---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/18/05: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Tying the tail? (Grant Corriveau) 2. 06:30 AM - Re: Tying the tail? (Bryan Martin) 3. 06:37 AM - Red, Red, Green (N5SL) 4. 07:38 AM - Re: Tying the tail? (kobo1) 5. 07:58 AM - Re: Tying the tail? (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Tying the tail? (Bryan Martin) 7. 08:46 AM - New Kit Builder (grusha) 8. 09:01 AM - Re: Tying the tail? (kobo1) 9. 10:31 AM - Re: Tying the tail? (Michel Therrien) 10. 11:06 AM - Re: Tying the tail? () 11. 12:25 PM - Flap actuators (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 12. 12:51 PM - Re: Tying the tail? (N5SL) 13. 03:59 PM - Re: Red, Red, Green (Jim and Lucy) 14. 06:56 PM - C-IDUS update and questions (Trevor Page) 15. 07:09 PM - Re: New Kit Builder (Mike Sinclair) 16. 07:22 PM - Kevin's webpage (kevinbonds) 17. 08:27 PM - Re: Kevin's webpage (Lance Gingell) 18. 08:27 PM - Baggage floor (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 19. 09:13 PM - Re: Baggage floor (Hal Rozema) 20. 10:07 PM - Re: Flap actuators (NYTerminat@aol.com) 21. 10:24 PM - Re: Tying the tail? (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > From: Bryan Martin > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > > The wing tie-down rings on the 601 are far enough forward to help keep the > nose on the ground in strong winds but you also need to tie down the tail > and lock the controls nose down. OKAY! That's why I like this list -- good info thanks. I would like to hear the FULL and complete report behind that picture. Bryan wins the 'award' for the most complete answer! I will continue to tie down the tail (but not so tight as to deform the tail hinge point), and I will continue to secure the control column in the nosedown direction. That seems to make the most sense. (although, I seem to recall that the Cessna control lock holds the tail in mostly neutral position... hmmmm Which raises another question - when tying down a taildragger, should the control column be secured in the full noseup or nosedown or neutral position? -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin As I recall, the control lock on a Cessna locks the elevator partially nose down but a Cessna has more tail surface. I haven't devised a way to lock my 601 controls partly nose down yet. For now, when I do tie it down outside, I just tie the stick to one of the rudder pedals. I seem to recall that full nose down is recommended for the 601 but can't recall where that info came from. Most of the time my Zodiac sits in a hangar and I don't worry about a control lock. I would guess that on a taildragger, down elevator would be unnecessary since the whole tail is already angled upward. But, I'm not very familiar with taildraggers. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. on 5/18/05 7:34 AM, Grant Corriveau at grantc@ca.inter.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > >> From: Bryan Martin >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin >> >> The wing tie-down rings on the 601 are far enough forward to help keep the >> nose on the ground in strong winds but you also need to tie down the tail >> and lock the controls nose down. > > OKAY! That's why I like this list -- good info thanks. I would like to hear > the FULL and complete report behind that picture. > > Bryan wins the 'award' for the most complete answer! > > I will continue to tie down the tail (but not so tight as to deform the tail > hinge point), and I will continue to secure the control column in the > nosedown direction. That seems to make the most sense. (although, I seem to > recall that the Cessna control lock holds the tail in mostly neutral > position... hmmmm > > Which raises another question - when tying down a taildragger, should the > control column be secured in the full noseup or nosedown or neutral > position? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:52 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Zenith-List: Red, Red, Green --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL NORAD has a new laser-warning system for anybody flying general aviation in the Washington DC area. See the report on fox.com here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156861,00.html There's a video link also on that page to show you what it looks like. Does anybody have first-hand knowledge of the two guys that were arrested last week for flying too close to the capital? Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:14 AM PST US From: "kobo1" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kobo1" I was taught the standard way to tie down the tail would be Bungee cord the stick full back and tie the tail down at the tail wheel, with about 4 inches of slack. You don't want it tugging at the tail, just to hold it down in an emergency. The wings must be tied taught though, no slack at all. Michael Kolbasovsky -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Corriveau Subject: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau So, why do we tie down the tail when parking a nose-dragger? The more I think about it the less I understand this practice. And should the control column be secured full up or full down or full neutral? Seems to me full neutral is the way to go so the tail surface won't contribute to lifting the nosewheel off the ground no matter which way the wind blows... Furthermore, the