Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:40 AM - Bending Rudder Skin ... (Bima, Martin)
2. 05:52 AM - HDS speeds (Grant Corriveau)
3. 06:16 AM - rivnuts (Gordon)
4. 06:17 AM - Help - Reddish Stall Warner (Bill Bartlett)
5. 06:32 AM - 601 HD Speeds (john H)
6. 06:37 AM - Re: rivnuts (Phil Maxson)
7. 07:02 AM - Re: Gascolators and filters (Aaron)
8. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Questions on 601xl (Aaron)
9. 07:42 AM - food for thought (donald mcarthur)
10. 07:49 AM - Re: Questions on 601 XL (nhulin)
11. 08:06 AM - Re: Taildragger rudder cable tension (Larry McFarland)
12. 08:18 AM - Re: rivnuts (Larry McFarland)
13. 08:24 AM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
14. 08:49 AM - Re: Taildragger rudder cable tension (David Barth)
15. 09:03 AM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (Mark Townsend)
16. 09:13 AM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (N5SL)
17. 09:17 AM - Rivnuts (Gordon)
18. 09:18 AM - RivNuts (Zed Smith)
19. 09:28 AM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (Mark Townsend)
20. 10:32 AM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (Lance Gingell)
21. 10:36 AM - Re: Taildragger rudder cable tension (Leo Corbalis)
22. 10:46 AM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (Leo Corbalis)
23. 11:00 AM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (N5SL)
24. 11:05 AM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
25. 11:41 AM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (Lance Gingell)
26. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Questions on 601 XL (kevinbonds)
27. 12:28 PM - Re: ENGINE MOUNT BOLTS (N5SL)
28. 12:28 PM - Re: Help - Reddish Stall Warner (Craig Payne)
29. 12:42 PM - Re: HDS speeds (Michel Therrien)
30. 01:00 PM - Stainless Steel Rivets (Phil Maxson)
31. 01:53 PM - 3 sheets for the rear fuse skins - 701 (Bima, Martin)
32. 02:19 PM - Re: rivnuts ()
33. 02:31 PM - Re: Help - Reddish Stall Warner (Bill Bartlett)
34. 02:35 PM - Re: Help - Reddish Stall Warner (Craig Payne)
35. 02:54 PM - Re: Help - Reddish Stall Warner (Bill Bartlett)
36. 03:24 PM - Purolator Fuel Filter Warning (Larry McFarland)
37. 03:37 PM - Re: Purolator Fuel Filter Warning (Cdngoose)
38. 03:55 PM - Re: rivnuts & rivet material question (Gary Gower)
39. 03:59 PM - Re: Rivnuts (Trim Servo Life?) (Gary Gower)
40. 04:32 PM - Re: Purolator Fuel Filter Warning (Craig Payne)
41. 04:57 PM - Re: Purolator Fuel Filter Warning (Bill Steer)
42. 05:07 PM - 701 first flight (John Birgiolas)
43. 06:32 PM - Re: 701 first flight (Gary Gower)
44. 07:30 PM - Re: 3 sheets for the rear fuse skins - 701 (jnbolding1)
45. 07:58 PM - Lift Reserve Indicator (N5SL)
46. 08:10 PM - Update Sun-N-Fun BBQ (Cdngoose)
47. 08:29 PM - Zodiac 601 HDS (gpjann@juno.com)
48. 08:29 PM - Zodiac 601 HDS (gpjann@juno.com)
49. 09:50 PM - Re: Lift Reserve Indicator (Jim and Lucy)
50. 11:45 PM - Re: 701 first flight (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | Bending Rudder Skin ... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Hello Dave and List,
I used the plywood method as per the manual. Bent it in small
increments very slowly and kept checking for straightness. Worked fine
first time. I have the rudder all together now and I hope the rest of
the machine comes out that straight.
Martin
STOL-Vair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
What I use (in MPH) -- GW 1300lbs; CAM100 (100hp) engine with WARP drive 3
blades set at 16.5 degress pitch (at the tip)
IMPORTANT: my ASI has checked out to be accurate within a couple of mph..
> 1. Rotation - Normal climb
Rotate at 60, flyoff at 70, climb intially at 80, then 100 for vis/engine
cooling
> 2. Rotation - Short field
Full backstick will get the nose off at about 50-55, liftoff in ground
effect about 60-65. LEVEL OFF in ground effect until 70+ (continue as
above)...
> 3. Best rate of climb speed
80mph
> 4. Best angle of climb speed
70mph
> 5. Best glide speed
glide! You're thinking of another airplane -- ha!
Use 80-85 for best distance; 70-75 for minumum descent rate
expect to come down steeply regardless!
> 6 Emergency power off approach speed, flare speed.
80 on descent; 70 crossing the fence; touchdown as slowly as possible
(60ish) - plan for a 'close pattern' because the glide will not be long...
Corrections from 'too high - too close' are easily made with side-slipping.
Then it resembles an aluminum parachute. Just be sure to keep on enough
speed while slipping to recover to a safe flying speed when straightening
out lower down. The momentum vs. drag of this airplane (I think glider
pilots call it 'penetration') is low - i.e. it slows down rapidly once the
power comes off, or once you level off.
