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1. 12:26 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Cowl misery (Trevor Page)
3. 03:52 AM - towbar? (Grant Corriveau)
4. 05:46 AM - Re: towbar? (ron dewees)
5. 06:10 AM - Re: towbar? (Larry McFarland)
6. 07:19 AM - CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections (Elwood140@aol.com)
7. 07:51 AM - Re: towbar? (TOMGILES@aol.com)
8. 08:03 AM - Re: CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections (Tebenkof@aol.com)
9. 08:21 AM - Re: 701 Conditional Inspection (annual) ()
10. 09:09 AM - Re: 701 cowl (Gary Gower)
11. 09:44 AM - Kit Log Pro (Gordon)
12. 10:01 AM - 601 XL Flaps (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
13. 10:17 AM - Re: CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
14. 10:40 AM - Re: CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections (Elwood140@aol.com)
15. 11:04 AM - Re: towbar? (Jim Pellien)
16. 12:01 PM - Re: 601 XL Flaps (N5SL)
17. 12:35 PM - Re: Kit Log Pro (Phil Maxson)
18. 01:34 PM - Re: CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections (Elwood140@AOL.COM)
19. 03:06 PM - Re: Kit Log Pro (Todd Osborne)
20. 04:02 PM - Re: 601 XL Flaps (Phil Maxson)
21. 05:49 PM - Re: Flat Table (Larry Portouw)
22. 06:20 PM - cowl misery solution (Brett Hanley)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
The cowling on a 601HD for example is supposed to be inside the skins
but I made mine outside (lower cowling on the outside, upper one
under he top skin). Fits better that way on *my* plane but It doesn't
really matter in the end. I've been both ways on 701s.
Trevor Page
601HD Finished. Waiting for better weather for first flight!
On May 1, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Tebenkof@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
> Dear Experts,
>
> Today has been less than perfect. Not only did I strip the gears
> on my
> angle drill (I really should have know better), but we tried to fit
> the 701 cowl.
> As far as we could see it simply does not fit. With the lower
> cowl in
> proper position, and tight against the skin around the firewall,
> the top cowl
> lacks 3/4" of fitting into the "joggle" on the lower cowl, at the
> rear end.
>
> I am not sure if I am making this clear, but I wonder if this
> has been a
> common problem, or previously unheard of. If anyone has
> encountered this
> problem, what solutions have been found?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Greenough,
> 701 without a cowl in Portland OR
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Has anyone come up with a good towbar for the Zodiac 601? I need something
that will work with the nose wheel fairing in place. This means that if I
decide to use the kind of towbar that clamps onto the outer ends of the axel
I will probably have to cut holes in the fairings. Before I commit to that
route, I'm looking at other ideas...
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Great question Grant-- that said has anyone come up with a Tailwheel
towbar for 601 HDS TD?
Ron DeWees
N601TD
Grant Corriveau wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
>Has anyone come up with a good towbar for the Zodiac 601? I need something
>that will work with the nose wheel fairing in place. This means that if I
>decide to use the kind of towbar that clamps onto the outer ends of the axel
>I will probably have to cut holes in the fairings. Before I commit to that
>route, I'm looking at other ideas...
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Grant,
I made a clamp with outrigger bolts after seeing one on Bill Morelli's site
The slotted forked towbar is self explainatory for this and works really
well.
This is also a travel stop for when the bungee breaks.
See attached address for the picture of it.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/travelstop.gif
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Grant Corriveau wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
>Has anyone come up with a good towbar for the Zodiac 601? I need something
>that will work with the nose wheel fairing in place. This means that if I
>decide to use the kind of towbar that clamps onto the outer ends of the axel
>I will probably have to cut holes in the fairings. Before I commit to that
>route, I'm looking at other ideas...
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
Hello all. I am about to close one of the inboard flaperon sections. I am
troubled by the instructions that say to "wait to cut the root until after
the wings are bolted to the fuselage". Will someone who has already been
through this please give me some guidance? In my mind, it will be difficult to
cut the spar, etc, after the skin is riveted. Am I missing something?
Larry Wood
N701LW maybe this year
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: TOMGILES@aol.com
On my tri-gear 601HDS I use about a 5' cord looped through the rear tie
down. I push gently on the elevator to get started then move the tail by hand
to
steer. Pull on the cord to stop. Requires very little effort or strain on
the airplane. Put the cord in your back pocket.
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Larry,
I fitted the flaperons to the fuselage just a few weeks ago, and was worried
about the same thing. It turned out to be pretty easy to trim the spar with
a dremel and little cutoff wheel.
