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1. 01:32 AM - thanks (etn industries ltd.)
2. 06:17 AM - Broken Step - 601 HDS (Bill Morelli)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: First engine run (oil pressure sender failure?) (Larry Martin)
4. 07:46 AM - Re: Broken Step - 601 HDS (Kelly Meiste)
5. 08:05 AM - Re: thanks (n801bh@netzero.com)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: Broken Step - 601 HDS (Larry McFarland)
7. 08:37 AM - Re: Broken Step - 601 HDS ()
8. 10:14 AM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (Tebenkof@aol.com)
9. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement (david alberti)
10. 02:02 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (James Ferris)
11. 02:34 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (Craig Payne)
12. 03:12 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (James Ferris)
13. 04:05 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (Craig Payne)
14. 04:16 PM - Re: First engine run (webmaster@upac.ca)
15. 04:31 PM - Re: First engine run (Dave Austin)
16. 04:56 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (Brandon Tucker)
17. 04:57 PM - Side step in taildragger (Brandon Tucker)
18. 06:00 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. ()
19. 06:12 PM - Re: (etn industries ltd.)
20. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement (Larry Martin)
21. 06:20 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (Larry Martin)
22. 06:38 PM - Re: Side step in taildragger (ron dewees)
23. 08:12 PM - Re: Side step in taildragger (Mike Fothergill)
24. 08:12 PM - Re: Side step in taildragger (Don Walker)
25. 08:16 PM - Side step for sale (Brandon Tucker)
26. 08:20 PM - 801 horizontal stab 8H2-10 (Rmtnview@aol.com)
27. 08:28 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (Don Walker)
28. 08:54 PM - Re: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery (Bryan Martin)
29. 09:02 PM - Nose Wheel steering? (Tebenkof@aol.com)
30. 09:05 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (Bryan Martin)
31. 09:13 PM - Phase I complete (Bryan Martin)
32. 10:27 PM - Re: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement (Richard Hutson)
33. 10:30 PM - Re: Phase I complete (Richard Hutson)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
thanks to everyone,
specially to those who rediculed me ,because without them i wouldnt have known
that in the list there are such wonderfull friends.
do not archive
regards,
Etn INDUSTRIES LTD.
2209,howard johnson,
no.500 ,xinjiang road,shanghai
13512171905
021-63801497
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| Subject: | Broken Step - 601 HDS |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
When I went to climb into my 601 HDS this past Friday for a flight, the pilot side
step snapped off and fell to the ground.
Thinking back to the previous flight which was one week earlier, I had hear a slight
creaking sound as I got in but I did not think much of it at the time. Probably
was the step starting to fail.
In any case, has anyone else had a step fail ?
Mine failed at the weld between the vertical part of the step and the horizontal
tube just behind the plate that rivets to the fuselage side. The weld itself
did not fail rather a piece of the horizontal tube tore out adjacent to the weld
point.
After I remove the step assembly for repair , I will have some small gussets added
to strengthen it a bit.
I'll add some photos of the failed step to my web site when I get a chance.
Regards,
Bill (N812BM - 601HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 390.1 flight
hrs. - 520 landings
web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
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| Subject: | Re: First engine run (oil pressure sender failure?) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I don't know much about Rotaxes but on the Subaru we had a lot of trouble
with the oil senders going bad. The fix was simple. Use a 12" grease whip
and move the sender to the firewall or some other "off engine" mount. The
oil senders don't like a lot of vibration. Taking it off the engine cuts it
way down. Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First engine run (oil pressure sender failure?)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Trevor,
>
> Congrats for your engine running. I want to tell you that here in our
Club there are more than 10 airplanes with R 912 installed, There have
been 3 failures of the oil pressure sender at diferent time. 1 engine was
new (in his 3rd flight) so the sender can fail any time, the other two with
more than 150 hours.
>
> No big deal, just need to change the sender, Our Rotax Guru also makes a
fisical check of the oil pressure with a mechanical gauge, just to be sure
that the problem is with the sender, not with the engine.
>
> Buy the way, 2 engines had the EIS system installed (diferent hours in
each), one the new plane and the other one 250 hours), there are other 4
planes with EIS with no problem yet, so having or not the EIS is not a
reason, has to be the control quailty in the sender...
>
> There are only two "parts" of the 912 engines that give problems
ocassionaly:
> The oil pressure sender and the mufflers that crack. For everything
else the 912 are bullet proof engines.
