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1. 01:51 AM - CH701 0.025" Sheet Layout (Ralph)
2. 04:40 AM - Opening Pilot Holes (A4 vs A5) (The Keeners)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: Opening Pilot Holes (A4 vs A5) (Ed Kramer)
4. 05:59 AM - Re: CH701 fuel tank questions (Roland Smith)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Opening Pilot Holes (A4 vs A5) (Larry Martin)
6. 06:17 AM - Re: Opening Pilot Holes (A4 vs A5) (Larry McFarland)
7. 06:29 AM - Is ZAC returning emails? (Todd Osborne)
8. 06:41 AM - Re: 701 tanks (Zed Smith)
9. 07:44 AM - Re: Is ZAC returning emails? (Randy)
10. 08:14 AM - Re: hand punch (roy vickski)
11. 09:00 AM - 601 XL Canopy Lock (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
12. 09:30 AM - Re: Is ZAC returning emails? (Brad Cohen)
13. 10:41 AM - Re: 601 XL Canopy Lock (Trevor Page)
14. 11:34 AM - Re: 601 XL Canopy Lock (Brett)
15. 02:01 PM - 801 cargo pod (Keystone Engineering LLC)
16. 08:16 PM - 701 Plans Builders (Cdngoose)
17. 11:31 PM - here's a report on my 601XL engine out sink rate (xl)
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| Subject: | CH701 0.025" Sheet Layout |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ralph" <llewellyn@tinet.ie>
Yes thet is for shure Keith. 2 sheets of .025 are not enough to build a 701
even without the tanks. I cut out paper templates and spent a week
rearranging them before I decided this 2 sheet stipulation was incorrect.
Strange it has not been corrected by Zenair?
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 0.025" Sheet Layout
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES"
<Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
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> Hello all,
> OK you, "CH701 plans/scratch builders", according to the STOL CH701
Materials list from the Zenith web site, they are showing that (2) 4'x12'
sheets of 0.025" are needed. Well, I couldn't get everything to fit. I ended
up with (3) 4'x12' sheets and (1) 4'x'4 sheet. If you don't plan on building
the fuel tanks, then you can fit the components on the 4x4 into the fuel
tank cutout area.
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> Let me know what you guys have come up with.
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> (14" snow today-4/25/05)
> Keith
> CH701 -- a long way to go
> N 38.9947
> W 105.1305
> Alt. 9,100'
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| Subject: | Opening Pilot Holes (A4 vs A5) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Keeners" <kim.forest@surewest.net>
Dear Zenith List:
When opening the holes on the horizontal stab, the A4 rivets fit nice and tight
in their respective holes. However, the A5 (#20 bit) holes leave a little extra
room. In other words, the rivet is slightly loose (before squeezing them!).
Is this normal/acceptable?
Thanks.
Forest K., Rocklin, CA
601XL (N601FK Reserved)
Rudder complete/Horizontal stab drilled+clecod
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| Subject: | Opening Pilot Holes (A4 vs A5) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
When opening the holes on the horizontal stab, the A4 rivets fit nice and
tight in their respective holes. However, the A5 (#20 bit) holes leave a
little extra room. In other words, the rivet is slightly loose (before
squeezing them!).
Is this normal/acceptable?
Thanks.
Forest K., Rocklin, CA
601XL (N601FK Reserved)
Rudder complete/Horizontal stab drilled+clecod
Forest,
Use a number 21 bit.
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 fuel tank questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roland Smith" <docponds@sover.net>
I'm building a CH701 from a kit. Tail parts nearly done. Anticipating
decisions down the road and in reviewing the fuel system I'm wondering if it
cannot be simplified. My experience is with a Taylorcraft BC12D, two wing
tanks without gauges, draining into a header with float and stem "gauge".
I loved it for both it's simplicity and accuracy. The "tube gauge" as in
the ZAC demonstrator would be used instead of the header float and stem.
1. Opinions/experience with this system in the CH701 ?
2. Do you think it would be signed off by the FAA if the wing tank
gauges are eliminated?
Thoroughly enjoyed the S 'n F BBQ and many thanks to all who made it
possible.
Roland
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| Subject: | Re: Opening Pilot Holes (A4 vs A5) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
yes
Larry, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Opening Pilot Holes (A4 vs A5)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
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> When opening the holes on the horizontal stab, the A4 rivets fit nice and
> tight in their respective holes. However, the A5 (#20 bit) holes leave a
> little extra room. In other words, the rivet is slightly loose (before
> squeezing them!).
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> Is this normal/acceptable?
>
> Thanks.
