---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/15/05: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:44 AM - Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant (ruruny@aol.com) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: Possible group Insurance for 601XXX Owners (Schemmel, Grant) 3. 07:53 AM - Re: Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 4. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Possible group Insurance for 601XXX Owners (Thomas Boehmer) 5. 08:14 AM - Re: Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant (cgalley) 6. 11:17 AM - Re: Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:24 AM PST US From: ruruny@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant --> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruny@aol.com Recently I made a post that Permatex high temperature thread sealant worked on sealing the threads for the fingerscreen and the hose nipple that screws into the fingerscreen. I take it back and hope no one has used this stuff. I leaked checked both tanks for my left wing this week by simply filling them up full with gas and letting them sit for a while. I checked them 3 days later and found nothing leaking but not having the time to empty them I let them sit for another 4 days. Yesterday I found both tanks with fuel weeping thru the joint of the fingerscreen fitting and the hose nipple threads. The joint between the tank and fingerscreen was not leaking. I removed the fitting and it looks like the fuel (auto) dissolves this fuel resistant sealer. The new zenith manual 11/27/04 says to use Permatex Form-A-Gasket or Sealube. I have ordered from Spruce 1 each of Aviation Form-A-Gascket, Sealube, Bakerseal to try these out. Has anyone had sucess with any of these. I know its bad to use teflon tape in the fuel system but has anyone used pro seal on pipe threads or is it just as bad as the tape. Bad news is my 2 right wing tanks are riveted in the wing with this stuff that were leaked checked for 4 days good. Good news is I put access panels under each fitting just in case they needed maintenance. Also good news, 4 tanks and no leaks in welded seams. Seals for senders were good also. Thanks Guys Brian Unruh Engine sitting next to fuselage waiting for hoist. Aeroelectric stuff ordered. Wing ready for riveting when tanks ready. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:40 AM PST US From: "Schemmel, Grant" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Possible group Insurance for 601XXX Owners --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Schemmel, Grant" Hi Jeff, Count me in on the group insurance too - certainly can't hurt to check it out. Thanks Grant Schemmel N602GS Time: 05:49:24 AM PST US From: "Jeffrey Glasserow" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Possible group Insurance for 601XXX Owners clamav-milter version 0.80j on osiris --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" Given the fact that many in this group are at Sun & Fun this wekk I'll post this next week as well. If you're interested in participating in a group insurance scheme, send me a note and I'll put your name on a list. Once I get a sizable list together I'll approach a few of the big underwriters to see if they're interested in writing a group policy. Jeff Glasserow Ch 601 HDS N6384E ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I think pro seal is not really intended for threads. I used teflon based thread sealant for plumbing fixtures from the hardware store (says it works with all fuels). Never had a leak in 6 years. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ruruny@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant --> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruny@aol.com Recently I made a post that Permatex high temperature thread sealant worked on sealing the threads for the fingerscreen and the hose nipple that screws into the fingerscreen. I take it back and hope no one has used this stuff. I leaked checked both tanks for my left wing this week by simply filling them up full with gas and letting them sit for a while. I ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:01 AM PST US From: "Thomas Boehmer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Possible group Insurance for 601XXX Owners --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas Boehmer" Put us on the list. Tom and Dawna Boehmer, 9446 colegate way, Hamilton, Ohio 45011 513(874-1481) Tomdawna@msn.com After 7/1 7706 Sycamore Woods Lane, Hamilton, Ohio 45014 >From: "Schemmel, Grant" >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: "'zenith-list@matronics.com'" >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Possible group Insurance for 601XXX Owners >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:07:34 -0600 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Schemmel, Grant" > > >Hi Jeff, > >Count me in on the group insurance too - certainly can't hurt to check it >out. > >Thanks > >Grant Schemmel >N602GS > > >Time: 05:49:24 AM PST US >From: "Jeffrey Glasserow" >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Possible group Insurance for 601XXX Owners > clamav-milter version 0.80j > on osiris > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" > > >Given the fact that many in this group are at Sun & Fun this wekk I'll post >this next week as well. >If you're interested in participating in a group insurance scheme, send me >a >note and I'll put your name on a list. >Once I get a sizable list together I'll approach a few of the big >underwriters to see if they're interested in writing a group policy. >Jeff Glasserow >Ch 601 HDS >N6384E > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:22 AM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" What you want for pipe type thread seal is Loctite PST or just plain pipe dope. On the other hand, The IAs I have consulted say NOTHING. If it leaks get a different fitting if tightening doesn't work. I personally use the first. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruny@aol.com > > Recently I made a post that Permatex high temperature thread sealant > worked on sealing the threads > for the fingerscreen and the hose nipple that screws into the > fingerscreen. I take it back and hope no one has used this stuff. I leaked > checked both tanks for my left wing this week by simply filling them up > full with gas and letting them sit for a while. I checked them 3 days > later and found nothing leaking but not having the time to empty them I > let them sit for another 4 days. Yesterday I found both tanks with > fuel weeping thru the joint of the fingerscreen fitting and the hose > nipple threads. The joint between the tank and fingerscreen was not > leaking. I removed the fitting and it looks like the fuel (auto) dissolves > this fuel resistant sealer. > > The new zenith manual 11/27/04 says to use Permatex Form-A-Gasket or > Sealube. > I have ordered from Spruce 1 each of Aviation Form-A-Gascket, Sealube, > Bakerseal to try these out. > Has anyone had sucess with any of these. I know its bad to use teflon tape > in the fuel system but has anyone > used pro seal on pipe threads or is it just as bad as the tape. > > Bad news is my 2 right wing tanks are riveted in the wing with this stuff > that were leaked checked for 4 days good. Good news is I put access panels > under each fitting just in case they needed maintenance. > Also good news, 4 tanks and no leaks in welded seams. Seals for senders > were good also. > > Thanks Guys > > Brian Unruh > > Engine sitting next to fuselage waiting for hoist. > Aeroelectric stuff ordered. > Wing ready for riveting when tanks ready. > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:44 AM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel fitting leaks, Pipe thread sealant --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net I used sealube on my fuel fittings and have seen no evidence of leaks after nearly a year in service with auto gas. The problem with teflon tape is when the fittings are reused. When fittings sealed with the tape are disassembled, the tape comes off in long stringy pieces that can get into the lines and plug things up if they are not all removed. the tape can be removed from male threads well enough but it's very difficult to remove from the female threads. -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruny@aol.com > > The new zenith manual 11/27/04 says to use Permatex Form-A-Gasket or Sealube. > I have ordered from Spruce 1 each of Aviation Form-A-Gascket, Sealube, > Bakerseal to try these out. > Has anyone had sucess with any of these. I know its bad to use teflon tape in > the fuel system but has anyone > used pro seal on pipe threads or is it just as bad as the tape. I used sealube on my fuel fittings and have seen no evidence of leaks after nearly a year in service with auto gas. The problem with teflon tape is when the fittings are reused. When fittings sealed with the tape are disassembled, the tape comes off in long stringy piecesthat can get into the lines and plug things up if they are not all removed. the tape can be removed from male threads well enough but it's very difficult to remove from the female threads. -------------- Original message -------------- -- Zenith-List message posted by: ruruny@aol.com The new zenith manual 11/27/04 says to use Permatex Form-A-Gasket or Sealube. I have ordered from Spruce 1 each of Aviation Form-A-Gascket, Sealube, Bakerseal to try these out. Has anyone had sucess with any of these. I know its bad to use teflon tape in the fuel system but has anyone used pro seal on pipe threads or is it just as bad as the tape.