>
> Any first hand oil pressure senders failures in the list?
>
> Is an inexpensive part very scary when you "loose" your oil engine
pressure. Was a nightmare to the first pilot that happened in the Club.
He managed to land the plane in a small place with no damage, but we got to
trailer the plane back, a 2 day adventure.
> The other two, also happened in flight, One was fly testing over the Club
and landed clean.
> The other one waited to land in an easy place, the mechanic flew there
with a new sender and his gauge, find no problem, change the sender on the
spot and both planes flew back to the Club.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
> Do not archive
>
> Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page
>
> The weather was nice and warm today so I took advantage of it and did a
> first engine run.
>
> The R912 80HP runs pretty nice. Very smooth @ 2000RPM but a little
> choppy @ 3000 (I didn't venture past this, see the next paragraph). My
> prop is not 100% setup however. I'm running a 3-blade 68" Warp Drive
> with tapered tips. I currently have it set @ 15. Anyone know what the
> proper pitch is for my setup?
>
> Oil pressure was all over the place. At one point I had a steady 15PSI
> @ idle, other times it was reading 10 all the way down to 3 or 4. I
> don't feel good about that. Since I didn't have a lot of time to
> troubleshoot I'll have to figure this out. It's probably a bad wire or
> worse, a bad pressure sensor (I have an EIS for monitoring). I checked
> the oil levels and they seem fine. I have a Lockwood thermostat in-line
> but its well primed. Temps were right on all over. Just that pressure
> thing which is critical.
>
> Anyhow, its was nice to hear the purr ;)
>
> Just have to fit the wings now and I'm done other than paint.
>
> Trevor Page
> 601HD 99% complete
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Step - 601 HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
Bill,
You've must have gains some weight since I last saw you!
To many Twinkies over the past winter?
Better hit the treadmill or your Stratus will need the prop re-pitched to
get you airborne!
Sorry .... I couldn't resist,
Kelly
PLEASE, do not archive!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Broken Step - 601 HDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
>
> When I went to climb into my 601 HDS this past Friday for a flight, the
> pilot side step snapped off and fell to the ground.
>
> Thinking back to the previous flight which was one week earlier, I had
> hear a slight creaking sound as I got in but I did not think much of it at
> the time. Probably was the step starting to fail.
>
> In any case, has anyone else had a step fail ?
>
> Mine failed at the weld between the vertical part of the step and the
> horizontal tube just behind the plate that rivets to the fuselage side.
> The weld itself did not fail rather a piece of the horizontal tube tore
> out adjacent to the weld point.
>
> After I remove the step assembly for repair , I will have some small
> gussets added to strengthen it a bit.
>
> I'll add some photos of the failed step to my web site when I get a
> chance.
>
> Regards,
> Bill (N812BM - 601HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 390.1
> flight hrs. - 520 landings
> web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
thanks to everyone,
specially to those who rediculed me ,because without them i wouldnt have known
that in the list there are such wonderfull friends.
do not archive
regards,
Etn INDUSTRIES LTD.
2209,howard johnson,
no.500 ,xinjiang road,shanghai
13512171905
021-63801497
Chin up and keep right on riveting. You are doing a good service to humanity....
Ben Haas N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Step - 601 HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Bill
What you describe suggests the weld was a good one, but the Zenith
aircraft are light construction, almost to a fault.
Have been waiting for the step to break off my aircraft or someone's
since building it. I use a two-step plastic
stool when it's in the hangar. Might be good to revisit both steps with
gussets before they have a chance to break.
Thanks for the heads up.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Bill Morelli wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
>
>When I went to climb into my 601 HDS this past Friday for a flight, the pilot
side step snapped off and fell to the ground.
>
>Thinking back to the previous flight which was one week earlier, I had hear a
slight creaking sound as I got in but I did not think much of it at the time.
Probably was the step starting to fail.
>
>In any case, has anyone else had a step fail ?
>
>Mine failed at the weld between the vertical part of the step and the horizontal
tube just behind the plate that rivets to the fuselage side. The weld itself
did not fail rather a piece of the horizontal tube tore out adjacent to the
weld point.
>
>After I remove the step assembly for repair , I will have some small gussets added
to strengthen it a bit.
>
>I'll add some photos of the failed step to my web site when I get a chance.