> Forest K., Rocklin, CA
> 601XL (N601FK Reserved)
> Rudder complete/Horizontal stab drilled+clecod
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> Forest,
> Use a number 21 bit.
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| Subject: | Re: Opening Pilot Holes (A4 vs A5) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Forest,
Rivet holes sometimes have a little "slop", but this is taken up during
the squeeze and
just before the mandrel pulls to final compression on the skins. I'd
not worry about it.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
do not archive
The Keeners wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Keeners" <kim.forest@surewest.net>
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>Dear Zenith List:
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>When opening the holes on the horizontal stab, the A4 rivets fit nice and tight
in their respective holes. However, the A5 (#20 bit) holes leave a little extra
room. In other words, the rivet is slightly loose (before squeezing them!).
>
>Is this normal/acceptable?
>
>Thanks.
>Forest K., Rocklin, CA
>601XL (N601FK Reserved)
>Rudder complete/Horizontal stab drilled+clecod
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| Subject: | Is ZAC returning emails? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
I have sent them 3 emails now requesting a quote on the rest of my 601XL
tail, shipping to me, and a plans update. I have not heard anything
back. One email was over a month ago, one last week, one yesterday. Not
even and acknowledgement that they received it. Are they out of town, on
vacation? Or are they just messing with me? :-)
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Todd Osborne
Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
A lot of builders don't use the header tank for several reasons.
One of the considerations is depth behind the instrument panel....you'll need to
figure that one to suit your needs, but Roger at ZAC has no room, therefore
a piece of cardboard to keep radio and tank from rubbing.
Another is that some just don't want the tank in the cockpit. That seems reasonable.
Also, with the header there is the added "fuel management" problem. The 701 is
intended to be a "simple" aircraft, not a Cat III, complex, folding wheels affair
with onboard galley.
Escapes me at the moment the exact requirement in FAR, surely somebody will supply
the paragraph, but you are required to have some sort of "fuel quantity indicator".
Others will probably offer more detailed info as to how it is being done lately.
My panel seemed too thin, from the kit, so I made one from 0.050", welded along
top and bent on a brake along the bottom. It was during this process that I
did the serious measurements and found that the Icom A200 was going to be really
tight at the rear (forward end of the radio). The simple solution seemed to
be deleting the header tank and using capacitive senders in the wings. Works
for me, but each has his own ideas Three cheers for Orville & Wilbur.
Zed/701/R912/90+%
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| Subject: | Is ZAC returning emails? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
They were at Sun-n-fun. Maybe you should give them a call instead of email . Just
in case there's a problem with your email getting to them.
Randy Stout
n282rs at earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Todd Osborne"<todd@toddtown.com>
>Sent: 4/26/05 8:28:11 AM
>To: "zenith-list@matronics.com"<zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Is ZAC returning emails?
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>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
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>I have sent them 3 emails now requesting a quote on the rest of my 601XL
>tail, shipping to me, and a plans update. I have not heard anything
>back. One email was over a month ago, one last week, one yesterday. Not
>even and acknowledgement that they received it. Are they out of town, on
>vacation? Or are they just messing with me? :-)
>
>--
>Todd Osborne
>Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
>Web Site: www.toddtown.com
>MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
>AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
Kevin,
Try googling "roper whitney xx".
The jr model goes from 3/32 to 9/32
the xx model goes from 5/32 to 17/32 but can hande a
1"+ flange.
They also make larger ones but the prices get real
salty compared to drill bits.
If you are thinking about punching spar caps and webs
at the same time with an XX you'll probably need the
bench mount fixture. And maybe a leverage enhancer
(cheater pipe).
Regards,
Roy, 701 plans ect
do not archive
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| Subject: | 601 XL Canopy Lock |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, I had a major breakdown on the handle for operating the
canopy locks Seems the inside separated sufficiently from the outside just
enough so that it turned 180 and rapped the cables around the drum. I first
thought my swedge end(s) had slid down, but it was only the handles. I put it
back together with stronger Lock-Tight, but I do not feel secure that my
correction is permanent. Anybody out there use a different lock system for the
canopy they are happy with ? Thanks, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Is ZAC returning emails? |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:29:23 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
they just returned an e-mail to me today (Tuesday) confirming a conversation yesterday.
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy<mailto:n282rs@earthlink.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Is ZAC returning emails?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy" <n282rs@earthlink.net<mailto:n282rs@earthlink.net>>
They were at Sun-n-fun. Maybe you should give them a call instead of email .
Just in case there's a problem with your email getting to them.
Randy Stout
n282rs at earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21<http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21>
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Todd Osborne"<todd@toddtown.com<mailto:todd@toddtown.com>>
>Sent: 4/26/05 8:28:11 AM
>To: "zenith-list@matronics.com"<zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"<zenith-list@matronics.com>>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Is ZAC returning emails?
