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1. 12:45 AM - Avex Rivets (Hunt Malcolm)
2. 04:15 AM - Re:step (alex trent)
3. 04:37 AM - NACA Sccops (Jonathan Starke)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: NACA Sccops (webmaster@upac.ca)
5. 05:01 AM - Carb Filters on Rotax 912S (Jonathan Starke)
6. 05:29 AM - Re: 801 horizontal stab 8H2-10 (Tom Faulkner)
7. 05:41 AM - Re: Nose Wheel steering? (N5SL)
8. 05:45 AM - Re: Avex Rivets (N5SL)
9. 06:39 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Unfriendly responses. (Garrou, Douglas)
10. 07:08 AM - Re: Nose Wheel steering? (Larry McFarland)
11. 07:14 AM - Re; Battery questions (roy vickski)
12. 07:18 AM - Re: Nose Wheel steering? (Jack Russell)
13. 07:18 AM - Re: Phase I complete (Larry McFarland)
14. 07:21 AM - Re: Re; Battery questions (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
15. 08:00 AM - Re: Broken Step - 601 HDS (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
16. 08:06 AM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
17. 08:21 AM - Re: Nose Wheel steering? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
18. 08:44 AM - Re: Nose Wheel steering? (Graham Kirby)
19. 09:12 AM - Re: Nose Wheel steering? (ron dewees)
20. 09:28 AM - Re: Nose Wheel steering? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
21. 09:35 AM - Re: Side step in taildragger (Leo Corbalis)
22. 09:42 AM - Re: Re:step (Req on XL...??) (Lance Gingell)
23. 10:40 AM - 606 HDS Project for Sale. (Steve Freeman)
24. 10:48 AM - Re: thanks (Dirk Slabbert)
25. 11:09 AM - Re: Re:step (Req on XL...??) (Bryan Martin)
26. 11:19 AM - Re: thanks (Craig Payne)
27. 11:24 AM - Re: Avex Rivets (kevinbonds)
28. 12:05 PM - Objectionable Content (David Barth)
29. 02:47 PM - Re: Avex Rivets (MJBTOL@aol.com)
30. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement (david alberti)
31. 03:59 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (Jeffrey Glasserow)
32. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement (Paul Moore)
33. 05:14 PM - prepaint filler for open rivets (Larry McFarland)
34. 07:35 PM - Re: Re; Battery questions (Tim & Diane Shankland)
35. 07:47 PM - Re: Re:step (Req on XL...??) (Lance Gingell)
36. 08:20 PM - Re: prepaint filler for open rivets (David Alberti)
37. 08:45 PM - Re: Re:step (Req on XL...??) (kevinbonds)
38. 09:31 PM - Best engine/prop for 701? (hosein shafiei)
39. 09:47 PM - Re: Re:step (Req on XL...??) (Lance Gingell)
40. 10:11 PM - Re: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement (Gary Gower)
41. 10:35 PM - Re: Unfriendly responses. (Bryan Martin)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
I'm sourcing materials for my plans built CH601XL. Can anyone advise the number
of 1/8" and 5/32" Avex rivets required as I keep loosing count!?
Malcolm Hunt
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
Time: 04:57:29 PM PST US
From: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Side step in taildragger
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
For those who have a 601 series taildragger - Do
you feel that the step is even needed? Do you use it?
My plane sits so low, I can't imagine needing it.
R/
Brandon
In a word No! definitely not needed. I have removed them.
alex
do not archive
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
Hi All,
I am looking for a part number, not Zenith's, for the Naca Scoops, that are
supplied with the standatd Zodiac XL Kit, a friend is also building a plane,
not a zodiac, and cannot find out the part numbers. (Likes the ones
supplied).
If anyone can help,
Thnx
Jonathan Starke
(Just wings to do)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: webmaster@upac.ca
I'm not sure what scoops the XL uses but I have a feeling it might be very
similar to the ones I used. I ordered my set from Vans aircraft.
A complete kit consisting of 2 scoops, hoses and hte eyeball vents are $60
on their website. Have a look here:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?browse=heatvent&product=ventilation-components
The kit is the combo X2 for $60. Worth every penny.
Trevor Page
601HD. 99% done
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke"
> <jonathan@entry.co.za>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am looking for a part number, not Zenith's, for the Naca Scoops, that
> are
> supplied with the standatd Zodiac XL Kit, a friend is also building a
> plane,
> not a zodiac, and cannot find out the part numbers. (Likes the ones
> supplied).
>
> If anyone can help,
> Thnx
> Jonathan Starke
> (Just wings to do)
>
>
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| Subject: | Carb Filters on Rotax 912S |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
Hi All, (Again)
I am thinking of replacing the Big Dual Card box / Card Heating box that is
supplied with the firewall forward kit, for a 912S, with two simple cone
filters like the Rotax 912
I have fitted the winterisation kit to the card manifold, do not need the
card heat function at all.
My question is:
Do you think there is enough cold air flowing into the cowl, for the carbs
to operate correctly? (Want to do away with the single round filter, fitted
to the lower cowl as well.
