---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/03/05: 46 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: Zenith brake pedal modifications (Cdngoose) 2. 04:54 AM - For Sale (Lowell Metz) 3. 05:24 AM - 1H0 (Grant Corriveau) 4. 05:56 AM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (N5SL) 5. 06:17 AM - Re: For Sale (Doon47@aol.com) 6. 06:46 AM - Re: 801 pre-purchase inspection (n801bh@netzero.com) 7. 06:50 AM - Brake Pedal Geometry - According to our lord Matco (David Barth) 8. 07:15 AM - Re: Rivets (Rick) 9. 08:17 AM - Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Bill Howerton) 10. 08:20 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 11. 08:44 AM - Spam (Tom Faulkner) 12. 08:50 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Paul Riedlinger) 13. 09:04 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Stanley Challgren) 14. 09:35 AM - about Sale (etn industries ltd.) 15. 09:42 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Craig Payne) 16. 09:42 AM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (Lance Gingell) 17. 09:56 AM - More on spam (Zed Smith) 18. 09:56 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Trevor Page) 19. 10:23 AM - Re: Flaperon control stop-801 (Tom Faulkner) 20. 10:32 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Gary Gower) 21. 10:59 AM - Re: For Sale (MXSportPilot@aol.com) 22. 11:13 AM - Re: Rivets (Leo J. Corbalis) 23. 11:57 AM - Rivets (Clyde Barcus) 24. 12:08 PM - Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Article (Alternative Engines) (Cory Emberson) 25. 12:34 PM - Re: about Sale (Dirk Slabbert) 26. 12:52 PM - The "building a 701 question" (Zed Smith) 27. 01:01 PM - Re: about Sale (James Ferris) 28. 01:03 PM - Re: The "building a 701 question" (N5SL) 29. 01:28 PM - Re: about Sale (Craig Payne) 30. 01:57 PM - Re: Rivets (Monty Graves) 31. 02:38 PM - Sorry (kevinbonds) 32. 02:47 PM - Somewhat off topic (kevinbonds) 33. 02:51 PM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (BillSewell@aol.com) 34. 04:27 PM - 701 Electric Flaps (Hal Rozema) 35. 04:42 PM - Re: Somewhat off topic (Cdngoose) 36. 06:19 PM - Re: 701 Electric Flaps (Larry Martin) 37. 06:19 PM - Re: Somewhat off topic (Larry Martin) 38. 06:19 PM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Larry Martin) 39. 06:20 PM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (N5SL) 40. 06:32 PM - Kitfox vs. CH701 (Clifford Dow) 41. 06:36 PM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Gary Gower) 42. 07:18 PM - Re: Upright Channel 6B5-6 (Lance Gingell) 43. 07:20 PM - Re: Somewhat off topic (ron dewees) 44. 07:50 PM - Re: Rivets (Tim & Diane Shankland) 45. 09:42 PM - Re: Kitfox vs. CH701 (Richard Broom) 46. 11:23 PM - Re: Rivets (Graham Kirby) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:09 AM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith brake pedal modifications --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Ron , send them to cdngoose@osprey2.com and I will get them posted on the www.ch601.org website Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com do not archive -----Original Message----- --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Hi Craig, My Bad! Forgot that the list won't take attachments. I can send them to individuals or maybe 601.org will host them? Any other ideas? Ron do not archive Craig Payne wrote: ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:58 AM PST US From: "Lowell Metz" Subject: Zenith-List: For Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" ZAC folks, As some of you know I am more of a builder than a flyer so the time has come to sell the 701 and get into the challenges of a new project. I am selling my 701 / 912 UL/S. It has about 80 hours on it and that number will rise as I fly it several times a week. Swing up doors , hard points for float option , electric pitch trim , Warp Dr. 3 blade prop , Vernier throttle , Electric TC , Vacuum Artificial horizon, VSI , ASI , ALT, Vert Card Compass , Whiskey Compass, Grand Rapids ESI with fuel flow and fuel totalizer , Becker comm intercom , Becker TPX with Mode "C" ( certified ) Ameriking ELT with the portable antenna and panel remote , Garmin 196 GPS , fire extinguisher , strobes , landing lights , Smoked lexan overhead window, wing tanks and header tank. Please , just serious buyers , that want a good honest plane for $49,000.00 Lowell Metz South west Florida ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 1H0 From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Hi Gary, It was a very quick visit, but sorry I didn't have a chance to meet or see your airplane/project. The new owner for Art's plane is Bill Adams - a heck of a nice fellow. If you see him say 'hi' for me... I hope he enjoys the aircraft. It's a fine example of a 601. I don't know much about the LSA rules, but the prop can be run in manual mode where you can set the prop angle and then leave it alone - if that would satisfy the rule... regards, Grant > I am based at 1H0, and I am sorry I missed you. I did see Art's (Flypass) > airplane, though, and I wondered about something - since it is an XL, does > the variable pitch prop disqualify it for LSA? > > Next time you do ferry duty, let me know and I'll buy you dinner! > > Gary ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:27 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upright Channel 6B5-6 --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi Lance: I wanted to take a closer look at where you are in the construction process, but when I click on your small photo, it comes back with "Page not Found." I'll take a stab at it anyway since I'm past this point (although you are catching up to me fast!). The upright channels you are talking about face forward and mount in front of the rear frame channel (6-B-5-2) and upper channel (6-B-5-3) which both face backwards. I mean by backwards that the flange points towards the back. Also in this fun bunch of parts is the attach plate for the back of the wing (6-B-5-4). Have we covered all of the numbers on 6-B-5 yet? I think I did the most head-scratching at this point in the construction process mostly because it's easy to confuse the seat back group of parts with the rear channel parts and the assembly manual jumps back and forth between them. To address your question, I suspect you are seeing the flange of the uprights and mistaking them for "L" angle. The flanges on the uprights are not 90 degrees, so it would be difficult to fit a 90 deg. "L" angle inside of them. The fun will really kick in when you start installing your flap actuator parts behind this rear channel assembly. There are a few "L" angles back there at the bottom along with a flap control bearing that gets riveted into the mix. Jump over to 6-B-19 and study the placement of parts and you will see what I mean. The best advice I can give you at this point is to look ahead and plan your work carefully. Many of the holes you drill will have consequences in other parts, so make sure you plan for edge distance on any parts that will be attached now or later (flap parts). Here is an example of many parts coming together in the area you are working on right now: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_6_04_FlapBearing.JPG Up until this point in the fuselage I was really moving fast. It's best to take your time and plan your holes so that everything lines up and you don't end up with a hole at the edge of a part that attaches later. Match-drill as much as you can. I try to avoid drilling holes in parts until everything is clamped or taped together to get a feel for where all the parts go. Sorry I don't have a photo of the area you are looking for, but if you don't have this resolved by this evening I'll take a photo of it during the commercials of "Survivor." I just wish you were ahead of me since your web site and photos are excellent and I enjoy studying them. Scott Laughlin N5SL (Reserved) http://www.cooknwithgas.com/ 601XL/Corvair Working on the Instrument panel Lance Gingell wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" List, I'm fitting 6B5-6, the upright channels on my XL. I had to trim them a little. Now, the photo guide really isn't clear about drilling them to the rear channel. