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1. 05:28 AM - trim tab (Grant Corriveau)
2. 06:37 AM - drooping ailerons (Jeff Small)
3. 08:57 AM - Re: New question for the group (Leo Corbalis)
4. 09:36 AM - Landing Light Ch701 (NYTerminat@aol.com)
5. 10:27 AM - Re: trim tab (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
6. 10:36 AM - Re: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
7. 10:43 AM - Re: Paint (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
8. 10:49 AM - Older forward hinged canopy latching for 601HDS (Hansen, Ronald)
9. 11:12 AM - Re: Landing Light Ch701 (N5SL)
10. 11:12 AM - Re: Landing Light Ch701 (N5SL)
11. 11:33 AM - Re: Older forward hinged canopy latching for 601HDS (Trevor Page)
12. 11:39 AM - Re: Landing Light Ch701 (Winston Ellis)
13. 12:48 PM - 801 engine installation problem (Agstore)
14. 01:03 PM - Re: Older forward hinged canopy latching for 601HDS (Clive Richards)
15. 03:01 PM - Re:Older forward hinged canopy latching for 601HDS (Hansen, Ronald)
16. 05:22 PM - Re: Ch 801 specs with floats (Jim Frisby)
17. 06:18 PM - Re: Landing Light Ch701 (NYTerminat@aol.com)
18. 07:08 PM - Re: Landing Light Ch701 (Larry Martin)
19. 07:28 PM - Re: Landing Light Ch701 (Stephen Johnston)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 03/15/05
>
> I already have more than
> enough nose down trim and don't need to add any more
Maybe you can re-adjust the travel range (neutral point) of the trim tab to
take away the excess nose down movemnt in exchange for more nose up?
Grant
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| Subject: | drooping ailerons |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:36:40 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>>
>I'd adjust your ailerons down a half an inch each
>side to see if that makes the difference.
>It may take a little bit of experimentation, but
>the ailerons should be able to get your nose on the
>horizon if you take them both down a bit.
Agree with Larry here and with many other posts going back a loooong way that suggest
dropping the ailerons a little bit will basically make the a/c behave as
though the wing has greater positive incidence.
I cannot recommend that anyone drop them half an inch - that's a drastic droop
and may well make a decided change in stall speed and slow speed to stall characteristics.
Try a turn and a half out (no more) on each aileron rod and go up
and try in mild flying conditions. Then maybe a turn more...
One last thing: I get the digest form of the posting since I rarely respond to
many questions anymore. Would you fellows PLEASE leave off the original posting
when you respond? Just a few lines of the original post are needed, sometimes
the thread title is sufficient. When a new post is followed by numerous
old ones, it makes going through the digest an exercise in how fast you can scroll
and not miss anything new. Hitting delete in digest form is not an option
as it would delete the whole digest.
If just three or four of you regular posters would try to do this it would set
a great example for the newcomers, many of whom don't seem to have read the list
guidelines that come out the 2nd of each month. A week ago there was a post
on the digest that went six deep - six older posts, in their entirety, attached.
CAVU jeff
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| Subject: | Re: New question for the group |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Be careful changing the aileron push rod length. Do it 2 turns at a time. I
tried 4 turns UP and it really did glide like the space shuttle. If your
plane is already nose heavy, make that ONE turn at a time.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New question for the group
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
>
> I forgot about those full length ailerons. If they are set trailing edge
> up at neutral that will effectively reduce the angle of incidence of the
> wing and cause a high pitch attitude. It should be an easy fix though.
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> do not archive
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>>
>> Jeff,
>> Congratulatons on your plane.
>> I'd adjust your ailerons down a half an inch each side to see if that
>> makes the difference.
>>
>> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
>> ><jeffglass@starband.net>
>> >
>> >Took the plane up
>> >again and my instructor had me fly the plane at 65 mph with no gain or
>> >loss
>> >of altitude. To maintain 65 mph I had to fly the plane quite nose high.
>> >I
>> >should note that we were close to gross weight at about 1170 lbs and
>> >well
>> >within CG limits. We then descended to normal pattern altitude, flew
>> >the
>> >pattern, and at the recommended speed for final, 77-75 mph for final,
>> >the
>> >plane was so nose high I couldn't see the runway. We aborted the
>> >landing
>> >and on the next go round flew final at a steeper angle of attack, 80-85
>> >mph
>> >which let me see the runway.
>> >We came over the fence at 80 mph, flared flat, and as soon as the mains
>> >hit
>> >the ground, planted the nose wheel so the plane would not keep flying.
>> >This
>> >worked well all afternoon on a very crosswindy day. Now, my question
>> >is,
>> >does anyone think my tail incidence might be mis-adjusted to make the
>> >plane
>> >want to fly nose high all the time? I really couldn't tell what it
>> >would do
>> >in normal cruise mode because it was so bumpy and gusty, but my guess
>> >is...Nose high.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Hello All.
Has anyone come up with a good place for the Taxi/ Landing lights for the 701?
I've looked at hundreds of pictures but I do not see landing lights.