Thnx All,
Jonathan Starke
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| Subject: | 801 horizontal stab 8H2-10 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
The exact angle is not too important. It is only for clearance. I think
I
used about 30 deg.
Tom Faulkner
N801TP
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel steering? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Jim:
"Amen" to "returning to Airplanes. "
I have thought about this also. Two things come to mind right away.
1. The geometry of the nose wheel will have to be changed so it would freely castor.
If you just leave it like it is, you wouldn't get very far without the
wheel trying to turn sideways.
2. Tension on the cables. As it stands, the nose wheel steering limits the amount
of force you can place on the rudder cables. I guess this is an issue with
tail draggers. I considered putting a swivel where the nose gear goes and
install the steering rods if I had decided to build a tail dragger.
Now that I have my nose gear installed along with the rudder pedals, it turns fairly
easy after applying a little grease to the bearings. If you decide to do
away with the nosewheel steering I'd like to see some photos.
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (Reserved)
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Dear Experts,
To return to building airplanes:
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Malcolm, you are in luck! I've saved every rivet stem since I started on the airplane.
If you want to count them, I'll send the bottles your way:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_01_05_Stems.JPG
If you don't want to count, just order a few thousand of each size and it will
keep you busy for a few years.
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (Reserved)
www.cooknwithgas.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Hunt Malcolm <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk> wrote:
Can anyone advise the number of 1/8" and 5/32" Avex rivets required
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: Unfriendly responses. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
This is only partly true. It is true that, for the most part, the racist-moron
(redundant?) guy's speech is protected in the U.S. under the First Amendment,
which means that the GOVERNMENT can't jail him for expressing his idiotic views
-- until he starts to advocate the violent overthrow of the goverment, or something
really extreme like that.
One theory, which I subscribe to, is that it is important to let racist morons
speak in public, because they are their own worst enemies. Just for example,
it never ceases to amaze me that white supremacists are generally the dumbest
white people on earth. Coldly ironic, if you think about it.
However, it is a common error to assume that our Constitution's protection of free
speech against governmental punishment means that we have to put up with people
like the racist-moron guy no matter where they may be spouting off. The
marketplace of ideas leaves us free to boycott certain manufacturers, if you
will.
If this guy was in your house, you could of course kick him out, and I hope you
would. This list is Matronic's house. Unless they are part of the government,
which I doubt, they can kick him out. They can do so for pretty much any reason,
including the fact that the other guests in their house don't like the guy.
I should say, in closing, that I find his comments unbelievable and deeply shocking.
The really sad and astounding thing is that he seems to have no idea what
an ass he is making of himself. It's the finest self-ass-making job I have
seen in several weeks.
Cheers
Doug
DO NOT ARCHIVE
---Original Message---
Time: 09:05:12 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unfriendly responses.
From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
On the other hand, He does have the right to speak his mind and we don't
have the right to kick him off any list. You don't have to agree with him or
even read his posts. Just add his e-mail address to your "do not display"
list and you'll never have to see another message from him again.
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel steering? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Jim,
After flying Cessna with less than solid steering and then flying my 601
tri-gear with the
direct linkage, I'd not consider anything loose up front. Positive
steering is one
the best things about the Zenith on ground handling.
On my biannual, I had to use a Cessna 150 last February and it was a lot
of work staying on the taxiway
after being used to the solid steering on the 601. I'm sure your 701
would be the same.
The flying rudder does seem not to correct itself well, because the nose
gear is involved forward
of its pivot point, but it would seem to be a lesser problem than what
you would introduce by cutting
the nose gear loose. If you did, you'd probably have to redo the
geometry of the nose wheel to become
a caster.
Just a less-than-expert opinion of course,
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
>Dear Experts,
>
>To return to building airplanes: I have read many comments about the heavy
>rudder controls, relative to aileron and elevator pressures. Having finally
>hooked things up enough experience this (only on the ground), I began to wonder
>whether nose wheel steering is really necessary, or whether differential
>braking might do the job. Disconnecting the nose wheel, of course, made the rudder
>a pleasure to operate.
>
>I have most of my flying experience in Lake Amphibs, with a free castoring
>nosewheel and differential brakes for steering. Once used to the idea it never
>presented a problem (except one time I did not adaquately preflight and found
>that no brakes also meant no steering).
>
> I wonder if anyone has tried this with a 701? And if so, with what
>kind of results?
>
>Thanks for any ideas.
>
>Jim Greenough
>701 in Portland
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re; Battery questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
Gents and Ladies,
Having been in the auto repair buisness 25+ years, I
have never witnessed a properly sized and maintained
battery flat out "give up the ghost" without warning.
However, anything is "possible".
concerning alternators
It is not in good form or wise to test an alternator
by disconnecting the battery to see if the engine
quits. The regulators provide field current from the
battery to the rotor to induce voltage in the stator,
remove the battery and residual magnitism in the rotor
will keep the alternator producing current yes, but
this procedure in no way verifies a 14.5 volt output
nor indicates the amperage output capacity of the
alternator. Would I trust an alternator alone to keep
things going, no. Could you get lucky, possibly.
Dr.Gray is using the permanent magnet style alternator
and regulator, which I have little experience with.