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:13 AM PST US From: Doon47@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: For Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: Doon47@aol.com LOWELL - It shouldn't last long. CHIP ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:33 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 pre-purchase inspection --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" Howdy, I am looking at a finished 801 for sale. Any particular areas of interest or concern to watch for during a pre-purchase inspection? Thanks, Ron Weich Las Cruces, NM Which plane is this??????????? Ben Haas N801BH ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:42 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Zenith-List: Brake Pedal Geometry - According to our lord Matco --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth There have been some questions on brake pedal geometry and the Matco rep pointed me to their drawings. I have linked to them on the Builders Resources pages of the ch601.org website. http://www.ch601.org/builder%20resources.htm There are also some brake system assembly drawings you may find useful. david David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:58 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim & Diane Shankland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland > > > Fred, > Check the archives, there are numerous vendors who sell the rivets at a > fraction the price. I have no problem paying a mark up when there is a > value added, but high mark ups for mere pass through are unnecessary. > > Tim Shankland > As a scratch builder with questions about assembly and modifications, I figured the few extra pennies were more than repaid when I called ZAC with questions. Value added by tech support was partially repaid by buying the rivets from ZAC, the mark-up isn't much. The convenience and peace of mind were worth it for me. YMMV Rick ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:55 AM PST US From: "Bill Howerton" Subject: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI. Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen scraping on this list, it would make sense. So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:53 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com I've seen Zero - even the spam filter is empty. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601xl tail 85% do not archive In a message dated 3/3/2005 11:18:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bill@Howerton.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI. Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen scraping on this list, it would make sense. So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:43 AM PST US From: "Tom Faulkner" Subject: Zenith-List: Spam --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" Bill: I got bombed with exactly the same thing over the weekend. Tom Faulkner N801TP 19 hrs ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:11 AM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Riedlinger" None for me either. In general you need to get a good spam filter and then you will not see them regardless. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Howerton Subject: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI. Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen scraping on this list, it would make sense. So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:16 AM PST US From: Stanley Challgren Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren Listers: I get no spam; but then I have a Macintosh. Good time to switch is when number of spams exceed real messages. Stan On Mar 3, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Bill Howerton wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" > > Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the > other > day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" > e-mails > from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently > have > been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The > subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from > various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You > visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI. > > Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to > originate > from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in > Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these > vermin > got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen > scraping on this list, it would make sense. > > So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately? > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:54 AM PST US From: "etn industries ltd." Subject: Zenith-List: about Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." just to let u folks know something about "outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease} a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india , {bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that includes all standard equipment ,all documentation, flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in world you wanna ship it. agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im not associated with it in anyways and this email is just for information only im not being paid/oblidged or even know anyone in agniaviation. p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ? --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:46 AM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne I'm afraid you are confusing spam with viruses. Spam doesn't care where it is going, it just needs an e-mail address. -- Craig Stanley Challgren wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren > > Listers: > > I get no spam; but then I have a Macintosh. Good time to switch is > when number of spams exceed real messages. > > Stan > On Mar 3, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Bill Howerton wrote: > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" >> >>Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the >>other >>day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" >>e-mails >>from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently >>have >>been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The >>subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from >>various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You >>visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI. >> >>Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to >>originate >>from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in >>Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these >>vermin >>got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen >>scraping on this list, it would make sense. >> >>So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately? >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Upright Channel 6B5-6 From: "Lance Gingell" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" Thanks Scott, My larger images are on a slower site, so it may have timed out. This should be remedied soon. Your picture does help - I have a much better visual. I'll take note of your advice on the flap stuff too. I looked at that page on the plans last night briefly, went green, then flipped back! Glad you like the site. I think between the few of us (yourself included of course) that have good photo-documentaries, we must have all the missing pictures from the guides! Bill Sewell is ahead of me at just the right pace (thanks Bill, keep going!) "I just wish you were ahead of me" - I don't watch survivor, so I may be soon! Cheers, ..lance http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upright Channel 6B5-6 --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi Lance: I wanted to take a closer look at where you are in the construction process, but when I click on your small photo, it comes back with "Page not Found." I'll take a stab at it anyway since I'm past this point (although you are catching up to me fast!). The upright channels you are talking about face forward and mount in front of the rear frame channel (6-B-5-2) and upper channel (6-B-5-3) which both face backwards. I mean by backwards that the flange points towards the back. Also in this fun bunch of parts is the attach plate for the back of the wing (6-B-5-4). Have we covered all of the numbers on 6-B-5 yet? I think I did