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1. 03:23 AM - Re: Paint options. (Rick R)
2. 04:03 AM - Re: Paint options. ()
3. 04:03 AM - Paint Options ()
4. 07:40 AM - Re: Paint options. (Randy Stout)
5. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Paint options. (Randy Stout)
6. 08:12 AM - Re: Paint Options (Randy Stout)
7. 09:46 AM - Re:Zenair 601 group (PHFD400@AOL.COM)
8. 09:55 AM - Re: 601 Jab 3300 Oil Leak (kenneth schooley)
9. 03:58 PM - Re: 601 Jab 3300 Oil Leak (ron dewees)
10. 05:18 PM - Re: Paint options. (Peter Dunning)
11. 05:20 PM - Re: 601 Jab 3300 Oil Leak (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
12. 10:37 PM - Re: Engine run-after (Michael French)
13. 11:39 PM - Cortec precautions? (Jeff Davidson)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <n701rr@yahoo.com>
Guys,
Any cost comparisons to say basecoat-clearcoat??
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout"
I used their one part polyurethane paint called Brightside on my Zodiac.
> [Original Message]
> From: Peter Dunning
> To:
> Date: 5/29/2005 10:36:19 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Paint options.
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Dunning
>
> Hi Listers
>
> My 601 is getting closer to that time when painting is getting more
consideration.
> I was at a local boat store recently and they mentioned a new paint called
> "Perfection". Sounded a bit like advertising hype at first, but the
finish on a sample
> surface certainly looked attractive and they claimed a "spray quality"
finish by using a
> roller. They also emphasise that good cover should be achieveable with
just two coats
> and the finish is high gloss. "Perfection" is a two-part polyurethane
product: see
>
> www.yachtpaint.com/Images/22_22077.pdf
>
> I would be very interested in receiving any comments from Listers on
suitability as this
>
Rick
Orlando, FL. USA
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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| Subject: | RE: Paint options. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Randy:
Please see my previous post on this subject.
Your Zodiac looks great! Did you find the Interlux prime wash difficult to
use? Interlux has told me you can use their single pack primers over
regular zinc chromate as well. According to the instructions, it looks like
you have to be pretty particular with the prime wash, watching out for
thickness, pooling, cure times, etc, etc.
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Peter:
I have also been considering Interlux products to paint the CH701 I have
just purchased plans for. They make a very high quality product and I have
had good experience with their products on my boat. Their Toplac single
pack topside paint is amazing. With a brush you can really achieve a
sprayed on look that will last. After three years of sitting in direct sun
and weather most of the time, I still have a good gloss. Just be careful of
your temperatures during application. As it gets warmer, you need to thin.
I have had better luck with it than the Brightside.
I was also considering the Perfection product as probably the ultimate, but
noted from the product data sheet at their site that it is not well suited
for flexible surfaces and may tend to crack in these situations. As some
know, if a CH701 skin is anything, it is flexible. As a result, I think I
will use Toplac. Interlux tech support has confirmed I can put it over zinc
chromate and their single pack primer. They do have a self etching zinc
chromate primer but I think you have to be very exacting in how you use it
so I may go with the old standby spray zinc chromate from Randolph or Tempo.
Anyway it sounds a bit crazy, but with a high gloss, durable and brush-able
marine paint I am hoping to get a good finish with out all the hassles of
paint booths, respirator systems etc, etc.
Good luck
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
I don't know what a base-clearcoat cost, but mine cost me about $500
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: Rick R <n701rr@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/30/2005 5:21:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Paint options.
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick R <n701rr@yahoo.com>
>
> Guys,
> Any cost comparisons to say basecoat-clearcoat??
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > I would be very interested in receiving any comments from Listers on
> suitability as this
> >
>
> Rick
> Orlando, FL. USA
> http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Paint options. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Prime wash wasn't very hard to deal with. The only thing is that it dries
very fast and doesn't flow like the paint does. You end up sanding off the
roller ridges after it dries. That's easy on a flat piece, but not around
the rivets.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
> To: <n282rs@earthlink.net>; <Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/30/2005 6:02:37 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Paint options.
