---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/16/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - engine baffles: did you make your own? (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta) 2. 06:10 AM - Re: Fuel filter surprise (Don Walker) 3. 08:01 AM - Re: Flaps (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 4. 08:50 AM - McCauley prop (Zed Smith) 5. 10:07 AM - Ailerons on an HD question (Trevor Page) 6. 10:35 AM - Re: Flaps (Al Young) 7. 11:18 AM - Re: McCauley prop (Dirk Slabbert) 8. 05:02 PM - SWRFI (ron wehba) 9. 05:18 PM - Top Coating Zinc Chromate () 10. 05:38 PM - Re: Top Coating Zinc Chromate (ron wehba) 11. 06:06 PM - barnstormers (ron wehba) 12. 06:10 PM - Re: Top Coating Zinc Chromate (N5SL) 13. 06:11 PM - Re: 701 with 85 Continental (Gary Gower) 14. 06:16 PM - Re: Ailerons on an HD question (Larry McFarland) 15. 06:45 PM - S.O.S. Kiez! Polizei schlaegt Alarm (bob.nuckolls@cox.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: engine baffles: did you make your own? From: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" I don't know for sure if the baffle kit sold with the 801 is exactly the same as the one sold for the CH640, but I think it is. If so, it consists of flat sheets of aluminum with the templates scrawled on them. If you have templates, making your own is just as easy (or difficult depending on your outlook). I tried with Zenairs baffles, but making some of the bends etc was difficult for me and I wasn't happy with the final fit. I ended up getting the baffle kit from Vans which was very complete, had good instructions, and fit well only requiring some minimal trimming for final fit. You need to adjust the angle of the front baffles a bit to match the cowl but that was pretty easy. Steve Adams ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:02 AM PST US From: "Don Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel filter surprise Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:05:53 -0500 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" That is my experience, too. My filter is the last thing in the line and not likely to have water there. I have used inexpensive paper filters for 10 years and 800 hours of flying without incident. Though I live in a humid area (East Texas), they have never been a problem. I cut them open to inspect when changing...annually. My carbs on the HDS now have 360+ hours and the bowls are clean as a whistle...no debris. I am not recommending paper filters, just reporting my experience to this point. don walker ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Martin To: Zenith List Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel filter surprise --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > In a properly designed fuel system there should be no way that water can get to your fuel filter. The filter should be the last thing before the carbs and if water gets that far you're in big trouble anyway. on 5/14/05 8:17 AM, Grant Corriveau at grantc@ca.inter.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > > I changed out my fuel filters yesterday. I was surprised when I cut the old > ones open to find that they had a paper core. (I think this is not allowed > in Canadian regs?? something to do with paper swelling/disolving in the > presence of water?)... > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:35 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flaps --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Rick, Your thinking is in line with mine, but flaps though unnecessary to land normally would be a great advantage in short field or emergency landings or near max gross weight. I regard them as important. What I don't understand is when Zenith is the poster boy company for simple, lite and efficient designs, I.E., the dual throttle controls, the center control stick, wing tips and rudder/brake peddle setup and their great steerable front landing gear, why would they put this electric, heavy, complex flap system on the XL ? Seems to me that smart folks could create a simple and lite manual activation system that would be a real plus. I fly a Piper Warrior regularly and the flap handle is a real positive and quick system. Safer too. Best regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:37 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: McCauley prop --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith List, I have an un-serviceable 76" McCauley "ClipTip" fixed-pitch prop which is about to find a new home as a wind vane. Has the usual 6-bolt pattern (4-inch bolt circle, 2-inch radius) but it also has the two indexing pins. The pins are steel and appear to be driven into the hub. Probably tapered pins. Don't need them as the wind vane isn't planned as aerobatic. Any advice about exactly these pins are affixed, and especially how they might be easily removed? Threaded, epoxy, driven, LocTite, etc? And, no, I wasn't PIC when it chewed up several acres of turf. Secondly, what is the general concensus as to current proper off-the-shelf 912 engine oil (brand name, etc) from your local auto parts store? My stash of Motul is exhausted, need to re-stock. Thanks, Zed/701/R912/90+% do not archve ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:03 AM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Zenith-List: Ailerons on an HD question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page Listers, I have a question about aileron