the most head-scratching at this point in the construction process mostly because it's easy to confuse the seat back group of parts with the rear channel parts and the assembly manual jumps back and forth between them. To address your question, I suspect you are seeing the flange of the uprights and mistaking them for "L" angle. The flanges on the uprights are not 90 degrees, so it would be difficult to fit a 90 deg. "L" angle inside of them. The fun will really kick in when you start installing your flap actuator parts behind this rear channel assembly. There are a few "L" angles back there at the bottom along with a flap control bearing that gets riveted into the mix. Jump over to 6-B-19 and study the placement of parts and you will see what I mean. The best advice I can give you at this point is to look ahead and plan your work carefully. Many of the holes you drill will have consequences in other parts, so make sure you plan for edge distance on any parts that will be attached now or later (flap parts). Here is an example of many parts coming together in the area you are working on right now: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_6_04_FlapBearing.JPG Up until this point in the fuselage I was really moving fast. It's best to take your time and plan your holes so that everything lines up and you don't end up with a hole at the edge of a part that attaches later. Match-drill as much as you can. I try to avoid drilling holes in parts until everything is clamped or taped together to get a feel for where all the parts go. Sorry I don't have a photo of the area you are looking for, but if you don't have this resolved by this evening I'll take a photo of it during the commercials of "Survivor." I just wish you were ahead of me since your web site and photos are excellent and I enjoy studying them. Scott Laughlin N5SL (Reserved) http://www.cooknwithgas.com/ 601XL/Corvair Working on the Instrument panel Lance Gingell wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" List, I'm fitting 6B5-6, the upright channels on my XL. I had to trim them a little. Now, the photo guide really isn't clear about drilling them to the rear channel. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:14 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: More on spam --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith List... An internet guru (his self-appointed title) told me that getting, or not getting, these messages depended in large measure to how your provider screened stuff. That is to say, these spammers write some self-propagating program that ends up snowballing and therefore looks for e-mail addresses to attach a message to. He said that there might be several hours between the spam starting and the provider actually taking active steps to block it.....in that interval we, some of us, get hit. I'm sure THAT made sense, but bottom line was that I "reported as spam" each of the e-mails and then clicked the "block this source" box provided by my ISP. That nearly stopped it all in a matter of two days. None of the messages ever actually made it to me, they were held in a "suspect e-mail file" for me to make some disposition. It might be noteworthy that here in my office we never got any of that stuff.....different provider from my personal account. I do, however, access my personal account via the office. That's where the Ms Hilton, the FBI, Matronics, and even "Microsoft Security" showed up. Young Miss Hilton probably deserves the attention, especially since she has no other qualifications. Three cheers and a free beer for firewalls. And if you work for the FBI, I got you blocked! do not archive Zed ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:14 AM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page Same here, I'm on a Mac. I don't worry about viruses,spam and spyware. Switched a few years ago, never looking back ;) Trevor Page 601HD 99% complete DO NOT ARCHIVE On Mar 3, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Stanley Challgren wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren > > > Listers: > > I get no spam; but then I have a Macintosh. Good time to switch is > when number of spams exceed real messages. > > Stan > On Mar 3, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Bill Howerton wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" >> >> Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the >> other >> day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" >> e-mails >> from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently >> have >> been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. >> The >> subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from >> various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or >> "You >> visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI. >> >> Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to >> originate >> from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in >> Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these >> vermin >> got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen >> scraping on this list, it would make sense. >> >> So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately? >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:08 AM PST US From: "Tom Faulkner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flaperon control stop-801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" John: I don't know if you got any other responses to this, but the best I can recall, I mounted the flaperon stop as one of the last things by clamping it in the correct position for stopping one side then filling the other side until it stopped in the correct position. It is a difficult position to work in, but doable. Tom Faulkner N801TP ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:29 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Bill, Me two, but with the yahoo spam control they go to a spam inbox in my e-mail account, this way I delete this mails without even opening them, mostly come with an attachment of about 27 to 40 (?) size, i supose there is where the potential virus/worm comes, is important not to open this attachments, then they will "use" your address book for they own, this is the way they get new "coustumers". I also check the subject of this mails before delete them, sometimes the "good" mail from the lists get "filtered" there, so I just move this specific mails back to "inbox", no big deal, just time consuming. If not deleted, the spam mail is deleted automaticaly by Yahoo when they get 7days old. but I check and delete them daily. This spamers are automatic programs, so we have to learn to leave with them and delete them before opening, to prevent getting the worm or virus in our computer and give them addresses fro free.. Is part of intenet I supose. Saludos Gary Gower. do not archive Bill Howerton wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI. Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen scraping on this list, it would make sense. So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately? --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:21 AM PST US From: MXSportPilot@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: For Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: MXSportPilot@aol.com Hi Lowell, Sounds like a nice plane. I am just a lurkier on the list and I wondered if you would mind a few questions on the Zenith. After a lot of soul searching I have made up my mind that the 701 is going to be my first home built. I also like the 601 but the wife would rather have a high wing so there you have it. Is the building the Zenith tough for the first timer? I have read from so many how much they enjoyed building I got to think its a hoot. I found a company in Italy that got license on the 701 and have changed the tail design a little and offer a kit that has match hole construction. ICP is the company. The Savannah. However great their kit is I need to buy sub kits and the Zenith sure is affordable going with the sub kits. Hope you don't mind my ramblings Mr. Lowell! I plan to do what ever I have to on this. I love flying, I am 54 and have been thinking about it since I was 30. At least I got started flying ultralight a few years ago and like low and slow flying! Seems like the 701 fits that to a T. I