(Out of curiosity I will talk to the rebuild shop
about them). He is also using a battery ignition.
(Thanks Dr.Gray, for hosting the corvair nite school)
More;
To ask an alternator to continualy put out its rated
current is not an optimum condition for relialability
or longevity.
Bottom line, IMO size the battery to the cranking load
and reserve requirements and size the alternator at
twice the normal running load.
There is no substitute for the charging system load
test and battery capacity load test. These will tell
anyone who understands the concept everything they
need to know. I for one will perform these tests at
least annually or at any hint of trouble.
If battery redundency eases your mind, then by all
means use 2 batteries.
However many batteries you use, don't neglect annual
load capacity testing, you will be able to detect
marginal conditions or components before your safty is
marginalized.
Overkill? possibly. Sound advise? probably.
I enjoy this list and its participants, thanks.
Roy Szarafinski
701 plans
__________________________________
http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel steering? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Jim: I wonder if the rudder would center itself without the nose wheel system since
it is an all flying rudder. Would you have any pressure on the rudder peddles
at all or would it just flop around? The piper uses a anti servo tab on the
all flying stabilator just to get some feeling in the yoke. Jack the non-expert
in Clovis CA
Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Dear Experts,
To return to building airplanes: I have read many comments about the heavy
rudder controls, relative to aileron and elevator pressures. Having finally
hooked things up enough experience this (only on the ground), I began to wonder
whether nose wheel steering is really necessary, or whether differential
braking might do the job. Disconnecting the nose wheel, of course, made the rudder
a pleasure to operate.
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I complete |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Way to go Bryan! Great fun being cut loose to include new
destinations and passengers. I still feel like I'm still in a test
phase of some sort
waiting for the temperatures to require rejetting or something. Soot's a
trail of sticky substance on the belly of my plane as well. Hang in there
and fly safe.
Larry McFarland
Bryan Martin wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
>Well, the Hobbs ticked over 40 hours today, My phase I testing is complete
>and I can finally get out of that 25 mile circle and carry passengers. Now I
>just have to find a place closer to home to park it. First I'll have to get
>out the polisher and finish the exterior and fix a few small items like
>moving the comm. 2 antenna to the other side of the belly so it doesn't keep
>getting coated with soot from the exhaust pipe.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re; Battery questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Excellent write-up Sir - you said everything I said I wanted to say and more
!!
One comment on "anything is possible"..I once had a battery short a cell AS
I WAS CRANKING to start..strangest thing: everything went to crud in 1/2 a
second. I could not believe it !
I gotta get me a load tester....
Thanks again for a very complete and informative post
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 85%
do not archive
In a message dated 3/7/2005 10:15:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rvickski@yahoo.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
Gents and Ladies,
Having been in the auto repair buisness 25+ years, I
have never witnessed a properly sized and maintained
battery flat out "give up the ghost" without warning.
However, anything is "possible".
concerning alternators
It is not in good form or wise to test an alternator
by disconnecting the battery to see if the engine
quits. The regulators provide field current from the
battery to the rotor to induce voltage in the stator,
remove the battery and residual magnitism in the rotor
will keep the alternator producing current yes, but
this procedure in no way verifies a 14.5 volt output
nor indicates the amperage output capacity of the
alternator. Would I trust an alternator alone to keep
things going, no. Could you get lucky, possibly.
Dr.Gray is using the permanent magnet style alternator
and regulator, which I have little experience with.
(Out of curiosity I will talk to the rebuild shop
about them). He is also using a battery ignition.
(Thanks Dr.Gray, for hosting the corvair nite school)
More;
To ask an alternator to continualy put out its rated
current is not an optimum condition for relialability
or longevity.
Bottom line, IMO size the battery to the cranking load
and reserve requirements and size the alternator at
twice the normal running load.
There is no substitute for the charging system load
test and battery capacity load test. These will tell
anyone who understands the concept everything they
need to know. I for one will perform these tests at
least annually or at any hint of trouble.
If battery redundency eases your mind, then by all
means use 2 batteries.
However many batteries you use, don't neglect annual
load capacity testing, you will be able to detect
marginal conditions or components before your safty is
marginalized.
Overkill? possibly. Sound advise? probably.
I enjoy this list and its participants, thanks.
Roy Szarafinski
701 plans
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Step - 601 HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Hello Thread Friends, On the step breaking I was concerned about the dead
fall effect of my 210 pounds so I added a small shock absorber to the mechanism.
One of the possible reasons for a metal part that is hanging such as our steps
to fail is vibration. Then add the impact of our weight and bang, we have a
failure. I hope my solution will prevent such a thing. What I did was take a
piece of auto water pump hose, split it and attached it around the torsion
pipe at mid fuselage. When you step down on the step that part goes up against
the bottom of the fuselage. With the rubber there it absorbs the shock also it
should dampen the vibrations. Small piece, couple inches long. Maybe this
can help, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Unfriendly responses. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
You guys got WAYYY TOOOO much money to be building your own airplanes!!! Why
not donate some to us poor guys and we will build you an airplane. Come on
guys. Lighten up a little. We are in a happy business. Time and effort are at
a premium. Mental effort wasted on the useless is a sinful waste. I learned
my lesson from Hal. Best to all, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel steering? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Jim, on disconnecting the steering, you might consider that the rods back to
your rudder pedals act as anti shimmy dampeners. I fly Warriors regularly that
I rent and one in particular has a weak front wheel shock dampener. On take
off and roll out the shimmy can be un nerving. The 601 may have the same
thing without any lateral support from the push rods. Has anyone flown their 601
without the steering rods ? Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel steering? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <gkirby@yahoo.com>
Isn't the side to side shimmy (sounds like a 1950's dance) because the
nosewheel is slightly off-center with respect to the nosegear steering axis?