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>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com<mailto:todd@toddtown.com>>
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>I have sent them 3 emails now requesting a quote on the rest of my 601XL
>tail, shipping to me, and a plans update. I have not heard anything
>back. One email was over a month ago, one last week, one yesterday. Not
>even and acknowledgement that they received it. Are they out of town, on
>vacation? Or are they just messing with me? :-)
>
>--
>Todd Osborne
>Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com<mailto:todd@toddtown.com>
>Web Site: www.toddtown.com<http://www.toddtown.com/>
>MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com<mailto:todd@toddtown.com>
>AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com<mailto:toddosborn@aol.com>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Canopy Lock |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Dave Kubassek had the same problem on his XL. He just learned to live
with it but I reckon he was not happy with the arrangement either.
I haven't encountered the problem on mine but I think it has to do
with the rotary actuator and the internal lock stop. On my knob I can
turn it 1/4 turn and it stops dead. I can't force it any further.
Perhaps you should take a look at the bolt holding it in and make
sure it's tight and holding the 1" barrel against the knob body. When
I inspected the knob upon initial disassembly I noticed that unless
the bolt was tight I could turn it freely.
The only problem I have with my lock is the aluminum knob on the
inside. I can't get it to go deep enough into the barrel to insert
the 1/8" lock pin. I had it machined down but I might have to take
the Dremel to the inside of the barrel to give it some more clearance.
Trevor Page
601HD finished. Waiting for better weather for testing.
On Apr 26, 2005, at 11:58 AM, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
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> Dear Thread Friends, I had a major breakdown on the handle for
> operating the
> canopy locks Seems the inside separated sufficiently from the
> outside just
> enough so that it turned 180 and rapped the cables around the
> drum. I first
> thought my swedge end(s) had slid down, but it was only the
> handles. I put it
> back together with stronger Lock-Tight, but I do not feel secure
> that my
> correction is permanent. Anybody out there use a different lock
> system for the
> canopy they are happy with ? Thanks, Bill of Georgia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Canopy Lock |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
I didn't use the cable system. I didn't like it. What I did was use a
small piece of solid rod about the size of a 3/16 bolt. Then I just
welded it to the latch. Cut 2 curved slots in the aluminum and let the
rod stick out about 1/2" inside and out. Then put some rubber caps on
the ends. It works great. You just release the other side as you do a
walk around.
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net>
Gary
To eliminate the need for the cargo pod I put my survival gear behind the rear
seat. Access is a little hassle but if I need the survival gear I normally have
lots of time. There is quite a bit of room for light items. I have sleeping
bags, dried food and blankets back there. I rigged up Adel clamps to hold
the tie down straps. Be sure to add it to your weight and balance. When I'm
empty I like the extra weight there but when I'm full the CG seems to go back
toward the limit fast.
Bill Wilcox
Valdez, Alaska
N801BW
160 hrs
Vacuuming the sand out of the plane
Time: 07:53:49 AM PST US
From: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 801 cargo pod
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
Has anyone had a look at the cargo pod for the 801? Any info on effects
on performance?
tnx,
Gary
Houston, TX
N801GC
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| Subject: | 701 Plans Builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
For all you ch701 plans builders Keith Ashcraft was kind enough to spend
a little time and create a sheet cutting layout. You can find these
layouts on the www.ch701.com website in the builders resources pages.
Thanks Keith
Mark
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | here's a report on my 601XL engine out sink rate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
Today I flight tested the engine out descent rate of N633Z.
I turned the engine off at about 500 feet AGL at about 0.5 miles
from the PWT runway. I knew absolutely that I could make the runway.
It was an interesting experience. I wanted to do it for some time.
I wanted to know how my plane will fly if the engine fails.
Today the wind was ~5 knots at 210 and I was landing on 19.
And the traffic was light. Several other times when I wanted to
do this it was gusty or busy.
I made 4 engine out landings. I could not use a stop watch to
determine the descent rate. I used the VSI.
Findings:
80 mph --> ~700 fpm
60 mph --> ~500 fpm
80 mph slip --> ~1000 fpm
Normal landings:
I fly 80 mph at idle on final approach and see ~500 fpm.
I see ~1000 fpm in an 80 mph slip at idle.
Now I know that if I practice engine out landings with enough
slip to see a 700 fpm descent rate that I can predict what my
plane will do if the engine does fail.
The prop did not windmill. It did take longer to stop turning
than when I turn it off on the ground.
The touchdown attitude was similar to the attitude at idle.
No surprises..............
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
188 hours
wahoooooooooo
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