> 7. Normal landing approach speed, flare speed
80 on approach, 70 crossing the fence, use power-assisted approach and ease
the power off in the flare to touchdown about 60. Expect to raise the nose
high compared to many other aircraft you may have flown - the horizon will
be covered at touchdown - this fat little wing requires very nose-high
attitudes when flying close to the stall speed - especially in ground
effect.
Caution: your numbers may vary! ;-) FWIW
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
Zenith shows the cover plate for the electric elevator trim tab servo riveted to
the skin with A4 rivets. It seems like making the plate removable would be a
better idea. What have others done here, or for inspection plates in general?
I looked at rivnuts, but the standard flathead version would not allow the cover
plate to lay flush with the skin.
Thanks for the help,
Gordon
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| Subject: | Help - Reddish Stall Warner |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
Just a little help please.
I ordered a Reddish Stall Warner a while back from Aircraft-Spruce. This
unit was invented by Nigel Reddish (from the UK) for the RV series of
aircraft. It came with the vane and switch and said to connect it to the
"aircraft's wiring harness". It didn't include audible and visual
interconnect information or recommended parts.
Can anyone suggest a suitable audible (horn) and visual (red light)
interconnect material? And, where the material can be obtained (P/N,
supplier).
Do not archive.
Thanks,
Bill Bartlett, San Antonio, Texas
Ch601XL, N140BB, all electric
Aux. Fuel Tanks, Wing Lockers, Wheel Fairings, Dual Sticks & Blue
Mountain Lite - 80% Complete
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
It is nice to see some numbers and flying characteristics for the HDS. How
about some for the HD model?
John 601HD waiting and waiting for inspection
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
I thought of using Rivnuts for the cover plate, but since there are only 4
A4 rivets, I thought drilling them out and replacing them every year (or
whenever) is a small price to pay. Therefore, I didn't deviate from the
plans.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
>From: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
>Subject: Zenith-List: rivnuts
>Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:15:35 -0500
>
>Zenith shows the cover plate for the electric elevator trim tab servo
>riveted to the skin with A4 rivets. It seems like making the plate
>removable would be a better idea. What have others done here, or for
>inspection plates in general? I looked at rivnuts, but the standard
>flathead version would not allow the cover plate to lay flush with the
>skin.
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolators and filters |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
The ultralite parts suppliers handle them, but may only be available in
1/4".
Aaron
----- Original Message ----- > Please let us know if you find a source for
the gascolator see-throughs.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Questions on 601xl |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
<<<In my opinion,
the only up side to a 601 taildragger is the cool
factor.>>>
The greatest benifit to a tail dragger (conventional gear) is the lack of
bounce on rough fields, because of the greater distance.
Aaron
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| Subject: | food for thought |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "donald mcarthur" <eagledon@comcast.net>
i'm only a lurker...i have a dream...a 601 XL is what will scratch that itch...someday,
i hope...interpretation i dont even have a start on an airplane yet...im
not even a pilot yet...and to some of you, that may mean i dont have anything
worthwhile to say...but i hope i do...
im retired from two jobs...i was a search and rescue boat operator in the USCG...a
graduate of the National Search and Rescue School, USCG, Governors Island,
N.Y....and i owned//operated my own deepwater Gulfstream charterboat out of Hatteras,
N.C. for 21 years...and, even though i saw incredibly beautiful and fun
things, i also saw things that were disturbing and, sometimes, un-necessarily
tragic...
and, believe it or not, there are parallels between boats and airplanes that cannot
be ignored...my friend, (and mentor) marc, and i have daily talks about boats
and airplanes...i ask questions and try to compare "this to that" as i am
trying to learn, and he tells me "it aint the same" and he tells me why...and
i take everything he says at face value...he knows airplanes...but some things
are the same...you break down in your airplane, gravity aint yer friend...ya
kaint walk home so ya better do all you can to keep it working before you put
yourself in a position of "gravity rules"...well, im here to tell ya, you dont
want to break down in a boat in the middle of the ocean either...ya kaint walk
home from there either...and when your boat sinks out from under you, and you
find yourself swimming in a current that is headed toward England at 4 knots,
and realize that whoever is looking for you can only see your head and flailing
arms in a gigantic ocean that is churning white from a wind that is blowing
a living-gale...well, you get the picture...it aint so different...you've got
a problem...
so, by now some of you are probably saying to yourselves...what in the hell is
he talking about...im talking about things like gascolators...and the recent ongoing
discussion in here about "icing"...im talking about problem solving...im
talking about taking chances and saving a couple of dollars as opposed to doing
important things the right way...im talking about how some of us do, or do
not, think...
it would seem to me that one of the most satisfactory things about homebuilt aircraft
is the satisfaction of doing it yourself...to me, that is part of the dream
i have...to build it myself...but, reading here day after day, i see something
that occasionally bothers me...ill call it a misguided focus...and the gascolator
thing is what finally makes we want to say all of this...i dont think
the focus on certain things should be how to save 5 bucks...or how to do it
the easy way...i cant think of anything on an airplane that could possibly be
more important to safe and continuing operation than the fuel system...or the
ignition system...and, to me, there would be no question as to what to do...what
equipment to use...to me, the only thing that makes sense, FOR SOME THINGS,
is what has been tried and true through the ages...i think the ONLY consideration
should be what has PROVEN itself to be SAFE and RELIABLE...it is inconceivable
to me that anybody would ever even consider using some of the things i've
seen recommended...
