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1. 04:28 AM - Re: 601 XL Insurance Blues (Jeffrey Glasserow)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: AOA gauge (ron dewees)
3. 10:03 AM - 601 Position Lights & Longron Splices (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
4. 01:42 PM - Re: Updated drawings on line? & electrical circuits (Gig Giacona)
5. 01:50 PM - Re: 601 XL Insurance Blues (Ben Baltrusaitis)
6. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator (NYTerminat@aol.com)
7. 03:57 PM - Flaps (Richard Vetterli)
8. 04:47 PM - engine baffles: did you make your own? (Agstore)
9. 05:50 PM - Re: Updated drawings on line? & electrical circuits (Bryan Martin)
10. 05:55 PM - Re: Fuel filter surprise (Bryan Martin)
11. 06:44 PM - Re: Flaps (B Johnson)
12. 07:43 PM - Re: Flaps (Cdngoose)
13. 08:24 PM - Re: Flaps (Brett)
14. 09:02 PM - 701 with 85 Continental (Dave and Pam Fisher)
15. 10:47 PM - EIS 6000 Install documentation in PDF? (Lance Gingell)
16. 11:49 PM - Re: Flaps (xl)
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| Subject: | 601 XL Insurance Blues |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on hestia
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Bill, try Aviation Insurance Resources in Fredrick Md. 301-682-6200. I
spoke with Greg Ellesworth. My Ins for my HDS was $1310. Includes $35,000
Hull and the rest standard coverage. Their toll free # is 877-247-7769
Jeff Glasserow
CH 601 HDS
N6384E
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JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Insurance Blues
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, I went through the EAA folks on Friday looking for
insurance for "my never been flown yet" obsession and the least quote I got
was for
$ 2005. per year. Two others were even higher ! Seems about twice too high
to me. Maybe I'm not saying the correct things to the broker. Who has a
policy
out there that is more reasonable than $ 167 per month ? Hope to hear
something soon, Best regards, Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Mark,
I sure will-- The probe is permanently mounted but I haven't made final
installation of the gauge cause I didn't how much I would like it. I'll
send pix when I get finished with install.
Thanks
ROn
N601TD
Cdngoose wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
>Ron since how to make the lift Reserve has come from our website please
>send us the pictures so that we may post them.
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 Position Lights & Longron Splices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dear Thread Friends, two things have come to my attention that may help out.
First, on the position light kit that ZAC sells with the kit. My electric
stuff installer put in a 3 amp circuit breaker. In operation it pops after
5-10 seconds. Did the step down test and it needs a 5 amp breaker. Second, on
the upper longron splices at the rear of the baggage compartment. The plans are
not as clear about which rivets to use on the outside for the side and top
skins. Looks like A-4s, but I was told by a good friend they were A-5s. Called
Roger at ZAC and sure enough all three rows of eight rivets are A-5 size. One
row on the inside and both rows on the outside. I drilled mine out yesterday
and replaced. I am sure anyone would know to do this, but if you drill and
replace these rivets only do a couple at a time so you don't lose hull and frame
integrity. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Updated drawings on line? & electrical circuits |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
First question. The updated drawings are not usually online though they are
occasionally. The update cost $50 from Zenith.
Second question. I've been told to ground it to the airframe. I've done all
of mine as close to the light as possible. On the rudder light I am bringing
the ground into the fuselage and not grounding in the rudder.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: DeanMFord@aol.com
Two questions:
regarding 601XL
The on line builders resource indicates that there have been changes made to
drawing 6-W-1. I was assuming that I could find the updated drawing on
line,
but was not able to locate it. If someone would assure me that the drawings
are there I will continue looking. Surely I am not expected to purchase new
drawings every time they are changes!
Second,
When running electrical circuits such as for the wing tip lights or lights
on
the rudder, is it okay just to run a single conductor to supply the 12 V and
use the airframe as the ground path or is that a bad practice?
Dean M. Ford
601 XL tail complete - working on flaps
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Insurance Blues |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Have any of you had a choice of deductibles on the hull? I was only offered $100
and thought a higher deductible would lower my rate, but was told I had no choice.