tail ring on my HDS is not reallyt that beefy where it fits to the fuselage. If you (or some other well-meaning 'helper' ) should tie down the tail with a strong horizontal vector in the tiedown rope (i.e. if the tie down spot is well aft of the plane) then I recommend you check carefully for deformation in the rear lower rudder hinge assembly where the tie down ring is attached. Mine showed signs of damage after such an event. Unless someone comes up with something I haven't thought of I think I'm going to go with wings-only tie downs from now on. This gives the added benefit of being able to easily taxi into my parking spot from the back without worrying about hitting the tail tie down ground ring. Any other thoughts on this? Anyone seen a nose-dragger saved by having the tail tied down? -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:17 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread, Michael is pretty much correct, but I was always taught that on a tricycle plane for strong wind prep to tie the wing taunt but to have the wing tie down points behind the line of the ground tie down points. Then to tie the rear point down until you get the front shock to relax a bit or at least some pressure. That way the plane is tied down suspended between three points. At least that's the way our Air Force ties down our planes. Everything from a Piper Warrior to a C-5A. Course on a BUFF there would not be any point to tie relaxing the front strut, but on the smaller stuff. As to leaving slack in the lines I just cannot see. Why give your plane three to five inches to swing or lift with the damage inertia could cause? FWIW, Best regards, Bill ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin That's pretty much the way I was taught back when I started taking lessons at the Navy Flying Club at NAS Memphis. For small aircraft, you should use ropes pulled snug tied with hurricane hitches. The ropes will stretch and absorb shock loads. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. on 5/18/05 10:57 AM, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com at JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Dear Thread, Michael is pretty much correct, but I was always taught that on > a tricycle plane for strong wind prep to tie the wing taunt but to have the > wing tie down points behind the line of the ground tie down points. Then to > tie > the rear point down until you get the front shock to relax a bit or at least > some pressure. That way the plane is tied down suspended between three > points. > At least that's the way our Air Force ties down our planes. Everything from > a Piper Warrior to a C-5A. Course on a BUFF there would not be any point to > tie relaxing the front strut, but on the smaller stuff. As to leaving slack in > the lines I just cannot see. Why give your plane three to five inches to > swing or lift with the damage inertia could cause? FWIW, Best regards, Bill > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:57 AM PST US From: grusha Subject: Zenith-List: New Kit Builder --> Zenith-List message posted by: grusha I have recently ordered a full 701 kit that will be shipped in early July. I've been looking at these posting and have learned some useful things. I am a first time builder and am looking for any pitfalls that I should watch out for. For example, from some of the postings I have seen here, I will be very careful to measure assemblies prior to riveting to avoid twists in parts like wings and elevator. Are there other things that I should be aware of that are non-obvious from reviewing the plans and the CD? I haven't seen anything in the documentation that discusses accuracy as related to the numbers on the drawings. For example, when a distance is specified as 840 mm, then is Zenith using the normal mathematical/engineering convention that this number has two significant digits (no decimal point, 840 not 840.) and therefore the accuracy is +- 5mm? Doug Kandle, Boise ID ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:34 AM PST US From: "kobo1" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kobo1" All true, but remember small aircraft do bounce a little in the wind on the front oleo, maybe an inch or two. You don't want the tail tugging at the rope on each bounce and stressing the metal; the rope there is to keep the tail from going over. Larger aircraft may not have this little bounce in the wind. Michael Kolbasovsky -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin --> That's pretty much the way I was taught back when I started taking lessons at the Navy Flying Club at NAS Memphis. For small aircraft, you should use ropes pulled snug tied with hurricane hitches. The ropes will stretch and absorb shock loads. