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1. 12:07 AM - Many new 601 photo guides (Lance Gingell)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: 601 HD with O200 or O235 (Clive Richards)
3. 04:54 AM - Re: Landing Light Lens (jnbolding1)
4. 07:08 AM - Kit Shipment (charles.long@gm.com)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: 601HD with O-200 (John M. Goodings)
6. 07:43 AM - Updated Manual pages at ZAC (Don Mountain)
7. 09:45 AM - Re: Updated Manual pages at ZAC ()
8. 01:33 PM - Re: Reverse thrust (Thilo Kind)
9. 01:44 PM - Re: Updated Manual pages at ZAC (Don Mountain)
10. 03:03 PM - 601XL canopy, pre-installation care? (Ozarkseller2@aol.com)
11. 03:14 PM - Re: 601XL canopy, pre-installation care? (Bill Steer)
12. 03:24 PM - Re: Updated Manual pages at ZAC ()
13. 05:53 PM - 601 XL for sale (Joemotis@aol.com)
14. 06:45 PM - Re: Lights & strobes (Bob Miller)
15. 07:12 PM - XL Weights (Al Young)
16. 07:58 PM - Re: 601XL canopy, pre-installation care? (Mike)
17. 08:01 PM - Re: Updated Manual pages at ZAC (Mike)
18. 08:18 PM - rotax 912 exhaust, rad (j. davis)
19. 09:02 PM - Engine mounting bolts (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
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| Subject: | Many new 601 photo guides |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Just an FYI for the 601XL builders. I noticed a whole bunch of new photo
guides just appeared on the builders section of zenithair.com. Extensive
jigging instructions in 6-b-11b now. Shame I'm already past that!
Some of these items would have saved me re-ordering a couple of parts.
If fact, Nick asked if certain bits of info would have helped, and now
they are in the photo guides
ZAC are certainly good at listening and updating these things.
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/planebuild.asp
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HD with O200 or O235 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clive Richards" <stephen@crichards.flyer.co.uk>
Hi Chris
Ray Lasnier reckons from the manual which is vague
the 0 200 Weighs about 250 lbs with accessories.
Will weigh and let you know actual weight in a few weeks as the engine will
have to be removed to move plane to airfield.
Beleive the all up weight will be about 730 lbs Ray is currently painting
the wings & on completion will assemble plane completely in workshop for
inspection & final weight & balance check.
A drawing is available from zenith for the engine mount but you will have to
make one yourself & also make your own cowel
Clive Richards for R Lasnier G CBDG
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From: <chrisoz@bmail.com.au>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD with O200 or O235
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: chrisoz@bmail.com.au
>
> Hello Gentlemen,
>
> I feel the old itch and the time to build an other Zodiac is coming up.
After
> building two with Rotax 912 and one with an EA81, I am now looking at
putting
> an O200 or O235 in. Spice is the variety of life :-)
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> How much do they weight, and is the O235 to big for the HD?
>
>
> What is your experience with the O's?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris from Oz
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Lens |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>email me off line if you need more details.
>
>Scott Laughlin
>N5SL (reserved)
>www.cooknwithgas.com
>601XL/Corvair
>Stuck in Houston for a few days
>
>"Blair, Heath" <HBlair@chartercom.com> wrote:
Scott, If you have some time and wanna play airplanes a bit before
you leave Houston come out to RWJ Airpark and we'll make the
rounds. Might even get to tour the Bay from the air. LOW&SLOW
John Bolding
Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
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20, 2004) at 04/07/2005 10:06:58 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
Picking up the kit at the factory is a great idea if you live
reasonably close. The basic kit will fit in a mini-van with the rear seats
taken out (not including engine and FWF package). You may want to wait on
buying your engine and make a second trip later. That way it doesn't just
sit there taking up space and you can take advantage of any improvments
they make in the next couple years.
Chuck Long
N601LE
Flying Soon!
Time: 07:20:26 PM PST US
From: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Ordering 601XL Kit
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen"
<davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net>
I am considering ordering my airframe kit now, if ZAC could have it ready
prior to my builder's class in August, that way I could avoid shipping and
save a trip by bringing it back with me. Good or bad idea? More
importantly, will the kit fit in my van, or would I need a trailer?
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
Madison, WI
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD with O-200 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
I hesitate to wade into this discussion because the people involved may
already be well aware of my concerns. I have a 601HD with tri-gear, and
originally bought a Continental O-200A. After a while, I did some weight
and balance arithmetic, and this engine, to my mind, did not make any
sense. The engine had a 60 amp. alternator on the back, which meant the
engine would have to be moved far forward to clear the nosegear leg.
