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1. 05:56 AM - Re: Another 601 Takes Off (ron dewees)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator (Larry Martin)
3. 07:08 AM - Re: Another 601 Takes Off (Larry McFarland)
4. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator (NYTerminat@aol.com)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator (NYTerminat@aol.com)
6. 09:09 AM - Re: Another 601 Takes Off (n801bh@netzero.com)
7. 09:30 AM - Re: Another 601 Takes Off (jnbolding1)
8. 11:29 AM - Re: Another 601 Takes Off (Al Young)
9. 12:03 PM - Re: N601Z Flight Report (B Johnson)
10. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator (Hal Rozema)
11. 05:57 PM - Re: 601 XL Spar inserts/Spar jig assembly (TomLazear@netscape.net)
12. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator (Larry Martin)
13. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator (Larry Martin)
14. 09:47 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator (Craig Payne)
15. 10:57 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator (NYTerminat@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Another 601 Takes Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Congratulations John,
So glad to hear that you are using up some of the air above the field
and one less RV got built : )
Know you are pleased. The fun just keeps on coming now. What you have
to guard agains now is the dreaded "builder's withdrawal". You will
have to start on the list of things you put off at home for the last 2
years unless you start building another plane right away.
Good luck on the PPL.
Ron
N601TD 68 hours
john H wrote:
>Hi List
>
>Just wanted to let you know N4036A had its maiden flight yesterday. I didn't
>fly and was nervous as could be. Test pilot is 77years old and cool as a
>cucumber. He never even broke a sweat. He said the plane flew great. Was up
>for 30 min. Preliminary figures show: 100mph @5000 rpms 4500' MSL plane
>started to nibble at a stall at about 48 to 50mph in mild turbulence All
>temps within limits. With power pulled back plane drops 1000' per min.
>Landing approach was a little wobbly (winds had picked up) but touchdown was
>smooth. After 2 years work it was a spectacular sight to behold. I'm still
>grinnin and havent even been up yet. Have to finish up my PPL and then I'm a
>free bird. Thanks to all for your advice and ideas and for those still
>building its all worth it. I still have to fine tune the idle which is still
>a little rough.
>
>Happy Trails
>601HD 912UL 30 min. and 1 landing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I deduced it. .I doubt it takes or anyone could exert 25 lbs of force with
their left arm extended to put flaps in using ZACs configuration. No I
haven't tried it in the air. My project is on hold, except some wiring,
until I do my engine swap. Then I have to build a new cowling and some
paint. I may be a couple of months off.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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From: <NYTerminat@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
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> In a message dated 5/9/2005 10:22:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lrm@isp.com
> writes:
> www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
> Larry how did you know how many pound force to use? Also have you got your
> plane in the air to try the flaps in the air?
>
> Bob Spudis
> CH-701 starting fuselage, wings and tail complete
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another 601 Takes Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Congratulations John,
It's got to be a real blast seeing your plane take flight the first
time. You're going to love it.
Do fly safe,
Larry McFarland - 601hds
john H wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
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>Hi List
>
>Just wanted to let you know N4036A had its maiden flight yesterday.
>Happy Trails
>601HD 912UL 30 min. and 1 landing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
HAL
Which one did you end up going with?
Bob Spudis
CH-701
Starting Fusealge
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Larry
Thanks for your reply, what engine are you going with? What changed your ming
to the Subaru? I just ordered a 912S for mine.
Bob Spudis
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| Subject: | Re: Another 601 Takes Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Hi List
Just wanted to let you know N4036A had its maiden flight yesterday. I didn't
fly and was nervous as could be. Test pilot is 77years old and cool as a
cucumber. He never even broke a sweat. He said the plane flew great. Was up
for 30 min. Preliminary figures show: 100mph @5000 rpms 4500' MSL plane
started to nibble at a stall at about 48 to 50mph in mild turbulence All
temps within limits. With power pulled back plane drops 1000' per min.
Landing approach
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Congrats to you,,,, It will take weeks to get that grin off your face too. Don't
ask me how I know.. <g>
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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| Subject: | Re: Another 601 Takes Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>So glad to hear that you are using up some of the air above the field
>and one less RV got built : )
For a LONG time if you showed up in an RV3 (thats all there was ) you were king
of the hill, mine was completed in 1979, second RV in Texas, now they are as
common as dirt,was mowing the yard 3 days ago and looked up and there were 5 of
them in formation flying over.
Enjoy the uniqueness of the 601/701 while you can as it won't last.
>Know you are pleased. The fun just keeps on coming now. What you have
>to guard agains now is the dreaded "builder's withdrawal". You will
>have to start on the list of things you put off at home for the last 2
>years unless you start building another plane right away.