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. on 5/18/05 10:57 AM, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com at JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Dear Thread, Michael is pretty much correct, but I was always taught > that on a tricycle plane for strong wind prep to tie the wing taunt > but to have the wing tie down points behind the line of the ground tie > down points. Then to tie the rear point down until you get the front > shock to relax a bit or at least some pressure. That way the plane is > tied down suspended between three points. > At least that's the way our Air Force ties down our planes. Everything from > a Piper Warrior to a C-5A. Course on a BUFF there would not be any point to > tie relaxing the front strut, but on the smaller stuff. As to leaving slack in > the lines I just cannot see. Why give your plane three to five inches to > swing or lift with the damage inertia could cause? FWIW, Best regards, Bill > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:36 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien --- Grant Corriveau wrote: > > I will continue to tie down the tail (but not so > tight as to deform the tail > hinge point), Deforming the tail hinge point? I ran my engine at wide open throttle on many occasions with the aircraft holding in place by this eye bolt. I presume that traction is not far from 400 lbs. No deformation or breakage... yet. Michel do not archive ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? From: clamav-milter version 0.80j on heru-ur --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan, please show or explain how to tie a hurricane hitch. Thanks, Jeff Glasserow CH601 HDS N6384E > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > > > That's pretty much the way I was taught back when I started taking > lessons at the Navy Flying Club at NAS Memphis. For small aircraft, you > should use ropes pulled snug tied with hurricane hitches. The ropes will > stretch and absorb shock loads. > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > do not archive. > > > on 5/18/05 10:57 AM, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com at JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com >> >> Dear Thread, Michael is pretty much correct, but I was always taught >> that on a tricycle plane for strong wind prep to tie the wing taunt >> but to have the wing tie down points behind the line of the ground tie >> down points. Then to tie >> the rear point down until you get the front shock to relax a bit or at >> least some pressure. That way the plane is tied down suspended >> between three points. >> At least that's the way our Air Force ties down our planes. >> Everything from a Piper Warrior to a C-5A. Course on a BUFF there >> would not be any point to tie relaxing the front strut, but on the >> smaller stuff. As to leaving slack in the lines I just cannot see. >> Why give your plane three to five inches to swing or lift with the >> damage inertia could cause? FWIW, Best regards, Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:23 PM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Flap actuators --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com Seems like these linear actuators ought to work great. http://www.firgelliauto.com/cat10_1.htm You'd have to fabricate a mount of some kind, but their speed and strength seem to be just about right for our flaps. The price is better than Skyshops...and McMaster-Karr. Any thoughts? Dave Harms 601XL-Corvair ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:54 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Does it involve vodka, rum and a cherry? Sorry, the coffee just kicked in and I haven't seen very many emails today. Memories of Pat O'Briens in New Orleans. Scott "DO NOT ARICHIVE" Laughlin jeffglass@starband.net wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan, please show or explain how to tie a hurricane hitch. Thanks, Jeff Glasserow CH601 HDS N6384E --------------------------------- Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:00 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Red, Red, Green --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy At 09:37 AM 5/18/2005, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > >There's a video link also on that page to show you what it looks >like. Does anybody have first-hand knowledge of the two guys that were >arrested last week for flying too close to the capital? > >Scott Laughlin >www.cooknwithgas.com Yea here is the bumpersticker off the back of one of those guys cars. http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/pnwflying/bumpersticker2.gif Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:30 PM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Zenith-List: C-IDUS update and questions --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page My 601HD C-DIUS made very brief low-level hop at the airfield today. We're going through an initial workout before a real first flight. Things are pretty good. I have a couple of things I needs to fix. My side-mounted float in the header tank developed a leak :( Out comes the Proseal... Anyhow, the test pilot mentioned that he needed a fair amount of right rudder to keep her straight. I can concur on this during my taxi testing this week. Does anyone else have this issue? Should I try and adjust with the turnbuckles or should I install a trim tab? We haven't flown it for real yet, so this might be a moot point once it gets airborne. I'm hoping for a real flight this weekend once I fix the leak and a couple of really small things. Trevor Page 601HD C-IDUS ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:51 PM PST US From: Mike Sinclair Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Kit Builder --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair Suspect this might be the mountain out of a mole hill thing. If you only want to achieve an accuracy of 5 mm (.197, or slightly over 1/8") over a distance of just over 33" (the 840 mm), I suspect that this airplane will still fly! However I would still try to hold it a little closer