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1. 04:02 AM - Re: vert tail horn ()
2. 04:42 AM - Push pull rods on 701 (Johann G.)
3. 07:18 AM - capacitance fuel level senders (David Barth)
4. 09:17 AM - Re: capacitance fuel level senders (Mike Fothergill)
5. 10:21 AM - Re: capacitance fuel level senders (nhulin)
6. 10:38 AM - Radio and Transponder Wanted (N5SL)
7. 10:54 AM - fuel senders (Tom Faulkner)
8. 10:54 AM - Re: Radio and Transponder Wanted (Randy Culp)
9. 11:49 AM - Re: Radio and Transponder Wanted (Dave & Darlene)
10. 12:06 PM - EAA feedback (George Swinford)
11. 01:33 PM - Re: EAA feedback (N5SL)
12. 01:38 PM - surprise! (Jari Kaija)
13. 01:59 PM - Re: EAA feedback (Robert Schoenberger)
14. 02:21 PM - Re: capacitance fuel level senders (ron dewees)
15. 02:27 PM - Re: fuel senders (ron dewees)
16. 03:21 PM - Re: surprise! (Johann G.)
17. 04:08 PM - Matco Brake Re-work (Cdngoose)
18. 04:11 PM - Re: surprise! (Gary Gower)
19. 05:44 PM - Ford/EAA connection (George Swinford)
20. 05:54 PM - Re: Matco Brake Re-work (Jeffrey Glasserow)
21. 06:28 PM - Re: Matco Brake Re-work (cgalley)
22. 08:10 PM - Re: EAA feedback (Dave & Darlene)
23. 09:15 PM - Re: Matco Brake Re-work (n801bh@netzero.com)
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| Subject: | Re: vert tail horn |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <davgray@sbcglobal.net>
Mike
Re: 6-t-5-3
There are no problems with installing this at building time. I would think
about
installing your VOR antenna when building the Vertical section.
This is not mentioned in the plans but it will be much harder after you
close it up.
Be very precise with the placement of the 1/4" hinge mounting holes on this
part and on part 6-t-4-3. Off by one millimeter can limit the full swing of
the vertical stabilizer.
Gary Ray
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From: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: vert tail horn
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
>
> Will pick up my tail 21march. Looking through the plans and manual I did
not see 6-T-5-3 as being installed with the rudder assembly. Are most people
leaving this part off until later?
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Push pull rods on 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hello list members.
For those who are interested in knowing how the aileron push rod problem ended,
they turned out to be 365 mm long on the lower rods, and 395 mm on the upper
rods.
Total length from bolt to bolt is: lower 400 mm, upper 430 mm.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | capacitance fuel level senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
You know when you fly in a cessna or other certified aricraft how the fuel guages
never (seldom) work. This is the reason why I am leaning towards a capacitance
style fuel level sender. Solid state and no moving parts (as opposed to units
using floats) looks really enticing. I am tapping into the collective mind
to see if anyone has any experience with capacitance fuel level senders. What
are your thoughts? What type comes with a kit? How are they holding up with
use and if anyone bought anything other than the kit supplied sender unit,
could you please share your experience. Thank you all for your help with this.
I am looking at making a Jim Weir style unit but would be interested to know
if it is worth the effort.
David
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance fuel level senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi;
I am using the capacitance guage in my header style tank. No problem in
10 years.
Mike
UHS Spinners
David Barth wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> You know when you fly in a cessna or other certified aricraft how the fuel guages
never (seldom) work. This is the reason why I am leaning towards a capacitance
style fuel level sender. Solid state and no moving parts (as opposed to
units using floats) looks really enticing. I am tapping into the collective
mind to see if anyone has any experience with capacitance fuel level senders.
What are your thoughts? What type comes with a kit? How are they holding up
with use and if anyone bought anything other than the kit supplied sender unit,
could you please share your experience. Thank you all for your help with this.
I am looking at making a Jim Weir style unit but would be interested to know
if it is worth the effort.
