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1. 03:58 AM - Re: 701 Electric Flaps (Rick)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Somewhat off topic (Michel Therrien)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Rico Voss)
4. 06:09 AM - ATV (Grant Corriveau)
5. 06:26 AM - Friendly local "car parts" dealer (Zed Smith)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: Rivets (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
7. 09:40 AM - Re: Rivets (Lance Gingell)
8. 12:25 PM - Rivets redux - (Richard T. Perry)
9. 12:38 PM - Re: 701 Electric Flaps (Aaron)
10. 01:56 PM - Flap Motor switch Warning (Sigmo@aol.com)
11. 02:22 PM - microswitch (Zed Smith)
12. 02:33 PM - Re: microswitch, update (Zed Smith)
13. 02:51 PM - I am pissed (Johann G.)
14. 03:45 PM - Re: I am pissed (Michel Therrien)
15. 04:40 PM - Re: I am pissed (Don Walker)
16. 04:52 PM - Re: Rivets (Gary Gower)
17. 04:58 PM - Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? (Gary Gower)
18. 06:48 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 46 Msgs - 03/03/05 (Jeff Davidson)
19. 06:57 PM - Re: about Sale (etn industries ltd.)
20. 07:16 PM - Electric Flaps (Larry Martin)
21. 07:21 PM - Re: about Sale (Craig Payne)
22. 07:48 PM - OT: Financing for Flight Training (todd@toddtown.com)
23. 08:04 PM - Re: about Sale (Richard Cottingham)
24. 09:01 PM - Re: about Sale (Craig Payne)
25. 10:27 PM - Re: about Sale (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Electric Flaps |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <n701rr@yahoo.com>
Yesterday I ordered my actuator from McMaster-Carr, 6509K82. (I hope!)
Now I need to sit down and figure out all the parts I need for the indicator system
from RAC.
Larry Martin <lrm@isp.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin"
I don't have any pictures, I will take some tomorrow and send you some. I
had plenty when I
built it, but my hard drive blew it's cork and they were some of the ones I
couldn't get back.
I will tell you that it works very well. The actuator was about $185, the
travel sensor was $30 and I am using buttons on my control stick. I just
added a page on my site that has the addresses and part numbers for the
actuator and sensor. Check out, www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/what.html. Take
care, Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal Rozema"
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Electric Flaps
Rick
Orlando, FL
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Somewhat off topic |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I guess I've been lucky in my area. I call one of my
local stores AeroNapa. One of the salespersons even
came home to see my project (he is completing is
professional pilot license). And I get 15%+ off on
every purchase (they give me the "professional"
price). Same thing with two other part dealers.
Same thing with my machine shops. I dealt with four
shops. One for boring the engine cylinders, one for
the cam shaft, one for valve job and I recently sent a
pair of heads to another "artist" who does head
porting. All know that this is for aircraft use.
My radiator shop made my special radiator cap with
adaptor knowing what it was for.
My alternator was sent to an alternator shop for
rebuild. As I told the guy it was for a aircraft I
was building, he replaced essentially everything,
including the casing! (for 100$CDN)
I don't remember telling my Subaru part dealer that
the parts were for....
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--- ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees
> <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>
> Amen to what others are saying about buying auto
> parts for planes. I
> got to the point of telling the parts folks that I
> needed my VW parts
> for an "off road vehicle" they didn't blink and I
> wasn't lying.
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
> About 1 of every 10 spam mails
> I recieve in that folder are list mails snt there by
> error, so just move them to the inbox and delete the
> unwanted ones.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
Gary--
I had the same problem until a friend showed me how to use
the YahooMail filtering. Go to Mail Options, under Spam go
to Filters. You can take any part of the header ('subject'
contains "Zenith-List", for example), and force the message
to Inbox. That way, your good mail doesn't get mixed up
with young Ms.Hilton. Works well now.
Buena suerte,
--tioRico
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> So
> what I do is tell these suppliers I'm building a dune buggy or swamp
> boat. IT will make them far far friendlier to you.
I've used the term "All Terrain Vehicle" quite often. I think this is
especially accurate for a 701! ;-) ha ha
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| Subject: | Friendly local "car parts" dealer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
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List....
Kevin's problem strikes a nerve.
I am constantly amused that the same guy who so nicely refuses to sell "automotive"
parts for use on aircraft is all too happy to sell to drag racers.
Ever notice that these vehicles at your local raceway are nothing more than un-guided
missiles that leave the starting line with much greater velocity than a
cat shot off an aircraft carrier?