Thanks!
Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-- Electric Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
List
I found an actuator from DuffNorton # TMD01-1906-4. www.duffnorton.com
They quoted $179.00 each, 2 week availability. It has an 100 lb capacity, 4
inch stroke, with adjustable limit switches. 300 lb static capacity, 25% duty
cycle, 8.75 inches long center to center of end pin holes. Best part is the 40
inches per minute (66 inches per second). If I'm not mistaken it looks like
the flaperon control lever only moves 32 mm or 1 1/4 ". If my brain is working
correctly that would be 2 seconds for full flaps. You could get away with a 2"
stroke model which would be #TMD01-1906-2.
Any thoughts? Also how does the Ray Allen indicators sense movement to relate
to its flap position indicator?
Bob Spudis
CH-701 Working on fuselage
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
This might be a crazy question, but has anybody built
an XL without flaps? What I mean is, without moveable
flaps. You obviously need the flaps to complete the
wings, but just attach them to hard points and leave
them. I got my medical back, so I don't need the
plane to qualify under the LSA, so landing speed is
not an issue. Less installation hassle, fewer moving
parts. I don't know what got me thinking about this.
Any thoughts?
Rich Vetterli
N56DV (reserved)
Tail complate
Working on WW Corvair
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| Subject: | engine baffles: did you make your own? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Agstore" <jay@agstore.net>
I am back to work on installing my O-360 in my 801 and I am wondering if
you guys made your own engine baffles or bought them from Zenith (or
elsewhere)? My O-360 is used and I did receive a set of used baffles
with it, but they are too short (some cracks and corrosion too) and
therefore unusable.
I found templates on the eaa.org site
(http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/Baffling%20Yo
ur%20Lycoming%20Part%201.html), but I have not figured out how to print
them to scale. I did attempt to use an old baffle as a template, but
the new one did not turn out very pretty with tin snips (I do not have a
bandsaw).
My options seem to be: 1)buy a bandsaw to make cutting easier, faster,
and more professional looking 2)buy the baffles prefabricated from
somewhere
I am curious what other builders did for their baffles.
Jay Herron
Salem, OH
801 (hope to be flying this summer!!!)
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| Subject: | Re: Updated drawings on line? & electrical circuits |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
For simple lighting circuits, it's OK to use the metal frame as ground but,
for the rudder, make sure you run a separate ground wire at least back to
the fuselage or use a bonding wire to bond the rudder to the fuselage. Don't
rely on the hinges to provide a good ground path.
For your avionics, gauges and anything with large current draw, you should
run separate ground wires to a common ground point. Your engine and battery
should also be grounded to this common point.
on 5/14/05 12:15 PM, DeanMFord@aol.com at DeanMFord@aol.com wrote:
>
> When running electrical circuits such as for the wing tip lights or lights on
> the rudder, is it okay just to run a single conductor to supply the 12 V and
> use the airframe as the ground path or is that a bad practice?
>
> Dean M. Ford
> 601 XL tail complete - working on flaps
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filter surprise |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
In a properly designed fuel system there should be no way that water can get
to your fuel filter. The filter should be the last thing before the carbs
and if water gets that far you're in big trouble anyway.
on 5/14/05 8:17 AM, Grant Corriveau at grantc@ca.inter.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> I changed out my fuel filters yesterday. I was surprised when I cut the old
> ones open to find that they had a paper core. (I think this is not allowed
> in Canadian regs?? something to do with paper swelling/disolving in the
> presence of water?)...
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" <bjohnson@satx.rr.com>
FYI, perhaps not directly to your question, but LSA stall speeds are "clean"
(ie w/o flaps)so your plane equipped with flaps or not is not relevant to
qualification for a sport pilot.
Bruce
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Vetterli
Subject: Zenith-List: Flaps
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
This might be a crazy question, but has anybody built
an XL without flaps? What I mean is, without moveable
flaps. You obviously need the flaps to complete the
wings, but just attach them to hard points and leave
them. I got my medical back, so I don't need the
plane to qualify under the LSA, so landing speed is
not an issue. Less installation hassle, fewer moving
parts. I don't know what got me thinking about this.