than that, remember that ast the distance grows, so does the error. And welcome to the world of low and slow! Mike Do Not Archive grusha wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: grusha > > I have recently ordered a full 701 kit that will be shipped in early > July. I've been looking at these posting and have learned some useful > things. I am a first time builder and am looking for any pitfalls that I > should watch out for. For example, from some of the postings I have seen > here, I will be very careful to measure assemblies prior to riveting to > avoid twists in parts like wings and elevator. > > Are there other things that I should be aware of that are non-obvious from > reviewing the plans and the CD? > > I haven't seen anything in the documentation that discusses accuracy as > related to the numbers on the drawings. For example, when a distance is > specified as 840 mm, then is Zenith using the normal > mathematical/engineering convention that this number has two significant > digits (no decimal point, 840 not 840.) and therefore the accuracy is +- 5mm? > > Doug Kandle, Boise ID > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:50 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" "brandioelkers@hotmai.com" , "Damian and Lydia Monyoya" , "jt daly" , "Jay Power" , "JT For All The Drifters" , "karl" , "Kevin Augsburg" , "Mavis Green" , "Michael &Julia" , "Mike and peggy Severs" , , "Nioshi Jackson" , "Randy Harmon" , "scott and ann" , "Scott Laughlin" , "Scott&Ann Nelson" , , "Traveling Man" , "traveling man" Subject: Zenith-List: Kevin's webpage --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Hello Everyone Here is a link to my new website. It is still under construction. https://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds Some of you, I have not talked with in a while. Please drop me a note and tell me how you like my site and check back often to see my progress. Also don't forget to sign my Guestbook. do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered;Plansbuilding. Empenage done; working on wings and engine. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:30 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Kevin's webpage From: "Lance Gingell" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" Oh, I remember my demo that day: http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds/images/Empennage/view_from_above.jpg Brrrr -rrr-rrr Nice one Kevin. ..lance (my EIS-6000 just arrived!) DO NOT ARCHIVE. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinbonds Monyoya; jt daly; Jay Power; JT For All The Drifters; karl; Kevin Augsburg; Mavis Green; Michael Mike and peggy Severs; MikeNICE4@aol.com; Nioshi Jackson; Randy Harmon; scott and ann; Scott Laughlin; Scott Stibbs54@aol.com; Traveling Man; traveling man Subject: Zenith-List: Kevin's webpage --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Hello Everyone Here is a link to my new website. It is still under construction. https://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds Some of you, I have not talked with in a while. Please drop me a note and tell me how you like my site and check back often to see my progress. Also don't forget to sign my Guestbook. do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered;Plansbuilding. Empenage done; working on wings and engine. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:30 PM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Baggage floor --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com I have been wrestling with the baggage floor on my 601XL for some time now. I don't want to rivet it in place because I want to have access to the flap actuator area. Seems like a lot of important work to be done in that area and it would be very difficult to get at it, once that floor is riveted in place. It's also kinda tricky getting it in and out. It's large.....rather awkward to slide in under the longerons,and the gussets in front, etc. And I have been pondering how I'm gonna rivet it underneath the longerons toward the rear of the baggage compartment. Then I read on this list (not sure who or when because I've been searching the archives a lot lately) that someone cut the floor in half...installed the rear half and left the front half clecoed in place (meaning removable). What a great idea!! That's what I did today. I removed the "L" angle from the center of the baggage floor and substituted a "U" channel about 1 1/2 inches wide. I drilled a second row of holes about 20 mm from the first row and centered the channel under the two rows of holes. Then I cut the baggage floor in half between the rows of holes. The top longerons are still removable, so I was able to rivet the rear baggage floor to the side supports ("L" angles). The rear of the baggage floor is now riveted in place, and the front half is very easy to remove. I have good access to the flap actuator area..and I shouldn't need to rivet the front half of the floor in place until much later in the building process. I'm not sure who came up with this idea. I can't take credit for it. But it really makes sense to me. And I think it ought to be a standard feature on the kit itself. Dave Harms 601XL - Corvair ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:12 PM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Baggage floor --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema I'm a 701 builder but I'll