And unlike the Naval Aviator, the occupants of these missiles have very little
directional control......
Spectators and participants standing around everywhere, and nobody gives it much
thought.
Same parts dealer has a teenager running around in an overpowered car, and the
kid just got his driving licese last week.
Different strokes for different folks.
Everybody have a great day!
Next week the topics will be "Proper Operation of Cleco Pliers" and "Should Paris
Hilton have a Pilots License?"
Pay attention, multiple-guess tests will be administered.
Regards,
Zed/701/R912/etc
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Graham:
What you wrote is an excellent description on statistical process control; I
am in complete agreement. However, having said that, I also trust the
robustness of the ZAC designs and thier willingness to statistically batch test
what rivet lots THEY will sell to thier builders.
Once the rivet manufacturer gets overwhelmed with returns and invoices for
the testing of defective not-to-spec product then they will wake up. (Money
talks, men mumble.) ZAC buys enough of these things to make a real stink if
they choose, and I hope they chose to do so.
Just my 0.02 worth
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 85%
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In a message dated 3/4/2005 11:41:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gkirby@yahoo.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <gkirby@yahoo.com>
I think the Zenith approach to screening batches of rivets is a little
worrying. In a manufacturing situation you may use this approach to
identify manufacturing process problems which would be subsequently fixed.
Probably finding inconsistencies in the metals being used for the rivets,
problems with the dies or equipment used to make them. Over time the quality
improves as you change the manufacturing and inspection processes to close
these holes.
Now if the Zenith testing doesn't get fed back to improving how the factory
manufactures the rivets it will continue to be an ongoing gamble for us
irrespective of whether samples from the batch have been tested by Zenith.
Even the notion of there being good batches and bad batches of rivet is a
little scary. It is a very convenient solution to the problem but being a
sceptic I doubt whether sufficient testing has been done to prove this
beyond doubt.
I could buy the argument that the rivets manufactured in the UK were of a
different quality to the ones manufactured in another country, with the
testing over time reinforcing this. But it is nonesense to think that you
can use sample testing to pick good batches of rivets coming from a single
manufacturer without traceability of individual parts through the whole
manufacturing process.
Having had that rant, I wonder whether the cherry N or Q rivets can be used
instead?
Graham Kirby
601HD
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
"Just my 0.02 worth" <- you can't even buy a rivet for that! ;-)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Graham:
What you wrote is an excellent description on statistical process
control; I am in complete agreement. However, having said that, I also
trust the robustness of the ZAC designs and thier willingness to
statistically batch test what rivet lots THEY will sell to thier
builders.
Once the rivet manufacturer gets overwhelmed with returns and invoices
for
the testing of defective not-to-spec product then they will wake up.
(Money
talks, men mumble.) ZAC buys enough of these things to make a real
stink if they choose, and I hope they chose to do so.
Just my 0.02 worth
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 85%
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
>the rivet jars when you order your bungees... or wingtips.. You'll know
>you've got the right fasteners if you get them from the factory.
>
I agree. It's frankly cheap insurance. Unless the supplier is willing to
stand behind the fasteners with paperwork - I'd move on. There are places
that the FAA's "cradle-to-grave" paperwork philosophy with regards to parts
makes little sense, but rivets is NOT one of those places.
>Rick
>601HD scratch-builder, 103% done
>
Rick - I have to ask...103% complete - that means you're about half-way
done, right :
)
Regards -
Richard Perry
701 plans builder, one of these days....
A&P/IA
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Electric Flaps |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
> Yesterday I ordered my actuator from McMaster-Carr, 6509K82. (I hope!)
These actuators seem to be extremely fast! 2"/second. You might do forward
loops???
JMO (just my opinion)
Aaron
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| Subject: | Flap Motor switch Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Sigmo@aol.com
Caution: If you are using a Commercial Aircraft products Flap motor DO NOT
break one of the up or down roller limit switches.
The V3L-3 Honeywell/Micro switch has been discontinued and after trying
extensively to locate another switch that will fit the D145 flap motor I am
unable
to find one of the right dimensions that will work on this design.
Commercial Aircraft will not sell you one of their stock. Honeywell will not
sell you one of their stock. The authorized suppliers will sell you one of
these $5 switches for $50 to $70 dollars which will be shipped from Honeywell.
An expensive lesson learned about using loctite and trying to remove the
screw.....
P.S. I bought the only two I could find on the Honeywell dealers inventory
list that were less than $50 and they were $28 each.