>
>Regards,
>Bill (N812BM - 601HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 390.1 flight
hrs. - 520 landings
>web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Step - 601 HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <flyingferret@netscape.com>
I had one step break, but it was because my father-in-law used it to push the plane
up the ramp onto the trailer when I moved the plane to the airport. I never
liked the steps, but I couldn't come-up with anything better, so I put them
on. Some day I'm going to get rid of the other one because I don't use it anyway
(I have long legs). For passengers, I have a little stool that works better
the step.
Greg
--- "Kelly Meiste" kellymeiste@jcwifi.com wrote:
From: "Kelly Meiste" kellymeiste@jcwifi.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Broken Step - 601 HDS
-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" kellymeiste@jcwifi.com
Bill,
You've must have gains some weight since I last saw you!
To many Twinkies over the past winter?
Better hit the treadmill or your Stratus will need the prop re-pitched to
get you airborne!
Sorry .... I couldn't resist,
Kelly
PLEASE, do not archive!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Morelli" billvt@together.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Broken Step - 601 HDS
-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" billvt@together.net
When I went to climb into my 601 HDS this past Friday for a flight, the
pilot side step snapped off and fell to the ground.
Thinking back to the previous flight which was one week earlier, I had
hear a slight creaking sound as I got in but I did not think much of it at
the time. Probably was the step starting to fail.
In any case, has anyone else had a step fail ?
Mine failed at the weld between the vertical part of the step and the
horizontal tube just behind the plate that rivets to the fuselage side.
The weld itself did not fail rather a piece of the horizontal tube tore
out adjacent to the weld point.
After I remove the step assembly for repair , I will have some small
gussets added to strengthen it a bit.
I'll add some photos of the failed step to my web site when I get a
chance.
Regards,
Bill (N812BM - 601HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 390.1
flight hrs. - 520 landings
web site - http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Racists and xenophobes are emboldened globally these days. Doesn't mean the
majority of us agree with them, or want anything to do with them.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jim Greenough
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: david alberti <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Gary,
If you install the devices to monitor the electrical system that you indicated
you will have more than enough power to fly on just the batteries alone for over
an hour. I used to run one of the Exide 25 ah batteries in my race car (with
no charging system) that used two electric fuel pumps and three of the 1960's
type automotive coils, one per cylinder and all my electric gages for water
oil etc in addition to two brake lights using 15 watt bulbs (4 total) and run
two 30 minute practice/qualifying sessons plus 30 minutes of racing on a single
charge and never had a problem. In the event you had a alternator failure
you should have plenty of time to find an airport. So you may want to look at
using only one battery.
davgray@sbcglobal.net wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Randy, I would like to see your W&B Excel sheet.
My current thought is to use two Odyssey 17 Ah batteries with two separate battery
buses and a yearly swap of the oldest or failed capacity test of a battery.
Either battery could supply the E-Bus in an alternator out situation and each Battery
Bus would be responsible for supplying an ignition system & fuel pump.
Both batteries are on line during normal operating conditions.
If one battery is used then the weight can affect the CG by only 1.4 to 1.6 percent
of MAC when being moved between firewall and the rear of seat location. I
expect the normal loading to dominate the balance calculations.
I plan on OV protection and LV warning. As per Bob Nuckolls AeroElectric drawings.
Also, I need final placement of the items used in William Wynne's firewall
forward systems so that I don't place a battery in the way of other required
systems.
Gary Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Unfriendly responses. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
I am not a racists but when someone swindles you out
of more than $50,000 you will get your head out of the
sand (or where ever you have it) a word to the wise is
sufficient. don't do business with an Indian unless
you don't mind getting swindled.
--- Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
> Racists and xenophobes are emboldened globally these
> days. Doesn't mean the
> majority of us agree with them, or want anything to
> do with them.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Jim Greenough
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
That's funny, I was swindled out of $100,000 by a WASP. So be aware of
all WASPs and never do business with them :-)
-- Craig
DO NOT ARCHIVE
James Ferris wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>
> I am not a racists but when someone swindles you out
> of more than $50,000 you will get your head out of the
> sand (or where ever you have it) a word to the wise is
> sufficient. don't do business with an Indian unless
> you don't mind getting swindled.
> --- Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>>
>>Racists and xenophobes are emboldened globally these
>>days. Doesn't mean the
>>majority of us agree with them, or want anything to
>>do with them.
