---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/13/05: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:34 AM - Re: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 2. 05:58 AM - Re: First flight (Al Young) 3. 06:05 AM - Paint (Al Young) 4. 07:03 AM - Re: Fuel quantity indicators (Larry Martin) 5. 07:06 AM - Re: Paint (n801bh@netzero.com) 6. 07:25 AM - Sun-N-Fun (Cdngoose) 7. 08:04 AM - Re: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire (Larry McFarland) 8. 08:12 AM - Re: Fuel quantity indicators (Paul Moore) 9. 10:03 AM - Re: Fuel quantity indicators (Craig Payne) 10. 01:45 PM - Re: Fuel quantity indicators (Paul Moore) 11. 01:47 PM - Re: Paint (R. Saarinen) 12. 03:15 PM - elevator trim (Doug Mattson) 13. 03:18 PM - Cover strip info on an HD (Trevor Page) 14. 03:35 PM - Re: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire (Matt & Jo) 15. 04:59 PM - Re: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 16. 05:02 PM - Re: elevator trim (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 17. 05:38 PM - Re: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire (John Maselli) 18. 05:39 PM - New 601XL Elevator Trim Design (Joe Kerr) 19. 07:53 PM - How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? (Phil Maxson) 20. 08:32 PM - Re: How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? (Jerry Latimer) 21. 08:38 PM - Re: How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? (Chuck Deiterich) 22. 08:50 PM - Re: How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? (Craig Payne) 23. 09:19 PM - Re: elevator trim (R. Saarinen) 24. 10:21 PM - Re: elevator trim (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 25. 10:58 PM - Re: elevator trim (Craig Payne) 26. 11:21 PM - Re: elevator trim (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:37 AM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net You don't drill the pin, you cut it about a quarter inch short on each end and drill a hole through the aluminum hinge material then put safety wire in the holes to trap the pin in between. Or, as some have suggested, leave the pin long on one end and bend it over and saftey it at that end. Either method will allow removal of tht pin later. If you cut it short, you will have to use a small pin punch to remove it but you would rarely have to remove it. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com > > Hello Fellow Listers: > > One quick, possibly dumb question - what's the secret to drilling the > stainless steel pin in the piano hinge for the elevator and elevator trim tab? > This stuff is TOUGH !! > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:39 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" Doug- Congratulations to you. Make sure you give us some "data" on your XL and engine performance. Great day for you. Safe Flying!! Al Young 601XL- Ready to paint ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:31 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Zenith-List: Paint --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" Could anyone who has painted their XL or HDS give me an idea on how much paint to buy? I plan on using DuPont Chroma-one Single Stage and will have paint on 100 per cent of the airframe. Al Young N601AY ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:49 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel quantity indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" The RAF 2000 Gyroplane use a digital indicator and bendable probe for their fuel tank. I've used two of them and they seem to work great, I didn't keep the gyros that long. That may be why I'm still kicking. You might check with them, they are friendly people. I'm sure they will sell you a set up. www.raf2000.com. Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Tucker" Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel quantity indicators > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker > > Gents, > > I am going with the Stratomaster Ultra engine > monitor, which only has input for one fuel tank. > Since my system is set up to pump wing tanks to the > header tank, this will work fine; -but I would love > to have some type of digital readout of wing tank > quantities. I would like for it to look something > like the Ray Allen trim indicators. First, does > anyone know what type of input signal the trim > indicators receive? Second, does anyone know of a > simple indicator of some type that accepts 0 - 80 ohms > input? Since my entire panel will be glass, I would > like to avoid analog gages. > > Thanks, > > Brandon Tucker > > > __________________________________ > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:00 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" Could anyone who has painted their XL or HDS give me an idea on how much paint to buy? I plan on using DuPont Chroma-one Single Stage and will have paint on 100 per cent of the airframe. Al Young N601AY My 801 took a little over four gallons, thats including both colors. a 601 will need about 2 or a little more I bet. Ben N801BH do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:53 AM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> The