Mike Sigman
Zodiac 601XL N7092N
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Have you looked at www.digikey.com
Lots of "OMRON" and "Cherry" brand stuff in Section G of the printed catalog.
Didn't look at web site, but catalog shows dimensions of product
regards
zed/701/r912/etc etc
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| Subject: | Re: microswitch, update |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Subject: microswitch
Have you looked at www.digikey.com
Lots of "OMRON" and "Cherry" brand stuff in Section G of the printed catalog.
Didn't look at web site, but catalog shows dimensions of product
After actually looking at the Digi-Key site, its Section H, not G.
And if it is "snap switches", they start at page 64 or so on the PDF download section.
I've purchased from this site several times, never a problem.
regards again
zed/701/r912/etc etc
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hello list members.
Sorry for the rude subject, but I have to express my anger to my fellow builders
about this bad part from Zenith.
It was finally time to mount the wings to the fuselage. I had been looking for
some time for a place to work on this part of the building. My garage is not big
enough for this job.
A nice man allowed me to use his hangar to do the job, but only for the weekend.
I know this kind of work can not be hurried, but I thought it could be done, at
least fit the wings and install the struts.
Everything was going great until it was time to fit the struts on the right side.
The angle on the landing gear mount is way off, i.e. the lower strut fitting
on fuselage.
I am using the older version of struts, two pieces, the once that are bolted together
in the middle.
Where the struts are to be bolted together in the middle, the angle difference
is approximately 100 mm
I know I could cut the gear mount bracket and bend the plate down to the correct
angle, but what pisses me off it that you think you can rely on the parts you
buy from Zenith to be correctly built. This is not the first part poorly built
in this kit.
I am not a welder so this fix will have to be done after the weekend, which means
I will need to disassemble the hole thing and move it all to my garage again.
Lot of work. :-(
I just had to express my feelings towards the company, even though their service
has been excellent so far, but to get new parts up here to Iceland is no easy
task.
Not to mention the delay.
One day I will be flying this plane, and will not remember these minor cut backs,
but today, I am pissed.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
P.s. If anyone wants pictures, let me know.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
--- "Johann G." <johann@gi.is> wrote:
> One day I will be flying this plane, and will not
> remember these minor cut backs, but today, I am
> pissed.
Hi Johann,
I'm sorry about your misfortune. But what you say in
your conclusion is very much true. I remember being
pssed so many times. Sometimes because of my own
mistakes and sometimes because of bad parts I got from
"professionals".
When the test pilot sat in the plane, I almost forgot
all of that. As soon as he took off I had only a
remote souvenir of all these frustrating moments and
suddenly, these became nice discussion subjects I
could talk about with a good sense of humour.
Michel
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:39:27 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Understandably so!!. I had a few badly made parts and was frustrated with the delay
of them sending a good one, which Nick always did with no hesitation. but
I really didn't like the delay. Now if I had moved to set up on a temporary basis
like you, I would have really been pissed....bad.
But, the others have advised you well. This will end up as a humorous story
one day sitting around a table with your buddies. Hang in there. Walker, Texas
HDS TD
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----- Original Message -----
From: Johann G.<mailto:johann@gi.is>
To: Zenith listinn<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: I am pissed
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is<mailto:johann@gi.is>>
Hello list members.
Sorry for the rude subject, but I have to express my anger to my fellow builders
about this bad part from Zenith.
It was finally time to mount the wings to the fuselage. I had been looking for
some time for a place to work on this part of the building. My garage is not
big enough for this job.
A nice man allowed me to use his hangar to do the job, but only for the weekend.
I know this kind of work can not be hurried, but I thought it could be done,
at least fit the wings and install the struts.
Everything was going great until it was time to fit the struts on the right side.
The angle on the landing gear mount is way off, i.e. the lower strut fitting
on fuselage.
I am using the older version of struts, two pieces, the once that are bolted
together in the middle.
Where the struts are to be bolted together in the middle, the angle difference
is approximately 100 mm
I know I could cut the gear mount bracket and bend the plate down to the correct
angle, but what pisses me off it that you think you can rely on the parts
you buy from Zenith to be correctly built. This is not the first part poorly built
in this kit.
I am not a welder so this fix will have to be done after the weekend, which means
I will need to disassemble the hole thing and move it all to my garage again.
Lot of work. :-(
I just had to express my feelings towards the company, even though their service
has been excellent so far, but to get new parts up here to Iceland is no easy
task.
