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1. 04:14 AM - engine baffles: did you make your own? (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Fuel filter surprise (Don Walker)
3. 08:01 AM - Re: Flaps (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
4. 08:50 AM - McCauley prop (Zed Smith)
5. 10:07 AM - Ailerons on an HD question (Trevor Page)
6. 10:35 AM - Re: Flaps (Al Young)
7. 11:18 AM - Re: McCauley prop (Dirk Slabbert)
8. 05:02 PM - SWRFI (ron wehba)
9. 05:18 PM - Top Coating Zinc Chromate ()
10. 05:38 PM - Re: Top Coating Zinc Chromate (ron wehba)
11. 06:06 PM - barnstormers (ron wehba)
12. 06:10 PM - Re: Top Coating Zinc Chromate (N5SL)
13. 06:11 PM - Re: 701 with 85 Continental (Gary Gower)
14. 06:16 PM - Re: Ailerons on an HD question (Larry McFarland)
15. 06:45 PM - S.O.S. Kiez! Polizei schlaegt Alarm (bob.nuckolls@cox.net)
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| Subject: | engine baffles: did you make your own? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
I don't know for sure if the baffle kit sold with the 801 is exactly the same as
the one sold for the CH640, but I think it is. If so, it consists of flat sheets
of aluminum with the templates scrawled on them. If you have templates, making
your own is just as easy (or difficult depending on your outlook). I tried
with Zenairs baffles, but making some of the bends etc was difficult for me
and I wasn't happy with the final fit. I ended up getting the baffle kit from
Vans which was very complete, had good instructions, and fit well only requiring
some minimal trimming for final fit. You need to adjust the angle of the front
baffles a bit to match the cowl but that was pretty easy.
Steve Adams
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filter surprise |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:05:53 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
That is my experience, too. My filter is the last thing in the line and not likely
to have water there. I have used inexpensive paper filters for 10 years and
800 hours of flying without incident. Though I live in a humid area (East Texas),
they have never been a problem. I cut them open to inspect when changing...annually.
My carbs on the HDS now have 360+ hours and the bowls are clean as a whistle...no
debris. I am not recommending paper filters, just reporting my experience
to this point. don walker
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Martin<mailto:bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
To: Zenith List<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel filter surprise
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net<mailto:bryanmmartin@comcast.net>>
In a properly designed fuel system there should be no way that water can get
to your fuel filter. The filter should be the last thing before the carbs
and if water gets that far you're in big trouble anyway.
on 5/14/05 8:17 AM, Grant Corriveau at grantc@ca.inter.net<mailto:grantc@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net<mailto:grantc@ca.inter.net>>
>
> I changed out my fuel filters yesterday. I was surprised when I cut the old
> ones open to find that they had a paper core. (I think this is not allowed
> in Canadian regs?? something to do with paper swelling/disolving in the
> presence of water?)...
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Rick, Your thinking is in line with mine, but flaps though unnecessary to
land normally would be a great advantage in short field or emergency landings or
near max gross weight. I regard them as important. What I don't understand
is when Zenith is the poster boy company for simple, lite and efficient
designs, I.E., the dual throttle controls, the center control stick, wing tips
and
rudder/brake peddle setup and their great steerable front landing gear, why
would they put this electric, heavy, complex flap system on the XL ? Seems to me
that smart folks could create a simple and lite manual activation system that
would be a real plus. I fly a Piper Warrior regularly and the flap handle is a
real positive and quick system. Safer too.
Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
List,
I have an un-serviceable 76" McCauley "ClipTip" fixed-pitch prop which is about
to find a new home as a wind vane. Has the usual 6-bolt pattern (4-inch bolt
circle, 2-inch radius) but it also has the two indexing pins.
The pins are steel and appear to be driven into the hub. Probably tapered pins.
Don't need them as the wind vane isn't planned as aerobatic.
Any advice about exactly these pins are affixed, and especially how they might
be easily removed?
Threaded, epoxy, driven, LocTite, etc?
And, no, I wasn't PIC when it chewed up several acres of turf.
Secondly, what is the general concensus as to current proper off-the-shelf 912
engine oil (brand name, etc) from your local auto parts store? My stash of Motul
is exhausted, need to re-stock.