ABSOLUTLY, I have sucessfully postponed ANY maintenance on my house for almost
20 yrs. due to a never ending string of homebuilt airplanes and restorations,
my kids can either fix the broken stuff or sell it like it is!
LOW&SLOW John Bolding
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| Subject: | Re: Another 601 Takes Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
John- Congrats!! I know how you feel. I will take my XL up for the first
time tonite if the weather permits. Hope you have many hours of great
flying. Congrats again!!
Al Young
N601-AY
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| Subject: | N601Z Flight Report |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" <bjohnson@satx.rr.com>
Congrats Leo!
You got those hours flown off fast, goes to your credit and the Zodiac's
"fun" factor.
I missed you at the Zuehl swim-in; I mean fly-in......
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leo Gates
Subject: Zenith-List: N601Z Flight Report
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
Hi List,
N601Z, CH601HDS, Tail Dragger, Rotax 912, Magnum Ivoprop.
43 happy hours now! The umbilical cord has now been cut!
First I must admit to a major error on my part. I previously reported 130
MPH cruise. I'll blame it on first flight euphoria, but I made a real DUMB
math calculation. True max. cruise is 120 MPH. Here are some results, after
repeated flights: Alt. 3,000' MSL. Figures are: (Manifold pressure in " of
Hg)(RPM - engine)(TAS - MPH)(Fuel consumption - US Gal. per Hr.).
1. (30" - full throttle)(5,500 RPM)(120 MPH)(5 GPH)
2. (27")(5,000 RPM)(99 MPH)(3.9 GPH)
3. (26.5")(4,800 RPM)(89 MPH)(3.6 GPH)
4. (26.0")(4,300 RPM)(85 MPH)(2.7 GPH)
Stall speed 51 MPH ;-)
I shot three landings with an 80 degree cross wind, 18 K gusting to 28 K
(ASOS report from a field 15 miles away). No problem - she is solid.
Test flew her to 1325 Lbs. I wouldn't intentionally load her any higher
than 1250 Lbs. She has a VERY narrow pitch envelope at 1325 Lbs.
I installed Ivoprop's electronic prop governor - what a hoot! More than
well worth the $300. My thanks to Mr. Ivo.
I installed Zenith's landing/taxi light kit in the left leading edge -
outboard of the wing leading edge fuel tank. Zenith recommended standard AC
GE lamps. These are about $25 each and only rated for 25 hours of life. I
bought a pair of off road halogen lights from JC Whitney, $15 for the pair.
They came with 55 watt bulbs - I replaced the bulbs. I bought coated bulbs,
the kind that penetrate fog and haze. The taxi light is still 55 watts but
I put in a 110 watt bulb for the landing light. Oh yes, I discarded the
plastic housings and mounting hardware. I shot 5 landings last night. ASOS
reported 4 miles visibility with haze. The lights mounted way out on the
wing caused no glare. I could tell they were on, in the air, because I
could see the beams penetrating the haze. Landings were easy, our 3,000'
grass strip was well lit up from about 3/4 mile out and on landing.
BTW while flight testing I wondered what would happen if I lost my electric
fuel pumps. I have leading edge fuel tanks only. A fuel pump mounted in
each wing, inboard of the tank and gravity fed from the tank. I have a
third electric pump mounted under the front part of the pilot seat - just
aft of the spar. This pump (boost) is connected to the outlet of the fuel
selector valve (Andair, left, right, both and off). The boost pump output is
connected between the engine driven pump and the carbs. Back to flight
testing. At 1,000 over the field, I put the fuel selector on the right tank
and turned off the right fuel pump - left and boost were not on either. I
started a normal climb, with repeated S turns, to 6,000 feet. The fuel
pressure remained steady and the engine was smooth and happy. I repeated
this with the fuel selector on the left tank. Same result. Why not? I was
running on auto gas and OAT was 80 degrees at 1K and 55 degrees at 6K. Oil
and coolant temps 190 warming to 220. I have no fire sleeve etc. on rubber
fuel lines. Possible that vapor lock could occur this summer with 100
degree Texas temps?
I'll try this again on a hotter day.
Leo Gates
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Hi bob:
It looks like the same as SkyShops. I'm not using an indicator with
it... The "eyes" have it.
Actuator from McMaster-Carr:
Line Quantity Part Number Description Unit Price
Total Price Ships
1 1
Each 6509K82
<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6509K82&pagenum=906>
Compact Push/Pull DC Actuator 12VDC Motor W/Limit Switches, 25 lb Force,
4" Stroke
$184.29 $184.29 today
Shipped same day from stock.
Bought two miniature toggle switches from Radio Aero-Shack to go on
each stick grip sgl pole dbl pole dead center.