alignment on a 601 HD. My manual doesn't give me any details other than deflections. I know some time ago there was some discussion about drooping them slightly or lowering them but I want to know if I should have the aileron ends flush with the wing tip or the inboard wing fairing. Since there is a twist in the ailerons I wasn't sure what to do. Right now I have them flush with the wing tips. The inboard trailing edges are about 1/2" below the wing fairings. Other than this adjustment I'm ready for first flight. Weather this past weekend was not conducive for that so this week looks like it might be better. Trevor Page 601HD C-IDUS ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:15 AM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flaps --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" Richard- I don't see why the flap about flaps. (I couldn't resist that pun). Anyway, its' a joy to have a electrical flap control on my XL. I wouldn't have it any other way. It wasn't that much of a problem to install, and my Cherokee driving friends are so jealouse. Al Young 601XL- Flying! Do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:39 AM PST US From: "Dirk Slabbert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: McCauley prop --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" Zed, I still remember you from the cobra and indian advice hee hee hee suitable comment ! I'm back in Piketberg from up north, crop season here. Dunno how you ever got through that 701 fuse assembly part, this is my next mountain to climb. Just looking at the drawings think I will change the construction method, like putting the skeleton together first, then do the skins? what do you think? Should you ever whish to visit here in Africa do contact me, every year is different. This year the Kalahari is in full bloom, unbelieveable, once red desert is now a paradise, game of all sorts far as the eye can see. Regards, Dirk. ----- Original Mes sage ----- From: Zed Smith To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: 16 May, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Zenith-List: McCauley prop --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith List, I have an un-serviceable 76" McCauley "ClipTip" fixed-pitch prop which is about to find a new home as a wind vane. Has the usual 6-bolt pattern (4-inch bolt circle, 2-inch radius) but it also has the two indexing pins. The pins are steel and appear to be driven into the hub. Probably tapered pins. Don't need them as the wind vane isn't planned as aerobatic. Any advice about exactly these pins are affixed, and especially how they might be easily removed? Threaded, epoxy, driven, LocTite, etc? And, no, I wasn't PIC when it chewed up several acres of turf. Secondly, what is the general concensus as to current proper off-the-shelf 912 engine oil (brand name, etc) from your local auto parts store? My stash of Motul is exhausted, need to re-stock. Thanks, Zed/701/R912/90+% do not archve ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:34 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Zenith-List: SWRFI --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" any one on here make it?? if so how was it? i could not go ,,just wanna know? thanks ronw in west tx ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:16 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Top Coating Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: I just bought 701 plans and had a question about exterior painting. As I build each section of the airframe, I plan to treat the interior parts with alodine and paint them with zinc chromate. When I'm done, let's say, with the rudder, I would like to prime the exterior with zinc chromate as well so it will not sit bare for the long time it will take me to finish the rest of the airplane. I would rather do this than have to prime and top coat each section as I go. If I prime the exterior surfaces with zinc chromate, what types of top coat can I use over it? I have read that polyurethane should not be put on zinc chromate, for example. Can anyone tell me what types of primers and top coats can be put over zinc chromate? Thanks, Burke Johnson Irvington, VA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:34 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Top Coating Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" where you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Top Coating Zinc Chromate > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > I just bought 701 plans and had a question about exterior painting. > > > As I build each section of the airframe, I plan to treat the interior > parts > with alodine and paint them with zinc chromate. When I'm done, let's say, > with the rudder, I would like to prime the exterior with zinc chromate as > well so it will not sit bare for the long time it will take me to finish > the > rest of the airplane. I would rather do this than have to prime and top > coat each section as I go. > > > If I prime the exterior surfaces with zinc chromate, what types of top > coat > can I use over it? I have read that polyurethane should not be put on > zinc > chromate, for example. Can anyone tell me what types of primers and top > coats can be put over zinc chromate? > > > Thanks, > > > Burke Johnson > > Irvington, VA > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:06 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Zenith-List: barnstormers --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" have you see this deal,,sorry don't know how to link, goto exp and zenith and have a look! nice try, wish i could do this and make it happen. yee haw,,naw!! i could not do this to anyone! 