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1. 06:59 AM - FW: Updated Drawings (Hunt Malcolm)
2. 07:37 AM - Re: Throttle creep (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
3. 08:09 AM - Re: FW: Updated Drawings (Larry McFarland)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: FW: Updated Drawings (N5SL)
5. 09:25 AM - Re: FW: Updated Drawings (ron dewees)
6. 12:35 PM - New 912 installation DVD video (Jon Croke)
7. 12:47 PM - Re: Throttle creep (Johann G.)
8. 01:12 PM - Re: New 912 installation DVD video (Keith Ashcraft)
9. 02:09 PM - X-rated DVD (Zed Smith)
10. 02:25 PM - Re: Throttle creep (Trevor Page)
11. 02:46 PM - Re: Throttle creep (Johann G.)
12. 05:27 PM - Re: X-rated DVD (Gary Gower)
13. 05:51 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Lines (kenneth schooley)
14. 11:45 PM - Re: Golden West (Robert D Johnson)
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| Subject: | FW: Updated Drawings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
-----Original Message-----
From: Hunt Malcolm
Subject: Updated Drawings
Zenith Fans!
I have just been on the Zenith website and downloaded the April 2005 drawing updates.
I'm amazed at the level of change with fuselage skins going from .016" to 025"
and some major changes to the empennage. Why are these changes being made (E-SLA,
S-LSA certification)? or are 2005 model year? I can accept that there is
product development but think we should have some clarification from Zenith as
I'm uncertain if changes are for safety or just design progression.
Whilst I could get a new set of drawings for $75 (about $110 to get them to England)
what a waste of redundant material. If only minor changes are made then
it is easy to amend you drawings but in this instance drawings have been redrawn
with additional parts detailed, in this case Zenith should post these (say
in pdf) on the builders website, rather than sell you a new set of drawings
I'm somewhat confused where to go next!! Can anyone help?
Malcolm Hunt
Plans building CH601 in England
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle creep |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Trev, I put in the same venire type throttle on my XL thinking it would solve
the short stroke problem with the standard duel arm ZAC sells. Being able to
screw the adjustments in seemed like a good fix. Wrong. The right side
friction knob would not work at all because you have to push in the venire throttle
release button for quick slide. I wanted less sensitivity. What I did to solve
it was return to the Spruce sold friction lock throttles I replaced the ZAC
dum throttles with. Then I sawed off about half of the center swing arm,
redrilled it and reattached the throttle cable from the carb. Now the throttles
will still pull forward, but gently, and the throw of the throttle has increased
making it about half as sensitive as it was, FWIW, Best regards, Bill of
Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Updated Drawings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Malcom,
I doubt the changes are for classification E-SLA, but for the
durability. I've only .016 on my belly skin and went to .020 and .025
as a best way to avoid damage from general handling. .016 is too easily
stretched and dinged by the slightest contact. The other thing is most
powerplants are 100 hp or so and this is very stressful, long term on a
fuselage made from .016. I think that ZAC is just catching up from
being a very light aircraft to one that is going to be sold as a bit
more of a workhorse.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS Plans built @ www.macsmachine.com
Hunt Malcolm wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hunt Malcolm" <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk>
>
>Zenith Fans!
>
>I have just been on the Zenith website and downloaded the April 2005 drawing updates.
>
>I'm amazed at the level of change with fuselage skins going from .016" to 025"
and some major changes to the empennage. Why are these changes being made (E-SLA,
S-LSA certification)? or are 2005 model year? I can accept that there is
product development but think we should have some clarification from Zenith as
I'm uncertain if changes are for safety or just design progression.
>
>
>Malcolm Hunt
>Plans building CH601 in England
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Updated Drawings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Malcolm:
Thanks for the heads-up. I hadn't checked the updates in a while. FYI, I changed
all .016" skins to .020" on the fuselage when I built mine on a recommendation
from Larry McFarland. I'm happy with the results. It surprises me that
ZAC would go to .025" on the side skins, but that will help the warping problem
I've seen on so many 601's.
Thanks again,
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (Reserved)
www.cooknwithgas.com
Hunt Malcolm <Malcolm.HUNT@networkrail.co.uk> wrote:
I'm amazed at the level of change with fuselage skins going from .016" to 025"
and some major changes to the empennage.
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Updated Drawings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Larry,
Just to second what you are saying, A friend of mine owned a CH100
briefly and it was built at least as heavy as a certificated plane. I
think all skins were at least .025. You could lean on the wings skins
and not deflect the surface. The weight of the single place CH100 was
more than my 601HDS. The ALaris is also built for more durability (but
weighs about 400# extra)
I guess you have to weigh the pros and cons.
I'm beginning to think the rear tailwheel area of my TD is not heavy
enough for long life. When I reach under the fuse to lift the tail up
the skins seem pretty fragile. I think extruded longerons in at least
the tailwheel area would be a lot more durable, but I'm basicly lazy and
will wait to see what happens before modifications.
Ron DeWees
Larry McFarland wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Malcom,
>I doubt the changes are for classification E-SLA, but for the
>durability. I've only .016 on my belly skin and went to .020 and .025
>as a best way to avoid damage from general handling. .016 is too easily
>stretched and dinged by the slightest contact. The other thing is most
>powerplants are 100 hp or so and this is very stressful, long term on a
>fuselage made from .016. I think that ZAC is just catching up from
>being a very light aircraft to one that is going to be sold as a bit
>more of a workhorse.
