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1. 03:32 AM - Re: New Pictures (Michel Therrien)
2. 04:28 AM - Off-Topic: Competition for the XL? (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
3. 05:59 AM - 701 rear fuselage skins ... (Bima, Martin)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: New Pictures (Larry McFarland)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: 701 rear fuselage skins ... (Mark Eagar)
6. 07:16 AM - Re: Lowering ailreons a bit (Grant Corriveau)
7. 07:32 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 03/16/05 (Jim Frisby)
8. 12:27 PM - Inspection when and how often (TinerJ)
9. 12:51 PM - Re: 701 rear fuselage skins ... (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
10. 02:04 PM - Inspections (Clyde Barcus)
11. 02:12 PM - Re: Inspection when and how often (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
12. 02:15 PM - Re: Inspection when and how often (Bill Steer)
13. 02:48 PM - Re: Inspection when and how often (Larry McFarland)
14. 06:39 PM - Re: Inspection when and how often (Larry Martin)
15. 09:23 PM - Re: New Pictures (NYTerminat@aol.com)
16. 09:27 PM - Re: Off-Topic: Competition for the XL? (NYTerminat@aol.com)
17. 09:41 PM - Re: Off-Topic: Competition for the XL? (Chris Boultinghouse)
18. 09:58 PM - Re: 701 rear fuselage skins ... (Gary Gower)
19. 11:44 PM - Re: Inspection when and how often (sportypilot@stx.rr.com)
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| Subject: | Re: New Pictures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Wow! That is really a beautiful 701!!
Michel
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--- Larry Martin <lrm@isp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin"
> <lrm@isp.com>
>
> I took my Bird for a spin today.
>
>
> Around the yard.
>
> For those who are interested in the landing lights,
> check out my new pictures, fresh off the press.
> www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/pics.html.
>
>
> Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Off-Topic: Competition for the XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Listers:
I could not resist thinking Vans has been feeling the competition and had to
enter the Light Sport market -- but not with a variation of their current
offerings. No, they say they want a new "Proof of Concept" clean sheet design.
The following quote came off the EAA e-Hotline newsletter this morning:
"A few specs noted include: Rotax 912S (80 or 100 hp); low-wing, two-place
side by side; initially an experimental amateur-built; tricycle gear"
Wow - do they really need a Proof-of-Concept for a Zodiac XL ????
Boy, am I gonna give the EAA chapter something to talk about when I show
them the new RV-LSA as a Zodiac !!! Well, maybe not...THEY will still have to
bang rivets !!!! We gently PULL them !!
I have to stop - I'm having too much fun !!
Absolutely DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 100% - waiting on the wings kit
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PS - I just love agitating the local guys at the EAA meetings - it's all in
good fun. There are so many of them and so few of us! RV owners: Please do
not take any of this good-natured fun seriously !!!
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| Subject: | 701 rear fuselage skins ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Hello,
I am about to cut the skins for the rear fuse - so here is the dumb
question ...
The plans show a straight line from point A to B, but the actual cut
line comes out to 10-20 mm outside of the straight-line.
1 - Is this right?
2 - Why?
3 - When the longerons are riveted on, do they come out bowed as well or
are they installed on that straight line?
Thanks,
Martin
STOL-Vair
www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima
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| Subject: | Re: New Pictures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Nice piece of work Larry! It looks like you've got
your flying environment at that sweet spot that everyone
dreams about. Fly safe.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Larry Martin wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
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>I took my Bird for a spin today.
>
>
>Around the yard.
>
>For those who are interested in the landing lights, check out my new pictures, fresh off the press. www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/pics.html.