Webmasters BBQ: Thursday April 14, 5:00 pm: "www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com webmasters will be hosting a BBQ at their campsite for builders and wannabes of Zenith Aircraft. Bring your drinks and lawn chairs and meet many of those builders you know from email postings. We'll supply the burgers and dogs (no-obligation donations will be happily accepted). The BBQs will be fired up from 5:00 pm until everyone is fed on April 14th. Please RSVP using the SUN-N-FUN BBQ FORM so that we may know how many to prepare for and to have your name tag ready. The location will be posted at the Zenith booth along with the pre-registered name tags. We look forward to seeing you there!" So Far we have a pre register of 62 people it should prove to be quite an event. Remember we are fellow builders as well with no commercial intent towards this event. The Folks from Zenith are also saying that they will drop by but cannot commit to it. Mark/Jon/David Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:22 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Mike, My elevator hinges are 2-1/2" short of the tips each end and the hinge is drilled for a 1/32" cotter each end. The captured hinge pin is removed by a spare hinge wire which is used to push the wire out far enough to grab it and pull the rest of the way. I think the a snug fitting hinge needs to be lubed and spun in a scotchbrite pad for a while to reduce it for a good fit and ease of removal. At least this is what I ultimately did and it works. Larry McFarland - 601HDS Mike wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" > > >This is a question that has always perplexed me too, in that it would be nice to retain the hinge pin, but still be able to remove it later if needed. >Mike Fortunato >601XL > >do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:10 AM PST US From: "Paul Moore" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel quantity indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" I've been looking at the Aveo Tech instruments, in particular their FF3 fuel gauge that monitors 3 tanks (they also have a FF2 for dual tanks). Very inexpensive for all their capability. http://www.aveousa.com/ I have installed the aux tanks and am trying to figure out how to monitor and manage 4 of them. Haven't figured it all out yet. I'm thinking some combination of fuel flow metering for total fuel remaining calculations, coupled with digital or analog tank level indicator(s) for tank selection. I installed the std. VDO senders which seem to be compatible with almost all the glass gauge packages. Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel quantity indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne The Ray Allen indicators are simply fed a voltage between 0 and 12 VDC (typically from their position sensors which are potentiometers). I'm in the same situation as you (601 XL with dual tanks and a Stratomaster). What I did was buy MGL Instruments' Fuel Flow 3 which accepts dual senders (http://www.mglavionics.co.za/maxi.html#FF-3). Or if you can wait - MGL has a new RDAC which accepts input from two senders (http://www.mglavionics.co.za/Docs/RDACX.pdf) They will soon announce a new Stratomaster with a color display (the "Enigma") which works with the RDAC-X. They also tell me that it is likely they will offer software upgrades for the older Stratomasters which will fully utilize the expanded capabilities of the RDAC-X. -- Craig Brandon Tucker wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker > > Gents, > > I am going with the Stratomaster Ultra engine > monitor, which only has input for one fuel tank. > Since my system is set up to pump wing tanks to the > header tank, this will work fine; -but I would love > to have some type of digital readout of wing tank > quantities. I would like for it to look something > like the Ray Allen trim indicators. First, does > anyone know what type of input signal the trim > indicators receive? Second, does anyone know of a > simple indicator of some type that accepts 0 - 80 ohms > input? Since my entire panel will be glass, I would > like to avoid analog gages. > > Thanks, > > Brandon Tucker > > > > __________________________________ > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel quantity indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne The Aveo FF-3 is the same as MGL's FF-3. If you read the manual you will see that it only monitors two senders. The difference between the FF-2 and the FF-3 is size: the FF-2 is "SmartSingle" (2.25" dia.) while the FF-3 is a "MaxiSingle" (3.5" dia.) -- Craig Paul Moore wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" > > I've been looking at the Aveo Tech instruments, in particular their FF3 fuel > gauge that monitors 3 tanks (they also have a FF2 for dual tanks). Very > inexpensive for all their capability. http://www.aveousa.com/ > > I have installed the aux tanks and am trying to figure out how to monitor > and manage 4 of them. Haven't figured it all out yet. I'm thinking some > combination of fuel flow metering for total fuel remaining calculations, > coupled with digital