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1. 07:54 AM - Fuel pumpless CH 701 (Bil R)
2. 08:55 AM - Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? (Chuck Deiterich)
3. 09:20 AM - Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Cdngoose)
4. 09:23 AM - Re: My First Question to the List, Best Way to Order (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
6. 11:13 AM - Re: Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Ed Kramer)
7. 01:22 PM - Re: Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Craig Payne)
8. 02:05 PM - Re: Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Randy Stout)
9. 04:49 PM - Stall Fences ()
10. 04:57 PM - Flying with the Doors Off ()
11. 05:00 PM - 701 Panel Thickness ()
12. 05:07 PM - Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate ()
13. 05:32 PM - Re: Flying with the Doors Off (Cdngoose)
14. 05:33 PM - Re: Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate (Cdngoose)
15. 07:33 PM - Re: Flying with the Doors Off (Larry Martin)
16. 08:49 PM - Re: 701 Panel Thickness (Chuck Deiterich)
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| Subject: | Fuel pumpless CH 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bil R" <bilrags@intergate.com>
Has anyone operated a 912 on a CH 701 without a fuel pump? I am removing my
10 gallon fuselage tank and installing wing tanks. Will the wing tanks
gravity feed the 912 without a fuel pump?
PS Anybody need a 10 gallon fuselage tank with capacitive sender and gauge?
Thanks, Bil
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| Subject: | Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
What does the FAA require for the intensity (candelas) of position lights.
I think the aft white light intensity is different than the wing tip red and
green lights. I realize it is a bit more complicated than just intensity,
they also have viewing angle requirements which I have found.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts?
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| Subject: | Off Topic but plane related Maybe |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi Folks, I just got a Palm M130 with 1 gig memory and I was wondering
what I can use this for in the world of aviation. Anyone have
suggestions for software for the plane? I know it's not the newest or
fastest but I wanted to try one first to see if it is useful in my
world.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | My First Question to the List, Best Way to Order |
Materials for a Plansbuild
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Materials for a Plansbuild
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: My First Question to the List, Best Way to Order Materials
for a Plansbuild
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Hello All,
I had just got a quote from Yarde around 4 weeks ago, and all of their prices were
about $10 HIGHER, than Spruce and Wicks. I was really shocked. I had earlier
quotes from them and just like everybody has been stating, they were around
1/3rd of the cost.
Keith
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of kevinbonds
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: My First Question to the List, Best Way to Order Materials
for a Plansbuild
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
If you really have to ship it. I would call the Yarde first. but price
all of the above, The Yarde 3 months ago had 4x12 .016 sheets of 6061 T-6
for about 1/3 the cost of either wicks or Aircraft Spruce, $46 per sheet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Wow! I paid about $28 a sheet for the .016 a year ago from Yarde Metals.
They've really gone up. Still better than the others though. Some of my
stuff was $1.85 a pound. Shipping was like $149 from Connecticut to Nasville
Yellow Freight (Yarde's price). Ask them to set up shipping for you at there
discount rate. They originally quoted me about $500 using the carrier I
chose.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.
Empennage done; working on wings and engine.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Off Topic but plane related Maybe
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Hey Mark,
Try this link ---- http://www.pocketfms.com/
I found it from this link --- http://geocities.com/glass_cockpit/colormap/index.html
I downloaded the little demo onto my iPAQ. It runs, but I do not have a GPS receiver
that I can use with my iPAQ, to see how well it works in the real world.
Good Luck,
Keith
CH701 -- still hand digging through decomposed Granite (only about 15 yards to
go, whew!!!!)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Cdngoose
Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic but plane related Maybe
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi Folks, I just got a Palm M130 with 1 gig memory and I was wondering
what I can use this for in the world of aviation. Anyone have
suggestions for software for the plane? I know it's not the newest or
fastest but I wanted to try one first to see if it is useful in my
world.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Off Topic but plane related Maybe |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cdngoose
Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic but plane related Maybe
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi Folks, I just got a Palm M130 with 1 gig memory and I was wondering
what I can use this for in the world of aviation. Anyone have
suggestions for software for the plane? I know it's not the newest or
fastest but I wanted to try one first to see if it is useful in my
world.
Mark,
Try http://www.pocketgear.com
Ed Kramer
CH701
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic but plane related Maybe |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
There are tons of aviation applications for Palms. Here is one collection:
http://www.palmsource.com/interests/aviation/
-- Craig
Cdngoose wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Hi Folks, I just got a Palm M130 with 1 gig memory and I was wondering
> what I can use this for in the world of aviation. Anyone have
> suggestions for software for the plane? I know it's not the newest or
> fastest but I wanted to try one first to see if it is useful in my
> world.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
> President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
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| Subject: | Off Topic but plane related Maybe |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
There is a bunch of programs at http://www.palmflying.com/index.html . Some
are freeware, some are shareware. I haven't found any that I really like.
Some have locked up my PDA.