> David
>
>
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> Working on Wings
> www.ch601.org
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance fuel level senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
On Fri Mar 11 at 7:18 AM, David Barth (davids601xl@yahoo.com) wrote:
<snip>
I am tapping into the collective mind to see if anyone has any experience
with capacitance fuel level senders. What
are your thoughts? What type comes with a kit? How are they holding up with
use and if anyone bought anything other than the kit supplied sender unit,
could you please share your experience. Thank you all for your help with
this.
<snip>
David, over the years there has been much discussion of a variety of fuel
sender types both here and on the Aeroelectric list. There is a wealth of
information in the Matronics archives. Far to much to summarise here except
to note that an accurate fuel sender doesn't substitute for good preflight
planning and having a suitable alternative. I personally have the fuel
totalizer option for the EIS-6000 and the standard resistive float sensors
in the tank. I've flown enough old Pipers and Cessnas to know to take the
fuel gauge readings with a grain of salt and I plan accordingly.
..neil
601XL/Corvair
Fuselage/Electrical and stuff
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| Subject: | Radio and Transponder Wanted |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi guys:
My instrument panel is installed and I plan to cut some round holes in it this
weekend since I have four round instruments on hand.
Soon I'd like to purchase a decent radio and a transponder, but I don't know a
lot about either. I'm asking the group if anybody can steer me toward a particular
dealer of used radios and avionics and even some advice on which brand/model
to purchase. I live near an air force base and a large commercial airport,
so I would like to be "seen" by the folks that read transponder channel 1200
while avoiding busy airspace.
Any advice or direction on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
N5SL (Reserved)
601XL/Corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
David: If you ever plan on using auto fuel, a capacitance sender will give
a very different reading than 100LL. Those of us using auto engines stick
with the float type so we can mix fuels if necessary.
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| Subject: | Radio and Transponder Wanted |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Culp" <randy_culp@hotmail.com>
Ebay.
http://motors.listings.ebay.com/Aviation-Parts_Avionics_W0QQfclZ3QQfcoZ1QQfromZR11QQsacatZ90972QQsocmdZListingItemList
Just look around at what's for sale on there, and that will help you decide
what you are looking for.
There are some great deals on there.
I bought a nearly new ICOM A200 Radio, perfectly working King KT-76A
transponder and Ameri-King encoder this week and saved more than $1,000 over
the new prices for the equivalent products.
Randy
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>From: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Radio and Transponder Wanted
>Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:36:48 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi guys:
>
>My instrument panel is installed and I plan to cut some round holes in it
>this weekend since I have four round instruments on hand.
>
>Soon I'd like to purchase a decent radio and a transponder, but I don't
>know a lot about either. I'm asking the group if anybody can steer me
>toward a particular dealer of used radios and avionics and even some advice
>on which brand/model to purchase. I live near an air force base and a
>large commercial airport, so I would like to be "seen" by the folks that
>read transponder channel 1200 while avoiding busy airspace.
>
>Any advice or direction on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Scott Laughlin
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>N5SL (Reserved)
>601XL/Corvair
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Radio and Transponder Wanted |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
Hi Scott
Not sure if this will be any help and I've never checked it out yet, ( a
long way from needing a radio) but wouldn't a aircraft wrecking or slavage
yard be a good spot to find used radios and electrical gear. We are running
un-certified planes and these radio's in these damaged aircraft can be
checked out by persons who are qualified. Just seems like a good place to
pick up such gear at a reasonable cost. I may be wrong here but I thought
I'd throw in my two cents.
Dave ( Alberta)
601XL 99% to go
www.borrowmyhusband.com/Nimigon_601XL
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From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio and Transponder Wanted
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi guys:
>
> My instrument panel is installed and I plan to cut some round holes in it
> this weekend since I have four round instruments on hand.
>
> Soon I'd like to purchase a decent radio and a transponder, but I don't
> know a lot about either. I'm asking the group if anybody can steer me
> toward a particular dealer of used radios and avionics and even some
> advice on which brand/model to purchase. I live near an air force base
> and a large commercial airport, so I would like to be "seen" by the folks
> that read transponder channel 1200 while avoiding busy airspace.
