Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:00 AM - Elevator twist (Grant Corriveau)
2. 04:12 AM - Brake fluid (Grant Corriveau)
3. 05:57 AM - Zenair Newsletter (Jeffrey A Beachy)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: Battery selection for 601's (Don WALKER)
5. 07:07 AM - Re: Battery selection for 601's (Leo Gates)
6. 07:08 AM - Re: Brake fluid (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 07:25 AM - Re: [aviation] Re: Battery selection for 601's (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 08:16 AM - Re: Elevator Twist (Chuck Deiterich)
9. 08:37 AM - Re: Zenair Newsletter (Bryan Martin)
10. 08:56 AM - Re: Zenair Newsletter (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
11. 08:57 AM - Re: CH 640 FOR SALE (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta)
12. 10:20 AM - Re: Brake fluid (Michel Therrien)
13. 12:03 PM - Re: Brake fluid (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
14. 12:04 PM - Re: Brake fluid (Mike Sinclair)
15. 12:44 PM - Re: Brake fluid (N5SL)
16. 02:09 PM - BRS (Ballistic Recovery System) (Tommy Walker)
17. 07:07 PM - Re: BRS (Ballistic Recovery System) (N5SL)
18. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: CH 640 FOR SALE (Scott Moser)
19. 09:03 PM - Re: BRS (Ballistic Recovery System) (NYTerminat@aol.com)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Before I could celebrate too much, I noticing a problem. It seems my elevator
> has a little twist in it - in other words the right side is about 1/4" low
How can you even measure 1/4 inch from one end to the other? I doubt very
much that this will make any difference at all to the aircraft's flyability.
As Chris Heinz has said, this is not an F14.... (or something like that)
For the definitve answer, you should call the factory.
Congrats on acheiving this milestone!
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> ...Whatever you do DO NOT PUT automotive brake fluid in
> your cylinders.
Frank,
What's the problem with automotive brake fluid?
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Zenair Newsletter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy <beachyjeff@juno.com>
I am just starting on my CH 701 kit. How helpful are the Zenair
Newsletters? Are the CH701 back issues worth the $95.00? Am I missing out
on vital information by only using my plans, construction CD and this
list?
Jeff Beachy
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| Subject: | Re: Battery selection for 601's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don WALKER" <d3dw@msn.com>
Hi Dick,
I have used a 14 AH morotcycle battery for six years now and have been
very pleased. It turns the Subaru over easily and has never failed. I put
another one in after five years just because it was that old and they are
cheap. $31. Mine is mounted on the firewall and easy to service along with
light and little wire used. Empty weight with paint is 612 lbs, which
contributes to 1650 fpm+ initial climb on a cool day. Don Walker HDS TD
360 hrs
>From: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Battery selection for 601's
>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:02:54 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Dick,
>I used a couple of 18 amp hour Sealed Lead Acid batteries from Batteries
>Plus. Not terribly expensive
>and they seem to work well. I could probably get along with one easily
>if I weren't flying
>an electrically dependant Subaru. Lots of sizes to choose from there.
>
>Larry McFarland
>do not archive
>
>DICK WILBERS wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS"
><RWILBERS@TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
> >
> >Dear Zenith List:
> >
> >Has anyone used a tractor or motorcycle battery in their 601? The cost of
>aircraft batteries is rather high and since I don't plan to do any
>aerobatics, I was wondering about using a tractor or motorcycle battery.
> >Your comments would be appreciated.
> >
> >Dick Wilbers........601 HDS (finished waiting for inspection)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery selection for 601's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
I use a 36 Amp Hr. sealed Lawn Tractor battery. $24.95 at auto store.
Weighs 24 Lbs. My Rotax 912 runs with the battery disconnected. I saw no
need for a backup. I plan on replacing it annually. Moving the 1 year old
to my lawn tractor.
Leo Gates
N601Z, CH601HDS, taildragger, 22.5 hrs. now
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From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Battery selection for 601's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS" <RWILBERS@TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
Dear Zenith List:
Has anyone used a tractor or motorcycle battery in their 601?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
It immediately swells up and destroys the seals in the master
cylinders....This going from Bruce Bockius' website when he did the same
thing....And my memory..:)
Frank
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant
Corriveau
Subject: Zenith-List: Brake fluid
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> ...Whatever you do DO NOT PUT automotive brake fluid in your
> cylinders.
Frank,
What's the problem with automotive brake fluid?
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Battery selection for 601's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
And I copied Bruce's system so we got about 800 hours of positive
experince with this setup...:)
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Bockius
Subject: RE: [aviation] RE: Zenith-List: Battery selection for 601's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Bockius"
--> <bruce@whiteantelopesoftware.com>
I've used an 18AH sealed lead-acid battery
(http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=SLA-12V18) $29.95, 14 lbs for
the last six years (well, I replace it with a new one every two years).
For the record I also have a 3AH sealed lead-acid battery as a backup
for the electronic ignition on my Subaru engine.
-Bruce/601HD/TDO/445 hrs
**********************
Bruce Bockius
bruceb@WhiteAntelopeSoftware.com
Black Forest, CO, USA
http://www.WhiteAntelopeSoftware.com/zodiac
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Stout
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:55 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [aviation] RE: Zenith-List: Battery selection for 601's
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout"
> <n282rs@earthlink.net>
>
> Dick
>
> I have an Odyssey PC625 in mine. Cost about $70.
> http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC625 I know of others
> using the same battery. It's sealed, so you don't have to worry about
> it corroding the aluminum, or a battery box, and it can lay on it's
> side.