>
>
>Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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| Subject: | Re: 701 rear fuselage skins ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Eagar" <mark.eagar@prodigy.net>
Martin, if you are referring to the drawing 7-f-2, you will see that the
skins do not have straight sides - typical deviation of 15 millimeters. the
dashed lines inside the solid lines for each skin are the equivalent
straight line distances (I guess for reference or something). the
longerons are somewhat flexible and bend the small amount shown to
accomodate the slightly curved sides. that's why you drill and cleco every
3rd hole initially, to get them to conform. hope this helps.
thanks
Mark Eagar
ch 701, tail, rear fuselage complete, cabin almost done.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 rear fuselage skins ...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am about to cut the skins for the rear fuse - so here is the dumb
> question ...
>
> The plans show a straight line from point A to B, but the actual cut
> line comes out to 10-20 mm outside of the straight-line.
>
> 1 - Is this right?
> 2 - Why?
> 3 - When the longerons are riveted on, do they come out bowed as well or
> are they installed on that straight line?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Martin
> STOL-Vair
> www.autobahn.mb.ca/~bima
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lowering ailreons a bit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> wound up with a total change of moving both of them down 3/16". That might
> not sound like much but boy did it do wonders for the aircraft.
This is exactly what I did too -- just a small amount at a time...
When I was originally rigging the ailerons, I realized that the plans give
no method of how to determine the exact alignment for the ailerons vs. the
airfoil. The inboard wing fairing is not a good indicator (it gets
installed to 'arbitrarily' match the ailerons anyways). It comes down to
'eyeballing' the curve of the upper wing surface, and trying to set the
ailerons to follow that.
Afterwards I decided to 'tweak' them a little (as Fred says, too) to get a
good flying attitude for whatever cruise speed my aircraft was getting.
One thing I was careful about -- When adjusting the length of the pushrods,
I made ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that there was always lots of threaded end still
inside the lock nuts at both ends. (they won't work worth a darn if they
become disconnected!!! ;-)
fwiw,
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 03/16/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
>________________________________ Message 13
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>Time: 12:48:07 PM PST US
>From: "Agstore" <jay@agstore.net>
>Subject: Zenith-List: 801 engine installation problem
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Agstore" <jay@agstore.net>
>
>Today I decided to try to hang the engine on the plane. It is a used
>O-360A1A Lycoming. I hoisted it out of the crate and brought it to the
>front of the mount. I could see that it was not going to go on with the
>mags attached, so I removed them. ....
Jay,
I don't know about the prop governor, but I to know that the conical (not
dynafocal) mount supplied by ZAC will not accomodate a Bendix mag on the
left side. Do you have bendix mags, or slicks, or do you have the dual mag?
On my 801 with O-320, I had to move the impulse mag to the right side and
put an electronic ignition on the left side, in order to get the engine to
fit the mounts.
Jim Frisby
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| Subject: | Inspection when and how often |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TinerJ" <tinerj@tinerj.com>
I've been working on the Zodiac (aka CH601xl) and did the rudder at the
workshop and the rest of the tail at home. Except for the rudder, no one has
inspected the work. I'm going for the wing kit at the end of this month.
What is the bare legal minimum for inspection of work in progress? What is
the recommended number of inspections, and by whom?
You know, I've read the packet of info from the FAA, and until my eyes learn
to pick out the important stuff, I am pretty much overwhelmed with the
inspection process.
Thanks for comments. (I live about 25 miles southwest of St. Louis,
Missouri.)
John Hudson Tiner
tinerj@tinerj.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 rear fuselage skins ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 3/18/2005 8:00:07 AM Central Standard Time,
mbima@hydro.mb.ca writes:
3 - When the longerons are riveted on, do they come out bowed as well or
are they installed on that straight line?
Yes, they come out bowed, in both directions.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc@comcast.net>
John:
You no longer have to have in-process inspections. What is necessary is a log of
what you are working on, dates, time, etc. and photographs of everything as
you go, make sure you are included in some of the pictures to assure the inspector
(Final Inspection) that you really did the work. It is strongly recommended
that you have an experienced builder look over your work from time to time.
If you don't belong to the EAA already it is a really good resource, they have
volunteer Technical Advisors who will gladly check out your work and make suggestions.