or analog tank level indicator(s) for tank selection. > I installed the std. VDO senders which seem to be compatible with almost all > the glass gauge packages. > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel quantity indicators > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne > > The Ray Allen indicators are simply fed a voltage between 0 and 12 VDC > (typically from their position sensors which are potentiometers). > > I'm in the same situation as you (601 XL with dual tanks and a > Stratomaster). What I did was buy MGL Instruments' Fuel Flow 3 which > accepts dual senders (http://www.mglavionics.co.za/maxi.html#FF-3). Or > if you can wait - MGL has a new RDAC which accepts input from two > senders (http://www.mglavionics.co.za/Docs/RDACX.pdf) They will soon > announce a new Stratomaster with a color display (the "Enigma") which > works with the RDAC-X. They also tell me that it is likely they will > offer software upgrades for the older Stratomasters which will fully > utilize the expanded capabilities of the RDAC-X. > > -- Craig > > Brandon Tucker wrote: > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker >> >>Gents, >> >> I am going with the Stratomaster Ultra engine >>monitor, which only has input for one fuel tank. >>Since my system is set up to pump wing tanks to the >>header tank, this will work fine; -but I would love >>to have some type of digital readout of wing tank >>quantities. I would like for it to look something >>like the Ray Allen trim indicators. First, does >>anyone know what type of input signal the trim >>indicators receive? Second, does anyone know of a >>simple indicator of some type that accepts 0 - 80 ohms >>input? Since my entire panel will be glass, I would >>like to avoid analog gages. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Brandon Tucker >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:42 PM PST US From: "Paul Moore" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel quantity indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" Well, you're right Craig - now I'm trying to figure out where I got the idea they were a 3 way gauge! Thanks for setting me straight. Do not archive Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel quantity indicators --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne The Aveo FF-3 is the same as MGL's FF-3. If you read the manual you will see that it only monitors two senders. The difference between the FF-2 and the FF-3 is size: the FF-2 is "SmartSingle" (2.25" dia.) while the FF-3 is a "MaxiSingle" (3.5" dia.) -- Craig Paul Moore wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" > > I've been looking at the Aveo Tech instruments, in particular their > FF3 fuel gauge that monitors 3 tanks (they also have a FF2 for dual > tanks). Very inexpensive for all their capability. > http://www.aveousa.com/ > > I have installed the aux tanks and am trying to figure out how to > monitor and manage 4 of them. Haven't figured it all out yet. I'm > thinking some combination of fuel flow metering for total fuel > remaining calculations, coupled with digital or analog tank level > indicator(s) for tank selection. I installed the std. VDO senders > which seem to be compatible with almost all the glass gauge packages. > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig > Payne > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel quantity indicators > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne > --> > > The Ray Allen indicators are simply fed a voltage between 0 and 12 VDC > (typically from their position sensors which are potentiometers). > > I'm in the same situation as you (601 XL with dual tanks and a > Stratomaster). What I did was buy MGL Instruments' Fuel Flow 3 which > accepts dual senders (http://www.mglavionics.co.za/maxi.html#FF-3). Or > if you can wait - MGL has a new RDAC which accepts input from two > senders (http://www.mglavionics.co.za/Docs/RDACX.pdf) They will soon > announce a new Stratomaster with a color display (the "Enigma") which > works with the RDAC-X. They also tell me that it is likely they will > offer software upgrades for the older Stratomasters which will fully > utilize the expanded capabilities of the RDAC-X. > > -- Craig > > Brandon Tucker wrote: > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker >> >>Gents, >> >> I am going with the Stratomaster Ultra engine >>monitor, which only has input for one fuel tank. >>Since my system is set up to pump wing tanks to the >>header tank, this will work fine; -but I would love >>to have some type of digital readout of wing tank >>quantities. I would like for it to look something >>like the Ray Allen trim indicators. First, does >>anyone know what type of input signal the trim >>indicators receive? Second, does anyone know of a >>simple indicator of some type that accepts 0 - 80 ohms >>input? Since my entire panel will be glass, I would >>like to avoid analog gages. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Brandon Tucker >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:41 PM PST US From: "R. Saarinen" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint --> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen" About 5 litres ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" > > > > Could anyone who has painted their XL or HDS give me an idea on how much > paint > to buy? I plan on using DuPont Chroma-one Single Stage and will have > paint on > 100 per cent of the airframe. > Al Young > N601AY > > > My 801 took a little over four gallons, thats including both colors. > a 601 will need about 2 or a little more I bet. > > > Ben N801BH > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:52 PM PST US From: "Doug Mattson" Subject: Zenith-List: elevator trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" I notice that me elevator trim tab is pointing all the way down. Is the easiest way to fix this redoing the horizontal stabilizer mounts and tilting the front of the stabilizer down? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:25 PM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Zenith-List: Cover strip info on an HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page Can anyone give me some tips about the cover strip on an HD? I'm in the finishing stages now, I hung the wings yesterday and started on the cover strip. What I'm not fully understanding is the bottom front retention support on page 6-V-15. The assembly is listed as "Detail A". I see that the part shows 2 A5 rivets with a 3/16" washer as a spacer for the bottom skin but I don't get how you are supposed to install this as the gap between the outboard and inboard wings is too narrow once you get the wing on. Am I supposed to bolt this assembly to 6V15-1 with the cover strip and carefully hang the wing then screw in the 2 screws at the trailing edge of the cover strip during wing installation?? Does anyone have a better method of securing the bottom front of the cover strip?? I don't have a single picture of the assembly in my photo collection! The plans on the same page also show some pressure tabs (3 of them) used to keep the cover strip in place against the top skins because of lift. Anyone have a neat tricks on how to do this? Thanks in advance Trevor Page 601HD. Cover strip is the LAST thing to do!!! Woohoo ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:20 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" Boy do I feel dumb. I actually did drill the pin. What a pain. Wow I wish I had asked this question earlier. Do not archive Matt www.zodiacxl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" > > A couple of ways to safety the pin. Bending 90 as the previous writer > said. You can then make a safety wire loop around something or to a flange > on bulkhead out pf the way. > Another was is Cessna's. Make the pin a little short drill the end knuckle > of the hinge for safety wire or a cotter key. You can always crush the end > knuckle to retain a shorter pin from escaping. > Rivet an L-shaped piece of aluminum that blocks the end of the pin. > You can bend it so the end will go in to a hole. The requires a little > longer pin. > But I have never seen anyone drill it. > > Cy Galley - Chair, > AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair > A Service Project of Chapter 75 > EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC > EAA Sport Pilot > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Maxson" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" >> >> I just left mine long and bent it over at a 90 degree angle. I've seen >> this >> done on several other planes. >> >> Phil Maxson >> 601XL/Corvair >> >>>From: Crvsecretary@aol.com >>>Subject: Zenith-List: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com >>> >>>Hello Fellow Listers: >>> >>>One quick, possibly dumb question - what's the secret to drilling the >>>stainless steel pin in the piano hinge for the elevator and elevator trim >>>tab? >>>This stuff is TOUGH !! >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:23 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Please don't feel that way, Matt - you had no idea how dumb I felt ASKING it! My deep thanks to all that replied...this list is truely is a community that helps one another. I'm in the home stretch of the tail final assembly and the wing kit is on order ! Thank you again, everyone. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601xl tail 95% do not archive PS - Any other builders in CT ?? In a message dated 3/13/2005 6:35:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, archermj@swbell.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" Boy do I feel dumb. I actually did drill the pin. What a pain. Wow I wish I had asked this question earlier. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:28 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: elevator trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Need a few details, Doug.....is it JUST the trim tab that is at full extension down ? Is this an XL elevator driven by a Ray Allen servo? Is the elevator trim tab in the center of it's travel? If not, hook up a 9 volt battery to the servo and cycle it to center. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601xl tail 95% do not archive In a message dated 3/13/2005 6:16:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, dougmattson@isp.