---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/20/05: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/16/05 (Matt Keyes) 2. 05:31 AM - possible zinc chromate source (Zed Smith) 3. 05:31 AM - Water temps and thermostat (Grant Corriveau) 4. 05:42 AM - Re: Flap actuators (NYTerminat@aol.com) 5. 06:47 AM - Re: Flap actuators (N5SL) 6. 06:47 AM - Re: Water temps and thermostat (Larry McFarland) 7. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/16/05 (Todd Osborne) 8. 07:03 AM - Re: Flap actuators (NYTerminat@aol.com) 9. 07:45 AM - Bungee Cord Life (Fred Kirkland) 10. 08:07 AM - Re: 601XL Main Gear (Hunt Malcolm) 11. 08:49 AM - Re: Bungee Cord Life (Richard McLachlan) 12. 08:57 AM - Re: 601XL Main Gear (Rodney Mills) 13. 09:23 AM - Re: Bungee Cord Life (Don Walker) 14. 11:01 AM - Re: Bungee Cord Life (Leo Corbalis) 15. 11:06 AM - Re: 601XL Main Gear () 16. 11:21 AM - Gas Welding (N5SL) 17. 01:41 PM - Re: Bungee Cord Life (royt.or@netzero.com) 18. 02:52 PM - Re: Gas Welding (jnbolding1) 19. 06:00 PM - Re: Water temps and thermostat (Michel Therrien) 20. 07:32 PM - Shop Lighting (Dave VanLanen) 21. 08:02 PM - Re: Oil temps (Jim and Lucy) 22. 08:02 PM - Re: Shop Lighting (Frank Stutzman) 23. 08:24 PM - Re: Shop Lighting (N5SL) 24. 08:24 PM - Re: Gas Welding (NYTerminat@aol.com) 25. 08:31 PM - Re: Shop Lighting (Leo Corbalis) 26. 08:32 PM - Re: Shop Lighting (Leo Gates) 27. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: Bungee Cord Life (Fred Kirkland) 28. 09:58 PM - LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? (Graham Kirby) 29. 10:09 PM - Re: Shop Lighting (Craig Payne) 30. 10:55 PM - Re: Shop Lighting (kevinbonds) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:48 AM PST US From: Matt Keyes Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/16/05 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Keyes Hello Listers, I am getting going on my rudder kit and have followed the zinc chromate string closely. I want to protect the inside of my airplane as I build and understand zinc chromate is not compatible with many top coat finishes. It makes sense to me to stick with one type of primer system that will protect the interior as well as exterior and provide a good mating surface for the top coat on the exterior. Also, most of the local automotive parts stores are not even carrying zinc chromate anymore. What primer systems have others used or recommend? Sincerely, Matt Keyes --------------------------------- Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:18 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: possible zinc chromate source --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith Matt, Can't speak for compatibility of zinc chromate with all final finshes, but the chromate can be found in several places not normally considered. Mom-and-Pop hardware stores, non-chain paint outlets, firms that sell steel & sheet metal for the building trades, etc, are just a few. Normally in gallons, it comes in yellow and red. I found a store with five one-gallon cans at $19 each. They'd had it in stock for some time and seemed excited that I was interested. Also, no Haz-Mat shipping charges. I probably didn't need a whole gallon, but considering whatever new laws the tree-huggers might enact next, I got one. The can was still properly sealed, contents good as new. May have been slightly politically incorrect in my comments, but that's life in "Dubya" land. Regards, Zed/701/R912/90+% do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Water temps and thermostat From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Am I expecting too much from my cooling system? When I drive my car, the water temp is regulated pretty much on the T-setting of the thermostat... the point where the T-stat valve opens and closes. In my airplane the temp rides at some higher temp where the cooling system is running 'full open' and can't bring down the temp any more. This is a problem while taxying especially on a hot day. Let's say I just landed and taxxied in and then want to go out again. The temp while taxiing in will have maxxed out to 210 degrees or slightly more, so now when I start up to taxii out, there's no way to cool the engine .... I'm interested in other experiences with water-cooled engines - especially the auto conversions (i.e. Rotaxes have a hybrid air/water cooling that might give different results)... Does anyone have such a great cooling system on their auto-conversion engine that engine temp is a 'non issue' just like when driving a car? I.e. No concerns while taxiing; cruising with temps around 190 or less? .... If so, how did you achieve that? thanks, -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:59 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap actuators --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com In a message dated 5/19/2005 2:38:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfivesl@yahoo.com writes: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_27_04_Actuator.JPG Scott Thanks very much for sharing how you did your setup for the flap actuator. The 701 is set up different but maybe the adjustment idea can be used. Thanks again, I know how much time it takes to answer in the format that you did. It was in a very logical sequence and the pictures are worth thousands of words. I don't have the gas welding set up but I am good with mig welding, would that be OK to use for parts like the ones you did? Bob ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:21 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap actuators --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Bob: I'm glad the photos were helpful. With the wire-feed or "MIG" welder I have, I am unable to weld thin chromoly with success. It burns through it a lot and I can't make sure I'm getting a good weld when it does stick. My MIG welder has it's place with thicker material, but not with applications such as this. You may have better skills and/or better equipment than I have since mine is a low-end wire-feed welder. I've tried it with flux-core wire and also argon gas for flux on plain wire. In my opinion a small gas-welding outfit makes a great addition to any shop. I prepared an article for KitPlanes on setting up such an outfit