Bob Spudis
CH-701
Tail complete, Rt. wing 80%
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I have the recessed trim tab and right now, I have the maximum nose up travel set
to the point where the flange of the trim tab horn touches the channel in the
elevator cut-out so there's no more motion available. I suppose I could cut
away some of the channel to allow the flange to move past that point until the
metal of the tab meets the metal of the channel but that would only give me
another eighth inch of travel.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> Maybe you can re-adjust the travel range (neutral point) of the trim tab to
> take away the excess nose down movemnt in exchange for more nose up?
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling Piano Hinge for Safety Wire |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Cut the pin a little short on each end and drill the holes through the
aluminum parts.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Al, look back in the archives. I posted some message on what it took me to
paint my XL. Can't remember when, Last couple months, Good Luck, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Older forward hinged canopy latching for 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hansen, Ronald" <RH122050@ncr.com>
I'm working on my canopy (the older, non-XL type forward hinged with
round steel arms) and though I installed the ZAC side hooks initially, I
really didn't like them much and took them out. Does anyone have a nice
latching mechanism that doesn't require extremely difficult to make
parts? Or if they are difficult, full specs? I don't have a machine
shop or welder, but could outsource that if needed. I did an extensive
archive search and although I didn't find what I was looking for, I
think there's an answer out there and I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Ron Hansen
Los Angeles
601HDS, Stratus, BRS
Airframe 95%
Panel 95%
Engine ready to hang
Canopy - frustrating
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
I remember Larry Martin had a slick setup at one time - check his website at:
http://www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/
If I'm remembering incorrectly, I bet Larry can come up with something nice. He's
made a lot of very slick modifications to his 701. Larry are you listening?
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Bob:
I remember Larry Martin had a slick setup at one time - check his website at:
http://www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/
If I'm remembering incorrectly, I bet Larry can come up with something nice. He's
made a lot of very slick modifications to his 701. Larry are you listening?
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Older forward hinged canopy latching for 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Ron, Art Mitchell up here designed a very easy latching mechanism for
the older canopy.
Check www.ch601.org under the builder links section. There is a site
that shows the latch. I know Paul Sharpe who's on this list built this
type and it works well.
I've seen a couple of other types the XL type is better overall but
very frustrating to build.
If you CAN, I would try and do the XL method. I did and it worked out
very well. Difficult however.
Trevor Page
601HD. 912UL. 99.9% complete!!!
On Mar 16, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hansen, Ronald wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hansen, Ronald" <RH122050@ncr.com>
>
> I'm working on my canopy (the older, non-XL type forward hinged with
> round steel arms) and though I installed the ZAC side hooks initially,
> I
> really didn't like them much and took them out. Does anyone have a
> nice
> latching mechanism that doesn't require extremely difficult to make
> parts? Or if they are difficult, full specs? I don't have a machine
> shop or welder, but could outsource that if needed. I did an extensive
> archive search and although I didn't find what I was looking for, I
> think there's an answer out there and I'd appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Hansen
> Los Angeles
> 601HDS, Stratus, BRS
> Airframe 95%
> Panel 95%
> Engine ready to hang
> Canopy - frustrating
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Winston Ellis <w1mdi@cox-internet.com>
Bob
I put a halogen bulb in the middle of each slat with a wig-wag system as
well as full on.
Winston Ellis
CH701/Suzuki
Ketchum, Idaho
NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
>Hello All.
>Has anyone come up with a good place for the Taxi/ Landing lights for the 701?
>I've looked at hundreds of pictures but I do not see landing lights.
>
>Bob Spudis
>CH-701
>Tail complete, Rt. wing 80%
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 801 engine installation problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Agstore" <jay@agstore.net>
Today I decided to try to hang the engine on the plane. It is a used
O-360A1A Lycoming. I hoisted it out of the crate and brought it to the
front of the mount. I could see that it was not going to go on with the
mags attached, so I removed them. Then I could see that it was not
going to go with the propeller governor control attached. That is where
the problem is. The control is going to run right into the Z channel on
the firewall. There is no room for it.
This is my first "real" plane (been flying ultralight), so I am not real
familiar with the Lycoming or it's accessories and I don't really know
very much about the constant speed prop. I believe this engine is out
of a 1963 Comanche. Can I make this engine work in the 801 or do I need
to go engine shopping again? Can someone give me a brief explanation on
how the constant speed prop works? Thanks for any info. Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Older forward hinged canopy latching for 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" <stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
Hi Ron
Ray Lasnier has used a simple latch system simular to
drawings provided by Ed, he no longer post to list & his email address dose
not work.
Basicaly the system is two spring loaded catches which hook over
the guide plates at the parcel shelf with a wire between the catches which
is pulled to release them. I can post you a copy off list of Eds photos and
a copy of Rays drawings if you wish. I can scan drawings or post in Turbo
Cad if you can read this.