when things go bad, they dont usually happen on a pretty day...they usually happen
at the worst time and under the worse conditions...and ya dont usually have
an abundance of time to have to deal with them before they get out of hand...
whether or not ya like alternative automobile conversion engines, ya gotta admire
William Wynne...maybe not for his particular engine, but for his philosophy
and reason...safety and reliability are the only criteria, to him, for anything
he recommends or offers...his idea is...do it your own way if ya want, but
follow certain guidelines...and the guidelines that he follows are important and
true...and even the plans build people are gonna have lots of thousands of
dollars wrapped up in their airplane...so whats another hundred or two to do EVERYTHIG
right...do yourself a favor...think things through...
so, finally, ill say this...this post is about attitude...important in airplanes
AND boats...gotta love em all...
donald
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| Subject: | Re: Questions on 601 XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
On Wed Mar 23 at 7:16 PM, Dave VanLanen (davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
<snip>
So I decided to do a "brain dump" of
any remaining questions I could think of, and post them on this site for
some help from all of you fine folks. If I don't get any "show stopper"
answers, I plan to take the plunge and move ahead with taking the
builder's class and ordering the kit.
<snip>
Dave,
I don't know if you are a parent but those on the list who are will relate
to this; in the same way that a baby isn't an adult on day one, a plane
isn't built in a day. Simply put, this means that a lot of the decisions
that you are agonizing over at the moment don't have to be resolved before
you start to build. You don't have to decide which college your child will
go to the day it is born. You don't have to decide the colour of the
interior before the rudder kit is finished.
We all agonized over these things. Don't worry, you'll have plenty of time
to try and outsmart yourself along the way and many decisions will just fall
out naturally as you work through the project. Many of your initial choices
will change along the way as well.
None of this is to say that the decisions you are trying to make are not
important but more to encourage you to see a bigger picture and allow
yourself time to get your head around the issues. It is important to choose
a plane that fits your building skills, workshop, personal taste, and
ultimate mission. You've done your homework and are to be commended on your
detailed approach. Much more sensible than plonking down a wad of cash on
the prettiest new fly by night wonder plane prototype at OSH.
All builders will tell you the most important thing is to start. I spoke to
a Sun-n-Fun race winner who told me "If I'd known how much fun to fly it
would be I would have finished the plane in five years instead of fifteen."
Zenith gives you a very easy start. Simply buy the rudder kit, and/or attend
the rudder workshop and get started. If you really don't like your
experience, hang the rudder on the study wall and set up some lighting for a
dramatic aviation feature. Cheap, and not everyone has genuine hand made
aircraft parts in their house (members of this list excluded).
Get started. Don't let the days slip away. It takes longer than you think to
build a plane so the sooner you start, the sooner you'll fly. Welcome
aboard.
..neil
Cincinnati, Ohio
601XL/Corvair
Fuselage/Electrical/Engine, and stuff
Don't forget to take your portable radio with you to Sun-n-Fun. Tune in to
Sun-n-Fun Radio 1510AM 24 hours a day for information, interviews, airshow
coverage, and the nightly program from the Museum Pavilion.
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger rudder cable tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Door springs might be used where steering rods would otherwise be
attached for a tri-gear.
Larry
Do not archive
Brandon Tucker wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
>Gents,
>
> I have the distinct feeling that this is a stupid
>question, but I can't find it in the plans or
>archives. How in the hell do you keep the rudder
>pedals upright and the cables tensioned on a
>taildragger?
>
> Also, I used Jeff's photo guide for seat
>construction this week, and it was a breeze. I made
>mine slightly different, but really enjoyed building
>them.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon
>
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Gordon,
I used the long A4s, but put a rivet-washer at the expanding end of the
rivet before pulling. This way, the
rivet compresses, but does not expand in the plastic and crack it. If
you ever have to replace the servo, the drill will remove the head and
you can easily re-rivet the new one in its place. The rivnuts will
create more work for you than the rivets.
Images are probably similiar to your situation. Go with the rivets and
rivet washers.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/trimtabs/elev/full/trim_tab_assy_preclose.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/trimtabs/elev/full/trim_tab_assembly_top.gif
Larry McFarland - 601HDS @ www.macsmachine.com
Gordon wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
>
>Zenith shows the cover plate for the electric elevator trim tab servo riveted
to the skin with A4 rivets. It seems like making the plate removable would be
a better idea. What have others done here, or for inspection plates in general?
I looked at rivnuts, but the standard flathead version would not allow the cover
plate to lay flush with the skin.
>Thanks for the help,
>Gordon
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rivnuts & rivet material question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Phil:
My drawing for the servo cover plate 6-T-6-5 shows 8 A4 rivets, so that's
what I did.
Rivnuts seems to be a good solution if the skin could be dimpled to have
them lay flush, but then we have an issue with an appropriate screw to use.
Can an experienced builder chime in here please?
Also, an unrelated question for all you experienced builders:
I understand the Avex rivets supplied by Zenith are aluminum rivets, is this
correct? Has anyone found a source for the same rivet in stainless steel?
At our last EAA meeting we saw a video demonstration on the hazards of an
engine fire and I am concerned about the aluminum rivets that hold the firewall
in place give way and melt. I understand some manufacturers call for a
stainless rivet every third rivet just for this reason.
Any thoughts??