I would guess that the further behind the steering axis the nosewheel is,
the less sensitive it is to this misalignment.
Graham
601HD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nose Wheel steering?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Jim, on disconnecting the steering, you might consider that the rods back to
your rudder pedals act as anti shimmy dampeners. I fly Warriors regularly
that
I rent and one in particular has a weak front wheel shock dampener. On take
off and roll out the shimmy can be un nerving. The 601 may have the same
thing without any lateral support from the push rods. Has anyone flown their
601
without the steering rods ? Best regards, Bill of Georgia
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel steering? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Jack Russell wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Jim: I wonder if the rudder would center itself without the nose wheel system
since it is an all flying rudder. Would you have any pressure on the rudder peddles
at all or would it just flop around? The piper uses a anti servo tab on
the all flying stabilator just to get some feeling in the yoke. Jack the non-expert
in Clovis CA
>
>Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
>
Jack,
As the new pilot of a 601 hds taildragger I can give you my impression
of the rudder pedal pressure with no steering linkage attached-- The
rudder is sort-of self centering because the forward hinge of the rudder
makes it line up with the direction of flight. To turn you put pressure
on the appropriate pedal and it turns. There is very little pressure
involved and if you aren't careful you can put a small bit of pressure
on one pedal and fly with the bubble out of trim without knowing it. I
let a very experienced pilot fly some of my early time off the plane and
he noticed minor ruder oscillation when no pressure is applied to the
rudder pedals. He has watching me climb out at a steep angle and saw
the rudder flop back and forth at a slow rate. When he mentioned it I
could remember that I didn't have positive pressure on the pedals since
I wasn't turning. Perhaps a bungee or spring on each rudder arm would
take it out, but it's not objectionable when you know about it. It also
seems to be more of an issue in climbs than straight flight. Every
system has it's pros and cons, but I have gotten used to this one and
really like it.
Re ground handling without a positive linkage to the nose wheel,
that's exactly what the tailwheel driver deals with. Differential
braking is very important and I am in the middle of making Matco's
suggested changes to the brake geometry so I can get better leverage to
the master cylinder
Ron
N601TD
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel steering? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I would definatly NOT do this.
In theory it should self center but this is not a trailing (castoring)
nose wheel design so the risk of it "going sideways" is way too high in
my book.
Unless it has been done before of course..:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Nose Wheel steering?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Jim, on disconnecting the steering, you might consider that the rods
back to your rudder pedals act as anti shimmy dampeners. I fly Warriors
regularly that I rent and one in particular has a weak front wheel shock
dampener. On take off and roll out the shimmy can be un nerving. The
601 may have the same thing without any lateral support from the push
rods. Has anyone flown their 601 without the steering rods ? Best
regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Side step in taildragger |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Me too. I have bad knees and I'm 77. I use the step.
Leo
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Side step in taildragger
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Gents,
>
> For those who have a 601 series taildragger - Do
> you feel that the step is even needed? Do you use it?
> My plane sits so low, I can't imagine needing it.
>
> R/
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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| Subject: | re:step (Req on XL...??) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
All this talk of steps has me thinking. Does anyone with a flying XL
(trigear) think they are really necessary? Anyone leave them off?
..lance (working on baggage floor)
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | 606 HDS Project for Sale. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Freeman <stefree601@yahoo.com>
Please forgive if a duplicate post: I did not see the original hit the list.
Hi List,
It has been a long time since I have posted as I went back to school for an MBA
and I have not had time to work on my plane.
I have come to a difficult decision and I want to sell my project. Anyone who
is interested please contact me off list. stefree@qwest.net 602-628-7000. I
can send pictures, etc. Plane is hangared at Deever Valley Airport. Phoenix,
Arizona.
Project details: 601HDS 90% complete.
This plane is almost done. Anyone with the time could easily finish this plane
in less than 50 hours. The only remaining items are the Canopy, interior, paint
and some small detail type projects. Enough to do though for someone who
wants a taste of building, but not a full blown project.
Equipment List:
Stratus EA-81 Engine with Dual Ignition.
Dual Battery system.
Wing tanks and 8 gallon header
RMS Engine Monitor system
Electric Horizon
NAV/COM Radio
Horizontal Compass Card
Digital Altimeter
Air Speed Indicator
Lighted Panel
Rate of Climb/decent
Strobes
Landing and taxi Light
Wheel pants
Warp Drive 3 blade prop
Automatic fuel delivery system with 2 fuel pump back up. (Fly the plane on wing
tanks only, header tank only, or combinatiion of both)
There is more. If you want details please contact me. $20,000.00 firm. This
is a good deal. There is 30K invested in this plane. I will not carry paper
or do any creative financing so please only contact me if you are serious and
have the ability to pay.