share. Instead of rivets use rivnuts. The 6-32 size worked well in a couple close places on my plane. AC Spruce has an adapter which permits you to install with an ordinary manual or air puller and your floor would be held down under pan head 6-32 x 3x8 screws (or bolts if you prefer)VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com > >I have been wrestling with the baggage floor on my 601XL for some time now. >I don't want to rivet it in place because I want to have access to the flap >actuator area. Seems like a lot of important work to be done in that area >and it would be very difficult to get at it, once that floor is riveted in >place. It's also kinda tricky getting it in and out. It's large.....rather >awkward to slide in under the longerons,and the gussets in front, etc. And I >have been pondering how I'm gonna rivet it underneath the longerons toward the >rear of the baggage compartment. > >Then I read on this list (not sure who or when because I've been searching >the archives a lot lately) that someone cut the floor in half...installed the >rear half and left the front half clecoed in place (meaning removable). What >a great idea!! That's what I did today. I removed the "L" angle from the >center of the baggage floor and substituted a "U" channel about 1 1/2 inches >wide. I drilled a second row of holes about 20 mm from the first row and >centered the channel under the two rows of holes. Then I cut the baggage floor >in half between the rows of holes. The top longerons are still removable, >so I was able to rivet the rear baggage floor to the side supports ("L" >angles). The rear of the baggage floor is now riveted in place, and the front half >is very easy to remove. I have good access to the flap actuator area..and I >shouldn't need to rivet the front half of the floor in place until much later >in the building process. > >I'm not sure who came up with this idea. I can't take credit for it. But >it really makes sense to me. And I think it ought to be a standard feature on >the kit itself. > >Dave Harms >601XL - Corvair > > > > VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com > >I have been wrestling with the baggage floor on my 601XL for some time now. >I don't want to rivet it in place because I want to have access to the flap >actuator area. Seems like a lot of important work to be done in that area >and it would be very difficult to get at it, once that floor is riveted in >place. It's also kinda tricky getting it in and out. It's large.....rather >awkward to slide in under the longerons,and the gussets in front, etc. And I >have been pondering how I'm gonna rivet it underneath the longerons toward the >rear of the baggage compartment. > >Then I read on this list (not sure who or when because I've been searching >the archives a lot lately) that someone cut the floor in half...installed the >rear half and left the front half clecoed in place (meaning removable). What >a great idea!! That's what I did today. I removed the "L" angle from the >center of the baggage floor and substituted a "U" channel about 1 1/2 inches >wide. I drilled a second row of holes about 20 mm from the first row and >centered the channel under the two rows of holes. Then I cut the baggage floor >in half between the rows of holes. The top longerons are still removable, >so I was able to rivet the rear baggage floor to the side supports ("L" >angles). The rear of the baggage floor is now riveted in place, and the front half >is very easy to remove. I have good access to the flap actuator area..and I >shouldn't need to rivet the front half of the floor in place until much later >in the building process. > >I'm not sure who came up with this idea. I can't take credit for it. But >it really makes sense to me. And I think it ought to be a standard feature on >the kit itself. > >Dave Harms >601XL - Corvair > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:07 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap actuators --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com In a message dated 5/18/2005 3:26:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, VideoFlyer@aol.com writes: http://www.firgelliauto.com/cat10_1.htm It looks like you hit a home run with these. I have been looking for different ones and this looks like the best deal. I sent them an inquiry about the limit switches, whether they are in fact adjustable or not, if they are I will order one for my 701. Thanks Bob Spudis fuselage 70% ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tying the tail? From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin Try this link: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.kenmarson.com/Tie%2520do wn%2520Knots.pdf&e=9707 The pictures at the end of the article show how to tie a hurricane hitch, although the article calls them double half-hitches. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. on 5/18/05 2:04 PM, jeffglass@starband.net at jeffglass@starband.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > Bryan, please show or explain how to tie a hurricane hitch. > Thanks, > Jeff Glasserow > CH601 HDS > N6384E > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin >> >> >> That's pretty much the way I was taught back when I started taking >> lessons at the Navy Flying Club at NAS Memphis. For small aircraft, you >> should use ropes pulled snug tied with hurricane hitches. The ropes will >> stretch and absorb shock loads. >>