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1. 01:15 AM - 601 HD with O200 or O235 (chrisoz@bmail.com.au)
2. 05:43 AM - Right brakes (Don Mountain)
3. 05:52 AM - Electrical system diagrams (Don Mountain)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Loose drilled out rivets (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: Right brakes (Hunt Malcolm)
6. 06:06 AM - Re: Electrical system diagrams (Bill Steer)
7. 06:25 AM - Right brakes (Don Mountain)
8. 06:58 AM - Re: Electrical system diagrams (Rick R)
9. 07:21 AM - Reverse thrust (Grant Corriveau)
10. 07:26 AM - Re:Loose drilled out rivets (Grant Corriveau)
11. 07:27 AM - Jabiru Engine won't start (charles.long@gm.com)
12. 09:10 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine won't start (Chuck Deiterich)
13. 09:18 AM - 701 to Astronaut Halsell (Hal Rozema)
14. 10:14 AM - Wheel fairings (John Karnes)
15. 11:42 AM - Re: Electrical system diagrams (Traveling Man)
16. 11:55 AM - Re: drainage holes (Tebenkof@aol.com)
17. 12:12 PM - Re: drainage holes (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
18. 06:31 PM - Re: 601 XL for sale (Joemotis@aol.com)
19. 07:18 PM - mulloy/sagerser/halsell 701 (Hal Rozema)
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| Subject: | 601 HD with O200 or O235 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: chrisoz@bmail.com.au
Hello Gentlemen,
I feel the old itch and the time to build an other Zodiac is coming up. After
building two with Rotax 912 and one with an EA81, I am now looking at putting
an O200 or O235 in. Spice is the variety of life :-)
Here are my questions:
How much do they weight, and is the O235 to big for the HD?
Anybody flying those engines, what is your climb rate?
I am not so worried about the top speed, as a taildragger the HD should do
100mph no matter what, but I am wondering wether those heavy (?) engines make
the plane sluggish.
My EA81 Zodiac weighed 710 lb, with the engine weighing 240 lb fluids
included, and while it was doing fine speed wise, it climbed at only
800ft/min, and was a bit of a truck.
The 912/ 80 hp at 554 lb climbed with 1200 ft/min, like a homesick angel,
beautiful.
What is your experience with the O's?
Thanks,
Chris from Oz
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Has anyone installed brake peddles on the co-pilot
side of a 601 XL, and what does it take to do it? We
have the tail done and working on the wings. But my
copilot was studying the plans and wondering about
installation of brakes on both sides. Is it possible?
Expensive? Lots of welding and fabrication? Or does
Zenith sell a package to do that?
Don Mountain
601 XL
Tail done, wings under construction, engine?
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| Subject: | Electrical system diagrams |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I need some sources of information for the electrical
system on my 601 XL. I have the electric trim in the
elevator and aelerons, landing and nav lights, and
planning a Dynon electric panel with maybe a Jabarue
engine, plus elt, com radio and intercom. I need to
learn about what goes into an electrical system, where
sources are for electrical materials, and how to put
it together. A complete electrical diagram would be
nice. I don't know what to do about the "fuse panel".
Is there something more modern? Electronic circuit
breakers? It seems that with all the trim motors
requiring 1 amp breakers and all the electronc stuff
and lights, I will need a pretty large circuit breaker
panel.
Any help would be appreciated.
Don Mountain
601 XL
tail done, working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Loose drilled out rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Don, yes they will and the solution is "Just Shake, Rattle and Roll" BOL,
Bill of Georgia
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
Hi Don
CZAW have a scheme using the Matco lay-down cylinders and similar brake pedals
to P1 side.
Best wishes
Malcolm
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Mountain
Subject: Zenith-List: Right brakes
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Has anyone installed brake peddles on the co-pilot
side of a 601 XL, and what does it take to do it? We
have the tail done and working on the wings. But my
copilot was studying the plans and wondering about
installation of brakes on both sides. Is it possible?
Expensive? Lots of welding and fabrication? Or does
Zenith sell a package to do that?
Don Mountain
601 XL
Tail done, wings under construction, engine?
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical system diagrams |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
An invaluable source of information is Bob Nuckolls from AeroElectric. Go
to www.aeroelectric.com. Buy the book, which has a lot of advice and
electrical diagrams like the ones you mention. There's a link to B&C, which
carries electrical supplies, on the aeroelectric web site.
Hope this helps.
Bill
> I need some sources of information for the electrical
> system on my 601 XL.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>CZAW have a scheme using the Matco lay-down cylinders
and similar brake
pedals to P1 side.
What is CZAW?
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical system diagrams |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <n701rr@yahoo.com>
Also, for good guidelines and practices, go to www.homebuilthelp.com. Look at Electrical Wiring 101 for Homebuilt Aircraft.
They offer a DVD on basic wiring practices among others. A must have.
Bill Steer <bsteer@gwi.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer"
An invaluable source of information is Bob Nuckolls from AeroElectric.
Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> My emergency plan for prop in reverse in flight is as following:
> - switch off engine
> - look for landing spot. try to bring prop into forward position by
> activating toggle switch
> - if successful, restart engine
Hey Thilo, that short landing and taxying backwards sounds like FUN! We
used to do 'power backs' from the gate on the DC-9, but we were required to
have our feet OFF the brakes so as NOT to accidentally dump the airplane on
its tail!