Thanks,
Zed/701/R912/90+%
do not archve
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| Subject: | Ailerons on an HD question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Listers, I have a question about aileron alignment on a 601 HD. My
manual doesn't give me any details other than deflections.
I know some time ago there was some discussion about drooping them
slightly or lowering them but I want to know if I should have the
aileron ends flush with the wing tip or the inboard wing fairing.
Since there is a twist in the ailerons I wasn't sure what to do.
Right now I have them flush with the wing tips. The inboard trailing
edges are about 1/2" below the wing fairings.
Other than this adjustment I'm ready for first flight. Weather this
past weekend was not conducive for that so this week looks like it
might be better.
Trevor Page
601HD C-IDUS
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Richard- I don't see why the flap about flaps. (I couldn't resist that
pun). Anyway, its' a joy to have a electrical flap control on my XL. I
wouldn't have it any other way. It wasn't that much of a problem to
install, and my Cherokee driving friends are so jealouse.
Al Young
601XL- Flying! Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: McCauley prop |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Zed, I still remember you from the cobra and indian advice hee hee hee suitable
comment !
I'm back in Piketberg from up north, crop season here.
Dunno how you ever got through that 701 fuse assembly part, this is my next mountain
to climb.
Just looking at the drawings think I will change the construction method, like
putting the skeleton together first, then do the skins? what do you think?
Should you ever whish to visit here in Africa do contact me, every year is different.
This year the Kalahari is in full bloom, unbelieveable, once red desert is now
a paradise, game of all sorts far as the eye can see.
Regards,
Dirk.
----- Original Mes
sage -----
From: Zed Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: 16 May, 2005 5:46 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: McCauley prop
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
List,
I have an un-serviceable 76" McCauley "ClipTip" fixed-pitch prop which is about
to find a new home as a wind vane. Has the usual 6-bolt pattern (4-inch bolt
circle, 2-inch radius) but it also has the two indexing pins.
The pins are steel and appear to be driven into the hub. Probably tapered pins.
Don't need them as the wind vane isn't planned as aerobatic.
Any advice about exactly these pins are affixed, and especially how they might
be easily removed?
Threaded, epoxy, driven, LocTite, etc?
And, no, I wasn't PIC when it chewed up several acres of turf.
Secondly, what is the general concensus as to current proper off-the-shelf 912
engine oil (brand name, etc) from your local auto parts store? My stash of
Motul is exhausted, need to re-stock.
Thanks,
Zed/701/R912/90+%
do not archve
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
any one on here make it?? if so how was it? i could not go ,,just wanna know?
thanks ronw in west tx
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| Subject: | Top Coating Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
I just bought 701 plans and had a question about exterior painting.
As I build each section of the airframe, I plan to treat the interior parts
with alodine and paint them with zinc chromate. When I'm done, let's say,
with the rudder, I would like to prime the exterior with zinc chromate as
well so it will not sit bare for the long time it will take me to finish the
rest of the airplane. I would rather do this than have to prime and top
coat each section as I go.
If I prime the exterior surfaces with zinc chromate, what types of top coat
can I use over it? I have read that polyurethane should not be put on zinc
chromate, for example. Can anyone tell me what types of primers and top
coats can be put over zinc chromate?
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Top Coating Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
where you located?
----- Original Message -----
From: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Top Coating Zinc Chromate
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
>
> I just bought 701 plans and had a question about exterior painting.
>
>
> As I build each section of the airframe, I plan to treat the interior
> parts
> with alodine and paint them with zinc chromate. When I'm done, let's say,
> with the rudder, I would like to prime the exterior with zinc chromate as
> well so it will not sit bare for the long time it will take me to finish
> the
> rest of the airplane. I would rather do this than have to prime and top
> coat each section as I go.
>
>
> If I prime the exterior surfaces with zinc chromate, what types of top
> coat
> can I use over it? I have read that polyurethane should not be put on
> zinc
> chromate, for example. Can anyone tell me what types of primers and top
> coats can be put over zinc chromate?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Burke Johnson
>
> Irvington, VA
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
have you see this deal,,sorry don't know how to link, goto exp and zenith and
have a look! nice try, wish i could do this and make it happen. yee haw,,naw!!
i could not do this to anyone!