that was published in two parts in Dec. 04 and January of this year. I'd be glad to send you the M.S. Word version or a photocopy of that document if you are interested in learning to gas weld. I'm no expert, but I documented the process of obtaining the bottles, having them filled, selecting a torch, etc. Once you have the ability to gas weld, you won't use your MIG much anymore on thin metal. I will add that the MIG welder does an excellent job of tacking parts in place (without melting the aluminum below) prior to removing the part and gas-welding on parts such as the entry steps and engine mount. Scott Laughlin N5SL (Reserved) www.cooknwithgas.com Painting my Engine Block NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: I don't have the gas welding set up but I am good with mig welding, would that be OK to use for parts like the ones you did? Bob ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:25 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Water temps and thermostat --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Grant, My Rabbit diesel radiator was rather inefficient because the air bunched up in front of the radiator head and hoses and would essentially just go around it. I added an intake that smoothly separates air flow around the intake hoses and the radiator head. The intake also diverts air below and louvers add a bit to the negative draft. I don't have any cooling issues on a long taxi on a really hot day, even with the radiator 38" back from the firewall.. Would have liked to stay internal with my cooling, but I wanted to solve the problem so many seemed to have with the standard ZAC design. See picture of radiator at this address. Other pics are on the completions page. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/radiatorintake.gif Larry McFarland - 601HDS Grant Corriveau wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > >Am I expecting too much from my cooling system? When I drive my car, the >water temp is regulated pretty much on the T-setting of the thermostat... >the point where the T-stat valve opens and closes. > >In my airplane the temp rides at some higher temp where the cooling system >is running 'full open' and can't bring down the temp any more. This is a >problem while taxying especially on a hot day. Let's say I just landed and >taxxied in and then want to go out again. The temp while taxiing in will >have maxxed out to 210 degrees or slightly more, so now when I start up to >taxii out, there's no way to cool the engine .... > >I'm interested in other experiences with water-cooled engines - especially >the auto conversions (i.e. Rotaxes have a hybrid air/water cooling that >might give different results)... > >Does anyone have such a great cooling system on their auto-conversion engine >that engine temp is a 'non issue' just like when driving a car? I.e. No >concerns while taxiing; cruising with temps around 190 or less? .... If so, >how did you achieve that? > >thanks, > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:50 AM PST US From: Todd Osborne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/16/05 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne Well you don't need to use Zinc Chromate on the outside of the plane, only internal parts. I use Zinc Phosphate myself, Wicks has been stocking it (though only after my request). I have heard good things about it, and it is not nearly as dangerous (still protect yourself though) as chromate. Todd Matt Keyes wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Keyes > > Hello Listers, > > I am getting going on my rudder kit and have followed the zinc chromate string closely. I want to protect the inside of my airplane as I build and understand zinc chromate is not compatible with many top coat finishes. It makes sense to me to stick with one type of primer system that will protect the interior as well as exterior and provide a good mating surface for the top coat on the exterior. Also, most of the local automotive parts stores are not even carrying zinc chromate anymore. What primer systems have others used or recommend? > > Sincerely, > > > Matt Keyes > > > --------------------------------- > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour > > > > > > -- Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:44 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap actuators --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com Scott I would definitely be interested in the article, I have a set of cutting torches and gas. I have not tried any welding with gas. Thanks Bob Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:52 AM PST US From: "Fred Kirkland" Subject: Zenith-List: Bungee Cord Life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred Kirkland" I am ready to install my landing gear on my HDS. The kit was originally sold in 1996. So far as I know the bungees have been stored out of the sun and they look like new but is there deterioration due to age? What is the life expectancy of the bungees? Have you changed yours and if so how long did they last? Thanx, Fred ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear From: "Hunt Malcolm" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" Paul Do these costs include wheels, axles, brakes and tires? or are they just for the firbreglass gear legs. Best regards Malcolm Just started in England. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of PAULROD36@msn.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rodney, I am just now in the process of ordering a set of main gear from Chip Erwin at Czech Air Works. When I asked him initially, he quoted a 20 pound weight saving, and roughly $950. The bucks may fluctuate, but the weight saving (I'm also using Corvair power) sure sounded good. You may want to czech (pun intended) with him, too. Paul Rodriguez 601XL/Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Mills To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rodney Mills > I have been lurking for quite some time and have gotten a lot of good information from this list. I am about to order the remainder of 601 XL kit and am trying to decide on Zenith maingear or Grove. Searched the archives and didn't get enough info to decide. Any suggestions? Is there anyone that has the Grove gear installed and what are the thoughts on using it. I will be using nose gear from Zenith with possible wheel change. Thanks Rodney Mills Northport,AL 601XL Corvair Empenage done. Engine built to longblock stage. 