have 70 hrs about in my older Quicksilver Mx. Most of my hours where last year as my first year I had an accident on my motorcycle on the way to the airport! The good Lord was looking out for me and I only have to live with a fractured collar bone. Could have been a lot worse. Went to my first funeral for flying buddies last month as we lost a student and the instructor teaching flex wing at the airport. Woodbine NJ. I can't wait to get going with the 701, something the wife and I can enjoy just seeing the sights and being able to fold the wing and trailer behind a Winnabago someday. Take care and best wishes for your next project. Bob Brasher Pemberton NJ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:35 AM PST US From: "Leo J. Corbalis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" I once bought some rivets from another source. They were dome headed. I used them and had to remove a bunch. THEN I found out that the stem broke off close to the top of the head. So what ? Well when you try to drill the head off, your drill bit hits the steel stem and the bit wanders off on to the sheet metal. Miserable to remove. Leo Corbalis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim & Diane Shankland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland > > Fred, > Check the archives, there are numerous vendors who sell the rivets at a > fraction the price. I have no problem paying a mark up when there is a > value added, but high mark ups for mere pass through are unnecessary. > > Tim Shankland > > > Fred B. wrote: > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred B." > > > >Listers; Have a question. Am getting materials to scratch build the 601. How many rivets do I need to order? Other than ZAC, is there a (cheaper) source for the primo rivets that ZAC recpmmends? Appteciate any comments as to the ease of the home depot wood brake; any plans sources? All help appreciated, thanks... Found the CH601.org, will order aluminum per the listed materials...Assembling tools, table, and ideas. Thanks. > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:03 AM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Zenith-List: Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" In my opinion, Zac rivets backed up by their testing is a good deal even if you pay a little more. I have been working with their rivets for about a year now and I have found the rivets to be very consistent. I determined early on that I could pull A-4 rivets at 40 pounds and A-5 at 60 pounds, this was the minimum pressure the rivets could be pulled. I use a good quality pressure gauge and only 1 pound less on either one and it does not work, on there other hand, I seldom encounter a rivet that requires 1 or 2 pounds more to work. When that happens I increase pressure, pull the rivet, and readjust the pressure to minimum again. Clyde Barcus 601 XL Builder ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:56 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: Zenith-List: Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Article (Alternative Engines) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Hello everyone, I've subscribed (quietly) to this list for a little more than a year, and would like to hear from you if you're a builder who has successfully installed and flown an alternative engine in your plane. I'm writing a builder's roundup for Kitplanes magazine, and am looking for an installation that's flown for a minimum of 150 hours, and is currently flying. For the builders that we profile, the magazine will also be able to pay you $100 for the write-up. We would also need at least 2-3 good photos, including a close-up of the engine and an overall shot of the aircraft. Additional photos would be great, and all photos will be returned. If you have digital photos, it is very important that they be high-resolution, at least 300 dpi. I have a list of specific areas to address if you'd like to participate, but we can handle that off-line. Please feel free to contact me off-line at: cory @ lightspeededit.com (remove the spaces - my anti-spam protection) or reply offline to my list email address. I have a rather short deadline, so if you're able to contact me as soon as you're able, I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you so much! best, Cory Emberson ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:46 PM PST US From: "Dirk Slabbert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: about Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" Never ever go this way, we've seen enough of indian, chinese junk dumped in this country, never mind the craftmanship, which is non existant. Kick this guy off the list. Dirk. (Bush pilot in Africa) ----- Original Message ----- From: etn industries ltd. To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Zenith-List: about Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." just to let u folks know something about "outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease} a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india , {bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that includes all standard equipment ,all documentation, flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in world you wanna ship it. agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im not associated with it in anyways and this email is just for information only im not being paid/oblidged or even know anyone in agniaviation. p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ? --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:22 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: The "building a 701 question" --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith do not archive Boy, am I on a roll today!! (A really slow day at the office) A gentleman asked about the 701........ Let me be so bold as to offer the following: First of all, go to a Zenith "Rudder Workshop" and get your feet wet. The wife might enjoy the trip (never hurts to butter up the better half). Secondly, the entire Zenith line is well designed and has good documentation. Drawings and photos have been updated and improved on a continuing basis. I would venture that well in excess of 95% of the North American builders use Zenith exclusively for airframe stuff if they are "kit builders". The scratch-built guys are somewhat more adventuresome; they defy gravity in their love of building. But I digress. If you ever had the opportunity to see the "Discovery Wings" segment of a few years ago where, as I recall, somebody in Africa built a 701 using only a hand riveter and a battery-powered drill with a solar re-charger, then you will readily see that nearly, notice that I said "nearly", anybody with access to Wall-Mart, Home Depot or Lowes and a decent Internet connection can put one together. The 701 will fly with about 40 horsepower, most use the 80hp Rotax 912. The 801 is MUCH bigger and requires a large-wallet engine. Can't speak for the 601, but lots of other guys on this list can. If you want "speed" look elsewhere. Cars on the interstate will outrun a 701. Bottom line is that the Zenith workshop is the cheapest way to make your decision. All on this list crossed that bridge at some point in our own decision-making process, and you are the fellow that'll have to make the ultimate choice. To be fair, there has, from time to time, been some ZAC-bashing. Personally I don't think any of it was mean-spirited or intended to imply that there was anything amiss with Zenith, rather, some of us, me included, have on occasion aimed our frustrations at anything that made a good stationary target. That said, "Yes" I would build another 701. I just need to get this one finished first. It is really tough going when your son (read that "assistant") takes a different job and moves to another State, and you don't have help every weekend. Golly, I should write a weekly newspaper column under some pen name. Anyway, that's how you acquire a lover with the approval of your wife. Zed/701/R912/90+% DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:01 PM PST US From: James Ferris Subject: Re: Zenith-List: about Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris He is right ,if you can chose betweem and Indian and a cobra? always chose the cobra. --- Dirk Slabbert wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" > > > Never