I hope all is well. I miss corresponing with the list, but life has taken a new
direction for me. This is a very hard decision.
Steve Freeman
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Hey hey guys, cut this crap, lets get some things straight:
This is a builders forum, not a place for some indian businessman to peddle his
( copied?) wares, in direct competition of ZAC.
Exchanging info on various building experiences is our only interest.
There were some complaints on said businessmen, which were masterly turned into
racicst allegations, completely off the point.
Notice this "builder " is from China, so why does he take offence to remarks on
indian businessmen?
Also notice, there are no names signed to his posts on this list, we are replying
to some " industries" who is this guy anyway?
Check the ZAC site, there are no builders listed in China.
Perhaps its time for mr. " etn industries" to come clean, at least tell us your
name, builder number, plans number, or ZAC invoice number, this way we know you
are real, regardless of your colour, creed or race, we all do this for the
love of aviation.
If this guy is of such great honest standing, great company, how many years in
business, why is he struggling? just check their website, just about anything
you want, some pieces of 6061 cannot be a problem.
Sorry, this old lion in Africa is not easily fooled, enough of this.
Dirk. 701 SP
Kit # 5228
Tail and wings done, talk about strugling!! most people here cannot even read,
forget tools.
----- Original Message -----
From: etn industries ltd.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 11:30 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: thanks
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
thanks to everyone,
specially to those who rediculed me ,because without them i wouldnt have known
that in the list there are such wonderfull friends.
do not archive
regards,
Etn INDUSTRIES LTD.
2209,howard johnson,
no.500 ,xinjiang road,shanghai
13512171905
021-63801497
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| Subject: | Re: re:step (Req on XL...??) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I think some sort of step is necessary unless you have really long legs. If
not the built-in step then a portable step of some kind that you can stow on
board.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
> All this talk of steps has me thinking. Does anyone with a flying XL
> (trigear) think they are really necessary? Anyone leave them off?
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Say, who died and made you Darth Vader?
Anyway - to be fair prove to us that you actually are building anything
and are actually in Africa. We *demand* fingerprints, photos, GPS
coordinates, blood type and a DNA sample. Until them I don't think you
exist.
-- Craig (ex-Swaziland chimp)
Dirk Slabbert wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
> Hey hey guys, cut this crap, lets get some things straight:
> This is a builders forum, not a place for some indian businessman to peddle his
( copied?) wares, in direct competition of ZAC.
> Exchanging info on various building experiences is our only interest.
>
> There were some complaints on said businessmen, which were masterly turned into
racicst allegations, completely off the point.
>
> Notice this "builder " is from China, so why does he take offence to remarks
on indian businessmen?
>
> Also notice, there are no names signed to his posts on this list, we are replying
to some " industries" who is this guy anyway?
> Check the ZAC site, there are no builders listed in China.
>
> Perhaps its time for mr. " etn industries" to come clean, at least tell us your
name, builder number, plans number, or ZAC invoice number, this way we know
you are real, regardless of your colour, creed or race, we all do this for the
love of aviation.
>
> If this guy is of such great honest standing, great company, how many years in
business, why is he struggling? just check their website, just about anything
you want, some pieces of 6061 cannot be a problem.
>
> Sorry, this old lion in Africa is not easily fooled, enough of this.
> Dirk. 701 SP
> Kit # 5228
> Tail and wings done, talk about strugling!! most people here cannot even read,
forget tools.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: etn industries ltd.
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 11:30 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: thanks
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "etn industries ltd." <sudhir19_us@yahoo.com>
>
> thanks to everyone,
> specially to those who rediculed me ,because without them i wouldnt have
known that in the list there are such wonderfull friends.
> do not archive
>
>
> regards,
> Etn INDUSTRIES LTD.
> 2209,howard johnson,
> no.500 ,xinjiang road,shanghai
> 13512171905
> 021-63801497
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Factory told me (if I remember correctly) something like 4900 A4's and 4700
A5's.
Kevin Bonds
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hunt Malcolm
Subject: Zenith-List: Avex Rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm"
<Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
I'm sourcing materials for my plans built CH601XL. Can anyone advise the
number of 1/8" and 5/32" Avex rivets required as I keep loosing count!?
Malcolm Hunt
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| Subject: | Objectionable Content |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
This is supposed to be a list based on mutual respect and sharing of helpful information
with like minded builders. There has been some very objectionable content
lately and I am not powerless to prevent its arrival on my computer.
New Filter:
If.....Sender ... contains: "Dirk Slabbert" Send Message to: "Trash"
I have passed my liimit where objectional content outweighs any possible valuable
input from a particular member of the list.
Careful Dirk, if enough people feel as I do, it could get to be like the "tribe"
turning its back on a shunned member. Too late for me but you may want to consider
lightening up.
David
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: MJBTOL@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/05 3:46:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk writes:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <
> Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>
> I'm sourcing materials for my plans built CH601XL. Can anyone advise the
> number of 1/8" and 5/32" Avex rivets required as I keep loosing count!?