Jim Greenough
701 in PDX
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Conditional Inspection (annual) |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:20:02 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
Mike, I would only inspect those items likely to be in the air during flight.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Sinclair<mailto:mike.sinclair@att.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Conditional Inspection (annual)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net<mailto:mike.sinclair@att.net>>
Need some expertise from operators of flying 701's. I talked to the FAA guy
from the local FSDO and he told me that because I only did a major repair
rather than a major change that I should do a Conditional Inspection and make
the appropriate entries in the aircraft log before I put my plane back in the
air. I received my repairmans certificate as part of my certification last
June when my plane got it's airworthiness certificate. But have never been
through an annual inspection before. My question is, what should be the
process for the inspection? What needs to be checked on engine, avionics,
airframe, etc.? And what would be the appropriate entries in the aircraft and
engine logs? I read through part 91.14 of the FAR's but that is more general
and left me somewhat confused as to procedure? Are there other portions of the
FAR's that are appropriate? Any guidance would be appreciated, and maybe I
will know then what questions I need to ask next. I would ask my tech
counselor, but he is out of the country for a few days (trying to work a real
job just when you need him).
Mike Sinclair N701TD
Almost finished with the rebuild. Finishing the last control connections,
adding cotter pins & safety wires, add coolant & oil, and a light once over on
the cowl with rubbing compound before I put the new Betty Boop decals on. I
Plan on installing the cowl tomorrow and do weight and balance. Then weather
cooperating I will be able to pull it out to do engine run ups and final tweak
of prop pitch. Back in the air real soon!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
It does fits inside, you just need to do a try and fit process to get some excess
of fiberglass so the cowl fit correctly. be sure to have both radiators (water
and oil) correctly in place.
In some cases, like in our plane, we needed to fit the oil radiator lower, and
cut some material from the lower front cowling to get inough cool air for the
oil radiator.
Be carefull, dont trim to much material from the cowling or you will have to repair
it... Just a little bit every try.
Hope this helps
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
George Swinford <grs-pms@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford"
The 601HD cowl fits inside the skins. It might be worth a look at the 701 plans
to see if it does.
George
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
I agree, I downloaded the free trial version and found it cumbersome. I set up
my log using Word --works very well and is easy to incorporate appropriate photos
and notes.
Gordon
701
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, Anyone out there designed and built a manual XL flap
activator? Something like in a PA-28 Warrior with a handle. Something to save
all the weight of electric motor with steel bracket and bracing, worm gear,
switches, gage and wire, etc. I would pay for a workable design that could be
retro fit on completed XL's. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" <piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com>
Larry...
We held off riveting the inboard flaperon sections until after the wings
were in place. Then we bolted the skeletons to the hinge brackets and
measured for a good fit. You need to move the flaperon skeleton through its
arc of travel to measure the proper clearance.
Tony Pierce
----- Original Message -----
From: <Elwood140@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
>
> Hello all. I am about to close one of the inboard flaperon sections. I
> am
> troubled by the instructions that say to "wait to cut the root until
> after
> the wings are bolted to the fuselage". Will someone who has already been
> through this please give me some guidance? In my mind, it will be
> difficult to
> cut the spar, etc, after the skin is riveted. Am I missing something?
>
> Larry Wood
> N701LW maybe this year
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
Thanks, Jim. I needed for someone to give me a nudge!
Larry Wood
Do Not Archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Tom,
Does this method work on grass or other uneven surfaces?
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic SportsPlanes.com (MASPL)
703-313-4818
www.Pellien.com/MASPL.htm
www.sportsplanes.com
----- Original Message -----
From: TOMGILES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: towbar?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TOMGILES@aol.com
On my tri-gear 601HDS I use about a 5' cord looped through the rear tie
down. I push gently on the elevator to get started then move the tail by hand
to
steer. Pull on the cord to stop. Requires very little effort or strain on
the airplane. Put the cord in your back pocket.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Flaps |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Bill:
I pondered this idea for months and concluded there is no elegant way to do this
and that's why ZAC uses an electric actuator. I set out to design gears and
chains and sprockets and all sorts of mechanical wizardry to avoid drilling holes
in my center spar.
I ended up with a cost effective electric actuator that has internal limit switches
(stops at full travel in both directions) and uses up the entire travel of
the actuator. Everything else is per the ZAC drawings and it works well on
the ground (not flying yet).