>>
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>>
>>Jim Greenough
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
You tell me what a WASP is and i wil not do business
with one, we need to take care of each other from bad
experiences.
thank you
Jim
--- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> That's funny, I was swindled out of $100,000 by a
> WASP. So be aware of
> all WASPs and never do business with them :-)
>
> -- Craig
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> James Ferris wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris
> <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I am not a racists but when someone swindles you
> out
> > of more than $50,000 you will get your head out of
> the
> > sand (or where ever you have it) a word to the
> wise is
> > sufficient. don't do business with an Indian
> unless
> > you don't mind getting swindled.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
White Anglo Saxon Protestant - its going to be hard avoiding them. Oh
wait, I'm one.
So what part of this definition doesn't describe you:
(From Merriam-Webster's web site)
racism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and
capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority
of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
-- Craig
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James Ferris wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>
> You tell me what a WASP is and i wil not do business
> with one, we need to take care of each other from bad
> experiences.
> thank you
> Jim
> --- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne
>><craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>>That's funny, I was swindled out of $100,000 by a
>>WASP. So be aware of
>>all WASPs and never do business with them :-)
>>
>>-- Craig
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>James Ferris wrote:
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris
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>><mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>>
>>>I am not a racists but when someone swindles you
>>
>>out
>>
>>>of more than $50,000 you will get your head out of
>>
>>the
>>
>>>sand (or where ever you have it) a word to the
>>
>>wise is
>>
>>>sufficient. don't do business with an Indian
>>
>>unless
>>
>>>you don't mind getting swindled.
>>>--- Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by:
>>
>>Tebenkof@aol.com
>>
>>>>Racists and xenophobes are emboldened globally
>>
>>these
>>
>>>>days. Doesn't mean the
>>>>majority of us agree with them, or want anything
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>do with them.
>>>>
>>>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>>
>>>>Jim Greenough
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: First engine run |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: webmaster@upac.ca
Well, I figured it out. I didn't purge the oil lines for air, shame on me.
With some help today I disconnected the return line, pressurized the tank
and turned the engine over manuualy until I got pressure in the system.
After a good engine run I can confirm I have steady pressure within the
specified limits.
Having fixed the pressure thing I let her warm up real good and pushed the
throttle progressively to wide open. Top revs are sitting @ 4600 RPM, so
I'm a bit coarse on the pitch. I'll drop it down to 13 degress, that
should bring the RPMs up closer to about 5200-5300 static.
Next on my list is fitting the wings, if I have the time I'll do that this
week or on the weekend.
Trevor Page
601HD. The light is VERY bright in the tunnel now :)
> Trevor,
>
> I suggest you remove the top of the oil tank and verify you have the oil
> lines correctly connected.
>
> Leo Gates
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: 03/05/05 17:49:08
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: First engine run
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> The weather was nice and warm today so I took advantage of it and did a
> first engine run.
>
> The R912 80HP runs pretty nice. Very smooth @ 2000RPM but a little
> choppy @ 3000 (I didn't venture past this, see the next paragraph). My
> prop is not 100% setup however. I'm running a 3-blade 68" Warp Drive
> with tapered tips. I currently have it set @ 15. Anyone know what the
> proper pitch is for my setup?
>
> Oil pressure was all over the place. At one point I had a steady 15PSI
> @ idle, other times it was reading 10 all the way down to 3 or 4. I
> don't feel good about that. Since I didn't have a lot of time to
> troubleshoot I'll have to figure this out. It's probably a bad wire or
> worse, a bad pressure sensor (I have an EIS for monitoring). I checked
> the oil levels and they seem fine. I have a Lockwood thermostat in-line
> but its well primed. Temps were right on all over. Just that pressure
> thing which is critical.
>
> Anyhow, its was nice to hear the purr ;)
>
> Just have to fit the wings now and I'm done other than paint.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Trevor,
IMHO, you might go for 5000 rpm static. Normal cruise is 5300 rpm. You
would get great climb, but very slow cruise at 5300 static.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
Why is it that whenever someone makes a racist
comment, it is often preceded by the comment, "I am
not a racist, but..." We have all been screwed by
people of all different races. If you were to say, "I
was screwed by this business in India called _____,
don't do business with them because....." This
comment would never be construed as racist. Hell, I
made a similar comment about Force Fuel Injection
recently. Did I say that all Floridians are crooks???
No, that would be stupid.
