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1. 05:16 AM - Re: First Flight (DAVID COTTON)
2. 06:19 AM - 601XL Static Port Location (Gig Giacona)
3. 03:41 PM - New Regulation or licence to fly experimental (Larry McFarland)
4. 04:08 PM - Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
5. 04:28 PM - Re: First Flight (Trevor Page)
6. 04:41 PM - Skyshop/ Electric Flap Actuator (Skyshop)
7. 05:09 PM - Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental (cgalley)
8. 05:32 PM - Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental (David Alberti)
9. 05:59 PM - Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental (Larry McFarland)
10. 06:33 PM - Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental (Jeffrey Glasserow)
11. 07:03 PM - Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental (cgalley)
12. 07:27 PM - Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental (cgalley)
13. 08:29 PM - Re: Skyshop/ Electric Flap Actuator (NYTerminat@aol.com)
14. 09:57 PM - Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental (Bryan Martin)
15. 10:31 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest:15 Msgs - 05/11/05 (Matt Keyes)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DAVID COTTON" <drcotton10@hotmail.com>
GREAT JOB AL!!!!
Linda and I are so proud and happy for you.
Keep us informed.
David
>From: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
>Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:49:56 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
>
>Last night, N-601AY (601XL) made a succesful first flight. What a thrill!
>I hope all you guys that are still building will keep it up. It's worth
>every minute of the building process.
>Al Young
>601XL- Flying!!
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL Static Port Location |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Since the topic of static point location for the 701 came up I'd like to
find out if anyone has located a good point for the port on the 601
fuselage?
I ran the pitot & static lines for the Zenith system in the wing but have
since decided to use the Dynon EFIS and need the two lines in the wing for
the Pitot and AOA system.
Gig Giacona
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
P.S. I'm moving construction this weekend from my house to my newly built
hanger at the airport so I can get back to work on the plane.
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| Subject: | New Regulation or licence to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi Guys,
On the Aeroelectric list the new regulation accessed below
will require a new form, examination and compliance sheet to
be able to fly with passengers for sport pilot licences and higher.
T'would seem there'll be a backlog of work for instructors for a while
if this isn't misread. It seems very clear, for a Government document.
<<http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc>>
Any thoughts?
Larry McFarland - 601HDS with passengers
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| Subject: | New Regulation or licence to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
The thing that jumped out t me was that if I sold my experimental
registered 601HDS to a Sport pilot, the Sport pilot would have to get
the OP lims re-issued on the aircraft.
I wonder if there are any hurdles to doing this?
Looking to sell my HDS this Summer I think
Frank
601HDS with px...but only one at a time...:)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi Guys,
On the Aeroelectric list the new regulation accessed below will require
a new form, examination and compliance sheet to be able to fly with
passengers for sport pilot licences and higher.
T'would seem there'll be a backlog of work for instructors for a while
if this isn't misread. It seems very clear, for a Government document.
<<http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc>>
Any thoughts?
Larry McFarland - 601HDS with passengers
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Congrats Al!!!
I'm looking forward to mine any day now. Keep your eyes posted for
another bird leaving the nest, perhaps as soon as this weekend!
Trevor Page
601HD Ready for first flight.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On May 11, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Al Young wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
>
> Last night, N-601AY (601XL) made a succesful first flight. What a
> thrill! I hope all you guys that are still building will keep it
> up. It's worth every minute of the building process.
> Al Young
> 601XL- Flying!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Skyshop/ Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Skyshop <danny@skyshops.org>
I have been reading with interest the lists discussion on flap
actuators. I feel a bit responsible since I originally came up with this
modification (or at least I think I did...). Some of you have been
recommending using all kinds of actuators with many different
specifications. I know we are building experimental aircraft but we must
try to make our installations as safe as possible. This is a critical
part and should be engineered properly to work well. I realize our flap
kit is priced higher than just the standard actuator from MSC or some
other industrial supply house. Our system was engineered by Czech
Aircraft Works engineers to be a safe system with reliability and safety
factors built in. For those of you on a budget that would like to
purchase just the actuator alone we will have these in stock soon and
will post pricing on our web site. Keep the aircraft safe.
Happy flying.
Danny www.skyshops.org
Hal Rozema wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>
>Hi bob:
>
>It looks like the same as SkyShops. I'm not using an indicator with
>it... The "eyes" have it.
>
>Actuator from McMaster-Carr:
>Line Quantity Part Number Description Unit Price
Total Price Ships
>1 1
>Each 6509K82
><http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6509K82&pagenum=906>
>Compact Push/Pull DC Actuator 12VDC Motor W/Limit Switches, 25 lb Force,
>4" Stroke
> $184.29 $184.29 today
>
>Shipped same day from stock.