Don't need to take hands off throttle or controller.
Hal
ThePlaneFolks.Net
VSTOL 701/3300
N701PF
NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
>HAL
>
>Which one did you end up going with?
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>CH-701
>Starting Fusealge
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Spar inserts/Spar jig assembly |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: TomLazear@netscape.net
Hello Al
What do you want for the inserts & jig assembly?
I live in Athens Ohio 9375 Harner Road 45701
I don't know why the email didn't work mabey I missed typed it.
My work email is jtlazear@duke-energy.com
Home email is jtlazear@yahoo.com
Phone 740-591-0765
Tom Lazear
"Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
>
>Tom- I tried to contact you off list but mail wasn't delivered. So- I do
>have a set of XL spar inserts/ jig assembly I'll sell. Where do you live?
>Regards, Al Young- Ready for first flight. Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Nothing wrong with the Subaru. I am going to be "beta testing" a brand new
engine that is not on the market yet. The manufacturer prefers I not
discuss particulars for a while. I have no doubt the Sub would work quite
well, but I couldn't pass this up. When the time comes, you will have a
hard time shutting me up. I really like being on the leading edge and
thinking "out of the box".
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: <NYTerminat@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>
> Larry
>
> Thanks for your reply, what engine are you going with? What changed your
ming
> to the Subaru? I just ordered a 912S for mine.
>
> Bob Spudis
>
> Do not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
You can get a good indicator and sensor from Ray Allen.
I almost put my switches on the stick but reconsidered when I saw how fast
the actuator is. I would not want to accidentally bump it then have to go
to another switch to reverse it. I used a momentary rocker, also from Ray
Allen on the dash. I want a deliberate action when I employ the flaps.
Just my thoughts, for whatever they are worth.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal Rozema" <hartist1@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>
> Hi bob:
>
> It looks like the same as SkyShops. I'm not using an indicator with
> it... The "eyes" have it.
>
> Actuator from McMaster-Carr:
> Line Quantity Part Number Description Unit
Price Total Price Ships
> 1 1
> Each 6509K82
> <http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6509K82&pagenum=906>
> Compact Push/Pull DC Actuator 12VDC Motor W/Limit Switches, 25 lb Force,
> 4" Stroke
> $184.29 $184.29 today
>
> Shipped same day from stock.
>
> Bought two miniature toggle switches from Radio Aero-Shack to go on
> each stick grip sgl pole dbl pole dead center.
>
> Don't need to take hands off throttle or controller.
>
> Hal
> ThePlaneFolks.Net
> VSTOL 701/3300
> N701PF
>
>
> NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
> >
> >HAL
> >
> >Which one did you end up going with?
> >
> >Bob Spudis
> >
> >CH-701
> >Starting Fusealge
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
The Ray Allen switch also shorts the motor leads together when not
applying power. This acts as a brake and keeps the motor from coasting
as much.
-- Craig
Larry Martin wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> You can get a good indicator and sensor from Ray Allen.
> I almost put my switches on the stick but reconsidered when I saw how fast
> the actuator is. I would not want to accidentally bump it then have to go
> to another switch to reverse it. I used a momentary rocker, also from Ray
> Allen on the dash. I want a deliberate action when I employ the flaps.
> Just my thoughts, for whatever they are worth.
> Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hal Rozema" <hartist1@cox.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>>
>>Hi bob:
>>
>>It looks like the same as SkyShops. I'm not using an indicator with
>>it... The "eyes" have it.
>>
>>Actuator from McMaster-Carr:
>>Line Quantity Part Number Description Unit
>
> Price Total Price Ships
>
>>1 1
>>Each 6509K82
>><http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6509K82&pagenum=906>
>>Compact Push/Pull DC Actuator 12VDC Motor W/Limit Switches, 25 lb Force,
>>4" Stroke
>> $184.29 $184.29 today
>>
>>Shipped same day from stock.
>>
>>Bought two miniature toggle switches from Radio Aero-Shack to go on
>>each stick grip sgl pole dbl pole dead center.
>>
>>Don't need to take hands off throttle or controller.
>>
>>Hal
>>ThePlaneFolks.Net
>>VSTOL 701/3300
>>N701PF
>>
>>
>>NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
>>>
>>>HAL
>>>
>>>Which one did you end up going with?
>>>
>>>Bob Spudis
>>>
>>>CH-701
>>>Starting Fusealge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
In a message dated 5/10/2005 6:51:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hartist1@cox.net writes:
http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp
Thanks Hal
I was hoping for something that was slower and possibly with more force. Let
me know how it works out for you. I will be a few weeks before I get to that
point.
Bob Spudis
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