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1. 06:56 AM - Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental (Ben Baltrusaitis)
2. 07:14 AM - Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
3. 07:14 AM - Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental (cgalley)
4. 07:51 AM - Is this your Airplane? (N5SL)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental (Bryan Martin)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 09:33 AM - Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental (Bryan Martin)
8. 02:47 PM - NSI Subrau 108 Hp (ABGS)
9. 03:22 PM - Re: NSI Subrau 108 Hp (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 04:29 PM - Re: NSI Subrau 108 Hp (Larry McFarland)
11. 04:49 PM - Re: NSI Subrau 108 Hp (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
12. 06:37 PM - upper elevator horn placement (Brad Cohen)
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| Subject: | Re: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Here is a reply from an FAA man:
The Notice 8700.42, is not a FAR rule and is only advisory in nature. The notices
are for information and cannot be used in any enforcement case. Trying to enforce
a Notice is like trying to enforce an Advisory Circular they are for information
only.
Your phase 1 and 2 limitations are what you have to go by. Until part 61 is changed
nothing will happen. However I think all pilots should send a comment to
the FAA or your local congress person stating how you feel about the FAA changing
rules. The squeaky wheel gets greases so to speak.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: cgalley
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I read that also! I am don't understand it as it is contrary to previous
information. I will call tomorrow and find out what is going on. This
entire exercise is part and parcel of the LSA
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
> <jeffglass@starband.net>
>
> Cy, What about the paragraph that says the airworthiness certificate for
> an
> E-LSA will, in all cases, specify the category of aircraft. Does that
> mean
> I've got to get my HDS a new airworthiness certificate and operating
> limitations? And what will it say? I was told experimental was
> experimental
> and could not be converted to an E-LSA. I was told by EAA that as long as
> an
> experimental aircraft met the rules for an LSA everything was OK. I got
> insurance based on the fact my plane met the rules as written. BTW I've
> got
> my private ticket but choose to fly Sport Pilot. I'm VERY confused!
> Jeff Glasserow
> CH 601 HDS
> N6384E
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cgalley
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> No NEW license is required. The regs now say you must have a license for
> the type aircraft flown. You are flying a single engine land with the
> appropriate license.
>
> It was formulated so that you must have the right ratings to fly such
> things
> as rotorcraft, helicopters, and kites. Many have been flying them without
> the ratings and here is a chance to up-date via a log book entry their
> past
> experience in for example a gyrocopter without going thru the entire
> learning sequence, check rides, and examinations.
>
> Cy Galley
> EAA Safety Programs Editor
> Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> To: "zenith-list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>> On the Aeroelectric list the new regulation accessed below
>> will require a new form, examination and compliance sheet to
>> be able to fly with passengers for sport pilot licences and higher.
>> T'would seem there'll be a backlog of work for instructors for a while
>> if this isn't misread. It seems very clear, for a Government document.
>>
>> <<http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Larry McFarland - 601HDS with passengers
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New Regulation or licence to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Ya...I mean can I sell my SP compatible experimental to a Sport Pilot or
not????
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Glasserow
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New Regulation or licence to fly experimental
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
--> <jeffglass@starband.net>
Cy, What about the paragraph that says the airworthiness certificate for
an E-LSA will, in all cases, specify the category of aircraft. Does
that mean I've got to get my HDS a new airworthiness certificate and
operating limitations? And what will it say? I was told experimental
was experimental and could not be converted to an E-LSA. I was told by
EAA that as long as an experimental aircraft met the rules for an LSA
everything was OK. I got insurance based on the fact my plane met the
rules as written. BTW I've got my private ticket but choose to fly Sport
Pilot. I'm VERY confused!
Jeff Glasserow
CH 601 HDS
N6384E
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| Subject: | Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
One other thing you lose when going SLA is you can't be a safety pilot for
your buddy getting some IFR sim time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Regulation or license to fly experimental
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> As far as E-LSA is concerned, your HDS is not and never will be an E-LSA.
> After reading the notice, I don't think you will need to get a new
> airworthiness certificate, but you may need to update the operational
> limitations to state that the PIC must have a single engine land
> certification or endorsement to fly it.
>
> Since you have a private pilot certificate, you are qualified to fly any
> aircraft class and category listed on that certificate without a medical
> certificate as long as that aircraft also meets the definition of LSA. You
> don't need the category and class endorsements that a Sport pilot would
> need, your private certificate already gives you those privileges. The way
> I
> understand the sport pilot rule, the only things the holder of a private
> pilot certificate can't do while flying a LSA without a medical
> certificate
> is to fly at night, in instrument conditions or VFR on top.
>
>
> on 5/12/05 9:30 PM, Jeffrey Glasserow at jeffglass@starband.net wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
>> <jeffglass@starband.net>
>>
>> Cy, What about the paragraph that says the airworthiness certificate for
>> an
>> E-LSA will, in all cases, specify the category of aircraft. Does that
>> mean
>> I've got to get my HDS a new airworthiness certificate and operating
>> limitations? And what will it say? I was told experimental was
>> experimental
>> and could not be converted to an E-LSA. I was told by EAA that as long as
>> an
>> experimental aircraft met the rules for an LSA everything was OK. I got
>> insurance based on the fact my plane met the rules as written. BTW I've
>> got
>> my private ticket but choose to fly Sport Pilot. I'm VERY confused!
>> Jeff Glasserow
>> CH 601 HDS
>> N6384E
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Is this your Airplane? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys:
I have a question for the builder of this XL concerning the control cables. If
the aircraft in the photo below belongs to you can you please contact me off-list?