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Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:24 AM PST US From: "Richard McLachlan" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bungee Cord Life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" We find the nose one lasts about 100 hours of use before it starts to fray and needs changing. It is a 1080HD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Kirkland" Subject: Zenith-List: Bungee Cord Life > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred Kirkland" > > I am ready to install my landing gear on my HDS. The kit was originally sold in 1996. So far as I know the bungees have been stored out of the sun and they look like new but is there deterioration due to age? What is the life expectancy of the bungees? Have you changed yours and if so how long did they last? > Thanx, > Fred > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:00 AM PST US From: Rodney Mills Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Main Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rodney Mills Paul and Brett, Thanks for the replies. I will follow up on both. do not archive Rodney Mills 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:54 AM PST US From: "Don Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bungee Cord Life Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:22:58 -0500 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" I got mine in 93. first flew with them in 99. they now have 360+ hrs on them and seem to function about like they always have. Still look good on inspection. Don Walker HDS ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Kirkland To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Bungee Cord Life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred Kirkland" > I am ready to install my landing gear on my HDS. The kit was originally sold in 1996. So far as I know the bungees have been stored out of the sun and they look like new but is there deterioration due to age? What is the life expectancy of the bungees? Have you changed yours and if so how long did they last? Thanx, Fred ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:50 AM PST US From: "Leo Corbalis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bungee Cord Life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" I bought my 601 HDS kit in 1992, including the bungees. I just replced them last month. They had streched so that with the plane parked and empty the gear tops were about 1/2 inch above the wing. This had no effect on the gear as far as I could tell. I always grease em on (in my dreams). Leo Corbalis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Kirkland" Subject: Zenith-List: Bungee Cord Life > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred Kirkland" > > I am ready to install my landing gear on my HDS. The kit was originally > sold in 1996. So far as I know the bungees have been stored out of the > sun and they look like new but is there deterioration due to age? What is > the life expectancy of the bungees? Have you changed yours and if so how > long did they last? > Thanx, > Fred > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:02 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:05:08 -0500 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Malcolm, When I originally contacted him, all I asked about was main gear. Since then, I've refined it to main gear less tires and tubes, and added the attachment brackets, so I don't yet know what the final price will be. I received an order confirmation from his assistant, and she will get back to me shortly with the invoice total, and air freight costs, which I'll share with the List. Paul Rodriguez 601XL/Corvair/Taildragger still slogging through the fuselage DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt Malcolm To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:07 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" > Paul Do these costs include wheels, axles, brakes and tires? or are they just for the firbreglass gear legs. Best regards Malcolm Just started in England. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of PAULROD36@msn.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: > Rodney, I am just now in the process of ordering a set of main gear from Chip Erwin at Czech Air Works. When I asked him initially, he quoted a 20 pound weight saving, and roughly $950. The bucks may fluctuate, but the weight saving (I'm also using Corvair power) sure sounded good. You may want to czech (pun intended) with him, too. Paul Rodriguez 601XL/Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Mills> To: zenith-list@matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rodney Mills >> I have been lurking for quite some time and have gotten a lot of good information from this list. I am about to order the remainder of 601 XL kit and am trying to decide on Zenith maingear or Grove. Searched the archives and didn't get enough info to decide. Any suggestions? Is there anyone that has the Grove gear installed and what are the thoughts on using it. I will be using nose gear from Zenith with possible wheel change. Thanks Rodney Mills Northport,AL 601XL Corvair Empenage done. Engine built to longblock stage. Your attention is drawn to the fact that this email originated from a source external to Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:30 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Zenith-List: Gas Welding 0.27 USERPASS URI": URL.contains.username.and.password@roxy.matronics.com (optional) --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Bob: You have almost everything you need to start gas welding. I purchased a Meco Midget torch kit from http://www.tinmantech.com/ and it has worked out very well. You would probably only be interested in Part 2 of the welding article, so I scanned and posted it at: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/WeldingPart2.pdf It may take a while to load depending on your connection speed. The article may