One thing I'd add to that emergency plan: KEEP the FLYING SPEED -- point
the nose as far DOWN as necessary to maintain 80mph (or whatever)... this
could be the hardest part as I'm sure it will be very steep.
regards,
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re:Loose drilled out rivets |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> heads left rattleing around inside the stabilizer and
> elevator after drilling out and replacing a few bad
> ones?
They won't cause any problem that I can think of, but if they offend your
sense of 'completion'...
All 'closed in' sections need to have a drainage hole drilled (at least
under Can. regs)... there is a minimum size specified for this hole to
ensure that it won't plug up and water can drain out of each place it might
accumulate. Why not just drill a hole just large enough to get that rivet
head out? (if memory serves, 3/8" is required by the CAN. regs and that
might be just about big enough...)
fwiw
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Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Jabiru Engine won't start |
20, 2004) at 04/04/2005 10:26:34 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
Fired up my Zodie for the first time this weekend! Ran great and had
lots of fun cruising around the airport grounds. Thanks for everyone who
provided tips on getting my Jab3300 fired up for the first time. First
flight should be in the next week or so.
----- Forwarded by Charles F. Long/US/ATD/GMC on 04/04/2005 09:23 AM -----
Charles F. Long
03/21/2005 08:53 AM
Subject: Jabiru Engine won't start
Question for those of you using the Jabiru 3300. I have attempted on
two occasions to start my engine but was unsuccessful. The very first few
times it would immediately fire but then die. I suspect I'm not getting
the fuel to the cylinders. I have no gas smell typical of a flooded
condition. Before the final fuel line installation, I pumped fuel out of
both tanks using the electric pumps and was getting 20 gph out of each
side. Is there something about the bing altitude compensating carb that
could contribute to some sort of air lock? Any other thoughts?
Thanks
Chuck Long
N601LE
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine won't start |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Hi Chuck,
Don't keep us in suspense. What did you do to it to get it to start?
Chuck D.
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
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> Fired up my Zodie for the first time this weekend! Ran great and
had
>
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| Subject: | 701 to Astronaut Halsell |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
I just had a phone chat with James Sagerser who is an Arizona/Alaska
> resident.
>
> Jim bought Chuck Mulloy's 701 with a Jab 2200. Mulloy had it at
> Glendale Airport (Phoenix) and Sagerser kept it at Stellar Airpark
> (Phoenix). I think the purchase was about 3 months ago. He gave me a cool hour
and a half in it. Shot a few landings.
>
> Sagerser, meanwhile, has started building a modified 701 at his home in
> Tempe, AZ and put the (Mulloy) 701 up for sale. It was purchased by
> Astronaut, Jim Halsell. He has two space missions and another planned
> in future. Perhaps the next shuttle launch.
>
> Halsell left Stellar at about 7AM this morning (04.02) to fly it to
> Houston TX
>
> Speed - shuttle mach 25 ... 701 mach 0.1
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> Thought you'd like to know.
>
> Hal
> ThePlaneFolks.net
N701PF VSTOL701-J3300
finishing control cables and trim tab wiring
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Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:09:47 -0700
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Karnes" <jpkarnes2000@msn.com>
I have not installed wheel fairings on my 601 HDS and probably never will. I will
sell them for $200 plus shipping.
John Karnes
N601JK
360-509-1471 or email me. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical system diagrams |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
And for help with specifics once you've got Bob Nuckolls book Check the link
below. It's the Aero Electric list right here on the Matronics server.
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/aeroelectric-list/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List:drainage holes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
On the subject of drainage holes.... A tech counselor taking a look at my
701 a few weeks ago was concerned about water collecting, as he looked at the
"upside down" horizontal stabilizer. His view, and it made sense to me, was
that quite a bit of water could accumulate in there. Have others put in low
point drainage holes, or has anyone found a problem with this issue? Like a
corrosion problem?
I have not done anything about it yet, but would like to know whether anyone
feels this something worthy of correction.
Thanks,
Jim Greenough
701 in Portland OR
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| Subject: | Zenith-List:drainage holes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Corrosion will not be an issue unless you live on/next to salt water.
6061 will not corrode past the first few microns of the surface, the
reason behind this is that aluminium oxide (alu rust!) is waterproof and
prevents further corrosion (unlike steel).
The preoblem becomes between parts that rub together, that's why you
prime the mating parts to preven the "rust" from being rubbed off.
After 6 years mine has no corrosion at all.
Frank
601 354 hours HDS Corvallis OR.
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Tebenkof@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List:drainage holes
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
On the subject of drainage holes.... A tech counselor taking a look at
my
701 a few weeks ago was concerned about water collecting, as he looked
at the "upside down" horizontal stabilizer. His view, and it made
sense to me, was that quite a bit of water could accumulate in there.
Have others put in low point drainage holes, or has anyone found a
problem with this issue? Like a corrosion problem?
I have not done anything about it yet, but would like to know whether
anyone feels this something worthy of correction.
Thanks,
Jim Greenough
701 in Portland OR
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
On my 601 XL kit with one wing partially assembled in Los Angeles I have
decided to ask 15K
It includes the following
Complete kit except for the canopy
and has the following options
Dual control sticks
Strobes
Landing lite
Aileron trim tab
Wing baggage lockers
email off list for more info
Also, I do not want to ship it and would request that any potential buyer be
aware that they would have to pick it up.
Thanks
Joe
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| Subject: | mulloy/sagerser/halsell 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Sorry guys,
My earlier e-mail concerning the new owner of this 701 was in error.
Actually he has had 5 space missions (3 as commander) and will do his next
mission in 2006. See his autobiography at this link:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/halsell.html
Hal ThePlaneFolks.Net
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