Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:04 AM - Jabiru engine reliability (Howard Carter)
2. 01:04 AM - Position light intensity (Howard Carter)
3. 03:56 AM - Re: Position light intensity (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
4. 06:25 AM - Electrical connections (Brad Cohen)
5. 06:45 AM - corrosion proofing (john swanson)
6. 07:05 AM - CH640 Almost ready to fly (Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: 701 Panel Thickness (Larry Martin)
8. 07:27 AM - Re: Electrical connections (Bill Cardell)
9. 07:32 AM - trutrack ()
10. 09:50 AM - Re: Electrical connections (Bryan Martin)
11. 09:59 AM - Re: Position light intensity (Chuck Deiterich)
12. 09:59 AM - Re: Electrical connections (Cdngoose)
13. 10:00 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 05/22/05 (Schemmel, Grant)
14. 10:06 AM - Re: 701 Panel Thickness (Steve Hulland)
15. 10:20 AM - Re: Electrical connections (Larry Martin)
16. 10:21 AM - Re: Electrical connections (N5SL)
17. 12:30 PM - Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? (Graham Kirby)
18. 12:30 PM - corrosion proofing (Gordon)
19. 01:16 PM - Re: Electrical connections (Craig Payne)
20. 02:36 PM - Comm antennas... (Beckman, Rick)
21. 03:25 PM - Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? (Craig Payne)
22. 03:40 PM - Paint quanity (Jack Russell)
23. 03:50 PM - Re: Comm antennas... (Mike Fortunato)
24. 04:22 PM - Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? (Pete Krotje)
25. 04:48 PM - Re: trutrack (royt.or@netzero.com)
26. 04:53 PM - Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
27. 06:17 PM - Re: Paint quanity (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
28. 07:15 PM - Re: Paint quanity (Trevor Page)
29. 08:04 PM - Prime the firewall? (Mark Stauffer)
30. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: trutrack (NYTerminat@aol.com)
31. 09:50 PM - Re: corrosion proofing (Tebenkof@AOL.COM)
32. 10:17 PM - Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? (Craig Payne)
33. 11:02 PM - Re: Prime the firewall? (Jack Russell)
34. 11:26 PM - Re: Electrical connections (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Jabiru engine reliability |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
To the list:
It would be nice to know just what statistics are available regarding
the reliability of the Jabiru engines, particularly the 3300.
If there are any users of Zenith aircraft with Jab engines, please
relate your experience and hours in service.
Of particular interest is the question of RF interference to the radios
and other instruments.
I plan to use a Jab3300 in my CH701, but have begun to hear some dire
stories about the engines and the service from the factory. Som data
would be useful to anyone contemplating using these engines.
Howard Carter
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| Subject: | Position light intensity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Chuck,
the ancient FAA specs measure the pos. lights in *candles*, not candela.
FAR 23.1389. Try to find a modern light meter calibrated in candles!
Whelan claims that their LED lights meet the specs. Might be worth
contacting them to find out how they proved that.
Howard Carter
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| Subject: | Re: Position light intensity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Listers:
No need to contact anyone, since:
"The Luminous Intensity of a source is the number of lumens or rays it
emits. Luminous intensity, candlepower, is expressed in units of candles or
candelas. "
More than you ever wanted to know about measuring light can be found at
_http://www.westsidesystems.com/rays.html_
(http://www.westsidesystems.com/rays.html)
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 100% wings in the crate
N458XL (reserved)
In a message dated 5/23/2005 4:05:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
howado@cwia.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Chuck,
the ancient FAA specs measure the pos. lights in *candles*, not candela.
FAR 23.1389. Try to find a modern light meter calibrated in candles!
Whelan claims that their LED lights meet the specs. Might be worth
contacting them to find out how they proved that.
Howard Carter
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| Subject: | Electrical connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
I am getting ready to install the elevator trim motor assembly and I have a questions
as to which electrical connector everyone has been using.
My plan is to strip and twist the wires, use aircraft grade solder over the stripped
ends to prevent fraying. after that I was going to use the barrel-style
connectors (I know all you electrical-minded folks are cringing at my lack of
correct terminlogy, but at least you know what I'm talking about, right?) Then
I was going to cover the connections with shrink tubing.
The only other options that I can think of is either to tape them together with
electrical tape (the black stuff) or the old "wire nut" connector but I am hesitant
to use these methods in the plane
Thoughts?
Brad Cohen
5-6803
N969BC ( reserved)
hacking away at the tailfeathers
Do not archieve
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| Subject: | corrosion proofing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john swanson <jswanson@up.net>
working on the wing skeletons for ch701
I am using Cortec primer that I got from Zenith
is any one else using it , is it going to be as good as zinc chromate?
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| Subject: | CH640 Almost ready to fly |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Adams Stephen - Doctors Hosp Augusta" <Stephen.Adams@HCAhealthcare.com>
Just a quick update. I had a final inspection by an EAA technical counselor yesterday
and had no squawks. I did a weight and balance today with an empty weight
of 1233 lbs, about 30 lbs heavier than the prototype, leaving me with a useful
load of 967 lbs. I'm happy with that and can probably account for the extra
weight in soundproofing, primer, autopilot and a few extra goodies in the panel.
I was worried after seeing how heavy Jeff's plane was. I did some high speed
taxi runs and boy does it accelerate. I was at 45 kts by the time I glanced
at the oil pressure and back to the ASI. It tracked straight and required almost
no rudder. I plan to have the FAA DAR inspection next week and it should
be in the air soon after!
Steve Adams
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Panel Thickness |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
You might check my site, www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/dash.html. There you
will see that I cut out the original dash panel and installed rubber mounts
I got from www.McMaster.com. Then made a 1/4" oak plywood insert for my
instruments. The insert bolts in eight places to the dash frame. I also
moved it back 2". Other than looks the main reason I did this was assess.
I can now remove the eight Allen screws and remove the entire instrument
panel. I also wired everything down the left side with about 12" extra
wire, which allows me to remove the entire "working" panel outside the
cockpit for maintenance and annuals. That's not to mention the fact that my
instruments are now cushioned against vibration.
I might have added a half pound or so but, so what? It will be well worth
it the first time I have to get behind the instruments.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Panel Thickness
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
>
> Burke,
> My 701 is from a kit and the panel is .025". I added stiffeners to the
back
> of the panel and it works well. see www.geocities.com/cffd66 and look
under
> airplane and instrument panel.
> Be careful about adding weight as the heavier the dry weight, the less you
> can carry. My dry weight is 550 lbs. The wings are not painted yet. But
> the fuselage and tail paint is less than 4 lbs. NAPA 1989 ford pickup
> yellow, two coats over zinc chromate primer. I tell you about the paint,
as
> it does not have to add a lot of weight. My painting is not the best but
> it does the job.
> Chuck D.
> N701TX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Panel Thickness
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Electrical connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
You could get the good heat shrinkable butt connectors. Del City sells
them. Crimp, heat and they have some sealant in them to make them
weathertight.
TurboDog's Dad
Bill Cardell
www.flyinmiata.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brad Cohen
Subject: Zenith-List: Electrical connections
5-6803
N969BC ( reserved)
hacking away at the tailfeathers
Do not archieve
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <buchdvm@fidnet.com>
I am interested in a trutrack autopilot instlled in a zenith 701. Has any builder
had experience with installing one?
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I used small crimp-on butt connectors from radio shack and covered them with
heat shrink. In the unlikely event that I ever have to replace the motor
I'll have to cut the connectors off and re-splice so I left enough extra
wire to allow that. Soldering the ends is not really necessary, a properly
crimped connector will hold just fine without it. It's a good idea to
stagger the splices so they don't end up bunched together in the wire bundle
Twisting wires together and taping them is not an acceptable practice in any
application. Splices made this way are guaranteed to fail in time. I would
only consider this method for an emergency temporary repair and never on a
flight safety critical system.
I don't think I would consider using wire nuts on such small wires on any
kind of vehicle. Their reliability might suffer from vibration. The butt
splices are much better.
There is an alternative method described on the aero electric connection web
site that uses DB9 connectors but it seems to me a lot of extra work for
something that so rarely needs replaced.
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 5/23/05 8:13 AM, Brad Cohen at bradfnp@msn.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
>
> I am getting ready to install the elevator trim motor assembly and I have a
> questions as to which electrical connector everyone has been using.
> My plan is to strip and twist the wires, use aircraft grade solder over the
> stripped ends to prevent fraying. after that I was going to use the
> barrel-style connectors (I know all you electrical-minded folks are cringing
> at my lack of correct terminlogy, but at least you know what I'm talking
> about, right?) Then I was going to cover the connections with shrink tubing.
> The only other options that I can think of is either to tape them together
> with electrical tape (the black stuff) or the old "wire nut" connector but I
> am hesitant to use these methods in the plane
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Brad Cohen
> 5-6803
> N969BC ( reserved)
> hacking away at the tailfeathers
>
> Do not archieve
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Position light intensity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Yes,
A candle = a lumen/steradian which is also the definition of a candela. But
what is the required intensity for the white "tail" light?
Chuck.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Crvsecretary@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Position light intensity
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>
>
> Hello Listers:
>
> No need to contact anyone, since:
> "The Luminous Intensity of a source is the number of lumens or rays it
> emits. Luminous intensity, candlepower, is expressed in units of candles
or
> candelas. "
>
> More than you ever wanted to know about measuring light can be found at
> _http://www.westsidesystems.com/rays.html_
> (http://www.westsidesystems.com/rays.html)
>
>
> Tracy Smith
> Naugatuck, CT
> 601xl tail 100% wings in the crate
> N458XL (reserved)
>
>
> In a message dated 5/23/2005 4:05:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> howado@cwia.com writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>
> Chuck,
> the ancient FAA specs measure the pos. lights in *candles*, not candela.
> FAR 23.1389. Try to find a modern light meter calibrated in candles!
> Whelan claims that their LED lights meet the specs. Might be worth
> contacting them to find out how they proved that.
> Howard Carter
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| Subject: | Electrical connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Brad go to http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html
this is always the first site to visit when your working on electrical,
most points you will run into on your project will have answers here.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brad Cohen
Subject: Zenith-List: Electrical connections
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
I am getting ready to install the elevator trim motor assembly and I
have a questions as to which electrical connector everyone has been
using.
My plan is to strip and twist the wires, use aircraft grade solder over
the stripped ends to prevent fraying. after that I was going to use the
barrel-style connectors (I know all you electrical-minded folks are
cringing at my lack of correct terminlogy, but at least you know what
I'm talking about, right?) Then I was going to cover the connections
with shrink tubing.
The only other options that I can think of is either to tape them
together with electrical tape (the black stuff) or the old "wire nut"
connector but I am hesitant to use these methods in the plane
Thoughts?
Brad Cohen
5-6803
N969BC ( reserved)
hacking away at the tailfeathers
Do not archieve
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 05/22/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Schemmel, Grant" <Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com>
Mark,
I enthusiastically recommend a combination of "Copilot", which is available from most of the palm software download sites, and "flightmaster" from www.flight-master.com.
I'm using a visor pro with the plug-in Magellan gps module and these two software packages as my main gps system. Navaid databases are available as a free download from http://xcski.com/~ptomblin/CoPilot/.
The combination makes a very cheap, very functional aviation gps system, with moving
map, full flight planning, HSI and emergency attitude indicator.
On my visor, everything is very visible under the bubble canopy, and ok at night.
Grant Schemmel
Penrose, CO
601HDS/o-200
Time: 09:20:58 AM PST US
From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic but plane related Maybe
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi Folks, I just got a Palm M130 with 1 gig memory and I was wondering
what I can use this for in the world of aviation. Anyone have
suggestions for software for the plane? I know it's not the newest or
fastest but I wanted to try one first to see if it is useful in my
world.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Panel Thickness |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Larry,
Very nice instrument panel. You have given me some good ideas for mine.
Steve Hulland
Amado, AZ
On 5/23/05, Larry Martin <lrm@isp.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> You might check my site, www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/dash.html<http://www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/dash.html>.
> There you
> will see that I cut out the original dash panel and installed rubber
> mounts
> I got from www.McMaster.com <http://www.McMaster.com>. Then made a 1/4"
> oak plywood insert for my
> instruments. The insert bolts in eight places to the dash frame. I also
> moved it back 2". Other than looks the main reason I did this was assess.
> I can now remove the eight Allen screws and remove the entire instrument
> panel. I also wired everything down the left side with about 12" extra
> wire, which allows me to remove the entire "working" panel outside the
> cockpit for maintenance and annuals. That's not to mention the fact that
> my
> instruments are now cushioned against vibration.
> I might have added a half pound or so but, so what? It will be well worth
> it the first time I have to get behind the instruments.
> Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701<http://www.angelfire.com/un/ch701>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Panel Thickness
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net
> >
> >
> > Burke,
> > My 701 is from a kit and the panel is .025". I added stiffeners to the
> back
> > of the panel and it works well. see www.geocities.com/cffd66<http://www.geocities.com/cffd66>and look
> under
> > airplane and instrument panel.
> > Be careful about adding weight as the heavier the dry weight, the less
> you
> > can carry. My dry weight is 550 lbs. The wings are not painted yet. But
> > the fuselage and tail paint is less than 4 lbs. NAPA 1989 ford pickup
> > yellow, two coats over zinc chromate primer. I tell you about the paint,
> as
> > it does not have to add a lot of weight. My painting is not the best but
> > it does the job.
> > Chuck D.
> > N701TX
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Panel Thickness
> >
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Solder and shrink tube every connection. Anything other than solder and
shrink tubing, you are asking for problems at some point in time, think way
ahead. Absolutely No wire nuts or tape.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Electrical connections
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
>
> I am getting ready to install the elevator trim motor assembly and I have
a questions as to which electrical connector everyone has been using.
> My plan is to strip and twist the wires, use aircraft grade solder over
the stripped ends to prevent fraying. after that I was going to use the
barrel-style connectors (I know all you electrical-minded folks are cringing
at my lack of correct terminlogy, but at least you know what I'm talking
about, right?) Then I was going to cover the connections with shrink
tubing.
> The only other options that I can think of is either to tape them together
with electrical tape (the black stuff) or the old "wire nut" connector but I
am hesitant to use these methods in the plane
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Brad Cohen
> 5-6803
> N969BC ( reserved)
> hacking away at the tailfeathers
>
> Do not archieve
>
>
> --
>
>
--
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Brad:
I'm sure you will get lots of replies to this, but I'll jump in to get things going
- here's a good idea:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (Reserved)
www.cooknwithgas.com
Engine going together - so far, so good!
Brad Cohen <bradfnp@msn.com> wrote:
The only other options that I can think of is either to tape them together with
electrical tape (the black stuff) or the old "wire nut" connector but I am hesitant
to use these methods in the plane
Thoughts?
Brad Cohen
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| Subject: | LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <gkirby@yahoo.com>
Chuck,
GS Air, the manufacturers of the setup I am looking at have compared their
product to the FAR requirements (23.1383-23.1379) in this document:
http://www.geocities.com/americanstoo/GSAirTechDocument.pdf
They seem to do a fair job of explaining how they meet the viewing angle
requirements as well as having the right shades of red & green. The things
that concern me are that the analysis is based on the datasheets and not
'real world' measurements. For example there is no allowance for the
diffraction effect of the lens cover etc.. Also the write up on the White
LED strobe is unconvincing. They show that conventional strobes use tons of
energy but don't explain how their LEDs have an equivalent output.
I am not yet convinced that White LEDs can replace strobes, otherwise we'd
see them being used for flashes in cameras?
Graham Kirby
601HD
...What does the FAA require for the intensity (candelas) of position
lights...
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| Subject: | corrosion proofing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
John,
I am also using the Cortec primer from Zenith. Only time will tell if it provides
protection that is similar to zinc chromate, but it seems very user friendly.
I dilute mine with denatured alcohol and find that it is very easy to apply
with a foam brush. It dries fast, cleans up easily and is a lot less toxic
than the zinc.
Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
You should also consider "knife" splices if you think you will ever have
to break the joint. Bob Nuckolls writes about then in his book
"AeroElectric Connection" at www.aeroelectric.com. They look like this:
www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?12X358218#s890rk
-- Craig
Brad Cohen wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" <bradfnp@msn.com>
>
> I am getting ready to install the elevator trim motor assembly and I have a questions
as to which electrical connector everyone has been using.
> My plan is to strip and twist the wires, use aircraft grade solder over the stripped
ends to prevent fraying. after that I was going to use the barrel-style
connectors (I know all you electrical-minded folks are cringing at my lack of
correct terminlogy, but at least you know what I'm talking about, right?) Then
I was going to cover the connections with shrink tubing.
> The only other options that I can think of is either to tape them together with
electrical tape (the black stuff) or the old "wire nut" connector but I am
hesitant to use these methods in the plane
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Brad Cohen
> 5-6803
> N969BC ( reserved)
> hacking away at the tailfeathers
>
> Do not archieve
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| Subject: | Comm antennas... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Hi,All,
I am reluctant to show my ignorance, but I need some advice. I
have a Val-Com radio for my bird, but no antenna. Are there certain wave
lengths built into them, or is it something that must be magically set with
a SWR meter? There are a couple on e-bay right now, but I am
hesitant to bid because of said ignorance. I got great help on the # 93 bulb a
few weeks ago and I'm hoping for the same amount (or more) of good advice
on this.
Another Q. On many of the antennas I have seen, there is a teardrop
shaped mounting flange. On the Zodiacs the rear deck is curved and
the bases look to be flat. What's a guy to do here?! The thought of a belly
mount has crossed my mind....but then the guys above me probably couldn't
hear a thing from me. Just a thought......
Any and all help is much appreciated!
Rick
Zodie XL 52EB (res.)
Midwest Mudworks
728.9 MSL and sinking
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| Subject: | Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Cell phone camera often use LEDs for their "flash".
-- Craig
Graham Kirby wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <gkirby@yahoo.com>
>
> Chuck,
> GS Air, the manufacturers of the setup I am looking at have compared their
> product to the FAR requirements (23.1383-23.1379) in this document:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/americanstoo/GSAirTechDocument.pdf
>
> They seem to do a fair job of explaining how they meet the viewing angle
> requirements as well as having the right shades of red & green. The things
> that concern me are that the analysis is based on the datasheets and not
> 'real world' measurements. For example there is no allowance for the
> diffraction effect of the lens cover etc.. Also the write up on the White
> LED strobe is unconvincing. They show that conventional strobes use tons of
> energy but don't explain how their LEDs have an equivalent output.
>
> I am not yet convinced that White LEDs can replace strobes, otherwise we'd
> see them being used for flashes in cameras?
>
> Graham Kirby
> 601HD
>
>
> ...What does the FAA require for the intensity (candelas) of position
> lights...
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
I am off to the paint store. I think I remember discussion about how much paint
is required for the XL and I believe it was about 1 gal primer and 1 gal of finish
per coat. Does that sound about right for a solid color paint scheme? Thanks
in advance. Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Comm antennas... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fortunato <rsq2424@yahoo.com>
> On many of the antennas I have seen, there is a
> teardrop shaped mounting flange. On the Zodiacs the
> rear deck is curved
Hi Rick,
Don't worry about mounting the antenna flange on the
curved top. The radius of the curvature isn't enough
to cause a problem -- the base mounts flat. Looks good
on mine.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
We have been flying the GS-Air nav/strobe LED lights on our Demo Jabiru.
The white and the color lights are brighter than the Whelens we have on our
other planes. We are quite please with them so far.
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Kirby
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <gkirby@yahoo.com>
Chuck,
GS Air, the manufacturers of the setup I am looking at have compared their
product to the FAR requirements (23.1383-23.1379) in this document:
http://www.geocities.com/americanstoo/GSAirTechDocument.pdf
They seem to do a fair job of explaining how they meet the viewing angle
requirements as well as having the right shades of red & green. The things
that concern me are that the analysis is based on the datasheets and not
'real world' measurements. For example there is no allowance for the
diffraction effect of the lens cover etc.. Also the write up on the White
LED strobe is unconvincing. They show that conventional strobes use tons of
energy but don't explain how their LEDs have an equivalent output.
I am not yet convinced that White LEDs can replace strobes, otherwise we'd
see them being used for flashes in cameras?
Graham Kirby
601HD
...What does the FAA require for the intensity (candelas) of position
lights...
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" <royt.or@netzero.com>
Ken wrote: I am interested in a trutrack autopilot installed in a zenith 701.
Has any builder had experience with installing one?
I originally had a Digitrak single axis autopilot from Trutrak in my CH601HDS.
I have traded the Digitrak to a DigiFlight II. I have
been very happy with the both the autopilots and with the customer service from
Trutrak.
I am not familiar with the control system of the CH701. I expect that it is similar
to the CH601HDS. I elected to use a capstan drive. I can send pictures of
my installation off the list to anyone who is interested.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
336hrs, 432 landings
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| Subject: | LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
There are two suppliers that seem to provide kits for red and green
position lights in the RV world. One of those provides a white position
light...Pretty expensive as I remember.
Here is the kit I purchased for the RV...Designed primarily to go behind
a plexiglass screen so won't work for the Zodiac wingtip.
http://www.creativair.com/cva/
Neither of those provide an LED strobe solution so I am very skeptical
if they would work effetively
Frank
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Cell phone camera often use LEDs for their "flash".
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
What sort of paint you going to use??
Frank
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Russell
Subject: Zenith-List: Paint quanity
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
I am off to the paint store. I think I remember discussion about how
much paint is required for the XL and I believe it was about 1 gal
primer and 1 gal of finish per coat. Does that sound about right for a
solid color paint scheme? Thanks in advance. Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Paint quanity |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
That's about right Jack. I bought 1 gallon of primer but ended up
buying less than I needed for the main color. I should have bought 1
gallon the first time.
I used the Endura urethane system, very nice and easy to work with
but make sure you ventilate properly!!!
Trev Page
601HD C-IDUS
On May 23, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Jack Russell wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I am off to the paint store. I think I remember discussion about
> how much paint is required for the XL and I believe it was about 1
> gal primer and 1 gal of finish per coat. Does that sound about
> right for a solid color paint scheme? Thanks in advance. Jack
>
>
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| Subject: | Prime the firewall? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@cablespeed.com>
Gentlemen,
What did you do? Did you prime it or leave it bare?
Thanks!
Mark Stauffer
Odenton, MD
601XL - Priming fwd fuselage parts and getting ready to rivet.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
Roy
I would be interested in seeing how you did it.
Bob Spudis
CH 701
NYTERMINAT@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: corrosion proofing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
I too am using the cortec, also diluting as needed for smooth application
with denatured alcohol. Previously many people mentioned carefully cleaning
the surface and rubbing with 3M pad for best adhesion. It will be a while
before knowing if it really works.
Jim Greenough
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| Subject: | Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
There are a few other small vendors but mostly targeting the RV world:
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm
http://periheliondesign.com/ledlights.htm
I think this is what AS&S is selling:
http://www.airplanegear.com/skybright.htm
They also offer these but the position lights only come in 28 volts.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/whelenledlights.php
-- Craig
Graham Kirby wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <gkirby@yahoo.com>
>
> I noticed that Aircraft Spruce is carrying a new LED based wingtip
> light/strobe system:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/ledwingtips.php
>
> Has anybody got any experience of this product? I'm thinking of using it
> instead of the usual aeroflash system. Hopefully it will draw less power
> and not have the problem with failing capacitors that was discussed a couple
> of months ago..
>
> Thanks,
> Graham Kirby
> 601HD
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prime the firewall? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Mark: I left the firewall galvanized but did prime any part attached to it. Just
seemed easier. Jack
Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer@cablespeed.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted
by: "Mark Stauffer"
Gentlemen,
What did you do? Did you prime it or leave it bare?
Thanks!
Mark Stauffer
Odenton, MD
601XL - Priming fwd fuselage parts and getting ready to rivet.
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical connections |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Brad, put a sleeve of wire shrink tubing on it, Best regards, Bill
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