I didn't find anybody with a manual design for the XL so you are probably on your
own here. Let me know if you find a good idea cause I'd like to see it.
If you want to know more about what I did, please email me off-list.
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (Reserved)
www.cooknwithgas.com
Installing Drywall (in my basement, not the airplane)
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JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, Anyone out there designed and built a manual XL flap
activator?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
I agree. I won a free copy at an EAA Chapter meeting and I find it a tool
looking for a problem. I haven't set up a web site for my project, and if I
were to do so, I wouldn't use Kit Log Pro 2.0.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
>From: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Kit Log Pro
>
>I agree, I downloaded the free trial version and found it cumbersome. I set
>up my log using Word --works very well and is easy to incorporate
>appropriate photos and notes.
>
>Gordon
>701
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Inboard Flaperon Sections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
In a message dated 5/2/2005 3:05:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com writes:
We held off riveting the inboard flaperon sections until after the wings
Thanks, Tony.
Larry Wood
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
I have been a professional programmer for about 15 years, including a
few aviation apps along the way. This is one app I am considering coding
myself, but it would be a freebie. If anyone out there has ideas for
what would make a great program for tracking the building of a kit
plane, let me know offline (todd@toddtown.com). My thinking right now is
more or less a diary type logbook, with dates, description of work,
hours worked, cost of products used, pictures, etc. And yes, publishing
to the web would be part of it, complete with public and private data.
Private notes would not get published. It would be template driven, so
the output would be as basic or fancy as you want. Any idea's are
appreciated. I will probably start coding this later this year, if all
my "free" time :-)
Todd
Phil Maxson wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
>
> I agree. I won a free copy at an EAA Chapter meeting and I find it a tool
> looking for a problem. I haven't set up a web site for my project, and if I
> were to do so, I wouldn't use Kit Log Pro 2.0.
>
> Phil Maxson
> 601XL/Corvair
>
>
>>From: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Kit Log Pro
>>
>>I agree, I downloaded the free trial version and found it cumbersome. I set
>>up my log using Word --works very well and is easy to incorporate
>>appropriate photos and notes.
>>
>>Gordon
>>701
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Todd Osborne
Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
You might try contacting Zenith. The earliest prototype of the XL had
manual flaps, and I don't know what happened to them on the later model.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
>From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Flaps
>Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:01:09 EDT
>
>Dear Thread Friends, Anyone out there designed and built a manual XL flap
>activator? Something like in a PA-28 Warrior with a handle. Something to
>save
>all the weight of electric motor with steel bracket and bracing, worm gear,
>switches, gage and wire, etc. I would pay for a workable design that could
>be
>retro fit on completed XL's. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Portouw" <Larry@portouw.com>
Jeff,
I'm a little behind on reading the list, and just saw your post below. I
don't know how flat good is, but I got my horiz. stab table flat enough to
slide the 2x2 steel beam from the rudder around on it and I can't get a
piece of paper to slide under it anywhere. Used 2x4s, 3/4 MDF and the steel
assembly brackets found in most home supply stores like home depot. The
tough part was finding flat surface to assemble it on (transfer the
"flatness" to the table). The solution was sitting in the driveway: the
bed of my pickup truck. Laid out the table top and the 2x4s on the bed of
the pickup. Worked great. The house I live in was built in 1888-- nothing
flat for miles around here except for the bed of the truck.
Larry Portouw
601XL
Atlanta, GA
Time: 06:17:23 AM PST US
Subject: Flat Table
From: Jeffrey A Beachy <beachyjeff@juno.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy
<beachyjeff@juno.com>
How flat is flat on a workbench? I have worked for a week getting my
table closer and closer to flat with no twist. The edges sag perhaps
1/32". How flat are your workbenches?
Jeff Beachy
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| Subject: | cowl misery solution |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
Just last week I made a mold and new cowl for my 701.
I was fortunate enough to have a Chech Republic
factory built 701 cowl to pop a mold off of. If you
are mounting the cowl mount the top first. The
factory built unit is mounted with the cowl outside
the cabin skin. Once the top is positioned correctly
simply pull the lower section up to match. It sounds
to me like you simply have the lower part mounted too
low.
Brett
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Dear Experts,
Today has been less than perfect. Not only did I
strip the gears on
my
angle drill (I really should have know better), but we
tried to fit the
701 cowl.
As far as we could see it simply does not fit. With
the lower cowl
in
proper position, and tight against the skin around the
firewall, the
top cowl
lacks 3/4" of fitting into the "joggle" on the lower
cowl, at the rear
end.
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