ever go this way, we've seen enough of indian, > chinese junk dumped in this country, never mind the > craftmanship, which is non existant. > Kick this guy off the list. > Dirk. > (Bush pilot in Africa) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: etn industries ltd. > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:34 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: about Sale > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries > ltd." > > > just to let u folks know something about > "outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease} > a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india , > {bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that > includes all standard equipment ,all documentation, > flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight > add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in > world you wanna ship it. > > agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im > not associated with it in anyways and this email is > just for information only im not being paid/oblidged > or even know anyone in agniaviation. > > p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build > but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ? > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:18 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The "building a 701 question" --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Hi Zed. Why don't you have any pictures in your Zenith list Profile? I always enjoy your posts on the list as you remind me of my days in warm, sunny Texas while I'm freezing my (insert body part) off here in Omaha, but I'd like to see some photos of your project! (Slow here at work today too). Scott (Do Not Archive) Laughlin N5SL(reserved) www.cooknwithgas.com Did I mention "DO NOT ARCHIVE?" Zed Smith wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith do not archive Boy, am I on a roll today!! (A really slow day at the office) --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:32 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: about Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne Any more racist responses? Anybody else we should kick of the list? -- Craig James Ferris wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris > > He is right ,if you can chose betweem and Indian and a > cobra? always chose the cobra. > --- Dirk Slabbert wrote: > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" >> >> >>Never ever go this way, we've seen enough of indian, >>chinese junk dumped in this country, never mind the >>craftmanship, which is non existant. >>Kick this guy off the list. >>Dirk. >>(Bush pilot in Africa) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: etn industries ltd. >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:34 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: about Sale >> >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries >>ltd." >> >> >> just to let u folks know something about >>"outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease} >>a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india , >>{bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that >>includes all standard equipment ,all documentation, >>flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight >>add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in >>world you wanna ship it. >> >> agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im >>not associated with it in anyways and this email is >>just for information only im not being paid/oblidged >>or even know anyone in agniaviation. >> >> p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build >>but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ? >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> >> >>Contributions >>any other >>Forums. >> >>http://www.matronics.com/subscription >>http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm >>http://www.matronics.com/archives >>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare >>http://www.matronics.com/emaillists >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:11 PM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves Its more than a few pennies The mark up was approaching 200 % a couple of years ago. 3 cents per rivet from the same supplier that Zenith uses in Canada versus 8.5+ cents from Zenith in Mexico MO. The $600 savings on my 10,000 rivets IS A HUGE percentage of the cost of materials for a scratch builder. At that time one could purchase all the .025 and all the .016 alum sheets for the entire plane for $856 (3 sheets of .025 @$80 and 14 sheets of .016 @$44=$856) That said, with Zenith using this same source for rivets now being made in China instead of Britain. I can't recommend buying them either until some sort of quality control issue is resolved. Unless the Canadian supplier will some how replace their rivets if a batch fails a Zenith approved test. Hopefully in a month or so we will know how Mr Heintz wants us to perform that test. I would also reason that since Zenith is a large customer for these specific rivets, The Canadian supplier would go out of their way to make sure the quality control, comes back in line with the previous British made rivets. When and if that happens scratch builders can purchase the exact same rivet Zenith purchases in Canada from the exact same supplier and have them UPS shipped to the US for about 1/3 the price and this includes shipping and customs. The Canadian supplier contact info is in the archives. I will add this, It is almost CERTAIN, if you purchase or purchased the rivets from ANY supplier in the USA (encluding Wicks or A&S) other than Zenith they will NOT BE the correct rivet that Mr Heintz recommends. Its your 60,000 pennies, and your piece of mind Monty At 06:57 AM 3/3/05 -0800, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" > >> > >As a scratch builder with questions about assembly and modifications, I >figured the few extra pennies were more than repaid when I called ZAC with >questions. Value added by tech support was partially repaid by buying the >rivets from ZAC, the mark-up isn't much. The convenience and peace of mind >were worth it for me. >YMMV > >Rick ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:40 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: Zenith-List: Sorry --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" I did not put DO NOT ARCHIVE in that last post. Sorry Kevin Bonds Do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:43 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Since I entered aviation, I have met some wonderful people. I have marveled at how many people have been so eager to help me realize my dream of flight--how many people I've met that were truly unselfish with their time and resources, and went out of there way to help me. I've been amazed at the comradery of people interested in similar things to help and invite others to participate. Well today I had the first unpleasant experience of my journey. I heard about a gentleman near me who owns a small car lot and has several Corvair cars and parts. As I have been unable to get anyone in the Local CORSA chapter to reply to my enquiries for engines I stopped by his lot looking for an engine. When I walked inside there were numerous Corvair posters and such in his office. I guessed correctly that he was a member of the local chapter. He told me he had plenty of engines and parts but wanted to know what I wanted one for. I told him I wanted to rebuild one. He said he wasn't interested in selling anything to me unless I was going to put a car on the road. He said If I could not tell him what I was using the engine for he wasn't going to help me. So I told him it was for an experimental aircraft. He said "well I don't want to contribute to that" and waved me off. I looked at him and said, " Wow I didn't realize you guys felt that way about it" He said he was probably the only one who does, everyone else will just take my money. I tried to tell him that like CORSA I belonged to an organization called the EAA and that our goal is to try and promote aviation and make it accessible to more people like myself who are not wealthy but want to realize a dream. He didn't seem to care. As I drove home I couldn't help but think about the parallels between