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 100%
do not archive
In a message dated 3/24/2005 9:38:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pmaxpmax@hotmail.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
I thought of using Rivnuts for the cover plate, but since there are only 4
A4 rivets, I thought drilling them out and replacing them every year (or
whenever) is a small price to pay. Therefore, I didn't deviate from the
plans.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger rudder cable tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
I am building tricycle gear but thought you might also continue a cable forward
and use a couple of pulleys to bring it back to the other rudder pedal. Continuous
cable - like the rear end of the cables. I think this is the only way cable
tension bould be fixed and maintained. Just a thought
david
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>Gents,
>
> I have the distinct feeling that this is a stupid
>question, but I can't find it in the plans or
>archives. How in the hell do you keep the rudder
>pedals upright and the cables tensioned on a
>taildragger?
>
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: rivnuts & rivet material question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Simple answer to this one, motor mounts hold the firewall to the longerons .
I'd be more worried about the bungee holding the nose wheel in place.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
> I understand the Avex rivets supplied by Zenith are aluminum rivets, is
this
> correct? Has anyone found a source for the same rivet in stainless
steel?
> At our last EAA meeting we saw a video demonstration on the hazards of an
> engine fire and I am concerned about the aluminum rivets that hold the
firewall
> in place give way and melt. I understand some manufacturers call for a
> stainless rivet every third rivet just for this reason.
>
> Any thoughts??
>
>
> Tracy Smith
> Naugatuck, CT
> 601xl tail 100%
> do not archive
>
>
> In a message dated 3/24/2005 9:38:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> pmaxpmax@hotmail.com writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
>
> I thought of using Rivnuts for the cover plate, but since there are only
4
> A4 rivets, I thought drilling them out and replacing them every year (or
> whenever) is a small price to pay. Therefore, I didn't deviate from the
> plans.
>
> Phil Maxson
> 601XL/Corvair
> Northwest New Jersey
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rivnuts & rivet material question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Don't worry Mark. As you know the nosewheel is retained on the top and also by
the steering parts. It won't fall off.
!DO NOT ARCHIVE!
Mark Townsend <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Simple answer to this one, motor mounts hold the firewall to the longerons .
I'd be more worried about the bungee holding the nose wheel in place.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
Larry,
"I used the long A4s, but put a rivet-washer at the expanding end of the
rivet before pulling."
That's an excellent point, I was concerned about cracking the plastic, I'll follow
your advise. I had intended to rivet the servo, my question referred to the
cover plate which on the 701 calls for 8 rivets. I would think that it would
be nice to have easy access to the servo.
Gordon
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
My experience with rivnuts has been that they don't grip well into the thin material,
and that the grip tension "relaxes" somewhat over time in the thin aluminum.
This results in the back side slipping when you attempt to remove a screw.
Unless you can get at the back side to hold it, then screw/bolt removal becomes
a problem.
Suggest using the rivets as indicated on the plans, or install $50 in Camlocks
(several hours work).
Lets not even talk about an in-flight fire. Those things are hazardous.
Zed/701/R912/90+% and making progress
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Scott
Why do I hear a Reggae song in my head Don't Worry ~~~ Be Happy !!!!
Mark
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Sun-N-Fun must be getting close, I'm getting silly oh well don't worry , be
happy ! Bet you have that song in your head for the rest of the day
now....:-)~
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: rivnuts & rivet material question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Don't worry Mark. As you know the nosewheel is retained on the top and
also by the steering parts. It won't fall off.
>
>
> !DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
> Mark Townsend <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Simple answer to this one, motor mounts hold the firewall to the longerons
.
> I'd be more worried about the bungee holding the nose wheel in place.
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | rivnuts & rivet material question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
..Talking of motor mounts. I haven't drilled my lower engine mounts
(601XL) yet.
The plans (vaguely) show that the forward bolt goes through the mount,
shim and longeron....but does it go through the bottom flange of the
firewall also? Seems like theres not much room for correct (or barely
any) edge distance for this forward bolt because of the welds in the
mount?
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Townsend
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: rivnuts & rivet material question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Simple answer to this one, motor mounts hold the firewall to the
longerons .
I'd be more worried about the bungee holding the nose wheel in place.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger rudder cable tension |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I drilled a hole at the inner end of one pedal on each side, pilot's side,
right pedal and left pedal on the cp side and another hole in the lower
diagonal "L" on the back of the firewall for each pedal. Hook a spring to
each pedal and "L". The springs should be angled about 30-40 degrees toward
the outside of the fuselage. Use the lightest springs that will keep the
cables off the floor. I use mine to adjust the cruise rudder trim as in
center the ball. To stretch a spring, just jam a blunt cold chisel between
the turns of the spring and force it in to spread a turn. This can take
several flights. You will find that you will have to push right rudder
during takeoff and climb. Its easier than building an add on rudder trim.
Leo Corbalis
601HDS TD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Taildragger rudder cable tension
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Gents,
>
> I have the distinct feeling that this is a stupid
> question, but I can't find it in the plans or
> archives. How in the hell do you keep the rudder
> pedals upright and the cables tensioned on a
> taildragger?