92,595.00???? http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_58218_ZENAIR+601XL+SLSA+-+%24258+per+month+%282+partners%29.html ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:04 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Top Coating Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Burke I wouldn't worry about the exterior just yet unless you are storing the rudder outside. I hung my rudder on the wall 2-1/2 years ago and it still looks just like new. Good luck, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com burkeandsusan@verizon.net wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: I just bought 701 plans and had a question about exterior painting. As I build each section of the airframe, I plan to treat the interior parts with alodine and paint them with zinc chromate. When I'm done, let's say, with the rudder, I would like to prime the exterior with zinc chromate as well so it will not sit bare for the long time it will take me to finish the rest of the airplane. I would rather do this than have to prime and top coat each section as I go. If I prime the exterior surfaces with zinc chromate, what types of top coat can I use over it? I have read that polyurethane should not be put on zinc chromate, for example. Can anyone tell me what types of primers and top coats can be put over zinc chromate? Thanks, Burke Johnson Irvington, VA --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:28 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 with 85 Continental --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Dave, I used to fly Ultralights without electric regulator so the engine alternator was no used (once smoked my portable Icom in an overcharge). I used a gel battery for the radio and intercom, To keep the battery charged I had two charging systems: 1.- A trickle 1 amp motorcycle charger that was pluged to a cigarette lighter conection in the panel during the week in the hangar (if you have AC in your hangar) . 2.- I also used when flying, a licence plate size solar panel charger that comes with a little diode (to prevent discharge in the night), they produce les than an amp, but good enough to help in X country flights. This one, you can install it below the lexan top in the cabin. or take it on the X country flight and leave it over the instrument panel while parked... Comes with a cigarette lighter type conection also, weights very little (but cant remember the weight). I think I bought it in an RV store... Saludos Gary Gower. Dave and Pam Fisher wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave and Pam Fisher Hi Roland and list, I'm building a 701 with an 80 HP Continental. I can't answer as to how much of your 140 stuff you can use. I suspect that some modification will be necessary. I am sure that both your engine and mine are on the heavy side for a 701 and anything we can do to keep the weight down up front is a good idea. I'm using a light wooden prop, no electric, no header tank, and bare minimum VFR instruments. the battery for my electric trim will be in the rear fuselage and will be as large as necessary for weight and balance. I made my own engine mount- Cub style, positioned as close as possible to the fire wall. With that said I think the 85 will be a good engine for the 701. What are your plans with regard to the fuel system? Any advice from anyone with a Continental would be welcome. Is a boost pump advisable? Has anyone plumbed their 701 with Continental direct from the wing tanks, Cessna style? Thanks, Dave , 701 with 80 Continental, 90% and holding ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:35 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ailerons on an HD question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Trevor, I believe the consensus was that the ailerons should align for the first flight and that eventually you may lower each as much as a 1/4 inch or so if you feel the need to get your plane more "on the step" or lower your nose a bit for visibility. I'd make the change after you've got some time and familiarity with its handling. Good luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS Do Not Archive Trevor Page wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page > >Listers, I have a question about aileron alignment on a 601 HD. My >manual doesn't give me any details other than deflections. > >I know some time ago there was some discussion about drooping them >slightly or lowering them but I want to know if I should have the >aileron ends flush with the wing tip or the inboard wing fairing. >Since there is a twist in the ailerons I wasn't sure what to do. >Right now I have them flush with the wing tips. The inboard trailing >edges are about 1/2" below the wing fairings. > >Other than this adjustment I'm ready for first flight. Weather this >past weekend was not conducive for that so this week looks like it >might be better. > >Trevor Page >601HD C-IDUS > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:28 PM PST US From: bob.nuckolls@cox.net Subject: Zenith-List: S.O.S. Kiez! Polizei schlaegt Alarm --> Zenith-List message posted by: bob.nuckolls@cox.net Lese selbst: http://bz.berlin1.de/archiv/041115_pdf/BZ041115_004_GB2IG556.1.htm