the EAA and other organizations like CORSA. Maybe others have had different experiences with CORSA chapters but mine do not speak well for the organization. Today's experience kind of busted a bubble for me that I can't exactly explain. I am really bummed. Sorry for the long post, I just really need to talk to some folks that understand. You know? Kevin Bonds ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:17 PM PST US From: BillSewell@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upright Channel 6B5-6 --> Zenith-List message posted by: BillSewell@aol.com In a message dated 3/3/2005 2:33:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lgingell@matrix-logic.com writes: My larger images are on a slower site, so it may have timed out. This should be remedied soon. Your picture does help - I have a much better visual. I'll take note of your advice on the flap stuff too. I looked at that page on the plans last night briefly, went green, then flipped back! Glad you like the site. I think between the few of us (yourself included of course) that have good photo-documentaries, we must have all the missing pictures from the guides! Bill Sewell is ahead of me at just the right pace (thanks Bill, keep going!) Lance, I'll do my best. Just got my canopy kit today. Bill Sewell DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:42 PM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric Flaps --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema I'm considering adding an electric flap operator. Please send me any information and photos of your installation if you've added some kind of actuator. I'm aware of Chzec aircrafts unit at $500 +/- Hal http://ThePlaneFolks.Net/ Clickon Construction Gallery ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:23 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Kevin welcome to the area of aviation that many have experienced. IF you're talking to a non aviation person never mention planes. Especially in the U.S., it actually has nothing to do with seeing there parts passing them overhead but it has everything to do with a widow of an unfortunate pilot accompanied by a lawyer walking through the door!! A part intended for a car can still be liable in a plane crash! SO I can't blame them for not selling to us the hassle is just not worth it. So what I do is tell these suppliers I'm building a dune buggy or swamp boat. IT will make them far far friendlier to you. While were on this subject just fro fun walk into a Subaru Dealer and say you need parts for your plane, I have actually been yelled at/ cursed / and roughly escorted off the premises with a warning to never return or be charged with trespassing! And all I wanted was a fuel injector!!! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds eaachapter162@yahoogroups.com Subject: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Since I entered aviation, I have met some wonderful people. I have marveled at how many people have been so eager to help me realize my dream of flight--how many people I've met that were truly unselfish with their time and resources, and went out of there way to help me. I've been amazed at the comradery of people interested in similar things to help and invite others to participate. Well today I had the first unpleasant experience of my journey. I heard about a gentleman near me who owns a small car lot and has several Corvair cars and parts. As I have been unable to get anyone in the Local CORSA chapter to reply to my enquiries for engines I stopped by his lot looking for an engine. When I walked inside there were numerous Corvair posters and such in his office. I guessed correctly that he was a member of the local chapter. He told me he had plenty of engines and parts but wanted to know what I wanted one for. I told him I wanted to rebuild one. He said he wasn't interested in selling anything to me unless I was going to put a car on the road. He said If I could not tell him what I was using the engine for he wasn't going to help me. So I told him it was for an experimental aircraft. He said "well I don't want to contribute to that" and waved me off. I looked at him and said, " Wow I didn't realize you guys felt that way about it" He said he was probably the only one who does, everyone else will just take my money. I tried to tell him that like CORSA I belonged to an organization called the EAA and that our goal is to try and promote aviation and make it accessible to more people like myself who are not wealthy but want to realize a dream. He didn't seem to care. As I drove home I couldn't help but think about the parallels between the EAA and other organizations like CORSA. Maybe others have had different experiences with CORSA chapters but mine do not speak well for the organization. Today's experience kind of busted a bubble for me that I can't exactly explain. I am really bummed. Sorry for the long post, I just really need to talk to some folks that understand. You know? Kevin Bonds ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:19 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Electric Flaps --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" I don't have any pictures, I will take some tomorrow and send you some. I had plenty when I built it, but my hard drive blew it's cork and they were some of the ones I couldn't get back. I will tell you that it works very well. The actuator was about $185, the travel sensor was $30 and I am using buttons on my control stick. I just added a page on my site that has the addresses and part numbers for the actuator and sensor. Check out, www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/what.html. Take care, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Rozema" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric Flaps > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema > > I'm considering adding an electric flap operator. Please send me any > information and photos of your installation if you've added some kind of > actuator. > > I'm aware of Chzec aircrafts unit at $500 +/- > > Hal > http://ThePlaneFolks.Net/ > Clickon Construction Gallery > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:19 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Kevin, don't get too excided. There are a lot of uninformed/misinformed or just stubborn people in this world. They live in a very small world. There is a guy about three miles from me that has a very nice grass strip, but he ain't gonna allow no damn experimental on his strip, his words not mine. I know him quite well, he will grudgingly let me use his field. I'm sure I can change his mind if he will ever get in my 701. He thinks Champs are the best thing since the Beetles. He is in for an awakening. Larry N1345L Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinbonds" Subject: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" > > Since I entered aviation, I have met some wonderful people. I have marveled > at how many people have been so eager to help me realize my dream of > flight--how many people I've met that were truly unselfish with their time > and resources, and went out of there way to help me. I've been amazed at the > comradery of people interested in similar things to help and invite others > to participate. > > > Well today I had the first unpleasant experience of my journey. > > > I heard about a gentleman near me who owns a small car lot and has several > Corvair cars and parts. As I have been unable to get anyone in the Local > CORSA chapter to reply to my enquiries for engines I stopped by his lot > looking for an engine. When I walked inside there were numerous Corvair > posters and such in his office. I guessed correctly that he was a member of > the local chapter. He told me he had plenty of engines and parts but wanted > to know what I wanted one for. I told him I wanted to rebuild one. He said > he wasn't interested in selling anything to me unless I was going to put a > car on the road. He said If I could not tell him what I was using the engine > for he wasn't going to help me. So I told him it was for an experimental > aircraft. He said "well I don't want to contribute to that" and waved me > off. I looked at him and said, " Wow I didn't realize you guys felt that way > about it" He said he was probably the only one who does, everyone else