Not to mention the delay.
One day I will be flying this plane, and will not remember these minor cut backs,
but today, I am pissed.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
P.s. If anyone wants pictures, let me know.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
This is a long beaten horse... (as you say in US) I will stay with the facts:
In about 30 years (at least 20) of ZAC plane kits, I have never heard (or
read) about the A4 or A5 rivets from them failing (no reports on aluminum skins
"opening").
With this said I will stay with the rivets ZAC sell... Same happen with Mr Heintz
designs.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Sleeping well the night before, everytime I fly my 701 :-)
could this be Peace of Mind?
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Graham Kirby <gkirby@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby"
I think the Zenith approach to screening batches of rivets is a little
worrying. In a manufacturing situation you may use this approach to
identify manufacturing process problems which would be subsequently fixed.
Probably finding inconsistencies in the metals being used for the rivets,
problems with the dies or equipment used to make them. Over time the quality
improves as you change the manufacturing and inspection processes to close
these holes.
Now if the Zenith testing doesn't get fed back to improving how the factory
manufactures the rivets it will continue to be an ongoing gamble for us
irrespective of whether samples from the batch have been tested by Zenith.
Even the notion of there being good batches and bad batches of rivet is a
little scary. It is a very convenient solution to the problem but being a
sceptic I doubt whether sufficient testing has been done to prove this
beyond doubt.
I could buy the argument that the rivets manufactured in the UK were of a
different quality to the ones manufactured in another country, with the
testing over time reinforcing this. But it is nonesense to think that you
can use sample testing to pick good batches of rivets coming from a single
manufacturer without traceability of individual parts through the whole
manufacturing process.
Having had that rant, I wonder whether the cherry N or Q rivets can be used
instead?
Graham Kirby
601HD
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else getting spammed with viruses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Gracias Rico, I will try it now.
Saludos
Gary Gower
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Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
> About 1 of every 10 spam mails
> I recieve in that folder are list mails snt there by
> error, so just move them to the inbox and delete the
> unwanted ones.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
Gary--
I had the same problem until a friend showed me how to use
the YahooMail filtering. Go to Mail Options, under Spam go
to Filters. You can take any part of the header ('subject'
contains "Zenith-List", for example), and force the message
to Inbox. That way, your good mail doesn't get mixed up
with young Ms.Hilton. Works well now.
Buena suerte,
--tioRico
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: 46 Msgs - 03/03/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
So is anyone else on this list getting hammered by virus mails lately?
I got so many I changed my email address.
Jeff Davidson
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
i told the list im not here sent by any company , just a small builder here in
china, working against all odds u cant imagine , but i think since if westerners
treat us this way perhaps i should leave this zenith and try something "low
race".
really let down by you guys.
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne
Any more racist responses? Anybody else we should kick of the list?
-- Craig
James Ferris wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris
>
> He is right ,if you can chose betweem and Indian and a
> cobra? always chose the cobra.
> --- Dirk Slabbert wrote:
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
>>
>>
>>Never ever go this way, we've seen enough of indian,
>>chinese junk dumped in this country, never mind the
>>craftmanship, which is non existant.
>>Kick this guy off the list.
>>Dirk.
>>(Bush pilot in Africa)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: etn industries ltd.
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:34 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: about Sale
>>
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries
>>ltd."
>>
>>
>> just to let u folks know something about
>>"outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease}
>>a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india ,
>>{bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that
>>includes all standard equipment ,all documentation,
>>flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight
>>add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in
>>world you wanna ship it.
>>
>> agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im
>>not associated with it in anyways and this email is
>>just for information only im not being paid/oblidged
>>or even know anyone in agniaviation.
>>
>> p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build
>>but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ?
>>
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Etn INDUSTRIES LTD.
2209,howard johnson,
no.500 ,xinjiang road,shanghai
13512171905
021-63801497
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Had a little trouble getting good pictures inside the fuselage, but I put the best one on my site at www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/electricflaps.html.
Larry N1345L
My Site www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Don't let two twits scare you away. Most of us are fairly rational.
-- Craig
etn industries ltd. wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
>
> i told the list im not here sent by any company , just a small builder here in
china, working against all odds u cant imagine , but i think since if westerners
treat us this way perhaps i should leave this zenith and try something "low
race".
> really let down by you guys.
>
> Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne
>
> Any more racist responses? Anybody else we should kick of the list?