Any thoughts?
Rich Vetterli
N56DV (reserved)
Tail complate
Working on WW Corvair
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
It may be a personal thing but I would suggest against hard fitting the
flaps. The XL is a faster 601 then all the rest and for better short
field performance you would regret not having the flaps available. Plus
there is that re-sale thingy.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli
<richvetterli@yahoo.com>
This might be a crazy question, but has anybody built
an XL without flaps? What I mean is, without moveable
flaps. You obviously need the flaps to complete the
wings, but just attach them to hard points and leave
them. I got my medical back, so I don't need the
plane to qualify under the LSA, so landing speed is
not an issue. Less installation hassle, fewer moving
parts. I don't know what got me thinking about this.
Any thoughts?
Rich Vetterli
N56DV (reserved)
Tail complate
Working on WW Corvair
Do Not Archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
If I do another I won't install the flaps. The only time I used them was
testing. They make for a bumpy ride coming in. I could get in to my 900'
strip with out them just fine. But that's just me.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli
<richvetterli@yahoo.com>
>
> This might be a crazy question, but has anybody built
> an XL without flaps? What I mean is, without moveable
> flaps. You obviously need the flaps to complete the
> wings, but just attach them to hard points and leave
> them. I got my medical back, so I don't need the
> plane to qualify under the LSA, so landing speed is
> not an issue. Less installation hassle, fewer moving
> parts. I don't know what got me thinking about this.
> Any thoughts?
> Rich Vetterli
> N56DV (reserved)
> Tail complate
> Working on WW Corvair
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Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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| Subject: | 701 with 85 Continental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave and Pam Fisher <dpfisher@scottsbluff.net>
Hi Roland and list,
I'm building a 701 with an 80 HP Continental. I can't answer as to how
much of your 140 stuff you can use. I suspect that some modification will
be necessary. I am sure that both your engine and mine are on the heavy
side for a 701 and anything we can do to keep the weight down up front is a
good idea. I'm using a light wooden prop, no electric, no header tank, and
bare minimum VFR instruments. the battery for my electric trim will be in
the rear fuselage and will be as large as necessary for weight and
balance. I made my own engine mount- Cub style, positioned as close as
possible to the fire wall.
With that said I think the 85 will be a good engine for the 701. What are
your plans with regard to the fuel system? Any advice from anyone with a
Continental would be welcome. Is a boost pump advisable? Has anyone
plumbed their 701 with Continental direct from the wing tanks, Cessna style?
Thanks,
Dave , 701 with 80 Continental, 90% and holding
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| Subject: | EIS 6000 Install documentation in PDF? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Hi list,
Has anyone seen the install guide/documentation for the EIS 6000 in PDF
format? GRT don't appear to have it on their web site...
Thanks,
..lance
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
If you're building the kit, installing the flap motor, etc. may
add <~1% to the build time. No reason not to install them.
Like Mark says, some folks feel uncomfortable without flaps.
As to moving parts - like Brett's, mine don't move (I don't use them).
My stall speed is < 50 mph IAS without flaps.
And I routinely make the first exit wherever I land.
(It surprises ATC - I'm often referred to as an RV in the pattern.)
If I use 1000 feet of runway I didn't make a good landing.
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
195 hours
http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/
On Sun, 15 May 2005, Richard Vetterli wrote:
> This might be a crazy question, but has anybody built an XL without
> flaps? What I mean is, without moveable flaps. You obviously need the
> flaps to complete the wings, but just attach them to hard points and
> leave them. I got my medical back, so I don't need the plane to
> qualify under the LSA, so landing speed is not an issue. Less
> installation hassle, fewer moving parts. I don't know what got me
> thinking about this. Any thoughts?
> Rich Vetterli > N56DV (reserved)
> Tail complate > Working on WW Corvair
> Do Not Archive
>
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