will > just take my money. I tried to tell him that like CORSA I belonged to an > organization called the EAA and that our goal is to try and promote aviation > and make it accessible to more people like myself who are not wealthy but > want to realize a dream. He didn't seem to care. > > > As I drove home I couldn't help but think about the parallels between the > EAA and other organizations like CORSA. Maybe others have had different > experiences with CORSA chapters but mine do not speak well for the > organization. Today's experience kind of busted a bubble for me that I can't > exactly explain. I am really bummed. Sorry for the long post, I just really > need to talk to some folks that understand. You know? > > > Kevin Bonds > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:20 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Nope, I didn't get any and here is why. I use lavasoft's adwatch, I use AVG virus protection and I use mailwasher. All three do different types of screening and all three have free versions. All three offer better versions for small fees, I bought lavasoft and mailwasher, I use the free Avg. Lavasoft does spyware and adware, AVG (grisoft.com), checks incoming and out going mail for viruses and mailwasher lets you control your incoming e-mail at the server level. Works for me, but you must keep them updated. I do updates on a night time automatic update schedule. Sometimes, very rarely I do get a spam, but I catch it with mailwasher and blacklist it and never see one from them again. Just passing it on for those who are interested. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Howerton" Subject: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" > > Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other > day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails > from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have > been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The > subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from > various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You > visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI. > > Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate > from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in > Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin > got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen > scraping on this list, it would make sense. > > So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately? > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:48 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upright Channel 6B5-6 --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL OK you two overachievers - I'm watching Survivor with my girls this evening. Next we are going to watch "The Donald" (The Apprentice) so you guys have an opportunity to do some catching up. I did get my instrument panel drilled and ready for deburring before I came inside. I reached under the baggage compartment and took a few blind pictures of the area behind the rear channels. I hope these help: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Behind_Rear_Channel2.JPG http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Behind_Rear_Channel1.JPG Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com DO NOT ARCHIVE BillSewell@aol.com wrote: Lance, I'll do my best. Just got my canopy kit today. Bill Sewell DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:15 PM PST US From: Clifford Dow Subject: Zenith-List: Kitfox vs. CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Clifford Dow I'm convinced I want a CH701 - I was wondering when you all were deciding what to build/own - what were the advantages of the CH701 Vs the Kitfox. I know of a Kitfox with a 100 hp contenental for $28K. I built an RV-7A and sold it - not right for me and my runway - comes in too fast for me anyhow. The CH701 seems like it would be a good fit for me. I'd just feel more comfortable buying one if you all could point out some of the advantages of the CH701 vs the kitfox. I'm really interested in possibly mounting floats and being able to land in the back country? thanks cliff cdowjr@yahoo.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:51 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Same happens to me with the Yahoo spam filter, a good thing we have is a temporay junk folder for all the spam, If the spam is stoped completly and automatic, sometimes a "good" mail could be sent there and will be deleted without user noticing, About 1 of every 10 spam mails I recieve in that folder are list mails snt there by error, so just move them to the inbox and delete the unwanted ones. Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive.. Larry Martin wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Nope, I didn't get any and here is why. I use lavasoft's adwatch, I use AVG virus protection and I use mailwasher. All three do different types of screening and all three have free versions. All three offer better versions for small fees, I bought lavasoft and mailwasher, I use the free Avg. Lavasoft does spyware and adware, AVG (grisoft.com), checks incoming and out going mail for viruses and mailwasher lets you control your incoming e-mail at the server level. Works for me, but you must keep them updated. I do updates on a night time automatic update schedule. Sometimes, very rarely I do get a spam, but I catch it with mailwasher and blacklist it and never see one from them again. Just passing it on for those who are interested. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Howerton" Subject: Zenith-List: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" > > Zed Smith mentioned the other day that he turned on his computer the other > day for the first time, and found "nearly a hundred "Paris Hilton" e-mails > from places we haven't even thought of bombing yet." I too recently have > been bombarded with emails with attachments infected with viruses. The > subject line is usually one of two things: "Paris Hilton Pure" from > various places (some even claiming to come from Matronics.com), or "You > visit illegal web sites" that claims to be from the FBI. > > Looking at the originating IP address in the headers, they seem to originate > from one of the private IP's with cable.casema.nl -- an ISP located in > Amsterdam. I've been trying to figure out just how or where these vermin > got my email address from. If these maggot imitators have been screen > scraping on this list, it would make sense. > > So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately? > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:47 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Upright Channel 6B5-6 From: "Lance Gingell" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" Thanks Scott! Those pictures help. I'm heading back out to the workshop with a nice cold one. Enjoy your tv shows - Bill -) (couldn't help myself!) ..lance DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upright Channel 6B5-6 --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL OK you two overachievers - I'm watching Survivor with my girls this evening. Next we are going to watch "The Donald" (The Apprentice) so you guys have an opportunity to do some catching up. I did get my instrument panel drilled and ready for deburring before I came inside. I reached under the baggage compartment and took a few blind pictures of the area behind the rear channels. I hope these help: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Behind_Rear_Channel2.JPG http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Behind_Rear_Channel1.JPG Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com DO NOT ARCHIVE BillSewell@aol.com wrote: Lance, I'll do my best. Just got my canopy kit today. Bill Sewell DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:14 PM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Amen to what others are saying about buying auto parts for planes. I got to the point of telling the parts folks that I needed my VW parts for an "off road vehicle" they didn't blink and I wasn't lying. Ron N601TD do not archive Cdngoose wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > >Kevin welcome to the area of aviation that many have experienced. IF >you're talking to a non aviation person never mention planes. Especially >in the U.S., it actually has nothing to do with seeing there parts >passing them overhead but it has everything to do with a widow of an >unfortunate pilot accompanied by a lawyer walking through the door!! A >part intended for a car can still be liable in a plane crash! SO I can't >blame them for not selling to us the hassle is just not worth it. So >what I do is tell these suppliers I'm building a dune buggy or swamp >boat. IT will make them far far friendlier to you. While were on this >subject just fro fun walk into a Subaru Dealer and say you need parts >for your plane, I have actually been yelled at/ cursed / and roughly >escorted off the premises with a warning to never return or be charged >with trespassing! And all I wanted was a fuel injector!!! > >Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario >Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 >President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter >www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds >To: corvaircraft@mylist.net; zenith-list@matronics.com; >eaachapter162@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Somewhat off topic > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" > >Since I entered aviation, I have met some wonderful people. I have >marveled >at how many people have been so eager to help me realize my dream of >flight--how many people I've met that were truly unselfish with their >time >and resources, and went out of there way to help me. I've been amazed at >the >comradery of people interested in similar things to help and invite >others >to participate. > > >Well today I had the first unpleasant experience of my journey. > > > I heard about a gentleman near me who owns a small car lot and has >several >Corvair cars and parts. As I have been unable to get anyone in the Local >CORSA chapter to reply to my enquiries for engines I stopped by his lot >looking for an engine. When I walked inside there were numerous Corvair >posters and such in his office. I guessed correctly that he was a member >of >the local chapter. He told me he had plenty of engines and parts but >wanted >to know what I wanted one for. I told him I wanted to rebuild one. He >said >he wasn't interested in selling anything to me unless I was going to put >a >car on the road. He said If I could not tell him what I was using the >engine >for he wasn't going to help me. So I told him it was for an experimental >aircraft. He said "well I don't want to contribute to that" and waved me >off. I looked at him and said, " Wow I didn't realize you guys felt that >way >about it" He said he was probably the only one who does, everyone else >will >just take my money. I tried to tell him that like CORSA I belonged to an >organization called the EAA and that our goal is to try and promote >aviation >and make it accessible to more people like myself who are not wealthy >but >want to realize a dream. He didn't seem to care. > > >As I drove home I couldn't help but think about the parallels between >the >EAA and other organizations like CORSA. Maybe others have had different >experiences with CORSA chapters but mine do not speak well for the >organization. Today's experience kind of busted a bubble for me that I >can't >exactly explain. I am really bummed. Sorry for the long post, I just >really >need to talk to some folks that understand. You know? > > >Kevin Bonds > > > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:08 PM PST US From: Tim & Diane Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland Although many like paying more for "better quality rivets", I have bought probably over 4000 directly from my local distributor( I stop there at lunch). These are exactly the same rivets the Zenair sells. As a scratch builder finding the best deal for everything I buy is part of the building process not something to be disregarded as to trivial for my time. First there was that story about only using the good rivets from the plant in England, then it turns out that plant has been closed and they all come form China. My position on this is that if this size/brand of rivets is so unreliable that every lot has to be tested, then we should not be using them! Also is the testing done on each manufacturing lot? Do they know the date location codes of the rivets being tested. The point is if you buy a bag of rivets they may or may not have been made at the same time or place. Pulling out a couple of rivets to test does not guarantee that the whole lot is good. Tim Shankland Clyde Barcus wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" > >In my opinion, Zac rivets backed up by their testing is a good deal even if you pay a little more. I have been working with their rivets for about a year now and I have found the rivets to be very consistent. I determined early on that I could pull A-4 rivets at 40 pounds and A-5 at 60 pounds, this was the minimum pressure the rivets could be pulled. I use a good quality pressure gauge and only 1 pound less on either one and it does not work, on there other hand, I seldom encounter a rivet that requires 1 or 2 pounds more to work. When that happens I increase pressure, pull the rivet, and readjust the pressure to minimum again. > > >Clyde Barcus >601 XL Builder > > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:33 PM PST US From: "Richard Broom" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Kitfox vs. CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Broom" Cliff; I have been lurking on the Kitfox list for about two years and on the Zenith for about six months. The Kitfox people are a fine bunch and their aircraft is also very good. Their problem is that Skystar is in serious financial trouble. The Zac people are a much happier lot. The company is great and chances are the support will be there for a long, long time. I have made up my mind to get a 601 XL in the next year. It has been too hard for me to save the money for an airplane to gamble it on one from an unstable company. Good luck. Mike Broom -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford Dow Subject: Zenith-List: Kitfox vs. CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Clifford Dow I'm convinced I want a CH701 - I was wondering when you all were deciding what to build/own - what were the advantages of the CH701 Vs the Kitfox. I know of a Kitfox with a 100 hp contenental for $28K. I built an RV-7A and sold it - not right for me and my runway - comes in too fast for me anyhow. The CH701 seems like it would be a good fit for me. I'd just feel more comfortable buying one if you all could point out some of the advantages of the CH701 vs the kitfox. I'm really interested in possibly mounting floats and being able to land in the back country? thanks cliff cdowjr@yahoo.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:52 PM PST US From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rivets --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" I think the Zenith approach to screening batches of rivets is a little worrying. In a manufacturing situation you may use this approach to identify manufacturing process problems which would be subsequently fixed. Probably finding inconsistencies in the metals being used for the rivets, problems with the dies or equipment used to make them. Over time the quality improves as you change the manufacturing and inspection processes to close these holes. Now if the Zenith testing doesn't get fed back to improving how the factory manufactures the rivets it will continue to be an ongoing gamble for us irrespective of whether samples from the batch have been tested by Zenith. Even the notion of there being good batches and bad batches of rivet is a little scary. It is a very convenient solution to the problem but being a sceptic I doubt whether sufficient testing has been done to prove this beyond doubt. I could buy the argument that the rivets manufactured in the UK were of a different quality to the ones manufactured in another country, with the testing over time reinforcing this. But it is nonesense to think that you can use sample testing to pick good batches of rivets coming from a single manufacturer without traceability of individual parts through the whole manufacturing process. Having had that rant, I wonder whether the cherry N or Q rivets can be used instead? Graham Kirby 601HD