This meant the battery would have to go in the tail with long heavy copper
leads forward. Even then, the aircraft was nose-heavy, probably requiring
extra weight in the tail. To be clear, this was early days for the 601
(i.e. 600!), and I had a header tank, not wing tanks which would help move
the C of G aft. What this meant was that there was no gross weight left
for baggage; the heavy engine itself uses up gross weight. Also, the fuel
burn would be high. Thus, it was my judgment that I would be putting an
awful lot of effort into an aircraft which was badly compromised from the
start. [I sold the O-200A (at a loss!), and installed a Rotax 912S
instead.] Obviously, others may have a different view of this, because I
have certainly seen a couple of pretty 601HDs flying with
Continental/Lycoming engines.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, 601HD with 912S, Toronto/Waterloo.
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| Subject: | Updated Manual pages at ZAC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I looked through the updated construction manual pages
for the 601 XL as pointed out by another person.
Being new to this building process (Picked up my kit
last February) I didn't quite know what to do with the
modified dimensions shown on the Stabilizer front spar
attachment of the 6T2-2 attachment doubler angles and
6T2-1 angles. The wood block spacer was changed from
the 219 mm on my plans to 233 mm on the new manual
pages. Is there a corrosponding dimensional change on
the airframe where the stabilizer is mounted? I
didn't see changes there? Or does the stabilizer now
mount farther forward on the airframe due to the
increase of spacing by 14 mm? All of this is on my
manual page 6 of 10, section 6-T-1A.
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| Subject: | Re: Updated Manual pages at ZAC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <davgray@sbcglobal.net>
This should make your stabilizer mounting brackets match better.
If you look at the Zenith demonstrator aircraft very carefully you will see
that
the alignment is slightly forward w/resp to the bolt holes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Mountain" <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Updated Manual pages at ZAC
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> I looked through the updated construction manual pages
> for the 601 XL as pointed out by another person.
> Being new to this building process (Picked up my kit
> last February) I didn't quite know what to do with the
> modified dimensions shown on the Stabilizer front spar
> attachment of the 6T2-2 attachment doubler angles and
> 6T2-1 angles. The wood block spacer was changed from
> the 219 mm on my plans to 233 mm on the new manual
> pages. Is there a corrosponding dimensional change on
> the airframe where the stabilizer is mounted? I
> didn't see changes there? Or does the stabilizer now
> mount farther forward on the airframe due to the
> increase of spacing by 14 mm? All of this is on my
> manual page 6 of 10, section 6-T-1A.
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reverse thrust |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Grant,
one of my flyying buddies - an airline captain told the story of the Russian
airliner, which used the reverse trust to back up after turning into the
wrong taxi way....
Anyway, thanks for the tip. I will add the airspeed tinto my emergency
procedure.
On another topic: I decided today, that work really sucks and that I would
need some time off. Coincidently, it is Sun'n Fun time. So I got some
commercial airline tickets.... Will be at the show Thursday and Friday. Hope
to see many of you fine folks there as well as many Zodiacs...
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Corriveau" <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Reverse thrust
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> > My emergency plan for prop in reverse in flight is as following:
> > - switch off engine
> > - look for landing spot. try to bring prop into forward position by
> > activating toggle switch
> > - if successful, restart engine
>
> Hey Thilo, that short landing and taxying backwards sounds like FUN! We
> used to do 'power backs' from the gate on the DC-9, but we were required
to
> have our feet OFF the brakes so as NOT to accidentally dump the airplane
on
> its tail!
>
> One thing I'd add to that emergency plan: KEEP the FLYING SPEED -- point
> the nose as far DOWN as necessary to maintain 80mph (or whatever)... this
> could be the hardest part as I'm sure it will be very steep.
>
> regards,
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Updated Manual pages at ZAC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
> This should make your stabilizer mounting brackets
> match better.
> If you look at the Zenith demonstrator aircraft very
> carefully you will see
> that
> the alignment is slightly forward w/resp to the bolt
> holes.
But I already put the stabilizer mounting brackets on
at the 219 mm shown in my plans instead of the new 233
mm dimension shown on the new manual. My skin was
also cut out for the 219 mm dimension. It would be
quite difficult to tear down the riveting of the
stabilizer and try to remount the angles. Or can the
mounting plates on the airframe just be moved to fit?
Is there an error somewhere or is this just a slight
improvement in construction?
__________________________________
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| Subject: | 601XL canopy, pre-installation care? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
I have my 601 canopy from ZAC, but expect to not have time to install it for
time. It's rolled up and wrapped in paper (a 5-foot package about 16 inches
in diameter). Would it be advisable to unroll it to prevent it taking a "set,"
and/or any other concerns with temporary storage?