>
> Any advice or direction on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
> N5SL (Reserved)
> 601XL/Corvair
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
To you listers who are EAA members ( and I hope that is everyone):
I haven't seen any feedback on the "Ford Partner Plan" which has been advertised
as open to EAA members ( see ads in Sport Aviation) so I'll offer my experience.
I purchased a Mazda using the plan, and it worked as advertised. I found
the price for the car and the options I wanted on the plan website, the dealer
accepted it with no haggling, the car was ordered and in due time delivered.
No problems, no BS from salesmen.
I have no connection with the automobile industry. I'm a just long time EAA member
(with a long time) 601HD project. I have previously used a union car-purchase
plan, but this saved me a few hundred bucks. FWIW. I hope no one takes
offense at this off-topic posting.
George
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| Subject: | Re: EAA feedback |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
George:
No offense taken. Only problem is you have to buy a Ford. I hope nobody takes
offense, but my F150 spontaneously combusted in my driveway one day last year.
Ford basically ignored me on this one. I drive a different brand of American-made
vehicle now.
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
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George Swinford <grs-pms@comcast.net> wrote:
I hope no one takes offense at this off-topic posting.
George
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
CH701 scratch-build continues... at last :-)
http://www.jarikaija.com
http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: EAA feedback |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
List . . . let's not get into a big discussion on Ford horror stories like
we did with the gentleman from India. The flight characteristics of the
Fords aren't worth discussing. Robert Schoenberger 701 55%
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----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA feedback
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> George:
>
> No offense taken. Only problem is you have to buy a Ford. I hope
> nobody takes offense, but my F150 spontaneously combusted in my driveway
> one day last year. Ford basically ignored me on this one. I drive a
> different brand of American-made vehicle now.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>
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> George Swinford <grs-pms@comcast.net> wrote:
> I hope no one takes offense at this off-topic posting.
>
> George
>
> Do not archive
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance fuel level senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
David Barth wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
>You know when you fly in a cessna or other certified aricraft how the fuel guages
never (seldom) work. This is the reason why I am leaning towards a capacitance
style fuel level sender. Solid state and no moving parts (as opposed to
units using floats) looks really enticing. I am tapping into the collective mind
to see if anyone has any experience with capacitance fuel level senders.
What are your thoughts? What type comes with a kit? How are they holding up with
use and if anyone bought anything other than the kit supplied sender unit,
could you please share your experience. Thank you all for your help with this.
I am looking at making a Jim Weir style unit but would be interested to know
if it is worth the effort.
>David
>
>
>David Barth
>601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
>Working on Wings
>www.ch601.org
>
>
Hi David,
I have the Skysports capacitive fuel gauge and generally like it. I had
to mount mine on the side of the header tank because I don't have any
clearance between the top skin and the top of the tank. I think mine
would be more accurate if it was on the top and could be calibrated all
the way to the top of the tank. As it is, the probe is bent 90 degrees
and only reaches from 3/4 tank to the bottom. I get some errors when
the level is above the probe neck but it's ok from 3/4 to the bottom. I
would install it again but it's not magic.
Good luck
Ron
P S the Skyports folks are good to deal with. They talked me thru
which probe to buy and installation questions..
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| Subject: | Re: fuel senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Tom Faulkner wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
>
>David: If you ever plan on using auto fuel, a capacitance sender will give
>a very different reading than 100LL. Those of us using auto engines stick
>with the float type so we can mix fuels if necessary.
>
>
Only my personal observation, but I haven't seen any difference in my
Skyspors capacitive fuel gauge with 100LL or 93 octane mogas. Certainly
agree with good preflights, tho.
Ron
N601TD
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hello Jari.
Welcome back. Happy building.
Johann G.
Iceland.
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From: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
Subject: Zenith-List: surprise!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
>
> CH701 scratch-build continues... at last :-)
>
> http://www.jarikaija.com
> http://www.project-ch701.net
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Matco Brake Re-work |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
TO All, Ron Dewees has forwarded his pictures of the Matco brake rework
he has done and it is very close to what I have done with mine as well.
You can all see the pictures at
http://www.ch601.org/builder%20resources.htm
Look in the Zodiac Changes section for Matco brake rework link.