92,595.00????
http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_58218_ZENAIR+601XL+SLSA+-+%24258+per+month+%282+partners%29.html
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| Subject: | Re: Top Coating Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Burke I wouldn't worry about the exterior just yet unless you are storing the rudder
outside. I hung my rudder on the wall 2-1/2 years ago and it still looks
just like new.
Good luck,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
burkeandsusan@verizon.net wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
I just bought 701 plans and had a question about exterior painting.
As I build each section of the airframe, I plan to treat the interior parts
with alodine and paint them with zinc chromate. When I'm done, let's say,
with the rudder, I would like to prime the exterior with zinc chromate as
well so it will not sit bare for the long time it will take me to finish the
rest of the airplane. I would rather do this than have to prime and top
coat each section as I go.
If I prime the exterior surfaces with zinc chromate, what types of top coat
can I use over it? I have read that polyurethane should not be put on zinc
chromate, for example. Can anyone tell me what types of primers and top
coats can be put over zinc chromate?
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
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| Subject: | Re: 701 with 85 Continental |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Dave,
I used to fly Ultralights without electric regulator so the engine alternator was
no used (once smoked my portable Icom in an overcharge).
I used a gel battery for the radio and intercom, To keep the battery charged
I had two charging systems:
1.- A trickle 1 amp motorcycle charger that was pluged to a cigarette lighter
conection in the panel during the week in the hangar (if you have AC in your
hangar) .
2.- I also used when flying, a licence plate size solar panel charger that comes
with a little diode (to prevent discharge in the night), they produce les
than an amp, but good enough to help in X country flights.
This one, you can install it below the lexan top in the cabin. or take it on
the X country flight and leave it over the instrument panel while parked... Comes
with a cigarette lighter type conection also, weights very little (but cant
remember the weight). I think I bought it in an RV store...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Dave and Pam Fisher <dpfisher@scottsbluff.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave and Pam Fisher
Hi Roland and list,
I'm building a 701 with an 80 HP Continental. I can't answer as to how
much of your 140 stuff you can use. I suspect that some modification will
be necessary. I am sure that both your engine and mine are on the heavy
side for a 701 and anything we can do to keep the weight down up front is a
good idea. I'm using a light wooden prop, no electric, no header tank, and
bare minimum VFR instruments. the battery for my electric trim will be in
the rear fuselage and will be as large as necessary for weight and
balance. I made my own engine mount- Cub style, positioned as close as
possible to the fire wall.
With that said I think the 85 will be a good engine for the 701. What are
your plans with regard to the fuel system? Any advice from anyone with a
Continental would be welcome. Is a boost pump advisable? Has anyone
plumbed their 701 with Continental direct from the wing tanks, Cessna style?
Thanks,
Dave , 701 with 80 Continental, 90% and holding
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons on an HD question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Trevor,
I believe the consensus was that the ailerons should align for the first
flight and that eventually
you may lower each as much as a 1/4 inch or so if you feel the need to
get your plane more
"on the step" or lower your nose a bit for visibility. I'd make the
change after you've got some
time and familiarity with its handling.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
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Trevor Page wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
>Listers, I have a question about aileron alignment on a 601 HD. My
>manual doesn't give me any details other than deflections.
>
>I know some time ago there was some discussion about drooping them
>slightly or lowering them but I want to know if I should have the
>aileron ends flush with the wing tip or the inboard wing fairing.
>Since there is a twist in the ailerons I wasn't sure what to do.
>Right now I have them flush with the wing tips. The inboard trailing
>edges are about 1/2" below the wing fairings.
>
>Other than this adjustment I'm ready for first flight. Weather this
>past weekend was not conducive for that so this week looks like it
>might be better.
>
>Trevor Page
>601HD C-IDUS
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | S.O.S. Kiez! Polizei schlaegt Alarm |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bob.nuckolls@cox.net
Lese selbst:
http://bz.berlin1.de/archiv/041115_pdf/BZ041115_004_GB2IG556.1.htm
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