---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/24/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:26 AM - Re: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? (Pete Krotje) 2. 10:26 AM - Re: Electrical connections (Crvsecretary@AOL.COM) 3. 10:26 AM - Re: Electrical connections (JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM) 4. 08:44 PM - Jabiru reliability (Jeff Small) 5. 10:43 PM - Re: Jabiru reliability (Fred Kirkland) 6. 10:43 PM - Re: Jabiru engine reliability (Ray Montagne) 7. 10:47 PM - 601 XL Dual Time (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 8. 10:48 PM - Re: Electrical connections (Jim and Lucy) 9. 10:51 PM - Aviation Updates (AVIATION GROUP) 10. 10:52 PM - Re: corrosion proofing (Tommy Walker) 11. 10:53 PM - Re: Paint quanity (Jack Russell) 12. 10:56 PM - Re: Electrical connections (gary) 13. 11:04 PM - 701 Leading Edge Slats (Rick R) 14. 11:06 PM - 701 Panel Thickness (Brett) 15. 11:06 PM - Position light intensity (Brett) 16. 11:17 PM - Re: Prime the firewall? (Bryan Martin) 17. 11:24 PM - Re: Electrical connections (Jeffrey J Paris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:11 AM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" Try www.GS-air.com for LED lighting Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LED Wingtip lights/strobes thoughts? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne There are a few other small vendors but mostly targeting the RV world: http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm http://periheliondesign.com/ledlights.htm I think this is what AS&S is selling: http://www.airplanegear.com/skybright.htm They also offer these but the position lights only come in 28 volts. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/whelenledlights.php -- Craig Graham Kirby wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" > > I noticed that Aircraft Spruce is carrying a new LED based wingtip > light/strobe system: > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/ledwingtips.php > > Has anybody got any experience of this product? I'm thinking of using > it instead of the usual aeroflash system. Hopefully it will draw less > power and not have the problem with failing capacitors that was > discussed a couple of months ago.. > > Thanks, > Graham Kirby > 601HD > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:13 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical connections --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Brad: I see no problem with barrel-type connectors. How often do you plan on replacing the elevator trim motor? As for me, not often ! Remember to leave a generous amount of slack in the cable to enable replacing the trim motor many years from now..... I question tinning the ends of the wire before drimping. If the proper size barrel connector is used with a GOOD crimping tool, shouldn't this be all that's needed? Is there a 'best practices' out there that I am not aware of ? Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601xl tail 100% wings in the crate N458XL (reserved) do not archive In a message dated 5/23/2005 4:17:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, craig@craigandjean.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne You should also consider "knife" splices if you think you will ever have to break the joint. Bob Nuckolls writes about then in his book "AeroElectric Connection" at www.aeroelectric.com. They look like this: www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?12X358218#s890rk -- Craig Brad Cohen wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" > > I am getting ready to install the elevator trim motor assembly and I have a questions as to which electrical connector everyone has been using. > My plan is to strip and twist the wires, use aircraft grade solder over the stripped ends to prevent fraying. after that I was going to use the barrel-style connectors (I know all you electrical-minded folks are cringing at my lack of correct terminlogy, but at least you know what I'm talking about, right?) Then I was going to cover the connections with shrink tubing. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:13 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical connections --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Thread Friends, the knife splice connectors are great. I used them for the wing wires in the expectation of having to take the wings on and off a few times. If you use them remember to use some the anti corrosion jell, regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:42 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru reliability 7.50 BARRACUDA_HEADER_FP56 RBL: Blacklist bl.spamcop [Blocked - see ] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" It would be nice to know just what statistics are available regarding the reliability of the Jabiru engines, particularly the 3300. +++ Gee Howard, could you have biased your question to a slightly less extent? It would be nice to have statistics on the reliability of Rotax engines. It would be nice to have statistics on the reliability of Lycoming engines...of Subaru conversions, about what Ralph Nader says of aircraft engines,etc. I have 240+ hours on mine. Fred Hulen has about 200 hours on his; Stan Challgren said in a message last week that he has 170 hours. Ron DeWees has 77 hours on one in a few months time. All of these engines are early serial numbers (078 and lower) and had to overcome the teething problems of all new engine-into-airframe installations. Pete and Andy at USJabiru and SunCoast helped us and we, in turn, added to their knowledge. The beneficiaries are the new customers like yourself who just get to "bolt and go." Pay attention