Clive Richards
(Ray Lasniers G CBDG hoping to complete in next few weeks)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hansen, Ronald" <RH122050@ncr.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Older forward hinged canopy latching for 601HDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hansen, Ronald" <RH122050@ncr.com>
>
> I'm working on my canopy (the older, non-XL type forward hinged with
> round steel arms) and though I installed the ZAC side hooks initially, I
> really didn't like them much and took them out. Does anyone have a nice
> latching mechanism that doesn't require extremely difficult to make
> parts? Or if they are difficult, full specs? I don't have a machine
> shop or welder, but could outsource that if needed. I did an extensive
> archive search and although I didn't find what I was looking for, I
> think there's an answer out there and I'd appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Hansen
> Los Angeles
> 601HDS, Stratus, BRS
> Airframe 95%
> Panel 95%
> Engine ready to hang
> Canopy - frustrating
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Older forward hinged canopy latching for 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hansen, Ronald" <RH122050@ncr.com>
Trevor,
Thanks for the leads. I'll dig into them. I almost bought the
additional items to convert to the XL style, but ZAC wanted $700US for
just the incremental parts at the time and I had just spent a lot on the
version in hand. I may be regretting that decision now, but here I am.
The rest of the canopy is nearly done, including the tedious work with
the forward fuse skin. If you got the XL latches to work with the round
canopy rails, I'll have to dig that thought out again. I just figured
there was no room.
Thanks again,
Ron
Subject: Re: Older forward hinged canopy latching for
601HDS=09
From: Trevor Page (webmaster@upac.ca
<mailto:webmaster@upac.ca?subjectRe:%20Older%20forward%20hinged%20canop
y%20latching%20for%20601HDS&replyto200503161932.j2GJWtI18918@matronics.
com> )=09
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca
<mailto:webmaster@upac.ca?subjectRe:%20Older%20forward%20hinged%20canop
y%20latching%20for%20601HDS&replyto200503161932.j2GJWtI18918@matronics.
com> >
Ron, Art Mitchell up here designed a very easy latching mechanism for
the older canopy.
Check www.ch601.org under the builder links section. There is a site
that shows the latch. I know Paul Sharpe who's on this list built this
type and it works well.
I've seen a couple of other types the XL type is better overall but
very frustrating to build.
If you CAN, I would try and do the XL method. I did and it worked out
very well. Difficult however.
Trevor Page
601HD. 912UL. 99.9% complete!!!
On Mar 16, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hansen, Ronald wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hansen, Ronald" <RH122050@ncr.com
<mailto:RH122050@ncr.com?subjectRe:%20Older%20forward%20hinged%20canopy
%20latching%20for%20601HDS&replyto200503161932.j2GJWtI18918@matronics.c
om> >
>
> I'm working on my canopy (the older, non-XL type forward hinged with
> round steel arms) and though I installed the ZAC side hooks initially,
> I
> really didn't like them much and took them out. Does anyone have a
> nice
> latching mechanism that doesn't require extremely difficult to make
> parts? Or if they are difficult, full specs? I don't have a machine
> shop or welder, but could outsource that if needed. I did an
extensive
> archive search and although I didn't find what I was looking for, I
> think there's an answer out there and I'd appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Hansen
> Los Angeles
> 601HDS, Stratus, BRS
> Airframe 95%
> Panel 95%
> Engine ready to hang
> Canopy - frustrating
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| Subject: | Re: Ch 801 specs with floats |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Karlsberg
<claypride@hotmail.com>
--> Hi everyone. I am a prospective 801 builder and am interested
in knowing if
--> anyone knew what some performance figures would be for an 801
with
--> amphibious floats (using the Lycoming O-360). I am most
interested in
--> cruising speed and useful load.
-->
--> Thanks,
--> David
David,
To my knowledge, no 801s have ever been flown on floats. If you find to the
contrary, I would be very interested.
Jim Frisby
N801ZA
60 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Winston
Thanks for the reply, I was thinking about the slats but thought there
wasn't enough room. Do you have any pictures of what you did? Also, is your plane
done and have you flown with it?
Thanks again
Bob Spudis
CH-701 Installing rt wing tank
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Yep, I'm reading. I have four landing lights, two in the nose of the cowl
and two in the main wheel pants. I don't have any decent pictures of the
cowl or the pants on my site, I will take some tomorrow and add them. I'll
put a little note here for those who are interested. Should have already
done it, just getting lazy.
Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Light Ch701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Bob:
>
> I remember Larry Martin had a slick setup at one time - check his website
at:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/
>
> If I'm remembering incorrectly, I bet Larry can come up with something
nice. He's made a lot of very slick modifications to his 701. Larry are
you listening?
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stephen Johnston" <johnston@rrt.net>
Bob
To see my landing and taxi light go to www.ch701.com click on builder
photos then click on Steve Johnston
Steve Johnston 701 90% done
----- Original Message -----
From: <NYTerminat@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Light Ch701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
> Hello All.
> Has anyone come up with a good place for the Taxi/ Landing lights for the
701?
> I've looked at hundreds of pictures but I do not see landing lights.
>
> Bob Spudis
> CH-701
> Tail complete, Rt. wing 80%
>
>
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