>
> Malcolm Hunt
Hello Malcolm,
You will Need 5,110 A4 Rivets and 2,880 A5 Rivets. Note: This is for the
601 HD and the 601 HDS. I am not positive about the XL. I am sure the numbers
will be close though. (I got these numbers Fom Nick H. when I first began
building) I hope this helps.
Best wishes, Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: david alberti <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Maybe I,m really lucky but I have never seen or heard of either of these situations
happening in an automotive setting. The only failures I've come across is
1. A really bad battery that had all it could do to get the car started in the
first place (and I sure would not fly with one like that) 2. An alternator
that failed a diode...it will take the battery down while parked and charges very
little when running (see example 1) and 3. A defective regulator that over
charges (in which case the over voltage protection circuit kicks the alternator
off line) or produces no charge at all (which means the volt meter shows 12
volts and begins to drop or if installed the EI, Vision or whatever high tech
instrument system alarm starts wailing).
Larry Martin <lrm@isp.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin"
I use two batteries for two reasons, One, if only battery and it fails, the
alternator will not keep the engine running. Two, if the alternator shorts
out it will drag your main battery down real quick and the engine won't run.
If you have a second battery on a battery isolator the short will not effect
the second battery. I use two Odyssey 680s with an isolator between them.
Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "david alberti"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: david alberti
>
> Gary,
>
> If you install the devices to monitor the electrical system that you
indicated you will have more than enough power to fly on just the batteries
alone for over an hour. I used to run one of the Exide 25 ah batteries in
my race car (with no charging system) that used two electric fuel pumps and
three of the 1960's type automotive coils, one per cylinder and all my
electric gages for water oil etc in addition to two brake lights using 15
watt bulbs (4 total) and run two 30 minute practice/qualifying sessons plus
30 minutes of racing on a single charge and never had a problem. In the
event you had a alternator failure you should have plenty of time to find an
airport. So you may want to look at using only one battery.
>
> davgray@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> Randy, I would like to see your W&B Excel sheet.
>
> My current thought is to use two Odyssey 17 Ah batteries with two separate
battery buses and a yearly swap of the oldest or failed capacity test of a
battery.
>
> Either battery could supply the E-Bus in an alternator out situation and
each Battery Bus would be responsible for supplying an ignition system &
fuel pump. Both batteries are on line during normal operating conditions.
>
> If one battery is used then the weight can affect the CG by only 1.4 to
1.6 percent of MAC when being moved between firewall and the rear of seat
location. I expect the normal loading to dominate the balance calculations.
>
> I plan on OV protection and LV warning. As per Bob Nuckolls AeroElectric
drawings. Also, I need final placement of the items used in William Wynne's
firewall forward systems so that I don't place a battery in the way of other
required systems.
>
> Gary Ray
>
>
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| Subject: | Unfriendly responses. |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on hathor
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Bryan, I respectfully disagree with you. The germans gave Hitler the "right
to speak his mind" and look where it got us. This is a builders list. It
should stay that way. If James wants to vent his opinion he can send
indivigual messages to all of us, BUT NOT THROUGH THE LIST!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jeff Glasserow
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bryan Martin
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Unfriendly responses.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
On the other hand, He does have the right to speak his mind and we don't
have the right to kick him off any list. You don't have to agree with him or
even read his posts. Just add his e-mail address to your "do not display"
list and you'll never have to see another message from him again.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <jeffglass@starband.net>
>
>
> I SAY KICK THIS GUY OFF THE LIST UNLESS HE'S WILLING HE'S WILLING TO SHOW
> US HOW HE GOT SWINDLED OUT OF $50,000!!! HE'S AN OUT AND OUT RACIST AND
> DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
> Jeff Glasserow
> HDS 601
> N6384E
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I am not a racists but when someone swindles you out
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
Randy
I would like to see pix of your interior firewall battery tray if you've got
some. I am at that stage and all working ideas are improvements on visions!
I'm on broadband so send them to me off-list to make it easy.
Paul
do not archive
Subject: RE: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery
Placement=09
From: Randy Stout (
<mailto:n282rs@earthlink.net?subjectRE:%20Re:%20Weight%20&%20Balance%20w/re
pect%20to%20Battery%20Placement&replyto200503060230.j262UiX03420@matronics.
com> n282rs@earthlink.net)=09
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net
<mailto:n282rs@earthlink.net?subjectRE:%20Re:%20Weight%20&%20Balance%20w/re
pect%20to%20Battery%20Placement&replyto200503060230.j262UiX03420@matronics.
com> >
Your problem with gettin actual numbers is that there are only 2 flying
601's with Corvair powerplants that I know of. William's XL taildragger and
my HD. My engine install is different than William's because I was
installing my engine at the same time as William and had little to go on.
I'll send you a copy of my Excel spreadsheet if you want. You can punch
numbers in it and see that it's hard for me to exceed forward or aft CG.