>
> Also, I used Jeff's photo guide for seat
> construction this week, and it was a breeze. I made
> mine slightly different, but really enjoyed building
> them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rivnuts & rivet material question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I used the keyed rivnuts. I took an old hacksaw blade,ground away most of
the backing so I had a short very skinny saw to cut the key notch in the
side of the hole. I didnt bother with countersinking and I used greased
nylon screws from a hobby shop. I grease the screws. Set them tight so the
screw streches a tiny bit and they stay put until you want to remove them.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: <Crvsecretary@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: rivnuts & rivet material question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>
>
> Hello Phil:
>
> My drawing for the servo cover plate 6-T-6-5 shows 8 A4 rivets, so that's
> what I did.
>
> Rivnuts seems to be a good solution if the skin could be dimpled to have
> them lay flush, but then we have an issue with an appropriate screw to
> use.
>
> Can an experienced builder chime in here please?
>
> Also, an unrelated question for all you experienced builders:
>
> I understand the Avex rivets supplied by Zenith are aluminum rivets, is
> this
> correct? Has anyone found a source for the same rivet in stainless
> steel?
> At our last EAA meeting we saw a video demonstration on the hazards of an
> engine fire and I am concerned about the aluminum rivets that hold the
> firewall
> in place give way and melt. I understand some manufacturers call for a
> stainless rivet every third rivet just for this reason.
>
> Any thoughts??
>
>
> Tracy Smith
> Naugatuck, CT
> 601xl tail 100%
> do not archive
>
>
> In a message dated 3/24/2005 9:38:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> pmaxpmax@hotmail.com writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
>
> I thought of using Rivnuts for the cover plate, but since there are only
> 4
> A4 rivets, I thought drilling them out and replacing them every year (or
> whenever) is a small price to pay. Therefore, I didn't deviate from the
> plans.
>
> Phil Maxson
> 601XL/Corvair
> Northwest New Jersey
>
>
>
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| Subject: | rivnuts & rivet material question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Lance:
Everything has to be in the right place for the engine mounts - top and bottom.
It's a good idea to wait till all the parts are in place. I made sure I drilled
the holes through the top and bottom flange - you can see the bottom, inside
mount here on the left of the photo:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/12_27_04_Brakes.JPG
A closeup of the top mount is here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/8_7_04_UpperMount.JPG
If just makes sense to get as much "meat" to hold everything in place, so I made
sure the holes caught everything possible with sufficient edge distance.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
601XL / Corvair
Working on Instrument Panel
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
..Talking of motor mounts. I haven't drilled my lower engine mounts
(601XL) yet.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Great idea, Leo.
Thanks for the great idea
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 100%
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In a message dated 3/24/2005 1:47:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis"
<leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I used the keyed rivnuts. I took an old hacksaw blade,ground away most of
the backing so I had a short very skinny saw to cut the key notch in the
side of the hole. I didnt bother with countersinking and I used greased
nylon screws from a hobby shop. I grease the screws. Set them tight so the
screw streches a tiny bit and they stay put until you want to remove them.
Leo Corbalis
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| Subject: | rivnuts & rivet material question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Hi Scott,
I looks like your nicely scratch-built mounts have more room
(http://www.cooknwithgas.com/12_27_04_Brakes.JPG) at the front end than
my factory ones, since the engine mount bolt (poking through the
firewall) is welded.
Any kit builders had this issue, or do all your parts fit as nicely as
Scott's?
..lance
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N5SL
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: rivnuts & rivet material question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Lance:
Everything has to be in the right place for the engine mounts - top and
bottom. It's a good idea to wait till all the parts are in place. I
made sure I drilled the holes through the top and bottom flange - you
can see the bottom, inside mount here on the left of the photo:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/12_27_04_Brakes.JPG
A closeup of the top mount is here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/8_7_04_UpperMount.JPG
If just makes sense to get as much "meat" to hold everything in place,
so I made sure the holes caught everything possible with sufficient edge
distance.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
601XL / Corvair
Working on Instrument Panel
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| Subject: | Re: Questions on 601 XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
. . neil
So true! I could not have said it better myself. Listen to him Dave. He
knows well of which he speaks. . . Now . . . snatch the pebble from my hand,
young grasshopper.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans-building
Do not archive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Get started. Don't let the days slip away. It takes longer than you think to
build a plane so the sooner you start, the sooner you'll fly. Welcome
aboard.
..neil
Cincinnati, Ohio
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | ENGINE MOUNT BOLTS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Ah Ha! I did not know that. Actually I learned a valuable lesson (again) and
had to build my mounts twice. I built them to the drawings (holes and all) and
they just didn't fit right.
The second time I folded a piece of thick paper and trimmed with scissors until
it fit perfectly. I then transferred it to the 4130, cut, bent, then welded.
I drilled the firewall holes after the mounts were bolted to the longerons.
Kind of fool-proof this way. I have often wondered how you kit-builders make
everything fit just right when everything's already made.
Keep up the good work Lance. I enjoy looking at your pictures.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
601XL / Corvair
Working on Instrument Panel
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Lance Gingell <lgingell@matrix-logic.com> wrote:
since the engine mount bolt (poking through the firewall) is welded.
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| Subject: | Re: Help - Reddish Stall Warner |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
These are both from Digi-Key (www.digikey.com):
458-1025-ND 12 VDC intermittent Mallory Sonalert, page 1273 of the
current catalog, $22.71.
The nice thing about this particular Sonalert is that it is loud and
pulses. So it will really get your attention.
350-1451-ND 12 VDC Super-bright panel-mount red LED with pigtails, page
1500, $16.95
The lens on this LED is large (about 1/2" across) and bright enough for
direct sunlight.