Let's cut the bullshit, quit wasting each other's
time, and get back to building.
R/
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS fuse on gear
wings, tail complete
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| Subject: | Side step in taildragger |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
For those who have a 601 series taildragger - Do
you feel that the step is even needed? Do you use it?
My plane sits so low, I can't imagine needing it.
R/
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clamav-milter version 0.80j
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jeffglass@starband.net>
I SAY KICK THIS GUY OFF THE LIST UNLESS HE'S WILLING HE'S WILLING TO SHOW
US HOW HE GOT SWINDLED OUT OF $50,000!!! HE'S AN OUT AND OUT RACIST AND
DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
Jeff Glasserow
HDS 601
N6384E
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>
> I am not a racists but when someone swindles you out
> of more than $50,000 you will get your head out of the
> sand (or where ever you have it) a word to the wise is
> sufficient. don't do business with an Indian unless
> you don't mind getting swindled.
> --- Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
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>> Racists and xenophobes are emboldened globally these
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
dear james
i understand u might have been cheated by some indian guy , but like evryone would
agree its just one guy and it could happen in any country, but since u take
it otherwise i must tell u i belong to one of biggest industrial family with
head offices in india and 10 global offices in 5 countries and have business
history of over 50 years without constant effort and honesty which is possible
,,,,so ur comment is clearly prejudiced and if u or anyone wanna tussle with
indians just send a message directly to my email, and not on this forum
please Do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris
>
> I am not a racists but when someone swindles you out
> of more than $50,000 you will get your head out of the
> sand (or where ever you have it) a word to the wise is
> sufficient. don't do business with an Indian unless
> you don't mind getting swindled.
> --- Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I use two batteries for two reasons, One, if only battery and it fails, the
alternator will not keep the engine running. Two, if the alternator shorts
out it will drag your main battery down real quick and the engine won't run.
If you have a second battery on a battery isolator the short will not effect
the second battery. I use two Odyssey 680s with an isolator between them.
Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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From: "david alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: david alberti <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Gary,
>
> If you install the devices to monitor the electrical system that you
indicated you will have more than enough power to fly on just the batteries
alone for over an hour. I used to run one of the Exide 25 ah batteries in
my race car (with no charging system) that used two electric fuel pumps and
three of the 1960's type automotive coils, one per cylinder and all my
electric gages for water oil etc in addition to two brake lights using 15
watt bulbs (4 total) and run two 30 minute practice/qualifying sessons plus
30 minutes of racing on a single charge and never had a problem. In the
event you had a alternator failure you should have plenty of time to find an
airport. So you may want to look at using only one battery.
>
> davgray@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> Randy, I would like to see your W&B Excel sheet.
>
> My current thought is to use two Odyssey 17 Ah batteries with two separate
battery buses and a yearly swap of the oldest or failed capacity test of a
battery.
>
> Either battery could supply the E-Bus in an alternator out situation and
each Battery Bus would be responsible for supplying an ignition system &
fuel pump. Both batteries are on line during normal operating conditions.
>
> If one battery is used then the weight can affect the CG by only 1.4 to
1.6 percent of MAC when being moved between firewall and the rear of seat
location. I expect the normal loading to dominate the balance calculations.
>
> I plan on OV protection and LV warning. As per Bob Nuckolls AeroElectric
drawings. Also, I need final placement of the items used in William Wynne's
firewall forward systems so that I don't place a battery in the way of other
required systems.
>
> Gary Ray
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Right on, Bro, you tell'm. I don't see nothing wrong with a little off
building conversation, it's sorta interesting as long as you do the "Do Not
Archive" thang and it stays civil. Larry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeffglass@starband.net>
<version@mail13.mdx.safepages.com>; <0.80j@mail13.mdx.safepages.com>;
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unfriendly responses.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <jeffglass@starband.net>
>
>
> I SAY KICK THIS GUY OFF THE LIST UNLESS HE'S WILLING HE'S WILLING TO SHOW
> US HOW HE GOT SWINDLED OUT OF $50,000!!! HE'S AN OUT AND OUT RACIST AND
> DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
> Jeff Glasserow
> HDS 601
> N6384E
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I am not a racists but when someone swindles you out
> > of more than $50,000 you will get your head out of the
> > sand (or where ever you have it) a word to the wise is
> > sufficient. don't do business with an Indian unless
> > you don't mind getting swindled.