701 builders can find the link in the Builders Resources section of
www.ch701.com <http://www.ch701.com/>
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org <http://www.ch601.org/> / www.ch701.com
<http://www.ch701.com/> / www.Osprey2.com <http://www.osprey2.com/>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Jari,
Welcome back, glad you are continuing with your project, keep us posted...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Guadalajara, Mexico
701 912S 23 hrs and counting...
Jari Kaija <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija"
CH701 scratch-build continues... at last :-)
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| Subject: | Ford/EAA connection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Actually the plan works for Ford, Jaguar, Rover, Volvo and Mazda products. I wanted
a Mazda anyway, so I gave it a try and thought it worked OK. Nuff said...
George
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| Subject: | Matco Brake Re-work |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on cepheus
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
We just finished making the Matco supplied adjustments to the breake pedal
geometry in my 601 HDS. In addition to adding the intensifiers, we moved
the top mounting hole for the brake plunger from 65mmm to 32 mm. (i.e.closer
to the centerpoint.)
The brakes will now hold the plane at 1800 RPM runup with no problem and
will just creep at full rpm of 2800 on my 0-235 c2c. There is one further
mod we can make at the bottom of the pedal which would entail a bit of
maching which would move the barrel closer to the centerline even more. But
i don't think it's necessary at this time.
Jeff Glasserow
CH601 HDS
N6384E
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cdngoose
Subject: Zenith-List: Matco Brake Re-work
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
TO All, Ron Dewees has forwarded his pictures of the Matco brake rework
he has done and it is very close to what I have done with mine as well.
You can all see the pictures at
http://www.ch601.org/builder%20resources.htm
Look in the Zodiac Changes section for Matco brake rework link.
701 builders can find the link in the Builders Resources section of
www.ch701.com <http://www.ch701.com/>
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org <http://www.ch601.org/> / www.ch701.com
<http://www.ch701.com/> / www.Osprey2.com <http://www.osprey2.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake Re-work |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
If you are getting 2800 on the ground (static) you need more pitch so you
engine doesn't go over the red-line in the air. You will get more speed and
a quieter ride. Unless you have a controllable prop.
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Matco Brake Re-work
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
> <jeffglass@starband.net>
>
> We just finished making the Matco supplied adjustments to the breake pedal
> geometry in my 601 HDS. In addition to adding the intensifiers, we moved
> the top mounting hole for the brake plunger from 65mmm to 32 mm.
> (i.e.closer
> to the centerpoint.)
> The brakes will now hold the plane at 1800 RPM runup with no problem and
> will just creep at full rpm of 2800 on my 0-235 c2c. There is one further
> mod we can make at the bottom of the pedal which would entail a bit of
> maching which would move the barrel closer to the centerline even more.
> But
> i don't think it's necessary at this time.
> Jeff Glasserow
> CH601 HDS
> N6384E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cdngoose
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Matco Brake Re-work
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
>
> TO All, Ron Dewees has forwarded his pictures of the Matco brake rework
> he has done and it is very close to what I have done with mine as well.
> You can all see the pictures at
> http://www.ch601.org/builder%20resources.htm
>
> Look in the Zodiac Changes section for Matco brake rework link.
>
> 701 builders can find the link in the Builders Resources section of
> www.ch701.com <http://www.ch701.com/>
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
> President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
> www.ch601.org <http://www.ch601.org/> / www.ch701.com
> <http://www.ch701.com/> / www.Osprey2.com <http://www.osprey2.com/>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
Right on Scott.
Stay away from the Ford's
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA feedback
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> George:
>
> No offense taken. Only problem is you have to buy a Ford. I hope
> nobody takes offense, but my F150 spontaneously combusted in my driveway
> one day last year. Ford basically ignored me on this one. I drive a
> different brand of American-made vehicle now.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> George Swinford <grs-pms@comcast.net> wrote:
> I hope no one takes offense at this off-topic posting.
>
> George
>
> Do not archive
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
If you are getting 2800 on the ground (static) you need more pitch so you
engine doesn't go over the red-line in the air. You will get more speed and
a quieter ride. Unless you have a controllable prop.
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message
And what is redline on an experimental?? Maybe this is modified motor and he
is running a smaller diameter prop..
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