>
>Bought two miniature toggle switches from Radio Aero-Shack to go on
>each stick grip sgl pole dbl pole dead center.
>
>Don't need to take hands off throttle or controller.
>
>Hal
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
No NEW license is required. The regs now say you must have a license for
the type aircraft flown. You are flying a single engine land with the
appropriate license.
It was formulated so that you must have the right ratings to fly such things
as rotorcraft, helicopters, and kites. Many have been flying them without
the ratings and here is a chance to up-date via a log book entry their past
experience in for example a gyrocopter without going thru the entire
learning sequence, check rides, and examinations.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Hi Guys,
> On the Aeroelectric list the new regulation accessed below
> will require a new form, examination and compliance sheet to
> be able to fly with passengers for sport pilot licences and higher.
> T'would seem there'll be a backlog of work for instructors for a while
> if this isn't misread. It seems very clear, for a Government document.
>
> <<http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc>>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS with passengers
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New Regulation or license to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Per the EAA web site if you hold ASEL and fly a experimental ASEL no action
is needed. If you have ASEL and fly experimental ASES then you need the
endorsements. Check the EAA site.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi Guys,
On the Aeroelectric list the new regulation accessed below
will require a new form, examination and compliance sheet to
be able to fly with passengers for sport pilot licences and higher.
T'would seem there'll be a backlog of work for instructors for a while
if this isn't misread. It seems very clear, for a Government document.
<<http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc>>
Any thoughts?
Larry McFarland - 601HDS with passengers
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| Subject: | Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Sorry Cy,
I was confused by 61.63, "that pilot may be issued the appropriate
category and class rating that will be limited to a specific make and
model of experimental aircraft." This sounded like a bit tighter
regulation than I'm used to hearing about.
Larry
Do not archive
cgalley wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>No NEW license is required. The regs now say you must have a license for
>the type aircraft flown. You are flying a single engine land with the
>appropriate license.
>
>It was formulated so that you must have the right ratings to fly such things
>as rotorcraft, helicopters, and kites. Many have been flying them without
>the ratings and here is a chance to up-date via a log book entry their past
>experience in for example a gyrocopter without going thru the entire
>learning sequence, check rides, and examinations.
>
>Cy Galley
>EAA Safety Programs Editor
>Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>To: "zenith-list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
>
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>>
>>Hi Guys,
>>On the Aeroelectric list the new regulation accessed below
>>will require a new form, examination and compliance sheet to
>>be able to fly with passengers for sport pilot licences and higher.
>>T'would seem there'll be a backlog of work for instructors for a while
>>if this isn't misread. It seems very clear, for a Government document.
>>
>><<http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc>>
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>>
>>Larry McFarland - 601HDS with passengers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New Regulation or licence to fly experimental |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on artemis
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Cy, What about the paragraph that says the airworthiness certificate for an
E-LSA will, in all cases, specify the category of aircraft. Does that mean
I've got to get my HDS a new airworthiness certificate and operating
limitations? And what will it say? I was told experimental was experimental
and could not be converted to an E-LSA. I was told by EAA that as long as an
experimental aircraft met the rules for an LSA everything was OK. I got
insurance based on the fact my plane met the rules as written. BTW I've got
my private ticket but choose to fly Sport Pilot. I'm VERY confused!
Jeff Glasserow
CH 601 HDS
N6384E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cgalley
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
No NEW license is required. The regs now say you must have a license for
the type aircraft flown. You are flying a single engine land with the
appropriate license.
It was formulated so that you must have the right ratings to fly such things
as rotorcraft, helicopters, and kites. Many have been flying them without
the ratings and here is a chance to up-date via a log book entry their past
experience in for example a gyrocopter without going thru the entire
learning sequence, check rides, and examinations.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Hi Guys,
> On the Aeroelectric list the new regulation accessed below
> will require a new form, examination and compliance sheet to
> be able to fly with passengers for sport pilot licences and higher.
> T'would seem there'll be a backlog of work for instructors for a while
> if this isn't misread. It seems very clear, for a Government document.
>
> <<http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc>>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS with passengers
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I was too and I wrote and called Joe Norris at EAA...
"Note that this restricted category/class rating will apply only to the make
and model of aircraft in which the pilot has logged the experience, an that
experience must be logged by the pilot between 1 September 2004 and 31
August 2005.
This situation has no effect at all on pilots who already hold the
appropriate category/class rating for the aircraft they are flying (i.e.,
airplane single engine land)."
Hope this helps!
Joe Norris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Sorry Cy,
> I was confused by 61.63, "that pilot may be issued the appropriate
> category and class rating that will be limited to a specific make and
> model of experimental aircraft." This sounded like a bit tighter
> regulation than I'm used to hearing about.