to CHTs and install it like Pete or Andy or Jim tell you. Don't second guess what has proved to work. Of particular interest is the question of RF interference to the radios and other instruments. +++ It would be nice to have statistics on the background knowledge of the person wiring the a/c. I have NO RF interference. Fred did and got rid of it with a filter - but he has slight differences in wiring and engine information system from what I run and the truth is that Fred can wire rings around me! I plan to use a Jab 3300 in my CH701, but have begun to hear some dire stories about the engines and the service from the factory. +++ Ah, the dreaded DIRE STORIES! Where did you hear this? What were the sources? Do they own or have personal experience with Jabs? Factory support and US distributor support has been super since Jabiru got rid of the first id..ah, gentleman, that distributed Jab products in this country. If you're pleased with ZAC support you will continue to feel that way using Jabiru. don't forget to flair jeff ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:22 PM PST US From: "Fred Kirkland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru reliability --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred Kirkland" I can identify with the original author of this string. I have an NSI Subaru I plan to use and have heard horror stories about it and stories of praise. It would be nice if there were a reliable data source for the different engines out there but obviously that is impractical. What I know from my other life, you know the one where I have to earn enough to be an airplane builder/pilot, is that a person that is disgruntled about something will tell a lot more people about the issue than a person that is satisfied with something. Thus, you will hear the malcontents speaking up allot more than the contents but it would be nice to hear from other NSI users about their experiences positive and negative. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:22 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru engine reliability From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 5/24/05 12:05 PM, "Zenith-List Digest Server" wrote: > I plan to use a Jab3300 in my CH701, but have begun to hear some dire > stories about the engines and the service from the factory. Hello Howard, I highly recommend that you join the Jabiru list at . You'll find that the major Jabiru dealers are very active participants in the list and are always eager to help resolve any issue (even if you did not buy an engine from them). I've been a member of the Jabiru list for almost two years and am not aware of any 'dire stories' originating from Jabiru owners. I am aware of 'dire stories' from owners of other engine brands though... DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA 601XL/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:27 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Dual Time --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread Friends, my plane's done and approved, the test pilot for the first flight is scheduled, the insurance is paid for. I need a couple hours dual time in make/ type. Who out there in the South with an XL will offer to help out a fellow builder ? with a couple hours this weekend ? I will be more than happy to reimburse for the fuel. If you can help please call me at home, 478-994-9196 after 6:00 est or anytime on cell 478-731-9678. Hope to hear from a lot of you, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:20 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical connections --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy If you are looking for a good set of crimpers there are a couple on ebay right now. These are the same kind I use and they are cheaper than what I payed for mine These are made for the pidg type barrel crimp terminals which are nylon and not junky vinyl. They have a diamond pattern inside which presses into the wires better when crimped. Also they are crimped in two places, once on the wire and one on the insulation for strain relief. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4551029407 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4551832529 Jim Pollard Merlin Ont ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:05 PM PST US From: AVIATION GROUP Subject: Zenith-List: Aviation Updates --> Zenith-List message posted by: AVIATION GROUP AVIATION News is to view & share your valuable comments and the latest trends and happenings in the aviation industry. Please click on the attached yahoo group link site to share & receive the updates on the latest happenings, business ventures, business opportunities, Air Shows and Exhibitions, New Aircraft releases, and certifications, Career news, Appointments etc. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AVIATION-NEWS/ john swanson wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: john swanson working on the wing skeletons for ch701 I am using Cortec primer that I got from Zenith is any one else using it , is it going to be as good as zinc chromate? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:18 PM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: corrosion proofing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" Yes, I'm using the Cortec on the mating surfaces. Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:31 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint quanity --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell Frank: From my limited painting experience I am leaning toward a enamel with a hardner but I plan to be at the mercy of the paint store. jack "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" What sort of paint you going to use?? Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Russell Subject: Zenith-List: Paint quanity --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell I am off to the paint store. I think I remember discussion about how much paint is required for the XL and I believe it was about 1 gal primer and 1 gal of finish per coat. Does that sound about right for a solid color paint scheme? Thanks in advance. Jack ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:43 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical connections --> Zenith-List message posted by: "gary" > > Solder and shrink tube every connection. Anything other than solder and > shrink tubing, you are asking for problems at some point in time, think > way > ahead. Absolutely No wire nuts or tape. just to keep balance here, I don't think solder should be used. It can create a weak spot that will break if it gets flexed under vibration. I've seen a lot of solder joints break, it makes it brittle at the solder/wire joint. I went with 'lectric Bob's method of only mil wire with AMP PIDG (double crimp) connectors and a proper crimper. One of the benefits of mil wire (other than tefzel insulation, i.e. non-PVC) is higher strand count for better flexibility. That flexibility goes away when it gets soldered. If you do solder, pay special attention to strain relief (but I don't think there's any need for solder anywhere). With good crimpers and PIDG terminals and butt splices, it's quicker, easier and plenty secure. gary ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:59 PM PST US From: Rick R Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Leading Edge Slats --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R After building my right outboard slat THEN trying to make the fiberglass tip fit, I find it, the tip, seems to be too small. The bend radius of the bottom of the tip does not conform to the bend radius of the bottom skin of the slat. The rest of the slat looks fine. Anyone else run into this before I crawl back to ZAC?? Thanks in advance... Rick Orlando, FL. USA http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:09 PM PST US From: "Brett " Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Panel Thickness --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " I did almost the same thing as Larry. For the same reason. To get to things later. I used small square tubing to make a frame then screwed the panel to it. Thanks Brett Ray www.hog-air.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:10 PM PST US From: "Brett " Subject: Zenith-List: Position light intensity --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " The LED's are very bright. I am useing them on my new plane. I am putting 2 greens and 2 reds in each wing tip. One points forward and one points out. That covers the area and is way brighter than the "aircraft" lights on my Zenith. A white one in the tail. Also 2 strobes in each wing. Total about $150 Thanks Brett Ray www.hog-air.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Prime the firewall? From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin I left it bare, it's galvanized, it won't rust and the metallic surface will reflect the heat away. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. do not archive. on 5/23/05 9:23 PM, Mark Stauffer at mark.stauffer@cablespeed.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" > > > Gentlemen, > > What did you do? Did you prime it or leave it bare? > > Thanks! > > Mark Stauffer > Odenton, MD > 601XL - Priming fwd fuselage parts and getting ready to rivet. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical connections From: "Jeffrey J Paris" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris" Craig, I used an idea from the Aeroelectric Website and used male and female 9 pin D-Sub miniature computer connectors from Radio Shack; They have proven to work beautifully in terms of installation and ease of access. No soldering, so no brittle joints, crimp style connections and then I shrunk wrapped the ends and for added measure of waterproofing and strain relief I used "GOOP" on the ends to seal things up. Works like a charm and that AEROELECTRIC WEBSITE is an excellent source for neat ideas. Jeff Paris CH601XL Jab3300 N196ZP 99.99% There. --- On Mon 05/23, Craig Payne < craig@craigandjean.com > wrote: From: Craig Payne [mailto: craig@craigandjean.com] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical connections --> Zenith-List message posted by: Craig Payne You should also consider "knife" splices if you think you will ever have to break the joint. Bob Nuckolls writes about then in his book "AeroElectric Connection" at www.aeroelectric.com. They look like this: www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?12X358218#s890rk -- Craig Brad Cohen wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brad Cohen" > > I am getting ready to install the elevator trim motor assembly and I have a questions as to which electrical connector everyone has been using. > My plan is to strip and twist the wires, use aircraft grade solder over the stripped ends to prevent fraying. after that I was going to use the barrel-style connectors (I know all you electrical-minded folks are cringing at my lack of correct terminlogy, but at least you know what I'm talking about, right?) Then I was going to cover the connections with shrink tubing. > The only other options that I can think of is either to tape them together with electrical tape (the black stuff) or the old "wire nut" connector but I am hesitant to use these methods in the plane > > Thoughts? > > Brad Cohen > 5-6803 > N969BC ( reserved) > hacking away at the tailfeathers > > Do not archieve > > > > > > >