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> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Side step in taildragger |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Brandon Tucker wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
>Gents,
>
> For those who have a 601 series taildragger - Do
>you feel that the step is even needed? Do you use it?
> My plane sits so low, I can't imagine needing it.
>
>R/
>
>Brandon
>
>Hi Brandon,
>
>
No, I didn't put it on my taildragger HDS and don't need it. I am a
pessimist tho and reinforced the trailing edge filler "just in case".
Nobody has had a problem stepping over it tho.
Ron
N601TD
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Side step in taildragger |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi;
I did not install or need the step.
Mike
CH-601HDS Tail dragger
UHS Spinners
Brandon Tucker wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Gents,
>
> For those who have a 601 series taildragger - Do
> you feel that the step is even needed? Do you use it?
> My plane sits so low, I can't imagine needing it.
>
> R/
>
> Brandon
>
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Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:11:41 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
I have taken nearly ninety passengers, from young to old. So far I have had no
need for a step on my HDS-- TD, though it is a stretch for some. Don Walker
----- Original Message -----
From: Brandon Tucker<mailto:btucke73@yahoo.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:56 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Side step in taildragger
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com<mailto:btucke73@yahoo.com>>
Gents,
For those who have a 601 series taildragger - Do
you feel that the step is even needed? Do you use it?
My plane sits so low, I can't imagine needing it.
R/
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| Subject: | Side step for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Ron & Todd,
Thanks for confirming what I suspected.
-So, I have some 601 side steps for sale. I have
no idea what they are worth, but they might save some
fabrication time for a scratch builder. Please
contact off list.
btucke73@yahoo.com
Respectfully,
Brandon
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| Subject: | 801 horizontal stab 8H2-10 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
Gentlemen, (yeah, I'm going out on a limb here), nowhere can I find in my
destruction manual or on line, the angle that is shown cut on the top end of the
fuselage attach bracket for the horizontal stab, 8H2-10. If you go here:
_http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/data/horiz-t-1.pdf_
(http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/data/horiz-t-1.pdf)
page 11, it shows the bracket before and after it's been cut, but nowhere
does it tell what angle to cut it. What say ye?
Thanks. Rog
PS. I'm not prejudiced, I hate everybody.
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Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:27:39 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
James,
When you take one incident and assume that all people of his race will act the
same, then this is a flaw in thinking. It is called a fallacy, or fallacious
logic. You have generalized your experience with one and applied it to all the
rest. Since you don't know ALL the rest, you have obviously spoken beyond your
actual knowledge. Then you have spoken to the rest of us and encouraged us
to believe that THEY are ALL swindlers in an attempt to have us share your false
conclusion about Indians.
You may not consider yourself as a racist, but you have portrayed yourself
as one with the thinking errors and emotion expressed in your note below. The
WISE understand the ideas I have shared with you, and hopefully you will do a
little self reflection.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: James Ferris<mailto:mijniljj@yahoo.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unfriendly responses.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com<mailto:mijniljj@yahoo.com>>
I am not a racists but when someone swindles you out
of more than $50,000 you will get your head out of the
sand (or where ever you have it) a word to the wise is
sufficient. don't do business with an Indian unless
you don't mind getting swindled.
--- Tebenkof@aol.com<mailto:Tebenkof@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com<mailto:Tebenkof@aol.com>
>
> Racists and xenophobes are emboldened globally these
> days. Doesn't mean the
> majority of us agree with them, or want anything to
> do with them.
>
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Placement
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery |
Placement
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I had the battery fail on a Subaru brat once, the battery was completely
dead and would not take any charge. I got a jump start and drove it home on
the alternator alone. It worked fine as long as you didn't let the engine
drop below about 1500 RPM (I rolled through a few stop signs on the way
home). So I know that the alternator will run the engine, at least under
some situations. If the alternator shorts out, it shouldn't draw the battery
down, it should blow the fuse (or fusible link) in the charging circuit.
(You do have some sort of over current protection in that circuit don't
you?)
I'm not saying that having two batteries isn't a good idea, but you probably
dont need two full size batteries. As soon as you experience a major
electrical failure the first thing to do is to shed all unnecessary loads
and get down to the bare essentials. Then look for the nearest landing site.