Robin in Jasper, AR
601XL Wynne-Vair 2900, N601ZV reserved
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL canopy, pre-installation care? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
I kept mine in a cool place (the basement) for a year before I unwrapped it,
with no problem.
Bill
> in diameter). Would it be advisable to unroll it to prevent it taking a
> "set,"
> and/or any other concerns with temporary storage?
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| Subject: | Re: Updated Manual pages at ZAC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <davgray@sbcglobal.net>
Mine came out like the demonstrator when spaced at the 219mm width. I asked
Nick about the snug fit that required slightly off center bolt holes in the
brackets. It was not a strength issue but one of more perfect centering. I
doubt you will have any more problem than I did, but you will see the
difference that the wider width makes when you mount the stabilizer. I did
not have to remake anything.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Mountain" <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Updated Manual pages at ZAC
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> > This should make your stabilizer mounting brackets
> > match better.
> > If you look at the Zenith demonstrator aircraft very
> > carefully you will see
> > that
> > the alignment is slightly forward w/resp to the bolt
> > holes.
>
> But I already put the stabilizer mounting brackets on
> at the 219 mm shown in my plans instead of the new 233
> mm dimension shown on the new manual. My skin was
> also cut out for the 219 mm dimension. It would be
> quite difficult to tear down the riveting of the
> stabilizer and try to remount the angles. Or can the
> mounting plates on the airframe just be moved to fit?
> Is there an error somewhere or is this just a slight
> improvement in construction?
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
The kit for sale is a 2004 model.
Thanks
Joe
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Lights & strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Brett,
You're probably busy getting ready for Sun'nFun, but I hope you'll be able
to let us know the results of any testing re whether the LED nav and strobe
lights meet the FAA specs. If they do, I would love to order the whole set.
Many thanks,
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Lights & strobes
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> Here's something new I thought guys might be interested in.
>
> I have some super bright LED wing tip and tail lights. They are about
> the size of a quater. Red & green set $30 single white $15.
> I also have a low cost strobe set. The lights are about half the size of
> a pencil. Very compact and light. They are $50 for 2 lights with power
> supply.
> And I have some red LED mini spot lights. They are about the size of the
> end of your finger. They are great for mounting behind you and lighting
> the panel. By being a spot light they only light the dash. And they
> swivle. (is that how you spell that?) It doesn't look right. They are
> $20 for a pair.
> I will have them on display at Sun-N-Fun and I'll get some pictures on
> the web site this weekend.
> Let me know what you think.
>
>
> Thanks
> Brett Ray
> www.hog-air.com
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Would any of you XL drivers who have reached the point of weighing your plane give
me an idea of what weight you found for each gear. I would like to compare.
Weight should be empty of fuel. Thanks in advance
Al Young
Ready for the FAA Inspection
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL canopy, pre-installation care? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
> Would it be advisable to unroll it to prevent it taking a "set,"
> and/or any other concerns with temporary storage?
I'm in the process of replacing my canopy bubble (first one cracked while drilling
the last darn hole...). I ordered the replacement about 7 months ago, and
it's been sitting in the corner of the hangar, rolled up in its original paper
just as it was when I received it. I saw no difference in working with this one
than I did with the first one, which I installed almost right after I received
it. If it were me, I'd store it rolled and wrapped.
One last bit of advice -- don't try to do anything with it until it's very warm.
The risk of cracking when it's cold is too expensive of a mistake!
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Updated Manual pages at ZAC |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
> But I already put the stabilizer mounting brackets
I feel your pain. If I had a nickel every time something changed on the plans AFTER
I already did that section, I'd be rich enough to not have to build this
thing. For what it's worth, mine is constructed per the original plans, and everything
seemed to fit just fine. Of course, I haven't flown it yet....
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | rotax 912 exhaust, rad |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "j. davis" <jd@lawsonimaging.ca>
Greetings...
Since the old-style steel exhaust system I got with my new/old
FWF package is evidently unsafe at any speed (see pic at
http://www.cleco.ca/ch701/construction_gallery/new_engine,
I am looking for the more standard s.s system with transverse silencer.
Anyone know of one for sale? I would also consider changing the steel
elbows in the system picture for stainless, and going with that, if
someone knows where I could get the elbows.
I'm also looking for an in-cowl H2O rad, the Rotax one (16.5 x 5.5 x
1.5") with the four bosses for vibration mounts.
Thanks...
--
Regards, J.
flying: Zenair STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY
building: Sonex #325, Jabiru 3300/6 cyl/120hp, 60% done
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| Subject: | Engine mounting bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" <piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com>
I'm wondering if anybody has had corrosion problems with the steel mounting bolts
into the aluminum engine case of a Rotax 912ULS.
Thanks in advance,
Tony Pierce
701, engine sitting on the mount
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