Both of these are solid state devices and should last forever. But if
you want you could wire in a push-to-test button in parallel with the
switch in the stall indicator.
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
:)
Once when I was "checked" with the chief instructor, I
came too high on final and he said "do a side slip"...
I said "watch this".
I just pulled the throttle and slowed the plane to
65mph and we dropped fast... I flared the plane on the
numbers. I think he was half impressed and half
scared.
Michel
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--- Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> Corrections from 'too high - too close' are easily
> made with side-slipping.
> Then it resembles an aluminum parachute. Just be
> sure to keep on enough
> speed while slipping to recover to a safe flying
> speed when straightening
> out lower down.
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Stainless Steel Rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
I know Chris Heintz knows A LOT about designing aircraft. All his recent
designs were created with Avex rivets in mind. I wouldn't deviate
fundamental a design element for any amount of money.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
>From: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>Can an experienced builder chime in here please?
>
>Also, an unrelated question for all you experienced builders:
>
>I understand the Avex rivets supplied by Zenith are aluminum rivets, is
>this
>correct? Has anyone found a source for the same rivet in stainless steel?
>At our last EAA meeting we saw a video demonstration on the hazards of an
>engine fire and I am concerned about the aluminum rivets that hold the
>firewall
>in place give way and melt. I understand some manufacturers call for a
>stainless rivet every third rivet just for this reason.
>
>Any thoughts??
>
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| Subject: | 3 sheets for the rear fuse skins - 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Has everybody used 3 full sheets of .016 to make the four rear fuse
skins? Or is there some magical way to use 2 sheets?
Martin
STOL-Vair
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Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:17:42 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
Also, you could use some bonding glue (Sporty's has something equivalent to Gorilla
Glue) to make sure the rivnuts don't spin. I went another way on the trim
tab motor, used four small machine screws/nuts to mount the trim motor directly
to the inspection plate, and then used sheet metal screws a la Cessna to
hold the inspection plate on the skin.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
stiiiiilll in the fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Maxson<mailto:pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: rivnuts
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com<mailto:pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>>
I thought of using Rivnuts for the cover plate, but since there are only 4
A4 rivets, I thought drilling them out and replacing them every year (or
whenever) is a small price to pay. Therefore, I didn't deviate from the
plans.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
>From: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net<mailto:cscsail@gmavt.net>>
>Subject: Zenith-List: rivnuts
>Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:15:35 -0500
>
>Zenith shows the cover plate for the electric elevator trim tab servo
>riveted to the skin with A4 rivets. It seems like making the plate
>removable would be a better idea. What have others done here, or for
>inspection plates in general? I looked at rivnuts, but the standard
>flathead version would not allow the cover plate to lay flush with the
>skin.
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| Subject: | Help - Reddish Stall Warner |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
Thanks Craig, great information. I was trying to build the Reddish Stall
system from Radio Shack parts. Also, Aircraft-Spruce gave me an email
address of a contact that should have more information. I just sent the
email and it's too soon for a response.
Thanks again...
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help - Reddish Stall Warner
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
These are both from Digi-Key (www.digikey.com):
458-1025-ND 12 VDC intermittent Mallory Sonalert, page 1273 of the
current catalog, $22.71.
The nice thing about this particular Sonalert is that it is loud and
pulses. So it will really get your attention.
350-1451-ND 12 VDC Super-bright panel-mount red LED with pigtails, page
1500, $16.95
The lens on this LED is large (about 1/2" across) and bright enough for
direct sunlight.
Both of these are solid state devices and should last forever. But if
you want you could wire in a push-to-test button in parallel with the
switch in the stall indicator.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Help - Reddish Stall Warner |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
On second thought you probably don't the Sonalert with the intermittent
sound - when the sound cuts out you might think that the stall was over.
I use mine for an alarm that has to be manually acknowledge. For your
use better to use 458-1024-ND - $17.71
-- Craig
Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> These are both from Digi-Key (www.digikey.com):
>
> 458-1025-ND 12 VDC intermittent Mallory Sonalert, page 1273 of the
> current catalog, $22.71.
>
> The nice thing about this particular Sonalert is that it is loud and
> pulses. So it will really get your attention.
>
> 350-1451-ND 12 VDC Super-bright panel-mount red LED with pigtails, page
> 1500, $16.95
>
> The lens on this LED is large (about 1/2" across) and bright enough for
> direct sunlight.
>
> Both of these are solid state devices and should last forever. But if
> you want you could wire in a push-to-test button in parallel with the
> switch in the stall indicator.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Help - Reddish Stall Warner |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
Thanks again. Now I need to work on a circuit design that will shut the
indicators down upon landing and on the ground.
Do not archive
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help - Reddish Stall Warner
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
On second thought you probably don't the Sonalert with the intermittent
sound - when the sound cuts out you might think that the stall was over.
I use mine for an alarm that has to be manually acknowledge. For your
use better to use 458-1024-ND - $17.71
-- Craig
Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne
<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> These are both from Digi-Key (www.digikey.com):
>
> 458-1025-ND 12 VDC intermittent Mallory Sonalert, page 1273 of the
> current catalog, $22.71.
>
> The nice thing about this particular Sonalert is that it is loud and
> pulses. So it will really get your attention.
>
> 350-1451-ND 12 VDC Super-bright panel-mount red LED with pigtails,
page
> 1500, $16.95
>
> The lens on this LED is large (about 1/2" across) and bright enough
for
> direct sunlight.