Good Luck
Clyde Barcus
601XL Builder
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection when and how often |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello John:
I hope an EAA official is reading this to verify, but as I understand the
process, YOU are the builder and manufacturer. YOU sign off as the authority
that says the airplane is airworthy.
That being said, EAA Tech Inspectors are happy to pay you a visit and review
your techniques and craftsmanship, and in doing so, may make it easier for
you to get insurance when you are ready for First Flight. Having a list of
inspection reports may make your airplane a delight in the eyes of the DAR when
it is time for your Airworthiness Inspection.
I just finished the tail also and I asked my local Tech Inspector to take a
look before I put in the rivets. Even though his experience is in RV's, he
was pleased at what he saw, only had one minor comment to make, and with his
opinion well in hand I riveted up the assembly and now it sits waiting for the
rest of the airplane to be built.
Just so you know, wing kits are currently on a 12 week delivery backlog from
Mexico (MO, that is).
Congratulations on your first milestone !!
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 100% waiting for wings
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What is the bare legal minimum for inspection of work in progress? What is
the recommended number of inspections, and by whom?
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection when and how often |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
The EAA recommends three as "the absolute minimum number of visits for a
Technical Counselor." The details are (I've left out the parts that don't
apply):
First Visit:
e) Metal -- before closing up structure
Second visit:
c) Metal -- when landing gear and engine is on.
Third visit: (None apply)
Fourth visit:
a) Preflight all -- all assembled -- complete and ready for FAA inspector.
b) Suggest that this be done within 60 days before the inspector comes, but
not longer.
My experience is that my Tech Counselor is looking for workmanship and safe
practices. His visits have been very worthwhile, just looking over the
structures and discussing various parts. A close working relationship with
a Tech Counselor is invaluable, in my opinion.
The FAA only wants to look at it once, when everything is assembled and
ready for flight.
Bill
> What is the bare legal minimum for inspection of work in progress? What is
> the recommended number of inspections, and by whom?
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection when and how often |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
John,
Have a local EAA Chapter Technical Advisor look your work over just
before you close the wings
or other item. Invite them perhaps two or three times during your
construction. Take a few pictures of the
insides before you close. These will help along with your journal or
constructon log to prove that you are the builder.
These will also offer provice assurance that you've been the person
responsible for the effort right up to the Airworthiness inspection.
Never hurts to have a second set of eyes looking over your first stages
of construction and after assembly.
Regards,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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TinerJ wrote:
>What is the bare legal minimum for inspection of work in progress? What is
>the recommended number of inspections, and by whom?
>
>I am pretty much overwhelmed with the
>inspection process.
>
>Thanks for comments. (I live about 25 miles southwest of St. Louis,
>Missouri.)
>
>John Hudson Tiner
>tinerj@tinerj.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection when and how often |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Go to the EAA site and check the list of Technical Counselors and call one
in your area. I are one, just not in your area. I recommend three
inspections. They are really not required, but I sure recommend them,
another set of eyes sure can't hurt anything.
The first one should be when you get the tail done, that way
the Counselor might see something and give you some advise on it. The
second about when you finish the fuselage or wings, which ever you do first.
Zenith recommends wings first, I don't see the logic in it, I did my
fuselage first and the wings fit just fine. And the third when you are
finished just before the FAA inspection. You get a copy of each inspection
you can add to your paper work, it will make the FAA happy.
Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "TinerJ" <tinerj@tinerj.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Inspection when and how often
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TinerJ" <tinerj@tinerj.com>
>
> I've been working on the Zodiac (aka CH601xl) and did the rudder at the
> workshop and the rest of the tail at home. Except for the rudder, no one
has
> inspected the work. I'm going for the wing kit at the end of this month.
>
> What is the bare legal minimum for inspection of work in progress? What is
> the recommended number of inspections, and by whom?
>
> You know, I've read the packet of info from the FAA, and until my eyes
learn
> to pick out the important stuff, I am pretty much overwhelmed with the
> inspection process.
>
> Thanks for comments. (I live about 25 miles southwest of St. Louis,
> Missouri.)
