this
evening. Next we are going to watch "The Donald" (The Apprentice) so
you guys have an opportunity to do some catching up. I did get my
instrument panel drilled and ready for deburring before I came inside.
I reached under the baggage compartment and took a few blind pictures of
the area behind the rear channels. I hope these help:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Behind_Rear_Channel2.JPG
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Behind_Rear_Channel1.JPG
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
BillSewell@aol.com wrote:
Lance,
I'll do my best. Just got my canopy kit today.
Bill Sewell
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Amen to what others are saying about buying auto parts for planes. I
got to the point of telling the parts folks that I needed my VW parts
for an "off road vehicle" they didn't blink and I wasn't lying.
Ron
N601TD
do not archive
Cdngoose wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
>Kevin welcome to the area of aviation that many have experienced. IF
>you're talking to a non aviation person never mention planes. Especially
>in the U.S., it actually has nothing to do with seeing there parts
>passing them overhead but it has everything to do with a widow of an
>unfortunate pilot accompanied by a lawyer walking through the door!! A
>part intended for a car can still be liable in a plane crash! SO I can't
>blame them for not selling to us the hassle is just not worth it. So
>what I do is tell these suppliers I'm building a dune buggy or swamp
>boat. IT will make them far far friendlier to you. While were on this
>subject just fro fun walk into a Subaru Dealer and say you need parts
>for your plane, I have actually been yelled at/ cursed / and roughly
>escorted off the premises with a warning to never return or be charged
>with trespassing! And all I wanted was a fuel injector!!!
>
>Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
>Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
>President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
>www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds
>To: corvaircraft@mylist.net; zenith-list@matronics.com;
>eaachapter162@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
>
>Since I entered aviation, I have met some wonderful people. I have
>marveled
>at how many people have been so eager to help me realize my dream of
>flight--how many people I've met that were truly unselfish with their
>time
>and resources, and went out of there way to help me. I've been amazed at
>the
>comradery of people interested in similar things to help and invite
>others
>to participate.
>
>
>Well today I had the first unpleasant experience of my journey.
>
>
> I heard about a gentleman near me who owns a small car lot and has
>several
>Corvair cars and parts. As I have been unable to get anyone in the Local
>CORSA chapter to reply to my enquiries for engines I stopped by his lot
>looking for an engine. When I walked inside there were numerous Corvair
>posters and such in his office. I guessed correctly that he was a member
>of
>the local chapter. He told me he had plenty of engines and parts but
>wanted
>to know what I wanted one for. I told him I wanted to rebuild one. He
>said
>he wasn't interested in selling anything to me unless I was going to put
>a
>car on the road. He said If I could not tell him what I was using the
>engine
>for he wasn't going to help me. So I told him it was for an experimental
>aircraft. He said "well I don't want to contribute to that" and waved me
>off. I looked at him and said, " Wow I didn't realize you guys felt that
>way
>about it" He said he was probably the only one who does, everyone else
>will
>just take my money. I tried to tell him that like CORSA I belonged to an
>organization called the EAA and that our goal is to try and promote
>aviation
>and make it accessible to more people like myself who are not wealthy
>but
>want to realize a dream. He didn't seem to care.
>
>
>As I drove home I couldn't help but think about the parallels between
>the
>EAA and other organizations like CORSA. Maybe others have had different
>experiences with CORSA chapters but mine do not speak well for the
>organization. Today's experience kind of busted a bubble for me that I
>can't
>exactly explain. I am really bummed. Sorry for the long post, I just
>really
>need to talk to some folks that understand. You know?
>
>
>Kevin Bonds
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
Although many like paying more for "better quality rivets", I have
bought probably over 4000 directly from my local distributor( I stop
there at lunch). These are exactly the same rivets the Zenair sells. As
a scratch builder finding the best deal for everything I buy is part of
the building process not something to be disregarded as to trivial for
my time.
First there was that story about only using the good rivets from the
plant in England, then it turns out that plant has been closed and they
all come form China. My position on this is that if this size/brand of
rivets is so unreliable that every lot has to be tested, then we should
not be using them! Also is the testing done on each manufacturing lot?
Do they know the date location codes of the rivets being tested. The
point is if you buy a bag of rivets they may or may not have been made
at the same time or place. Pulling out a couple of rivets to test does
not guarantee that the whole lot is good.
Tim Shankland
Clyde Barcus wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
>
>In my opinion, Zac rivets backed up by their testing is a good deal even if you
pay a little more. I have been working with their rivets for about a year now
and I have found the rivets to be very consistent. I determined early on that
I could pull A-4 rivets at 40 pounds and A-5 at 60 pounds, this was the minimum
pressure the rivets could be pulled. I use a good quality pressure gauge and
only 1 pound less on either one and it does not work, on there other hand,
I seldom encounter a rivet that requires 1 or 2 pounds more to work. When that
happens I increase pressure, pull the rivet, and readjust the pressure to minimum
again.
>
>
>Clyde Barcus
>601 XL Builder
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox vs. CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Broom" <twobrooms@outdrs.net>
Cliff;
I have been lurking on the Kitfox list for about two years and on the Zenith
for about six months. The Kitfox people are a fine bunch and their aircraft
is also very good. Their problem is that Skystar is in serious financial
trouble. The Zac people are a much happier lot. The company is great and
chances are the support will be there for a long, long time. I have made up
my mind to get a 601 XL in the next year. It has been too hard for me to
save the money for an airplane to gamble it on one from an unstable company.
Good luck.
Mike Broom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford Dow
Subject: Zenith-List: Kitfox vs. CH701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@yahoo.com>
I'm convinced I want a CH701 - I was wondering when you all were deciding
what to build/own - what were the advantages of the CH701 Vs the Kitfox.
I know of a Kitfox with a 100 hp contenental for $28K.
I built an RV-7A and sold it - not right for me and my runway - comes in too
fast for me anyhow. The CH701 seems like it would be a good fit for me.
I'd just feel more comfortable buying one if you all could point out some of
the advantages of the CH701 vs the kitfox. I'm really interested in
possibly mounting floats and being able to land in the back country?
thanks
cliff
cdowjr@yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <gkirby@yahoo.com>
I think the Zenith approach to screening batches of rivets is a little
worrying. In a manufacturing situation you may use this approach to
identify manufacturing process problems which would be subsequently fixed.
Probably finding inconsistencies in the metals being used for the rivets,
problems with the dies or equipment used to make them. Over time the quality
improves as you change the manufacturing and inspection processes to close
these holes.
Now if the Zenith testing doesn't get fed back to improving how the factory
manufactures the rivets it will continue to be an ongoing gamble for us
irrespective of whether samples from the batch have been tested by Zenith.
Even the notion of there being good batches and bad batches of rivet is a
little scary. It is a very convenient solution to the problem but being a
sceptic I doubt whether sufficient testing has been done to prove this
beyond doubt.
I could buy the argument that the rivets manufactured in the UK were of a
different quality to the ones manufactured in another country, with the
testing over time reinforcing this. But it is nonesense to think that you
can use sample testing to pick good batches of rivets coming from a single
manufacturer without traceability of individual parts through the whole
manufacturing process.
Having had that rant, I wonder whether the cherry N or Q rivets can be used
instead?
Graham Kirby
601HD
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