Why do you have 30 lbs of battery? I picked up an Odyssey sealed deep cycle
battery that weighs something like 13 lbs. It sets on a shelf that I made
that is located just above the rudder pedals.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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| Subject: | prepaint filler for open rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi Guys,
I'm sorting a paint scheme and got to the point where someone
in my memory said "you have to fill all those pop-rivets before you
paint". I'm probably going with epoxy prime and a polyurethane
finish, but don't know what others have done with regard to filling those
rivet heads. Is there a real good way or product to use for these?
Would appreciate having some advice on this one.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at 55 hours and winter's here again.
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| Subject: | Re: Re; Battery questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
I too after over thirty years of driving had two batteries in two
different cars die over a couple of years. The batteries went open, 12
volts no load maybe 5 volts under load. I the airplane world my solution
is a two bus system. I used two 17 ah ( I believe) batteries, one for
each bus. The alternator charges the batteries through two low voltage
drop diodes. During starting a solenoid connects both batteries
together. The two gel cells I purchased from Batteries Plus are small
enough that they fit on the firewall behind my Stratus Suburu. This
means that I was able to use smaller (lighter) wiring from the batteries
to the solenoid and to the engine. This also means that in normal
running I can run the engine and strobes, both electrically noisy
devices from one bus and my radios and intercom on the other, thus
reducing noise.
Tim Shankland
Crvsecretary@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>
>
>Excellent write-up Sir - you said everything I said I wanted to say and more
>!!
>
>One comment on "anything is possible"..I once had a battery short a cell AS
>I WAS CRANKING to start..strangest thing: everything went to crud in 1/2 a
>second. I could not believe it !
>
>I gotta get me a load tester....
>
>Thanks again for a very complete and informative post
>
>
>Tracy Smith
>Naugatuck, CT
>601xl tail 85%
>do not archive
>
>
>In a message dated 3/7/2005 10:15:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>rvickski@yahoo.com writes:
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
>
>Gents and Ladies,
>Having been in the auto repair buisness 25+ years, I
>have never witnessed a properly sized and maintained
>battery flat out "give up the ghost" without warning.
>However, anything is "possible".
>
>concerning alternators
>It is not in good form or wise to test an alternator
>by disconnecting the battery to see if the engine
>quits. The regulators provide field current from the
>battery to the rotor to induce voltage in the stator,
>remove the battery and residual magnitism in the rotor
>will keep the alternator producing current yes, but
>this procedure in no way verifies a 14.5 volt output
>nor indicates the amperage output capacity of the
>alternator. Would I trust an alternator alone to keep
>things going, no. Could you get lucky, possibly.
>
>Dr.Gray is using the permanent magnet style alternator
>and regulator, which I have little experience with.
>(Out of curiosity I will talk to the rebuild shop
>about them). He is also using a battery ignition.
>(Thanks Dr.Gray, for hosting the corvair nite school)
>
>More;
>To ask an alternator to continualy put out its rated
>current is not an optimum condition for relialability
>or longevity.
>
>Bottom line, IMO size the battery to the cranking load
>and reserve requirements and size the alternator at
>twice the normal running load.
>
>There is no substitute for the charging system load
>test and battery capacity load test. These will tell
>anyone who understands the concept everything they
>need to know. I for one will perform these tests at
>least annually or at any hint of trouble.
>
>If battery redundency eases your mind, then by all
>means use 2 batteries.
>
>However many batteries you use, don't neglect annual
>load capacity testing, you will be able to detect
>marginal conditions or components before your safty is
>marginalized.
>
>Overkill? possibly. Sound advise? probably.
>
>I enjoy this list and its participants, thanks.
>Roy Szarafinski
>701 plans
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Hmm. my 'inside leg' (inseam?) is 26" ...sounds like *I* need a step then!!!
...lance
Do not archive my physical shortcomings
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From: "Bryan Martin"<bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re:step (Req on XL...??)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I think some sort of step is necessary unless you have really long legs. If
not the built-in step then a portable step of some kind that you can stow on
board.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
> All this talk of steps has me thinking. Does anyone with a flying XL
> (trigear) think they are really necessary? Anyone leave them off?
>
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N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
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| Subject: | prepaint filler for open rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
I used Air :)
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Zenith-List: prepaint filler for open rivets
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi Guys,
I'm sorting a paint scheme and got to the point where someone
in my memory said "you have to fill all those pop-rivets before you
paint". I'm probably going with epoxy prime and a polyurethane
finish, but don't know what others have done with regard to filling those
rivet heads. Is there a real good way or product to use for these?
Would appreciate having some advice on this one.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at 55 hours and winter's here again.
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| Subject: | re:step (Req on XL...??) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Is that a European size 26? (for those who don't know Lance--he's British)
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Kevin Bonds
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance Gingell
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re:step (Req on XL...??)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Hmm. my 'inside leg' (inseam?) is 26" ...sounds like *I* need a step then!!!
...lance
Do not archive my physical shortcomings
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bryan Martin"<bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re:step (Req on XL...??)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I think some sort of step is necessary unless you have really long legs. If
not the built-in step then a portable step of some kind that you can stow on
board.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
> All this talk of steps has me thinking. Does anyone with a flying XL
> (trigear) think they are really necessary? Anyone leave them off?