>
> -- Craig
>
> James Ferris wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris
>>
>>He is right ,if you can chose betweem and Indian and a
>>cobra? always chose the cobra.
>>--- Dirk Slabbert wrote:
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>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
>>>
>>>
>>>Never ever go this way, we've seen enough of indian,
>>>chinese junk dumped in this country, never mind the
>>>craftmanship, which is non existant.
>>>Kick this guy off the list.
>>>Dirk.
>>>(Bush pilot in Africa)
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: etn industries ltd.
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:34 PM
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: about Sale
>>>
>>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries
>>>ltd."
>>>
>>>
>>>just to let u folks know something about
>>>"outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease}
>>>a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india ,
>>>{bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that
>>>includes all standard equipment ,all documentation,
>>>flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight
>>>add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in
>>>world you wanna ship it.
>>>
>>>agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im
>>>not associated with it in anyways and this email is
>>>just for information only im not being paid/oblidged
>>>or even know anyone in agniaviation.
>>>
>>>p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build
>>>but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ?
>>>
>>>
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> regards,
> Etn INDUSTRIES LTD.
> 2209,howard johnson,
> no.500 ,xinjiang road,shanghai
> 13512171905
> 021-63801497
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: todd@toddtown.com
Hey guys. I realize this is off topic, so please forgive me. I am a
private pilot with about 200 hours, most of it 15 or more years ago.
Seriously thinking about getting instrument, commercial and CFI so I can
teach a little on the side for fun, maybe a retirement career later on.
Since I have started and stopped my flight training more times than I can
think about because money dried up, I am considering getting a loan
(12-15k) to complete my training. Anyone know a financial institution that
provides loans for flight training? Signature/Collateral-less loans are
pretty high interest rates, I am looking for something more catered to
student type loans. Thanks.
Todd
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Cottingham" <mrd@wn.com.au>
Thank you Craig.
Hopefully there are only a couple of bigots on this list.
I am sure that they do not express the views of the majority.
After travelling in China last year, viewing manufacturing and various
agricultural enterprises.I found that although, they have many problems
their standard have improved out of sight ..They are like the Japan some
time ago, catching up with the modern age. Beware the "sleeping dragon"
As to the guy in China would have many problems , not least the cost of
materials and import duty.
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: about Sale
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd."
> <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
>
> i told the list im not here sent by any company , just a small builder
> here in china, working against all odds u cant imagine , but i think since
> if westerners treat us this way perhaps i should leave this zenith and try
> something "low race".
> really let down by you guys.
>
> Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne
>
> Any more racist responses? Anybody else we should kick of the list?
>
> -- Craig
> >>Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries
>>>ltd."
>>>
>>>
>>> just to let u folks know something about
>>>"outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease}
>>>a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india ,
>>>{bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that
>>>includes all standard equipment ,all documentation,
>>>flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight
>>>add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in
>>>world you wanna ship it.
>>>
>>> agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im
>>>not associated with it in anyways and this email is
>>>just for information only im not being paid/oblidged
>>>or even know anyone in agniaviation.
>>>
>>> p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build
>>>but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ?
> regards,
> Etn INDUSTRIES LTD.
> 2209,howard johnson,
> no.500 ,xinjiang road,shanghai
> 13512171905
> 021-63801497
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
BTW: there was a good article on aviation history in China in the
January issue of EAA's Sport Aviation magazine. A side-box lists China's
contributions to aviation: paper, silk, the magnetic compass and the rudder.
The main article says that there are only about 400 General Aviation
aircraft in the whole of China.
-- Craig
Richard Cottingham wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Cottingham" <mrd@wn.com.au>
>
> Thank you Craig.
> Hopefully there are only a couple of bigots on this list.
> I am sure that they do not express the views of the majority.
> After travelling in China last year, viewing manufacturing and various
> agricultural enterprises.I found that although, they have many problems
> their standard have improved out of sight ..They are like the Japan some
> time ago, catching up with the modern age. Beware the "sleeping dragon"
> As to the guy in China would have many problems , not least the cost of
> materials and import duty.
> Richard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: about Sale
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd."
>><sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
>>
>>i told the list im not here sent by any company , just a small builder
>>here in china, working against all odds u cant imagine , but i think since
>>if westerners treat us this way perhaps i should leave this zenith and try
>>something "low race".
>>really let down by you guys.
>>
>>Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne
>>
>>Any more racist responses? Anybody else we should kick of the list?