>
> Both of these are solid state devices and should last forever. But if
> you want you could wire in a push-to-test button in parallel with the
> switch in the stall indicator.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Purolator Fuel Filter Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi guys,
Very recently, I referred to a search for a Purolator "See Through" Fuel
Filter in a posting.
This filter was eventually located and found to be a *Purolator Pro-Fuel
Filter*. In the Google perusal
of articles on this filter, I found that *there is a recall of this
filter series* because the
polylmer used for the housing in the suspect fuel filters may not be
compatible with ethanol
and other chemicals sometimes found in fuel systems. If the housing
leaks, you could have
a fire. In another listed instance, an aircraft builder's filter leaked
and it was on negative pressure, sucked air
and his engine quit on takeoff due to fuel starvation. Subsequent
replacement of this item was found to
be difficult as the replacement product was re-marked as Made in USA and
it was obviously made in Taiwan.
The latter didn't even exhibit the necessary quality found on the failed
original filter made in the US.
So much for the Purolator Company and their filters. I didn't want to
have misled anyone into using this
filter on their plane just because the basic concept embodied what I'd
like to have found in one..........
Pleased to have found this, but immensely disappointed that the trend of
once good products are
disappearing and being re-mfg as similiar, but inferior items from
offshore that could get you killed.
Please be aware and *do not use the Purolator Part Numbers 804, 805, 806
and NAPA
624804, 624805 and 624806 part numbers*.
Now I've got to find something else with a see-thru stainless filter
that works. Arrrgh!
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - Stratus
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| Subject: | Purolator Fuel Filter Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Larry thanks for sharing and when you do finally find one can you let us
all know please.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Zenith-List: Purolator Fuel Filter Warning
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
<larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi guys,
Very recently, I referred to a search for a Purolator "See Through" Fuel
Filter in a posting.
This filter was eventually located and found to be a *Purolator Pro-Fuel
Filter*. In the Google perusal
of articles on this filter, I found that *there is a recall of this
filter series* because the
polylmer used for the housing in the suspect fuel filters may not be
compatible with ethanol
and other chemicals sometimes found in fuel systems. If the housing
leaks, you could have
a fire. In another listed instance, an aircraft builder's filter leaked
and it was on negative pressure, sucked air
and his engine quit on takeoff due to fuel starvation. Subsequent
replacement of this item was found to
be difficult as the replacement product was re-marked as Made in USA and
it was obviously made in Taiwan.
The latter didn't even exhibit the necessary quality found on the failed
original filter made in the US.
So much for the Purolator Company and their filters. I didn't want to
have misled anyone into using this
filter on their plane just because the basic concept embodied what I'd
like to have found in one..........
Pleased to have found this, but immensely disappointed that the trend of
once good products are
disappearing and being re-mfg as similiar, but inferior items from
offshore that could get you killed.
Please be aware and *do not use the Purolator Part Numbers 804, 805, 806
and NAPA
624804, 624805 and 624806 part numbers*.
Now I've got to find something else with a see-thru stainless filter
that works. Arrrgh!
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - Stratus
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| Subject: | Re: rivnuts & rivet material question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
If the fire goes that big, to melt the rivets, this will be my less concern...
In any minor sign of probably inflight fire, the first thing to do is to close
the gasoline valve. then only the remaining fuel and some few plastics (most
materials should be fire resisitant) will keep burning (and you should keep
the plane flying all the way down) before you make a succesfull emergency landing.
Watching for "uncommon" signs (since freflight, smoke, vibrations, smell of gasoline,
gauges, etc) our plane give us, is part of our flying proficiency. Also
keep yourself alert in every moment of every flight, plus lots of luck will
prevent any mayor problem from killing us.
Finaly dont let this fear keep you from enjoying your wondefull flight in your
great airplane, remember you built it correctly with all the best materials
and you preflight it and mantain it as the best airplane in the planet, no way
it will burn!
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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Crvsecretary@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Phil:
My drawing for the servo cover plate 6-T-6-5 shows 8 A4 rivets, so that's
what I did.
Rivnuts seems to be a good solution if the skin could be dimpled to have
them lay flush, but then we have an issue with an appropriate screw to use.
Can an experienced builder chime in here please?
Also, an unrelated question for all you experienced builders:
I understand the Avex rivets supplied by Zenith are aluminum rivets, is this
correct? Has anyone found a source for the same rivet in stainless steel?
At our last EAA meeting we saw a video demonstration on the hazards of an
engine fire and I am concerned about the aluminum rivets that hold the firewall
in place give way and melt. I understand some manufacturers call for a
stainless rivet every third rivet just for this reason.
Any thoughts??
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 100%
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In a message dated 3/24/2005 9:38:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pmaxpmax@hotmail.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson"
I thought of using Rivnuts for the cover plate, but since there are only 4
A4 rivets, I thought drilling them out and replacing them every year (or
whenever) is a small price to pay. Therefore, I didn't deviate from the
plans.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
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| Subject: | Re: Rivnuts (Trim Servo Life?) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
We riveted the servo to the inspection plate, works great, we thought that this
will be easyer for future mantainance, if ever needed... Someone knows how
long the servo will last? I have never hear about one failing.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Gordon <cscsail@gmavt.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon"
Larry,
"I used the long A4s, but put a rivet-washer at the expanding end of the
rivet before pulling."