be a little too elementary for you, but maybe you can pick up a few tips that will get you going with gas welding. Good luck, Scott Laughlin N5SL (Reserved) www.cooknwithgas.com NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: I would definitely be interested in the article, I have a set of cutting torches and gas. I have not tried any welding with gas. Thanks Bob --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:45 PM PST US From: "royt.or@netzero.com" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Bungee Cord Life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" Fred asked: "I am ready to install my landing gear on my HDS. The kit was originally sold in 1996." The bungies on N601RT looked good when I replaced them due to the landing gear failure. The bungies had over 300 hours of flying and over 400 landings when I replaced them. My kit was purchased about 1995 and the first flight was 2003. Zenith now has information and parts to install floating nutplates mounted on an aluminum strip. This replaces the individual nuts on the 28 bolts which hold the lower main gear bearing support in place. I strongly recommend installing these or some other mechanism to allow replacing the bungies without requiring access to the nuts from the top of the wing. Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 331hrs, 431 landings ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:39 PM PST US From: "jnbolding1" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gas Welding --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" The best article I have seen on gas welding is at Budd Davisson's www.airbum.com something like "Zen and the Weld Puddle" LOW&SLOW John >Bob: > >You have almost everything you need to start gas welding. I purchased a Meco Midget torch kit from http://www.tinmantech.com/ and it has worked out very well. You would probably only be interested in Part 2 of the welding article, so I scanned and posted it at: > >http://www.cooknwithgas.com/WeldingPart2.pdf > >It may take a while to load depending on your connection speed. > >The article may be a little too elementary for you, but maybe you can pick up a few tips that will get you going with gas welding. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:54 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Water temps and thermostat --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Hi Grant, I would say that so far mine is a "non issue", but I did not live through the hi-temp of the summer. I wend to Bromont for dinner with my 601. Water temp stayed at 187. I noticed that in some situations, it reaches 210, but I'll say that below 220, I'm not that nervous (the coolant is good for 232 I think). Oil temps is a bit of another thing. With my previous EA-81, Oil temps was always good staying between 200 and 220. With the new engine, it was between 245 and 258 so I decided to install an oil cooler. I did that this week and this evening, oil temp was at 170-180 and topped at 199. I feel it is a bit cool (people tell me it should be above 200 deg). I may block part of the cooler with duct tape but I'll wait for a warmer day before doing this. Michel --- Grant Corriveau wrote: > Am I expecting too much from my cooling system? > When I drive my car, the > water temp is regulated pretty much on the > T-setting of the thermostat... > the point where the T-stat valve opens and closes. > > In my airplane the temp rides at some higher temp > where the cooling system > is running 'full open' and can't bring down the temp > any more. This is a > problem while taxying especially on a hot day. > Let's say I just landed and > taxxied in and then want to go out again. The temp > while taxiing in will > have maxxed out to 210 degrees or slightly more, so > now when I start up to > taxii out, there's no way to cool the engine .... > > I'm interested in other experiences with > water-cooled engines - especially > the auto conversions (i.e. Rotaxes have a hybrid > air/water cooling that > might give different results)... > > Does anyone have such a great cooling system on > their auto-conversion engine > that engine temp is a 'non issue' just like when > driving a car? I.e. No > concerns while taxiing; cruising with temps around > 190 or less? .... If so, > how did you achieve that? > > thanks, > > -- > Grant Corriveau > C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > > ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:03 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Shop Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" I'm starting to prepare my shop, and one of the things I need to do is add some lighting above the area where I will put my 4' x 12' table. Does anyone on the list have any suggestions for the best overhead lighting to use, or are the trusty old 4' shop lights good enough? Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601XL - registered for workshop, preparing to order kit DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:15 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oil temps --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy At 08:59 PM 5/20/2005, you wrote: >Oil temps is a bit of another thing. With my previous >EA-81, Oil temps was always good staying between 200 >and 220. With the new engine, it was between 245 and >258 so I decided to install an oil cooler. I did that >this week and this evening, oil temp was at 170-180 >and topped at 199. I feel it is a bit cool (people >tell me it should be above 200 deg). I may block part >of the cooler with duct tape but I'll wait for a >warmer day before doing this. > >Michel Hi Michel I don't think that your oil temps are too cold. A lot of our big diesels run at 80c which is 176f. They have giant rads so the temp never goes higher no matter how hard I run them. Some may claim you need it at 212 to get rid of the water from combustion blow by. If you take some water and put it on a 176 degree hot plate it will not last there very long. It is not likely to sludge up the oil at these temps. Jim Pollard replanting corn ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:29 PM PST US From: Frank Stutzman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shop Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman On Fri, 20 May 2005, Dave VanLanen wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > I'm starting to prepare my shop, and one of the things I need to do is add > some lighting above the area where I will put my 4' x 12' table. Does > anyone on the list have any suggestions for the best overhead lighting to > use, or are the trusty old 4' shop lights good enough? You are a bit further along than I am, but I got a wacko idea that I've yet to implement so I don't really know if its feasible. Most of the shop has the typical 4 foot flourecent fixtures. Over the long work bench though I want to put in a overhead track that will suspend some sort of a rolling trolly. On that trolly will be two 2 foot flourescent fixtures plus a halogen spot light. The spot light will be on an articulated arm so I can put it whereever I want. In my better Rube Goldberg moments I try to figure out how to get an air line attached to the trolly. And a power strip. And, ooo! ooo! a vaccuum. If I really do get the shop tricked out like I want, I won't have the money or energy to build a 701. Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:27 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shop Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL The trusty old 4' shop lights do the trick for me. Scott Laughlin Do Not Archive Dave VanLanen wrote: or are the trusty old 4' shop lights good enough? Dave Van Lanen --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:27 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gas Welding --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com In a message dated 5/20/2005 2:23:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfivesl@yahoo.com writes: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/WeldingPart2.pdf Scott Thanks for the article, slow to load (dial up) but worth the wait. The torch looks nice, I think I saw this at Sun n Fun this year. Another tool to add to the collection. Thanks again Bob ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:16 PM PST US From: "Leo Corbalis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shop Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Corbalis" Yes if you get enough. I used 3 fixtures above each long side, maybe a little toward the inside. Leo Corbalis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith-List: Shop Lighting > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > > I'm starting to prepare my shop, and one of the things I need to do is add > some lighting above the area where I will put my 4' x 12' table. Does > anyone on the list have any suggestions for the best overhead lighting to > use, or are the trusty old 4' shop lights good enough? > > Dave Van Lanen > Madison, WI > 601XL - registered for workshop, preparing to order kit > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:19 PM PST US From: "Leo Gates" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shop Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" Mine are "New" 4' shop lights. I am 70 with the usual need for better lighting at my age. The shop lights work fine. Oh, I do use a pencil flashlight, on occasion, to peer into a dark corner to check for spiders. Leo Gates N601Z, 47.5 Hrs. -------Original Message------- From: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Shop Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" I'm starting to prepare my shop, and one of the things I need to do is add some lighting above the area where I will put my 4' x 12' table. Does anyone on the list have any suggestions for the best overhead lighting to use, or are the trusty old 4' shop lights good enough? Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601XL - registered for workshop, preparing to order kit DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:19 PM PST US From: "Fred Kirkland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Bungee Cord Life --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred Kirkland" Got a picture of what that looks like? ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:49 PM PST US From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: Zenith-List: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" I noticed that Aircraft Spruce is carrying a new LED based wingtip light/strobe system: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/ledwingtips.php Has anybody got any experience of this product? I'm thinking of using it instead of the usual aeroflash system. Hopefully it will draw less power and not have the problem with failing capacitors that was discussed a couple of months ago.. Thanks, Graham Kirby 601HD ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:18 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Shop Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne One thing to watch out for: if your shop is not part of the house and relatively cold (like mine) then standard florescent lamps may not work well (slow starts, flicker, short life). You need fixtures with ballasts and lamps designed for lower temperatures. Or maybe you live in Florida. -- Craig Dave VanLanen wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > I'm starting to prepare my shop, and one of the things I need to do is add > some lighting above the area where I will put my 4' x 12' table. Does > anyone on the list have any suggestions for the best overhead lighting to > use, or are the trusty old 4' shop lights good enough? > > Dave Van Lanen > Madison, WI > 601XL - registered for workshop, preparing to order kit > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:21 PM PST US From: "kevinbonds" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Shop Lighting --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" Madison, Wisconsin is a long way from Florida. I guess you missed that, Craig. So your advice is especially pertinent. do not archive DO NOT ARCHIVE Kevin Bonds Nashville TN 601XL Corvair powered;Plansbuilding. Empenage done; working on wings an engine. http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Or maybe you live in Florida. -- Craig Dave VanLanen wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave VanLanen" > > Dave Van Lanen > Madison, WI > 601XL - registered for workshop, preparing to order kit > > DO NOT ARCHIVE