I just got an iPaq about a month ago. I thought I would use it for
navagation. So far I have not been impressed. The screen is a bit dim for
use in a bubble canopy. I can turn up the brightness, but the battery won't
last very long like that. The stylus is not easy to use inflight either. I
also need a special cable to hook my GPS up to the PDA. Somehow I feel it
is a lot simpler and cheaper to just use my Magelllan 315 GPS for
navagation.
I do have a couple of Excel spreadsheets that are useful. I'm not sure if
you can open Excel spreadsheets on your Palm or not, but I can forward them
to you if you are interested. One is for a quick check of the W&B. Punch in
the weight for pilot, passenger, baggage and gallons of fuel. Outputs Gross
weight and C/G. The other I think I found on someone web site (don't
remember who). You fly 3 different headings, record GPS speed, and heading,
then input into spreadsheet. Outputs true airspeed, wind direction and wind
speed. It's great for verfiying your airspeed indicator.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: Cdngoose <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/22/2005 11:20:20 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic but plane related Maybe
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Hi Folks, I just got a Palm M130 with 1 gig memory and I was wondering
> what I can use this for in the world of aviation. Anyone have
> suggestions for software for the plane? I know it's not the newest or
> fastest but I wanted to try one first to see if it is useful in my
> world.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
> President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Anyone ever seen stall fences on a 701? I imagine they could be placed
where the flaperon changes angle of attack at about mid wing. And, would
they do anything on an aircraft that already flies so slowly?
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
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| Subject: | Flying with the Doors Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
I can imagine flying the 701 a lot with the doors off. I think it would be
a blast and offer a spectacular view.
Can anyone speak to its flying qualities with no doors? From the 701 I have
seen in person, it appears that aft of the door opening, the rear fuselage
is wider than the forward fuselage, and I am wondering if this adds tons of
drag and hurts the flying qualities.
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
Plans Building
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| Subject: | 701 Panel Thickness |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
From my new plans, it appears that the 701's instrument panel is very thin.
A couple of books I have read talk about panels made of much thicker
aluminum. Any thoughts on what thickness works best for the panel?
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
Plans Building
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| Subject: | Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
As a new builder in a salt air environment I was wondering about long term
corrosion protection. If I treat all internal parts with zinc chromate now
during the building process, can I treat the internals later (2, 4, 6 years
later) with Corrosion X or ACF 50? In other words, can these types of
products be sprayed over ZC?
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
Plans Building
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| Subject: | Flying with the Doors Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
A 701 without doors attached is truly a BLAST, you wouldn't want to do
any long distance but for around the patch it is great. One thing I
would do though is to install a way to block off the Baggage
compartment. I have seen where a fellow who installed heavy weight
upholstery at the opening of the compartment, with the doors on it was
unzipped and out of sight which left the baggage compartment wide open.
With the doors off he zipped up the fabric and it was like a wall behind
your head.
This does two things , it improves the flying qualities of the 701 with
the doors off and it make the plane a whole lot quieter zipped up then
wide open. Kinda like rolling up the windows halfway in a convertible.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
I can imagine flying the 701 a lot with the doors off. I think it would
be
a blast and offer a spectacular view.
Can anyone speak to its flying qualities with no doors? From the 701 I
have
seen in person, it appears that aft of the door opening, the rear
fuselage
is wider than the forward fuselage, and I am wondering if this adds tons
of
drag and hurts the flying qualities.
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
Plans Building
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| Subject: | Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Use Zinc Chromate now and in 50 years it will still be working like day
1
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
burkeandsusan@verizon.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
As a new builder in a salt air environment I was wondering about long
term
corrosion protection. If I treat all internal parts with zinc chromate
now
during the building process, can I treat the internals later (2, 4, 6
years
later) with Corrosion X or ACF 50? In other words, can these types of
products be sprayed over ZC?
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
Plans Building
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with the Doors Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
The RAF-2000 gyros I've flown have the same set up, rear is wider than
front. And yes it adds a lot of drag. Awful windy and noisy in there too.
It's really neat if you don't mind all that air.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Flying with the Doors Off
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
>
> I can imagine flying the 701 a lot with the doors off. I think it would
be
> a blast and offer a spectacular view.
>
>
> Can anyone speak to its flying qualities with no doors? From the 701 I
have
> seen in person, it appears that aft of the door opening, the rear fuselage
> is wider than the forward fuselage, and I am wondering if this adds tons
of
> drag and hurts the flying qualities.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Burke Johnson
>
> Irvington, VA
>
> Plans Building
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Panel Thickness |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Burke,
My 701 is from a kit and the panel is .025". I added stiffeners to the back
of the panel and it works well. see www.geocities.com/cffd66 and look under
airplane and instrument panel.
Be careful about adding weight as the heavier the dry weight, the less you
can carry. My dry weight is 550 lbs. The wings are not painted yet. But
the fuselage and tail paint is less than 4 lbs. NAPA 1989 ford pickup
yellow, two coats over zinc chromate primer. I tell you about the paint, as
it does not have to add a lot of weight. My painting is not the best but
it does the job.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Panel Thickness
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
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