That's an excellent point, I was concerned about cracking the plastic, I'll follow
your advise. I had intended to rivet the servo, my question referred to the
cover plate which on the 701 calls for 8 rivets. I would think that it would
be nice to have easy access to the servo.
Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Purolator Fuel Filter Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
I'm willing to trade ruggedness for transparency. This what I'll be using:
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/EPP/EPPFSC/230106.html
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Purolator Fuel Filter Warning |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
Summit Racing also carries a full line of fuel filters, including the Earl's
filters shown at holley.com. An alternative is the Summit SUM-G1516 filter.
www.summitracing.com and look for "fuel filters an6".
Bill
>
> I'm willing to trade ruggedness for transparency. This what I'll be using:
>
> http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/EPP/EPPFSC/230106.html
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| Subject: | 701 first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Birgiolas" <johnbirgiolas@hotmail.com>
701 GDZZ made her maiden flight today. All went well, numbers as advertised.
912s, 650 gross (paint thick), standard instruments. 1200 hours build time.
Perservere, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. John
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| Subject: | Re: 701 first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Congratulations John!
Keep us posted of your testing.
Were are you located?
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
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John Birgiolas <johnbirgiolas@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Birgiolas"
701 GDZZ made her maiden flight today. All went well, numbers as advertised. 912s,
650 gross (paint thick), standard instruments. 1200 hours build time. Perservere,
there is a light at the end of the tunnel. John
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| Subject: | Re: 3 sheets for the rear fuse skins - 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
>
>
>Has everybody used 3 full sheets of .016 to make the four rear fuse
>skins? Or is there some magical way to use 2 sheets?
>
>
>Martin
>STOL-Vair
>
i tried for over an hour and couldn't do it John
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| Subject: | Lift Reserve Indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi guys:
Tonight I mounted my lift reserve indicator with a new face. I printed a white
face and a black face and decided on the white one. I may have to change it
after flying with it, but I wanted to give it a try.
Here's a closeup of the indicator:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_24_05_LRI2.jpg
Here's a photo of all the new instruments:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/3_24_05_LRI.jpg
The front glass screws off so it's easy to install the new face. The face is just
regular paper printed on a color printer.
I know a lot of you guys are considering this device so I hope this is helpful.
I've spent a total of $35 on all the parts to my LRI system. I think David
and Mark posted the directions at ch601.org.
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
N5SL (Reserved)
601XL/Corvair
Working on Instrument Panel
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| Subject: | Update Sun-N-Fun BBQ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi just a quick update for everyone, we now have over a hundred people
registered for the Sun-N-Fun BBQ and we still have 20 days left before
the event. I expect the event to climb even higher in the number of
attendants before we leave for Florida. Luckily, we have already
received some donations and will post all thanks to the contributors
after the BBQ. It has been somewhat of a relief to say the least, when I
came up with this idea and talked to David and Jon I said we would be
lucky to have 30-40 people show up, won't be a problem we'll just toss
in another Hibachi and it'll be covered! This goes to prove Zenith
Builders and Owners are a friendly lot. It also looks like we will have
improved cooking abilities to handle everyone so don't worry about
waiting too long for your burger or dog we should have it covered. We
have also extended an Invitation out to Jabiru USA and to
Sportsplanes.com to come and visit our BBQ due to there ongoing support
of Zenith Airplanes and it Owners and Builders. ZAC is also planning on
attending.
I will keep all of you posted of any updates and news. Don't forget your
lawn chairs and drinks.
See ya soon
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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65xx21@comcast.net, jboatri@emory.edu, zenith-list-digest@matronics.com,
charlesbonnie@alltel.net, j2lawrence@bellsouth.net,
wdeere-465@mindspring.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
Plans built Zodiac 601 HDS, N4399 received its Airworthiness this
morning.
Powered by 100HP Corvair, tricycle gear, day VFR plus,
Final weight 701 lbs. This includes locating battery in rear, along with
15.5 lbs of balast.
Will be starting taxi testing this weekend.
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charlesbonnie@alltel.net, j2lawrence@bellsouth.net,
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
Plans built Zodiac 601 HDS, N4399 received its Airworthiness this
morning.
Powered by 100HP Corvair, tricycle gear, day VFR plus,
Final weight 701 lbs. This includes locating battery in rear, along with
15.5 lbs of balast.
Will be starting taxi testing this weekend.
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Reserve Indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
>
>
>Hi guys:
>
> I think David and Mark posted the directions at ch601.org.
>
>Scott Laughlin
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>N5SL (Reserved)
>601XL/Corvair
>Working on Instrument Panel
Here is another link that describes this aoa.
You may have to copy and past to get all of it.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=6&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=4559822&OS=4559822&RS=4559822
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont
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| Subject: | Re: 701 first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Congratulations John.
I can see the end of the tunnel but not quite there yet. I am a slower
builder than that, 1360 hrs so far, still need to paint and do some minor
finishing touches which have turned out to take much longer than I had
anticipated.
Happy flying.
Johann G.
Iceland.
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Birgiolas"
> <johnbirgiolas@hotmail.com>
>
> 701 GDZZ made her maiden flight today. All went well, numbers as
> advertised. 912s, 650 gross (paint thick), standard instruments. 1200
> hours build time. Perservere, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
> John
>
>
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