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/pic05/601-cont-o-200-engine.jpg
Thank you,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
You can sell it to anyone you want. It's up to the pilot to make sure it's
legal for him to fly.
on 5/13/05 10:13 AM, Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) at frank.hinde@hp.com
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Ya...I mean can I sell my SP compatible experimental to a Sport Pilot or
> not????
>
> Frank
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| Subject: | New Regulation or license to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes...but not very useful considering that I have been intending to
market the airplane to Sport Pilots.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Martin
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Regulation or license to fly experimental
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
--> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
You can sell it to anyone you want. It's up to the pilot to make sure
it's legal for him to fly.
on 5/13/05 10:13 AM, Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) at
frank.hinde@hp.com
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Ya...I mean can I sell my SP compatible experimental to a Sport Pilot
> or not????
>
> Frank
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| Subject: | Re: New Regulation or license to fly experimental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
It sounds like all that is needed for a sport pilot to legally fly it is to
update the Op limits to include the statement that proper category and class
ratings are required by the PIC. This will probably be included on all new
op limits issued for experimentals and it shouldn't be a big deal to get
current op limits updated. Call the FAA and ask about it before you get
ready to sell.
on 5/13/05 11:41 AM, Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) at frank.hinde@hp.com
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Yes...but not very useful considering that I have been intending to
> market the airplane to Sport Pilots.
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | NSI Subrau 108 Hp |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ABGS" <abgs@impulse.net.au>
Hi
I am looking at the NSI Subrau 108 Hp engine package for my 601 XL
I am enquiring as to what they like and how they proform
Thanks
Fly Safe
Allan
601 XL
Awaiting Kit delievery
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| Subject: | NSI Subrau 108 Hp |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
If you really like subarus...And yes I have one...Go to Ram performance.
www.ramengines.com
This is the only guy I have ever met who knows how to permanently solve
the valve guide issue suffered by ea 81 converters.
I've had 3 engines almost destroyed and the pucker factor is
unbelievable.
Don't go anywhere else.
Frank
Well known soob conversion finally fixed by Ram Performance....360
hours.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ABGS
Subject: Zenith-List: NSI Subrau 108 Hp
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ABGS" <abgs@impulse.net.au>
Hi
I am looking at the NSI Subrau 108 Hp engine package for my 601 XL I am
enquiring as to what they like and how they proform
Thanks
Fly Safe
Allan
601 XL
Awaiting Kit delievery
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Subrau 108 Hp |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Allan,
Frank's right! Ram Performance would be the better representative for
the Subaru.
I've got a Stratus which I've no problems with thanks to Ram's rework of
the valve guides
for my heads. NSI has an atrocious history of dealing with people
despite the attractive
engineering that they've done on their engine. I'd not want to own an
NSI Subaru and have
any problems that required warranty or recourse from them. Very
difficult doing any business
with them. I'd recommend Rams engines and Ron is an excellent person to
deal with.
If I had do overs I'd still go with my Stratus because I especially like
the redrive and the way it's put together
in spite of the valve guide problem. It's the only water cooled engine
that I can back down into an
economical 3.5 to 4 gallons per hour and still fly 87 octane car gas or
100 LL at 100 mph at the price.
If you want to go fast you need the Jab 3300 or the Corvair.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS with 57.5 hours
@ www.macsmachine.com
ABGS wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ABGS" <abgs@impulse.net.au>
>
>Hi
>I am looking at the NSI Subrau 108 Hp engine package for my 601 XL
>I am enquiring as to what they like and how they proform
>
>Thanks
>
>Fly Safe
>
>Allan
>601 XL
>Awaiting Kit delievery
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | NSI Subrau 108 Hp |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
AND....I have been doing a lot of research on "proper aircraft" and
associated leaning procedures.
I have never been impressed with the carbs that vary your mixture for
you. I can guarantee the Bing carbs on the Stratus do not give a good
even distribution.
I do know Ram were experimenting with a throttle body and I would
imagine one could vary the mixture in flight.
I think with this setup and a THOROUGH knowledge of leaning procedures
one could have a very efficient package indeed.
Frank
HDS 360 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: NSI Subrau 108 Hp
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Allan,
Frank's right! Ram Performance would be the better representative for
the Subaru.
I've got a Stratus which I've no problems with thanks to Ram's rework of
the valve guides for my heads. NSI has an atrocious history of dealing
with people despite the attractive engineering that they've done on
their engine. I'd not want to own an NSI Subaru and have any problems
that required warranty or recourse from them. Very difficult doing any
business with them. I'd recommend Rams engines and Ron is an excellent
person to deal with.
If I had do overs I'd still go with my Stratus because I especially like
the redrive and the way it's put together in spite of the valve guide
problem. It's the only water cooled engine that I can back down into an
economical 3.5 to 4 gallons per hour and still fly 87 octane car gas or
100 LL at 100 mph at the price.
If you want to go fast you need the Jab 3300 or the Corvair.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS with 57.5 hours @ www.macsmachine.com
ABGS wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ABGS" <abgs@impulse.net.au>
>
>Hi
>I am looking at the NSI Subrau 108 Hp engine package for my 601 XL I am
>enquiring as to what they like and how they proform
>
>Thanks
>
>Fly Safe
>
>Allan
>601 XL
>Awaiting Kit delievery
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | upper elevator horn placement |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:35:55 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
I am in the process of placing the upper elevator horn 6t3-4. the instructions
state to align the center of the drilled 3/16" hole with a straight edge along
the leading edge of the elevator. in my plane that places the front edge of the
bottom flange about 4mm beyond the edge of the elevator skin, but it does not
extend past the piano hinge line. did anybody else find this to be the case
in their plane or was the bottom flange of the horn flush with the leading edge
of the elevator skin?
thanks (again)
Brad Cohen
do not archieve
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