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" I notice that me elevator trim tab is pointing all the way down. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:03 PM PST US From: John Maselli Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Maselli Remember you still owe me for the clothes at Burlington! John Maselli A Computer Consulting 516-524-0420 _____ I've stopped 1,014 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at www.cloudmark.com Cloudmark SpamNet - Join the fight against spam! -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net You don't drill the pin, you cut it about a quarter inch short on each end and drill a hole through the aluminum hinge material then put safety wire in the holes to trap the pin in between. Or, as some have suggested, leave the pin long on one end and bend it over and saftey it at that end. Either method will allow removal of tht pin later. If you cut it short, you will have to use a small pin punch to remove it but you would rarely have to remove it. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com > > Hello Fellow Listers: > > One quick, possibly dumb question - what's the secret to drilling the > stainless steel pin in the piano hinge for the elevator and elevator trim tab? > This stuff is TOUGH !! > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:21 PM PST US From: "Joe Kerr" Subject: Zenith-List: New 601XL Elevator Trim Design --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Kerr" I don't recall seeing any news about the new elevator trim tab design for the 601XL on the list, if there was, I missed it. I just received my tail kit and the trim tab is no longer recessed but is now installed aft of the elevator trailing edge and is full span, 955MM long. A few solid rivets are used on the trim tab, guess I'll need to learn to use (and find) a rivet squeezer after all. Looks like this will address the need for more trim effectiveness that has been discussed before on this list. Joe ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:33 PM PST US From: "Phil Maxson" Subject: Zenith-List: How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" I have installed 2 55 Watt halogen driving lights as my taxi/landing lights. They are Pilot Brand PL-1067C units, but I can't seem to find the amperage for them. I'm doing the wiring now, and can't find the information. Does anyone know? Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:22 PM PST US From: "Jerry Latimer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerry Latimer" 55 watts / 12 volts = 4.6 amps Jerry Latimer Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Maxson Subject: Zenith-List: How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" I have installed 2 55 Watt halogen driving lights as my taxi/landing lights. They are Pilot Brand PL-1067C units, but I can't seem to find the amperage for them. I'm doing the wiring now, and can't find the information. Does anyone know? Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:06 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" voltage X current = watts. 55w + 55w = 110 w 110w/12v = 9 amps for two bulbs one bulb would be half or 4.5 amps. If the bulbs are 55 watts for 12 volts they be a bit higher for 14 volts from an alternator. Chuck D. N701TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Maxson" Subject: Zenith-List: How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" > > I have installed 2 55 Watt halogen driving lights as my taxi/landing lights. > They are Pilot Brand PL-1067C units, but I can't seem to find the amperage > for them. I'm doing the wiring now, and can't find the information. Does > anyone know? > > Phil Maxson > 601XL/Corvair > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:40 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: How Many Amps will a 55 W Halogen Bulb Draw? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne Ignoring "inrush" current the formula for DC is watts = amps * volts or amps = watts / volts. So if those are 12 volt lamps they should draw about 4.6 amps. But filament lamps draw a lot more before the filament heats up (that's the inrush). So you may have to wire and fuse for the initial surge. -- Craig Phil Maxson wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" > > I have installed 2 55 Watt halogen driving lights as my taxi/landing lights. > They are Pilot Brand PL-1067C units, but I can't seem to find the amperage > for them. I'm doing the wiring now, and can't find the information. Does > anyone know? > > Phil Maxson > 601XL/Corvair > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:35 PM PST US From: "R. Saarinen" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: elevator trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: "R. Saarinen" Can someone tell me the required elevator trim size for the 601 as on the plans the size given seems too small. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mattson" Subject: Zenith-List: elevator trim > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" > > I notice that me elevator trim tab is pointing all the way down. Is the > easiest way to fix this redoing the horizontal stabilizer mounts and > tilting > the front of the stabilizer down? > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:37 PM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: elevator trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net I couldn't get my 601XL to trim out at all in cruise until I lowered the leading edge of the stabilizer about half an inch. Now I can trim it out down to about 60 mph at cruise power settings. I still can't trim it out at low power settings or anything beyond 5 degrees of flap. If you are using full up trim at cruise speed then you probably will have to lower the nose of the stabilizer. I'm thinking of adding a linkage to the flaps to assist the trim tab, possibly a cable to the flap actuater with a couple of pullys and a bungie cord to connect it to the elevator cable. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" > > I notice that me elevator trim tab is pointing all the way down. Is the > easiest way to fix this redoing the horizontal stabilizer mounts and tilting > the front of the stabilizer down? I couldn't get my 601XL to trim out at all in cruise until I lowered the leading edge of the stabilizer about half an inch. Now I can trim it out down to about 60 mph at cruise power settings. I still can't trim it out at low power settings or anything beyond 5 degrees of flap. If you are using full up trim at cruise speed then you probably willhave to lower the nose of the stabilizer. I'm thinking of adding a linkage to the flaps to assist the trim tab, possibly a cable to the flap actuater with a couple of pullys and a bungie cord to connect it to the elevator cable. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- -- Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" I notice that me elevator trim tab is pointing all the way down. Is the easiest way to fix this redoing the horizontal stabilizer mounts and tilting the front of the stabilizer down? ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:35 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: elevator trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne There is an electronic box that does this. See: http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm I did buy one (to allow me to set my flaps to 10, 20 or 40 degrees at the push of a button) but have yet to install it. No, it isn't my site. No, I have no financial interest in the product. No, I have never been a member of the Communist Party. -- Craig bryanmmartin@comcast.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net > > I couldn't get my 601XL to trim out at all in cruise until I lowered the leading edge of the stabilizer about half an inch. Now I can trim it out down to about 60 mph at cruise power settings. I still can't trim it out at low power settings or anything beyond 5 degrees of flap. > > If you are using full up trim at cruise speed then you probably will have to lower the nose of the stabilizer. I'm thinking of adding a linkage to the flaps to assist the trim tab, possibly a cable to the flap actuater with a couple of pullys and a bungie cord to connect it to the elevator cable. > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > do not archive > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" >> >>I notice that me elevator trim tab is pointing all the way down. Is the >>easiest way to fix this redoing the horizontal stabilizer mounts and tilting >>the front of the stabilizer down? > > > I couldn't get my 601XL to trim out at all in cruise until I lowered the leading edge of the stabilizer about half an inch. Now I can trim it out down to about 60 mph at cruise power settings. I still can't trim it out at low power settings or anything beyond 5 degrees of flap. > > If you are using full up trim at cruise speed then you probably willhave to lower the nose of the stabilizer. I'm thinking of adding a linkage to the flaps to assist the trim tab, possibly a cable to the flap actuater with a couple of pullys and a bungie cord to connect it to the elevator cable. > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > do not archive > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > -- Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Mattson" > > I notice that me elevator trim tab is pointing all the way down. Is the > easiest way to fix this redoing the horizontal stabilizer mounts and tilting > the front of the stabilizer down? > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:53 PM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: elevator trim --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net You don't understand, My trim tab is physically incapable of dealing with flap settings beyond about 5 degrees. The trim tab limits out and still won't trim the airplane. No electronic box will solve this problem. I need somthing that will literally pull harder on the elevator when the flaps are down. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne > > There is an electronic box that does this. See: > > http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm