---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/22/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:54 AM - Fuel pumpless CH 701 (Bil R) 2. 08:55 AM - Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? (Chuck Deiterich) 3. 09:20 AM - Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Cdngoose) 4. 09:23 AM - Re: My First Question to the List, Best Way to Order (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 5. 10:50 AM - Re: Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 6. 11:13 AM - Re: Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Ed Kramer) 7. 01:22 PM - Re: Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Craig Payne) 8. 02:05 PM - Re: Off Topic but plane related Maybe (Randy Stout) 9. 04:49 PM - Stall Fences () 10. 04:57 PM - Flying with the Doors Off () 11. 05:00 PM - 701 Panel Thickness () 12. 05:07 PM - Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate () 13. 05:32 PM - Re: Flying with the Doors Off (Cdngoose) 14. 05:33 PM - Re: Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate (Cdngoose) 15. 07:33 PM - Re: Flying with the Doors Off (Larry Martin) 16. 08:49 PM - Re: 701 Panel Thickness (Chuck Deiterich) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:03 AM PST US From: "Bil R" Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel pumpless CH 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bil R" Has anyone operated a 912 on a CH 701 without a fuel pump? I am removing my 10 gallon fuselage tank and installing wing tanks. Will the wing tanks gravity feed the 912 without a fuel pump? PS Anybody need a 10 gallon fuselage tank with capacitive sender and gauge? Thanks, Bil ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:19 AM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" What does the FAA require for the intensity (candelas) of position lights. I think the aft white light intensity is different than the wing tip red and green lights. I realize it is a bit more complicated than just intensity, they also have viewing angle requirements which I have found. Chuck D. N701TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Page" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:58 AM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic but plane related Maybe --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Hi Folks, I just got a Palm M130 with 1 gig memory and I was wondering what I can use this for in the world of aviation. Anyone have suggestions for software for the plane? I know it's not the newest or fastest but I wanted to try one first to see if it is useful in my world. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:31 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: My First Question to the List, Best Way to Order Materials for a Plansbuild de.ittind.com> Materials for a Plansbuild From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" FILETIME=[8BA260C0:01C55EEA] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: My First Question to the List, Best Way to Order Materials for a Plansbuild From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Hello All, I had just got a quote from Yarde around 4 weeks ago, and all of their prices were about $10 HIGHER, than Spruce and Wicks. I was really shocked. I had earlier quotes from them and just like everybody has been stating, they were around 1/3rd of the cost. Keith ******************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of kevinbonds Subject: RE: Zenith-List: My First Question to the List, Best Way to Order Materials for a Plansbuild --> Zenith-List message posted by: "kevinbonds" If you really have to ship it. I would call the Yarde first. but price all of the above, The Yarde 3 months ago had 4x12 .016 sheets of 6061 T-6 for about 1/3 the cost of either wicks or Aircraft Spruce, $46 per sheet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I paid about $28 a sheet for the .016 a year ago from Yarde Metals. They've really gone up. Still better than the others though. Some of my stuff was $1.85 a pound. Shipping was like $149 from Connecticut to Nasville Yellow Freight (Yarde's price). Ask them to set up shipping for you at there discount rate. They originally quoted me about $500 using the carrier I chose. 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Mark, Try http://www.pocketgear.com Ed Kramer CH701 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:50 PM PST US From: Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Off Topic but plane related Maybe --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne There are tons of aviation applications for Palms. Here is one collection: http://www.palmsource.com/interests/aviation/ -- Craig Cdngoose wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > Hi Folks, I just got a Palm M130 with 1 gig memory and I was wondering > what I can use this for in the world of aviation. Anyone have > suggestions for software for the plane? I know it's not the newest or > fastest but I wanted to try one first to see if it is useful in my > world. > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 > President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter > www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:04 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Off Topic but plane related Maybe --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" There is a bunch of programs at http://www.palmflying.com/index.html . Some are freeware, some are shareware. I haven't found any that I really like. Some have locked up my PDA. I just got an iPaq about a month ago. I thought I would use it for navagation. So far I have not been impressed. The screen is a bit dim for use in a bubble canopy. I can turn up the brightness, but the battery won't last very long like that. The stylus is not easy to use inflight either. I also need a special cable to hook my GPS up to the PDA. Somehow I feel it is a lot simpler and cheaper to just use my Magelllan 315 GPS for navagation. I do have a couple of Excel spreadsheets that are useful. I'm not sure if you can open Excel spreadsheets on your Palm or not, but I can forward them to you if you are interested. One is for a quick check of the W&B. Punch in the weight for pilot, passenger, baggage and gallons of fuel. Outputs Gross weight and C/G. The other I think I found on someone web site (don't remember who). You fly 3 different headings, record GPS speed, and heading, then input into spreadsheet. Outputs true airspeed, wind direction and wind speed. It's great for verfiying your airspeed indicator. Randy Stout n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > [Original Message] > From: Cdngoose <601xl@sympatico.ca> > To: > Date: 5/22/2005 11:20:20 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic but plane related Maybe > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > Hi Folks, I just got a Palm M130 with 1 gig memory and I was wondering > what I can use this for in the world of aviation. Anyone have > suggestions for software for the plane? I know it's not the newest or > fastest but I wanted to try one first to see if it is useful in my > world. > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 > President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter > www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:35 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Stall Fences --> Zenith-List message posted by: Anyone ever seen stall fences on a 701? I imagine they could be placed where the flaperon changes angle of attack at about mid wing. And, would they do anything on an aircraft that already flies so slowly? Burke Johnson Irvington, VA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:49 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Flying with the Doors Off --> Zenith-List message posted by: I can imagine flying the 701 a lot with the doors off. I think it would be a blast and offer a spectacular view. Can anyone speak to its flying qualities with no doors? From the 701 I have seen in person, it appears that aft of the door opening, the rear fuselage is wider than the forward fuselage, and I am wondering if this adds tons of drag and hurts the flying qualities. Thanks, Burke Johnson Irvington, VA Plans Building ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:13 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Panel Thickness --> Zenith-List message posted by: From my new plans, it appears that the 701's instrument panel is very thin. A couple of books I have read talk about panels made of much thicker aluminum. Any thoughts on what thickness works best for the panel? Thanks, Burke Johnson Irvington, VA Plans Building ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:57 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: As a new builder in a salt air environment I was wondering about long term corrosion protection. If I treat all internal parts with zinc chromate now during the building process, can I treat the internals later (2, 4, 6 years later) with Corrosion X or ACF 50? In other words, can these types of products be sprayed over ZC? Thanks, Burke Johnson Irvington, VA Plans Building ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:43 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: re: Zenith-List: Flying with the Doors Off --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> A 701 without doors attached is truly a BLAST, you wouldn't want to do any long distance but for around the patch it is great. One thing I would do though is to install a way to block off the Baggage compartment. I have seen where a fellow who installed heavy weight upholstery at the opening of the compartment, with the doors on it was unzipped and out of sight which left the baggage compartment wide open. With the doors off he zipped up the fabric and it was like a wall behind your head. This does two things , it improves the flying qualities of the 701 with the doors off and it make the plane a whole lot quieter zipped up then wide open. Kinda like rolling up the windows halfway in a convertible. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- --> Zenith-List message posted by: I can imagine flying the 701 a lot with the doors off. I think it would be a blast and offer a spectacular view. Can anyone speak to its flying qualities with no doors? From the 701 I have seen in person, it appears that aft of the door opening, the rear fuselage is wider than the forward fuselage, and I am wondering if this adds tons of drag and hurts the flying qualities. Thanks, Burke Johnson Irvington, VA Plans Building ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:39 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Use Zinc Chromate now and in 50 years it will still be working like day 1 Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of burkeandsusan@verizon.net Subject: Zenith-List: Anti-Corrosion Sprays over Zinc Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: As a new builder in a salt air environment I was wondering about long term corrosion protection. If I treat all internal parts with zinc chromate now during the building process, can I treat the internals later (2, 4, 6 years later) with Corrosion X or ACF 50? In other words, can these types of products be sprayed over ZC? Thanks, Burke Johnson Irvington, VA Plans Building ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:34 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying with the Doors Off --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" The RAF-2000 gyros I've flown have the same set up, rear is wider than front. And yes it adds a lot of drag. Awful windy and noisy in there too. It's really neat if you don't mind all that air. Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Flying with the Doors Off > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > I can imagine flying the 701 a lot with the doors off. I think it would be > a blast and offer a spectacular view. > > > Can anyone speak to its flying qualities with no doors? From the 701 I have > seen in person, it appears that aft of the door opening, the rear fuselage > is wider than the forward fuselage, and I am wondering if this adds tons of > drag and hurts the flying qualities. > > > Thanks, > > > Burke Johnson > > Irvington, VA > > Plans Building > > > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:28 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Panel Thickness --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" Burke, My 701 is from a kit and the panel is .025". I added stiffeners to the back of the panel and it works well. see www.geocities.com/cffd66 and look under airplane and instrument panel. Be careful about adding weight as the heavier the dry weight, the less you can carry. My dry weight is 550 lbs. The wings are not painted yet. But the fuselage and tail paint is less than 4 lbs. NAPA 1989 ford pickup yellow, two coats over zinc chromate primer. I tell you about the paint, as it does not have to add a lot of weight. My painting is not the best but it does the job. Chuck D. N701TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Panel Thickness > --> Zenith-List message posted by: >