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
>
> Randy:
>
>
> Please see my previous post on this subject.
>
>
> Your Zodiac looks great! Did you find the Interlux prime wash difficult
to
> use? Interlux has told me you can use their single pack primers over
> regular zinc chromate as well. According to the instructions, it looks
like
> you have to be pretty particular with the prime wash, watching out for
> thickness, pooling, cure times, etc, etc.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Burke Johnson
>
> Irvington, VA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Preparation and environment is the same as required for spraying paint. I
did mine in my hangar without making a spray booth. I was constantly
fighting bugs and dust. Try to find a way to keep both out.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> Anyway it sounds a bit crazy, but with a high gloss, durable and
brush-able
> marine paint I am hoping to get a good finish with out all the hassles of
> paint booths, respirator systems etc, etc.
>
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| Subject: | Re:Zenair 601 group |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: PHFD400@aol.com
Sure I would be interested in your group. I just moved my bird from Florida
up to NC, Andrews/Murphy airport.
Jim Olson
CH601HDS N56BJ
Rotax 912UL 280 hrs
email: bldr601@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Jab 3300 Oil Leak |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kenneth schooley" <klschooley@hotmail.com>
Hi Ron,
Every auto engine I know of pressurizes the oil filter.......so do aircraft
engines, Ken
>From: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Jab 3300 Oil Leak
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:38:14 -0400
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>
>Hi Bill,
>I have never had your oil seepage problem but can help you with the oil
>filter. I use a Pure 14476 that costs about $4 at auto stores. It fits
>almost all older Toyota vehicles and comes in a standard and a premium
>model that is only a buck or two more.
> One thing to keep in mind on oil leaks around the filter is that the
>Jab's oil circulation pressurizes the filter before going to the
>regulator. A small leak that would be no problem at 30 # pressure might
>blow a lot at 75#. I don't know of any other aircraft motor that
>pressuruzes the filter. Seems like a potential safety issue, but just
>be careful to use a good filter and tighten it correctly. Remember that
>the "doughnut" adapter under the oil filter also has an O ring that
>could be loose. Make sure it's tightened into the block securely, too.
> I use a trick I have read about to safety the filter against
>unscrewing-. take a hose clamp and secure it around the filter
>somewhere near the base of the filter. Then you can use safety wire
>around the screw and back to the the pressure sender or inlet or outlet
>pipes to keep it from backing out.
> Good luck
>Ron
>N601TD/Jab 3300 78 hours and all smiles
>
>JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
> >
> >Dear Thread Friends, My 3300 oil filter seal seeps a little oil. Notice
>after
> >long full power runs where the oil pressure gets up to around 90. Do I
>need
> >thinner oil or is the filter O-ring defective? Also where can we purchase
>the
> >Z386 filter ? Checked Avanced Auto and they had no clue. Best regards,
>Bill of
> >Georgia
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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"mail=mstewart1023@hotmail.com" <mstewart1023@hotmail.com>
| Subject: | Re: 601 Jab 3300 Oil Leak |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Ken,
Could be we are arguing semantics here or I didn't express myself very
well. Of course all filters are pressurized or we wouldn't get any
filtering action thru them. My point was/is that the Jab takes the
output directly from the oil pump, runs it thru the oil filter and
radiator and THEN into the regulator. This puts a lot of extra oil
pressure on the filter and radiatior that other motors don't allow.
If you have any doubt about this look at the pressure relief valve on
the Jab that's located under the oil filter adapter. It opens when high
pressure oil returning from the filter and radiator overrides the spring
tension against a washer and allows oil back into the block. It wasn't
exactly a scientific experiment, but I can tell you that a Jab will blow
3 quarts of oil out in about 15 seconds. Don't ask me how I know this.
Most car and auto oil pumps have a regulator built into them or
regulate the oil before pumping it into the filter and downstream system.