I'm thinking about using a bundle 8 of "D" cells as a backup battery for the
ignition circuit. Hooked into the system through a power diode it could take
over automatically if the main electrical system failed.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> I use two batteries for two reasons, One, if only battery and it fails, the
> alternator will not keep the engine running. Two, if the alternator shorts
> out it will drag your main battery down real quick and the engine won't run.
> If you have a second battery on a battery isolator the short will not effect
> the second battery. I use two Odyssey 680s with an isolator between them.
> Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
>
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N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel steering? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Dear Experts,
To return to building airplanes: I have read many comments about the heavy
rudder controls, relative to aileron and elevator pressures. Having finally
hooked things up enough experience this (only on the ground), I began to wonder
whether nose wheel steering is really necessary, or whether differential
braking might do the job. Disconnecting the nose wheel, of course, made the rudder
a pleasure to operate.
I have most of my flying experience in Lake Amphibs, with a free castoring
nosewheel and differential brakes for steering. Once used to the idea it never
presented a problem (except one time I did not adaquately preflight and found
that no brakes also meant no steering).
I wonder if anyone has tried this with a 701? And if so, with what
kind of results?
Thanks for any ideas.
Jim Greenough
701 in Portland
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| Subject: | Re: Unfriendly responses. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
On the other hand, He does have the right to speak his mind and we don't
have the right to kick him off any list. You don't have to agree with him or
even read his posts. Just add his e-mail address to your "do not display"
list and you'll never have to see another message from him again.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <jeffglass@starband.net>
>
>
> I SAY KICK THIS GUY OFF THE LIST UNLESS HE'S WILLING HE'S WILLING TO SHOW
> US HOW HE GOT SWINDLED OUT OF $50,000!!! HE'S AN OUT AND OUT RACIST AND
> DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
> Jeff Glasserow
> HDS 601
> N6384E
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I am not a racists but when someone swindles you out
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Phase I complete |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Well, the Hobbs ticked over 40 hours today, My phase I testing is complete
and I can finally get out of that 25 mile circle and carry passengers. Now I
just have to find a place closer to home to park it. First I'll have to get
out the polisher and finish the exterior and fix a few small items like
moving the comm. 2 antenna to the other side of the belly so it doesn't keep
getting coated with soot from the exhaust pipe.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
Message 32
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
If your battery is dead, and the engine is running you should be able drive
as long as you like. the battery does not have to be connect to for the
engine to run. One of the ease's ways to find a bad alternator on a car is
to start the engine and disconnect the battery, then watch the load be put
out thru the electrical system.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> I had the battery fail on a Subaru brat once, the battery was completely
> dead and would not take any charge. I got a jump start and drove it home
> on
> the alternator alone. It worked fine as long as you didn't let the engine
> drop below about 1500 RPM (I rolled through a few stop signs on the way
> home). So I know that the alternator will run the engine, at least under
> some situations. If the alternator shorts out, it shouldn't draw the
> battery
> down, it should blow the fuse (or fusible link) in the charging circuit.
> (You do have some sort of over current protection in that circuit don't
> you?)
>
> I'm not saying that having two batteries isn't a good idea, but you
> probably
> dont need two full size batteries. As soon as you experience a major
> electrical failure the first thing to do is to shed all unnecessary loads
> and get down to the bare essentials. Then look for the nearest landing
> site.
> I'm thinking about using a bundle 8 of "D" cells as a backup battery for
> the
> ignition circuit. Hooked into the system through a power diode it could
> take
> over automatically if the main electrical system failed.
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>>
>> I use two batteries for two reasons, One, if only battery and it fails,
>> the
>> alternator will not keep the engine running. Two, if the alternator
>> shorts
>> out it will drag your main battery down real quick and the engine won't
>> run.
>> If you have a second battery on a battery isolator the short will not
>> effect
>> the second battery. I use two Odyssey 680s with an isolator between
>> them.
>> Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
>>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> In Phase I testing.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I complete |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
You could get turn down tips for the exhaust to see if that would help.
Just a thought on my part, I know the work auto's and motorcycles.
do not achieve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Phase I complete
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> Well, the Hobbs ticked over 40 hours today, My phase I testing is complete
> and I can finally get out of that 25 mile circle and carry passengers. Now
> I
> just have to find a place closer to home to park it. First I'll have to
> get
> out the polisher and finish the exterior and fix a few small items like
> moving the comm. 2 antenna to the other side of the belly so it doesn't
> keep
> getting coated with soot from the exhaust pipe.
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
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