>>
>>-- Craig
>>
>>>>Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries
>>>>ltd."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>just to let u folks know something about
>>>>"outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease}
>>>>a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india ,
>>>>{bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that
>>>>includes all standard equipment ,all documentation,
>>>>flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight
>>>>add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in
>>>>world you wanna ship it.
>>>>
>>>>agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im
>>>>not associated with it in anyways and this email is
>>>>just for information only im not being paid/oblidged
>>>>or even know anyone in agniaviation.
>>>>
>>>>p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build
>>>>but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ?
>
>
>>regards,
>>Etn INDUSTRIES LTD.
>> 2209,howard johnson,
>> no.500 ,xinjiang road,shanghai
>>13512171905
>>021-63801497
>>
>>
>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Most of you in USA don't realize, the heroic work some pilots (me included) have
to go though in over regulated countries of the world (aviation rules and
procedures, import requirements, etc).
Where building, owning and flying an airplane: Is rowing against the river (bureaucrats),
sometimes we feel is the Missippi :-). and on top of that, when
we build and mantain an airplane, the over cost and delays that we need to pay
and go though to get things from Spruce or any store from there to our shop...
Not the simple 800 call and charge to the plastic card you are used too... worse,
some of you complain because UPS charge 100 bucks... you receive your package
in two days with no problems!!!...
That would be Heaven or a dream for all of us. You cant imagine that!
Friend from China. I have been in this list for more than 2 years, most (99.999%)
of the listers are great guys, few of us from all over the world, we
all share building experiences. We feel like family.
Same happens in all families of the world: Eventually some brothers argue, but
finally all the family will pray at eat in the same table at dinner time...
There are difficult themes to handle in aviation lists: Politics, Religions,
Sexual preferences, Imported products, and anything related about the last
years events , etc.
So the best advice I can give you is to avoid and not comment or answer this, to
prevent the list to go out of theme and cause something know in the lists as
Flame wars (can go for months and never get to nothing reasonable).
Keep all your post related to aviation and mostly about the Zenith planes. Also
avoid jokes, a few here are to serious to smile ;-(
Hope this advise helps you , keep working on your dream of flying, we all will
do our best. Is what keep all aviatiors alive and happy (I talk for myself)
Saludos
Gary Gower
a Mexican from Mexico having lots of fun flying my 701.
Do not archive.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne
BTW: there was a good article on aviation history in China in the
January issue of EAA's Sport Aviation magazine. A side-box lists China's
contributions to aviation: paper, silk, the magnetic compass and the rudder.
The main article says that there are only about 400 General Aviation
aircraft in the whole of China.
-- Craig
Richard Cottingham wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Cottingham"
>
> Thank you Craig.
> Hopefully there are only a couple of bigots on this list.
> I am sure that they do not express the views of the majority.
> After travelling in China last year, viewing manufacturing and various
> agricultural enterprises.I found that although, they have many problems
> their standard have improved out of sight ..They are like the Japan some
> time ago, catching up with the modern age. Beware the "sleeping dragon"
> As to the guy in China would have many problems , not least the cost of
> materials and import duty.
> Richard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "etn industries ltd."
> To:
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: about Sale
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd."
>>
>>
>>i told the list im not here sent by any company , just a small builder
>>here in china, working against all odds u cant imagine , but i think since
>>if westerners treat us this way perhaps i should leave this zenith and try
>>something "low race".
>>really let down by you guys.
>>
>>Craig Payne wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne
>>
>>Any more racist responses? Anybody else we should kick of the list?
>>
>>-- Craig
>>
>>>>Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries
>>>>ltd."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>just to let u folks know something about
>>>>"outsourcing" , you can now buy/lease{99 yrs lease}
>>>>a zenith 701 brand new from agni aviation in india ,
>>>>{bangalore again} for about 44000 usd only , that
>>>>includes all standard equipment ,all documentation,
>>>>flying aproval , export certificate etc, for freight
>>>>add between 1000 to 1500 depending whereever in
>>>>world you wanna ship it.
>>>>
>>>>agni aviataion is zenith dealer for india , and im
>>>>not associated with it in anyways and this email is
>>>>just for information only im not being paid/oblidged
>>>>or even know anyone in agniaviation.
>>>>
>>>>p.s. they make 601 too . they dont scratch build
>>>>but build from kit , how comethey do it so cheap ?
>
>
>>regards,
>>Etn INDUSTRIES LTD.
>> 2209,howard johnson,
>> no.500 ,xinjiang road,shanghai
>>13512171905
>>021-63801497
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