>
> Randy Stout
> n282rs"at"earthlink.net
> www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: DICK WILBERS <RWILBERS@tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 4/20/2005 3:43:06 PM
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Battery selection for 601's
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DICK WILBERS"
> <RWILBERS@TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
> >
> > Dear Zenith List:
> >
> > Has anyone used a tractor or motorcycle battery in their
> 601? The cost
> > of
> aircraft batteries is rather high and since I don't plan to do any
> aerobatics, I was wondering about using a tractor or motorcycle
> battery.
> > Your comments would be appreciated.
> >
> > Dick Wilbers........601 HDS (finished waiting for inspection)
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Twist |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
A little twist is OK. The elevator trim tab is on one side and when
deflected it effectively puts a twist in the elevator anyway, at least on my
701.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair Newsletter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Zenith uses the newsletter as a forum for publishing safety bulletins and
design updates. It's the only place they regularly publish this sort of
data. The newsletter also publishes construction tips by Zenith and others.
I've found it worth the subscription price. I don't know how useful the back
issues would be, the safety information in earlier issues should be
incorporated into the latest plans. The construction tips might be worth the
price of the back issues though.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy <beachyjeff@juno.com>
>
> I am just starting on my CH 701 kit. How helpful are the Zenair
> Newsletters? Are the CH701 back issues worth the $95.00? Am I missing out
> on vital information by only using my plans, construction CD and this
> list?
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair Newsletter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Jeff,
I found that the back copies did not help in building, as past problem areas
were addressed by the current plans.
The news letter, as the source of info from the design authority is our best
way to keep up on ZAC advice.
Jerry, Lake Saint Louis
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | RE: CH 640 FOR SALE |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
Scott,
Is the plane completed? Why are you selling?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Is Dextron or Mercon a better fluid? I used the
aircraft stuff, but I was wondering if these would be
fine.
Michel
--- "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > It immediately
swells up and destroys the seals in
> the master
> cylinders....This going from Bruce Bockius' website
> when he did the same
> thing....And my memory..:)
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I dunno it depends on the chemical agressiveness towards the seals.
To be honest there is no point in using a "High performance" brake fluid
as the brakes barely work anyway..It more like they persuade the A/C to
slow down rather than come to screeching halt.
To be honest I would use the right stuff usually available from your
local FBO, then there is no doubt.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Therrien
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Brake fluid
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Is Dextron or Mercon a better fluid? I used the aircraft stuff, but I
was wondering if these would be fine.
Michel
--- "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > It immediately swells up and
destroys the seals in
> the master
> cylinders....This going from Bruce Bockius' website when he did the
> same thing....And my memory..:)
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
I believe that it was Matco that recommended using Dexron III automatic
transmission fluid in their brakes. That is what I put in mine and have
had no problems at all. Stops when I need, and no adverse effects to the
Nylaflow brakelines, or leaks. The only problem I had was a poor weld on
the Matco axle, and it stops even faster without a wheel on the gear!
Mike Sinclair N701TD
Should be back in the air sometime late next week. Complete new right
wing (finishing paint right now), new Grove mainspring narrowed 6" to
better fit the taildragger configuration, new cowl to replace the
destroyed one, new oil cooler, radiator, new updated Matco axles, plus
numerous little tweaks that I was going to get around to during the 4
months that it was flyable. Now if my new prop that was going to be
shipped late last week will show up!!
Do Not Archive
Michel Therrien wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> Is Dextron or Mercon a better fluid? I used the
> aircraft stuff, but I was wondering if these would be
> fine.
>
> Michel
>
> --- "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > It immediately
> swells up and destroys the seals in
> > the master
> > cylinders....This going from Bruce Bockius' website
> > when he did the same
> > thing....And my memory..:)
>
> ----------------------------
> Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Mike you have been busy! That's why we have not heard from you in a while. Please send photos so I can update your area on my website. http://www.cooknwithgas.com/MikeSinclair/MikeSinclair.html
Congratulations on finishing for the second time. Now if we could just get Jon
Croke's 701 back together and flying.......
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (Reserved)
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
Tweaking my Elevator
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Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair
Mike Sinclair N701TD
Should be back in the air sometime late next week.
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| Subject: | BRS (Ballistic Recovery System) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
Has anyone put a BRS system in their 701? I am considering it and I am in
the wing building process. My question is are there any provisions I should
make during fuselage construction that would save time/money over doing it
after the plane is built?
Thanks for any help.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive
(Finally, I remembered!)
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| Subject: | Re: BRS (Ballistic Recovery System) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Tommy:
It's the second time I've mention Mike Sinclair's name today, but he is Da Man
when it comes to the 701. He has a BRS in his airplane that looks like a real
nice installation. If he's busy re-building (like he has been lately) and you
don't hear from him on the forum, look him up on the Zenith Builder's list and
give him a shout. You can see the BRS canister in this photo:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/MikeSinclair/Mike2.jpg
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker"
Has anyone put a BRS system in their 701?
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| Subject: | Re: RE: CH 640 FOR SALE |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott Moser <moscon@citcom.net>
Stephen,
No , the plane is not completed . It is a complte kit.I am selling the kit
because of time and money constraints.
Scott Moser
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta"
<Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: CH 640 FOR SALE
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta
> <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
>
> Scott,
> Is the plane completed? Why are you selling?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BRS (Ballistic Recovery System) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
What happend to his 701 that he is rebuilding? I saw the pictures and it sure
looks like he did an excellent job on his.
Bob Spudis
CH-701 Tail complete, slats and flaperons complete, rt wing 95%, left wing
70%
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