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Best engine/prop for 701? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: hosein shafiei <shafiei8000@yahoo.ca>
Dear Lisrers,
What is the best engine/prop for 701?
Best Regards, http://profiles.yahoo.com/shafiei6000
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| Subject: | re:step (Req on XL...??) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
I think they must have sent growth hormones over on the Mayflower. You
guys are all giants! Guess I would have had loads of room in a sonex
too!
..lance
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: re:step (Req on XL...??)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Is that a European size 26? (for those who don't know Lance--he's
British)
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Airplanes and cars are diferent in Mantainance... No one (including me) gives
the car the mantainance as timed as we do to our airplanes.
Normally we wait until the Government's date to give the engine the tune up is
close to do it, regardless of the miles (or km) driven. Oil changes are around
the same thing, for the tires, same thing... The brakes... until they sound
"metal to metal", etc... They are few really carefull with cars, no need
to tell us, you know your car. (Lets not make anothe flame here :-)
With the airplane we are (have to be) very consistent,
So regarding this type of electric system (need a batery to run the engine) I
will advise to design a fail proof mantainance schedule, for example:
If the batery life expectancy is 3 years, change it at 2 years. If your motorcycle
uses the same type of batery, use a new one in the plane and the one used
from the plane in the motorcycle, this will give a "time cushion" that probably
the one in the morotcycle will fail first.
The alternator can be cleaned, bearing repacked or changed and carbons (contacts)
replaced every 200 hours (?) I do this mantainance in my cars alternator
about every 50,000 km, and never have a failure Same goes to the stater.
Regulator normally fails when the alternator is "erratic", or batery is not holding
the charge and the alternator over works...
Hope thjis helps. Just one point of view.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
david alberti <daberti@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: david alberti
Maybe I,m really lucky but I have never seen or heard of either of these situations
happening in an automotive setting. The only failures I've come across is
1. A really bad battery that had all it could do to get the car started in the
first place (and I sure would not fly with one like that) 2. An alternator that
failed a diode...it will take the battery down while parked and charges very
little when running (see example 1) and 3. A defective regulator that over
charges (in which case the over voltage protection circuit kicks the alternator
off line) or produces no charge at all (which means the volt meter shows 12
volts and begins to drop or if installed the EI, Vision or whatever high tech
instrument system alarm starts wailing).
Larry Martin wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin"
I use two batteries for two reasons, One, if only battery and it fails, the
alternator will not keep the engine running. Two, if the alternator shorts
out it will drag your main battery down real quick and the engine won't run.
If you have a second battery on a battery isolator the short will not effect
the second battery. I use two Odyssey 680s with an isolator between them.
Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "david alberti"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Weight & Balance w/repect to Battery Placement
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: david alberti
>
> Gary,
>
> If you install the devices to monitor the electrical system that you
indicated you will have more than enough power to fly on just the batteries
alone for over an hour. I used to run one of the Exide 25 ah batteries in
my race car (with no charging system) that used two electric fuel pumps and
three of the 1960's type automotive coils, one per cylinder and all my
electric gages for water oil etc in addition to two brake lights using 15
watt bulbs (4 total) and run two 30 minute practice/qualifying sessons plus
30 minutes of racing on a single charge and never had a problem. In the
event you had a alternator failure you should have plenty of time to find an
airport. So you may want to look at using only one battery.
>
> davgray@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> Randy, I would like to see your W&B Excel sheet.
>
> My current thought is to use two Odyssey 17 Ah batteries with two separate
battery buses and a yearly swap of the oldest or failed capacity test of a
battery.
>
> Either battery could supply the E-Bus in an alternator out situation and
each Battery Bus would be responsible for supplying an ignition system &
fuel pump. Both batteries are on line during normal operating conditions.
>
> If one battery is used then the weight can affect the CG by only 1.4 to
1.6 percent of MAC when being moved between firewall and the rear of seat
location. I expect the normal loading to dominate the balance calculations.
>
> I plan on OV protection and LV warning. As per Bob Nuckolls AeroElectric
drawings. Also, I need final placement of the items used in William Wynne's
firewall forward systems so that I don't place a battery in the way of other
required systems.
>
> Gary Ray
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
The problem with Hitler wasn't that he "spoke his mind" it was that the
German people were willing to listen, so much so that they elected him
Chancellor. You can thank the French for creating the conditions that made
that possible. Comparing this guy with Hitler is stretching the limits of
credibility. And it looks like we've just proven Godwin's Law again. :)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
> <jeffglass@starband.net>
>
> Bryan, I respectfully disagree with you. The germans gave Hitler the "right
> to speak his mind" and look where it got us. This is a builders list. It
> should stay that way. If James wants to vent his opinion he can send
> indivigual messages to all of us, BUT NOT THROUGH THE LIST!
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Jeff Glasserow
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> On the other hand, He does have the right to speak his mind and we don't
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <jeffglass@starband.net>
>>
>>
>> I SAY KICK THIS GUY OFF THE LIST UNLESS HE'S WILLING HE'S WILLING TO SHOW
>> Jeff Glasserow
>> HDS 601
>> N6384E
>>
>>
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> I am not a racists but when someone swindles you out
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
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