>
> Larry
> Do not archive
>
>
> cgalley wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>>
>>No NEW license is required. The regs now say you must have a license for
>>the type aircraft flown. You are flying a single engine land with the
>>appropriate license.
>>
>>It was formulated so that you must have the right ratings to fly such
>>things
>>as rotorcraft, helicopters, and kites. Many have been flying them without
>>the ratings and here is a chance to up-date via a log book entry their
>>past
>>experience in for example a gyrocopter without going thru the entire
>>learning sequence, check rides, and examinations.
>>
>>Cy Galley
>>EAA Safety Programs Editor
>>Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>>To: "zenith-list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>>>
>>>Hi Guys,
>>>On the Aeroelectric list the new regulation accessed below
>>>will require a new form, examination and compliance sheet to
>>>be able to fly with passengers for sport pilot licences and higher.
>>>T'would seem there'll be a backlog of work for instructors for a while
>>>if this isn't misread. It seems very clear, for a Government document.
>>>
>>><<http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc>>
>>>
>>>Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>Larry McFarland - 601HDS with passengers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I read that also! I am don't understand it as it is contrary to previous
information. I will call tomorrow and find out what is going on. This
entire exercise is part and parcel of the LSA
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
> <jeffglass@starband.net>
>
> Cy, What about the paragraph that says the airworthiness certificate for
> an
> E-LSA will, in all cases, specify the category of aircraft. Does that
> mean
> I've got to get my HDS a new airworthiness certificate and operating
> limitations? And what will it say? I was told experimental was
> experimental
> and could not be converted to an E-LSA. I was told by EAA that as long as
> an
> experimental aircraft met the rules for an LSA everything was OK. I got
> insurance based on the fact my plane met the rules as written. BTW I've
> got
> my private ticket but choose to fly Sport Pilot. I'm VERY confused!
> Jeff Glasserow
> CH 601 HDS
> N6384E
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cgalley
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> No NEW license is required. The regs now say you must have a license for
> the type aircraft flown. You are flying a single engine land with the
> appropriate license.
>
> It was formulated so that you must have the right ratings to fly such
> things
> as rotorcraft, helicopters, and kites. Many have been flying them without
> the ratings and here is a chance to up-date via a log book entry their
> past
> experience in for example a gyrocopter without going thru the entire
> learning sequence, check rides, and examinations.
>
> Cy Galley
> EAA Safety Programs Editor
> Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> To: "zenith-list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>> On the Aeroelectric list the new regulation accessed below
>> will require a new form, examination and compliance sheet to
>> be able to fly with passengers for sport pilot licences and higher.
>> T'would seem there'll be a backlog of work for instructors for a while
>> if this isn't misread. It seems very clear, for a Government document.
>>
>> <<http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Larry McFarland - 601HDS with passengers
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skyshop/ Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Danny,
I am interested in just the actuator. When will you have the prices posted?
Bob Spudis
CH-701 building fuselage
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
As far as E-LSA is concerned, your HDS is not and never will be an E-LSA.
After reading the notice, I don't think you will need to get a new
airworthiness certificate, but you may need to update the operational
limitations to state that the PIC must have a single engine land
certification or endorsement to fly it.
Since you have a private pilot certificate, you are qualified to fly any
aircraft class and category listed on that certificate without a medical
certificate as long as that aircraft also meets the definition of LSA. You
don't need the category and class endorsements that a Sport pilot would
need, your private certificate already gives you those privileges. The way I
understand the sport pilot rule, the only things the holder of a private
pilot certificate can't do while flying a LSA without a medical certificate
is to fly at night, in instrument conditions or VFR on top.
on 5/12/05 9:30 PM, Jeffrey Glasserow at jeffglass@starband.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
> <jeffglass@starband.net>
>
> Cy, What about the paragraph that says the airworthiness certificate for an
> E-LSA will, in all cases, specify the category of aircraft. Does that mean
> I've got to get my HDS a new airworthiness certificate and operating
> limitations? And what will it say? I was told experimental was experimental
> and could not be converted to an E-LSA. I was told by EAA that as long as an
> experimental aircraft met the rules for an LSA everything was OK. I got
> insurance based on the fact my plane met the rules as written. BTW I've got
> my private ticket but choose to fly Sport Pilot. I'm VERY confused!
> Jeff Glasserow
> CH 601 HDS
> N6384E
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest:15 Msgs - 05/11/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
Al,
Congratulations on your first flight! I recently aquired a rudder kit for the
601 to go with that Corvair I purchased from you last fall. Great to hear your
in the air with yours and looking forward to hearing more.
Matt Keyes
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