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1. 05:48 AM - 801 engine installation problem continued (Agstore)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: 801 engine installation problem continued (jnbolding1)
3. 06:44 AM - Re:ch64o painting (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: Lowering ailreons a bit (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
5. 08:29 AM - 801 engine hanging problem (Keystone Engineering LLC)
6. 10:01 AM - Re: 801 engine installation problem continued (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 05:45 PM - Re: drooping ailerons (Digest) (Gary Gower)
8. 05:50 PM - Re: Ch 801 specs with floats (Gary Gower)
9. 05:53 PM - Re: Landing Light Ch701 (Gary Gower)
10. 06:09 PM - Off list (for flying members, from AV Web. (Gary Gower)
11. 07:21 PM - New Pictures (Larry Martin)
12. 07:22 PM - Re: Landing Light Ch701 (Larry Martin)
13. 09:02 PM - Re: Landing Light Ch701 (NYTerminat@aol.com)
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| Subject: | 801 engine installation problem continued |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Agstore" <jay@agstore.net>
I did some searching on the internet last night and found a good site
that explained how a constant speed prop works. Here's the link:
http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/185020-1.html
Now that I understand how they work, I still have a question as to what
the thing on the back of my engine is. I have uploaded a picture at the
following link:
http://www.agstore.net/propgovenor.jpg
I assume it is what they call the prop governor and controls the oil
flow to the constant speed prop. The control lever is spring loaded and
returns to the stop when released. Is it manually controlled by the
pilot? After reading the article above, I assumed it was somehow
automated by engine rpm?
Now back to my mounting problem. Here is a picture of my mount:
http://www.agstore.net/enginemount.jpg
As you can see, there are less than 12" to the firewall from the mount.
In the picture of the prop governor above, you can also see that it
comes back a full 12". That is where my problem is. Is there a shorter
"prop governor" that I can swap in place? Or do I need this at all? I
bought a Hartzell constant speed prop with this motor but I could trade
it for a regular prop (if I can put a regular prop on a A1A??) Again, I
am a novice when it comes to Lycoming engines, so please steer me in the
right direction.
Thanks,
Jay Herron
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| Subject: | Re: 801 engine installation problem continued |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
Didn't look at the pics but one of the things typically done is to recess the
offending area with a proper size stainless bowl from Walmart. sometimes mags,
oil filters, governors, hyd pumps, vac pumps etc get in the way and need a bowl
to fit. Next door neighbor has one on his new Bearhawk for the oil filter.
John
>As you can see, there are less than 12" to the firewall from the mount.
>In the picture of the prop governor above, you can also see that it
>comes back a full 12". That is where my problem is. Is there a shorter
>"prop governor" that I can swap in place? Or do I need this at all? I
>bought a Hartzell constant speed prop with this motor but I could trade
>it for a regular prop (if I can put a regular prop on a A1A??) Again, I
>am a novice when it comes to Lycoming engines, so please steer me in the right
direction.
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| Subject: | re:ch64o painting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
As I said in my post, I have no experience painting so I don't know how
other polyurethanes are applied. With the AFS paints, The process is 3
coats. The first coat is a very light fog coat. With this coat there is only
partial coverage. It basically looks like scattered fine droplets of paint.
This is allowed to tack up for about 5 to 10 minutes, then a second very
light fog coat is applied in a direction 90 degress from the first. Again,
after this coat there is still incomplete coverage. This coat is again
allowed to tack up for about 5-10 minutes. Next, the final coat is a medium
coat which provides full coverage. I think the actual final paint thickness
is quite thin. The first 2 coats are allowed to tack up slightly for good
adhesion, but are still wet enough to flow out well with application of the
3rd coat as if all 3 coats were applied at once. So rather than having to
get just the right amount of paint sprayed in one application for a nice
finish, you build up to it slowly which to me seems easier to do. As I said
in my post, when you spray the final coat, it will look a little uneven just
after the paint is sprayed, but in a few seconds it will flow out to a nice
shine. Now, if you wait too long between coats, the paint will dry enough
that you will be building up thickness rather than having all 3 coats
flowing together. And yes, the stuff is not cheap!
Steve Adams
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| Subject: | Re: Lowering ailreons a bit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@comcast.net>
About a year and a half ago Jeff Small and I flew in loose formation to the
annual Open Hanger Day at Zenith. During the flight Jeff radio'd that my
aircraft appeared to be flying a bit nose high (tail down) and suggested
that I might try lowering the ailerons a little to see if it would help.
Through a process of small changes and test hops to observe the effect, I
wound up with a total change of moving both of them down 3/16". That might
not sound like much but boy did it do wonders for the aircraft. It brought
the nose down giving me far better forward visibility, it made take-offs in
my tri-gear easier to lift off smoothly, it lowered the stall speed a bit,
and it didn't slow down the top speed at all.
"Worked for me!"
Tailwinds............
Fred
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| Subject: | 801 engine hanging problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net>
Jay
I hung my O-360 A-4-J with no problem. The mags were tight but they fit. I had
to remove one mag to fit the engine to the engine mount but it went right back
on. I have a fixed pitch prop so the governor was not a problem. I did have
a wrestling match with the fuel lines between the engine driven fuel pump and
the electric fuel pump.
Jim Frisby had problems with his mags on his O-320. He ended up installing a electronic
mag on the one side.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
Still working on the bigger horizontal tail.