>
> John Hudson Tiner
> tinerj@tinerj.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Pictures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Larry
It looks GREAT! It seems that I am taking the same path as you, wanted to
build an 801 but decided on a 701, cleared land for a 1300' strip and while
building my 701 am looking into hanger options. How long is your strip? Thanks
for
the construcion photos and your tips, they are a great help. It seems like the
Zenith instructions get more vague as I go along.
Bob Spudis
CH701 Tail complete, Rt wing 85%
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| Subject: | Re: Off-Topic: Competition for the XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Listers
I heard tonight that the new clean sheet design is a motorglider by Vans.
Bob Spudis
CH701
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| Subject: | Off-Topic: Competition for the XL? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
Actually, Vans has been working on the RV-11 motorglider for quite some
time, as a personal project. See:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-11int.htm
As you can see, it is a single-place, Jabiru-2200 powered design.
This is NOT the LSA design hinted at by the EAA article. It will be likely
be something entirely different, and would logically be direct competition
for the Zodiac XL, Sonex, and others. If Van's history is any indication of
the performance and success of their new LSA design, the competition should
be sweating profusely right about now...
Regards,
Chris Boultinghouse
Austin, TX
Sonex N260SX (reserved)
http://sonex260.wheelsup.org
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> NYTerminat@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:27 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Off-Topic: Competition for the XL?
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
> Listers
>
> I heard tonight that the new clean sheet design is a motorglider by Vans.
>
> Bob Spudis
> CH701
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 701 rear fuselage skins ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
This is an important part of the strenth of the Fuselage construction.
Is amazing to see and feel how all this very thin (for our brain) aluminum skins
can end up as such a strong "box".
Saludos
Gary Gower.
"Still hard to believe how great design the 701 is..."
Do not archive.
JERICKSON03E@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 3/18/2005 8:00:07 AM Central Standard Time,
mbima@hydro.mb.ca writes:
3 - When the longerons are riveted on, do they come out bowed as well or
are they installed on that straight line?
Yes, they come out bowed, in both directions.
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection when and how often |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: sportypilot@stx.rr.com
when you say get a copy of each , is there a form or something that gets filled
out?
does eaa provide the form or do you have any of them, I want to make sure I have
it when the technical counselor gets to my project.. around here it takes
three or 4 weeks to get them over here.. very few around and the two that we
do have , are not very interisted in coming..
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Martin <lrm@isp.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection when and how often
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> Go to the EAA site and check the list of Technical Counselors and
> call one
> in your area. I are one, just not in your area. I recommend three
> inspections. They are really not required, but I sure recommend them,
> another set of eyes sure can't hurt anything.
> The first one should be when you get the tail done, that way
> the Counselor might see something and give you some advise on it. The
> second about when you finish the fuselage or wings, which ever you
> do first.
> Zenith recommends wings first, I don't see the logic in it, I did my
> fuselage first and the wings fit just fine. And the third when
> you are
> finished just before the FAA inspection. You get a copy of each
> inspectionyou can add to your paper work, it will make the FAA happy.
> Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TinerJ" <tinerj@tinerj.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Inspection when and how often
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "TinerJ" <tinerj@tinerj.com>
> >
> > I've been working on the Zodiac (aka CH601xl) and did the rudder
> at the
> > workshop and the rest of the tail at home. Except for the
> rudder, no one
> has
> > inspected the work. I'm going for the wing kit at the end of
> this month.
> >
> > What is the bare legal minimum for inspection of work in
> progress? What is
> > the recommended number of inspections, and by whom?
> >
> > You know, I've read the packet of info from the FAA, and until
> my eyes
> learn
> > to pick out the important stuff, I am pretty much overwhelmed
> with the
> > inspection process.
> >
> > Thanks for comments. (I live about 25 miles southwest of St. Louis,
> > Missouri.)
> >
> > John Hudson Tiner
> > tinerj@tinerj.com
> >
> >
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