Regards,
Ron
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kenneth schooley" <klschooley@hotmail.com>
>
>Hi Ron,
>Every auto engine I know of pressurizes the oil filter.......so do aircraft
>engines, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint options. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Dunning <peterd@metec.co.nz>
Hi Randy/Burke
Many thanks for your replies. We have Brightside available here but the
Paint folk were of the view that "Perfection" was a better option for my
application. Burke's well detailed response raises the issue of applying
"perfection" on flexible surfaces and I am trying to get information from
Interlux/International to clarify/verify the situation. I also noted that
there is a "perfection undercoat" - YRA, for use on timber hulls and this
suggests that some flexibility may be possible. I used a 2 pot primer.
I agree with Burke that the CH601/701 does have flexible surfaces so I will
err on the side of caution until further investigation is complete.
Burke, we do not appear to have Toplac here, but it may be under a different
trade name. I will check that out.
Cheers
Peter Dunning
Wellington, NZ
CH601HD
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Jab 3300 Oil Leak |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Wow - this is scary !!
I remember way in the dark ages when Volkswagen first released thier
water-cooled engines in the mid-70's there were a rash of failures with engines
losing oil pressure dur to failed oil filters. If my poor memory recalls, they
gaskets failed and in rare cases, the seam failed between the gasket plate and
the oil filter can.
Why? They determined the VW watercooled engine (at that time) could produce
EXTREME oil pressures and the aftermaeket filter manufacturers did not read
the specifications that VW supplied for an OEM approved oil filter.
I do not know if VW changed anything, or if the filter manufacturers woke
up, but the point is the replaceable oil filter and gasket is the achilles heel
of a sound oiling system. If the Jab regulates AFTER the filter, that must
put some kind of pressures on the filter - or, possibly, the internal bypass
valve might pop and unfiltered oil goes right through the filter.
My engine search continues......
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl tail 100% wings in the crate
N458XL (reserved)
do not archive
In a message dated 5/30/2005 7:00:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rdewees@mindspring.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Ken,
Could be we are arguing semantics here or I didn't express myself very
well. Of course all filters are pressurized or we wouldn't get any
filtering action thru them. My point was/is that the Jab takes the
output directly from the oil pump, runs it thru the oil filter and
radiator and THEN into the regulator. This puts a lot of extra oil
pressure on the filter and radiatior that other motors don't allow.
If you have any doubt about this look at the pressure relief valve on
the Jab that's located under the oil filter adapter. It opens when high
pressure oil returning from the filter and radiator overrides the spring
tension against a washer and allows oil back into the block. It wasn't
exactly a scientific experiment, but I can tell you that a Jab will blow
3 quarts of oil out in about 15 seconds. Don't ask me how I know this.
Most car and auto oil pumps have a regulator built into them or
regulate the oil before pumping it into the filter and downstream system.
Regards,
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Engine run-after |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Michael French" <mfrench@peoplepc.com>
You might check for some kind of electrical feedback. Possibly a diode
problem. Sometimes if a small electric motor is still spinning (gyro) a
voltage is created by that motor and could feedback to the ignition system
causing the engine to still have a weak spark.
Michael French
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Corriveau" <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Engine run-after
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> Engine masters:
>
> After shutting off the ignition on my Honda-based CAM100 engine, there has
> lately been a tendance to run-on... a couple of sputters, with the usual
> shakes and rattles and even the prop spinning backwards for a half turn or
> so... This wasn't initially a problem, but has cropped up over the last
few
> hours.
>
> Can one of you engine guru types point me to some reasons/fixes/things to
> look for? I don't suppose it does any real harm, but it just shakes
things
> around and is annoying.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
>
>
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| Subject: | Cortec precautions? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
"I am also using the Cortec primer from Zenith. ..... It dries fast, cleans
up easily and is a lot less toxic
than the zinc."
I'm about to use the Cortec for the first time as I get ready to final rivet
the rest of my airframe. What safety precautions are needed? The quart
from Zenith came with no label or MSDS. Are gloves needed? Respirator?
Water cleanup? Thanks .
Jeff Davidson (still the slowest builder on record!)
CH601 HD
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