The beach was great yesterday. Found a glass ball!
150 hrs
Valdez, AK
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Agstore" <jay@agstore.net>
Today I decided to try to hang the engine on the plane. It is a used
O-360A1A Lycoming. I hoisted it out of the crate and brought it to the
front of the mount. I could see that it was not going to go on with the
mags attached, so I removed them. Then I could see that it was not
going to go with the propeller governor control attached. That is where
the problem is. The control is going to run right into the Z channel on
the firewall. There is no room for it.
This is my first "real" plane (been flying ultralight), so I am not real
familiar with the Lycoming or it's accessories and I don't really know
very much about the constant speed prop. I believe this engine is out
of a 1963 Comanche. Can I make this engine work in the 801 or do I need
to go engine shopping again? Can someone give me a brief explanation on
how the constant speed prop works? Thanks for any info. Jay
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| Subject: | 801 engine installation problem continued |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Just a thought but Van's aircraft sell a very light weight prop govenor
for your engine and the picture of it I saw looked prety darned small.
I would call Van's and ask them to give you the dimensions of the
Govenor http://www.vansaircraft.com/
It will drive the Hartznell prop.
Frank
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As you can see, there are less than 12" to the firewall from the mount.
In the picture of the prop governor above, you can also see that it
comes back a full 12". That is where my problem is. Is there a shorter
"prop governor" that I can swap in place? Or do I need this at all? I
bought a Hartzell constant speed prop with this motor but I could trade
it for a regular prop (if I can put a regular prop on a A1A??) Again, I
am a novice when it comes to Lycoming engines, so please steer me in the
right direction.
Thanks,
Jay Herron
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| Subject: | Re: drooping ailerons (Digest) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hi Jeff,
This is the reason I changed from "Digest" mode to "Normal" mode long time ago,
didnt work in my case, is easyer to delete the complete post I didnt want to
read, that to scroll down without missing something important in the complete
digest...
Is dificult to all of us, mainly newer members to remember every post, to delete
the unwanted part of the post before hitting the "send".
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do not archive.
Jeff Small <zodiacjeff@msn.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small"
One last thing: I get the digest form of the posting since I rarely respond to
many questions anymore. Would you fellows PLEASE leave off the original posting
when you respond? Just a few lines of the original post are needed, sometimes
the thread title is sufficient. When a new post is followed by numerous old
ones, it makes going through the digest an exercise in how fast you can scroll
and not miss anything new. Hitting delete in digest form is not an option as
it would delete the whole digest.
If just three or four of you regular posters would try to do this it would set
a great example for the newcomers, many of whom don't seem to have read the list
guidelines that come out the 2nd of each month. A week ago there was a post
on the digest that went six deep - six older posts, in their entirety, attached.
CAVU jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Ch 801 specs with floats |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
This answer I think is directly for Chip (CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS, S.R.O.) , Maybe
he will be the only one that has studied this instalation.
Could be, they handle floats for almost any gross... (in reason of course).
Saludos
Gary Gower
Jim Frisby <n801za@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Karlsberg
--> Hi everyone. I am a prospective 801 builder and am interested
in knowing if
--> anyone knew what some performance figures would be for an 801
with
--> amphibious floats (using the Lycoming O-360). I am most
interested in
--> cruising speed and useful load.
-->
--> Thanks,
--> David
David,
To my knowledge, no 801s have ever been flown on floats. If you find to the
contrary, I would be very interested.
Jim Frisby
N801ZA
60 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Larry,
I am curious to know the empty weight of your plane, once is finished... By the
way, it looks great.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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Larry Martin <lrm@isp.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin"
Yep, I'm reading. I have four landing lights, two in the nose of the cowl
and two in the main wheel pants. I don't have any decent pictures of the
cowl or the pants on my site, I will take some tomorrow and add them. I'll
put a little note here for those who are interested. Should have already
done it, just getting lazy.
Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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| Subject: | Off list (for flying members, from AV Web. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Got this from another list, could be of interest to pilots in USA.
Saludos
Gary Gower
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Guys-- for those on the list who are actively flying. I copied this from AvWeb
and it is good to think about before we go up. Since the election I have
not thought much about this--but it is still big item to include in our pre-flights.
Mike C.
President Bush is expected to make 60 appearances in coming months and you know
what that means. Remember to check and double-check your own flight plans to
make sure they don't conflict with the TFRs that will result from the president's
tour to sell his Social Security plans...
http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr/list.jsp
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I took my Bird for a spin today.
Around the yard.
For those who are interested in the landing lights, check out my new pictures, fresh off the press. www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/pics.html.
Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Don't know yet, but it's gonna be heavy. I may just have to pull it around
the yard.
Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing Light Ch701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Larry,
>
> I am curious to know the empty weight of your plane, once is finished...
By the way, it looks great.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
> Do not archive
>
> Larry Martin <lrm@isp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin"
>
> Yep, I'm reading. I have four landing lights, two in the nose of the cowl
> and two in the main wheel pants. I don't have any decent pictures of the
> cowl or the pants on my site, I will take some tomorrow and add them. I'll
> put a little note here for those who are interested. Should have already
> done it, just getting lazy.
> Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Ch701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Steve
Thank you for the info. It looks like just what the doctor ordered. Did you
fabricate the light housing or is that store bought? Do you think that the
regulator is really necessary? I loved the wing tip storage area!
Bob Spudis
CH701
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