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS Plans built @ www.macsmachine.com
>
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | New 912 installation DVD video |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
A quick advertisement, so get ready with the delete key...
After many months of hard work, HomebuiltHELP is proud to announce that the "ROTAX
912 Installation Tips and Techniques" DVD video has been completed and is
now shipping. This is a training presentation on installing, wiring and configuring
the 912 family of engines for experimental aircraft.
Details at:
http://Homebuilthelp.com/912.htm
And yes, it just happens that the film demonstrates the installation on a Zenith
aircraft!
Thanks
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle creep |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hello Trevor.
Take a look at my page, where I made a steel attachment to join the rod to
the throttle linkage.
http://www.gi.is/fis/
Go to "panel" in the Zenith section, and you will see the measurements for
the joint steel. Hope this will give you an idea.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
Iceland.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Throttle creep
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> Someone else on the list a while ago mentioned he put in verniers on
> both sides but on the passenger side he removed the locking insert so
> it would move freely and not be able to lock.
>
> In any case it appears that an ACS750 vernier is probably my best
> bet. Considering I have the standard ZAC throttle linkages (works
> fine other than the throttle creep) how would I go about attaching
> the end of that to the rod on the linkage? Anyone have any pictures
> of an adaptation?
>
> I flew the plane for about 45 minutes last night and the temps are
> holding as reported yesterday. I stil have a heavy left wing and my
> arm got tired of holding the stick to the right. I dropped the trim
> tab on the right aileron down a bit but perhaps not enough. Another
> person mentioned he thought I didn't have enough down-travel on the
> tab to be effective.
>
> Trev Page
> C-IDUS 601HD 912UL 1 Hour on it.
>
> On Jun 2, 2005, at 1:42 AM, Bryan Martin wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
> > <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
> >
> > I installed a single vernier throttle in my plane. I don't see how
> > you could
> > install dual throttles if one of them is a vernier type, you would
> > not be
> > able to move the non vernier throttle against the vernier mechanism
> > of the
> > other. I have sat in the left seat of my plane and found that it is
> > not
> > difficult to reach the throttle on the right side of the panel, I
> > just have
> > to switch hands on the stick. I have not tried this in flight though.
> >
> >
> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
> >>
> >> I forgot to mention that I'm having a bit of a problem with throttle
> >> creep on my 912. On the ground and in flight I have to constantly
> >> hold onto the throttle otherwise the RPMs will gradually creep up.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Martin
> > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> > do not archive.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 912 installation DVD video |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hey "Crash", err, I mean Jon,
Ya know, if you gave away a Rotax 912, along with the low price of your
video, simply for "HANDS ON TRAINING AND INSTALLATION" I am pretty sure
you would get lots of sales :-D :-D :-D
Thanks for your support and insight with the helpfull videos.
Keith
CH701 -- still trying to build!!
(do not archive)
Jon Croke wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
>A quick advertisement, so get ready with the delete key...
>
>After many months of hard work, HomebuiltHELP is proud to announce that the "ROTAX
912 Installation Tips and Techniques" DVD video has been completed and is
now shipping. This is a training presentation on installing, wiring and configuring
the 912 family of engines for experimental aircraft.
>
>Details at:
>
>http://Homebuilthelp.com/912.htm
>
>And yes, it just happens that the film demonstrates the installation on a Zenith
aircraft!
>
>Thanks
>
>Jon
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Right on, Jon!!
Does the sampler show proper placement of return springs, or is that builder's
choice?
Good show! There will be fewer tired feet and worn out shoes from pacing around
the engine trying to make sense of the German translation into English.
do not archive Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle creep |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Thanks Johann, am I to assume you used a lathe to make the adjuster
withe a regular bolt in the end to pinch the control cable?
Trev
On Jun 3, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Johann G. wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello Trevor.
>
> Take a look at my page, where I made a steel attachment to join the
> rod to
> the throttle linkage.
> http://www.gi.is/fis/
> Go to "panel" in the Zenith section, and you will see the
> measurements for
> the joint steel. Hope this will give you an idea.
>
> Best wishes,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Throttle creep
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>>
>> Someone else on the list a while ago mentioned he put in verniers on
>> both sides but on the passenger side he removed the locking insert so
>> it would move freely and not be able to lock.
>>
>> In any case it appears that an ACS750 vernier is probably my best
>> bet. Considering I have the standard ZAC throttle linkages (works
>> fine other than the throttle creep) how would I go about attaching
>> the end of that to the rod on the linkage? Anyone have any pictures
>> of an adaptation?
>>
>> I flew the plane for about 45 minutes last night and the temps are
>> holding as reported yesterday. I stil have a heavy left wing and my
>> arm got tired of holding the stick to the right. I dropped the trim
>> tab on the right aileron down a bit but perhaps not enough. Another
>> person mentioned he thought I didn't have enough down-travel on the
>> tab to be effective.
>>
>> Trev Page
>> C-IDUS 601HD 912UL 1 Hour on it.
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2005, at 1:42 AM, Bryan Martin wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
>>> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> I installed a single vernier throttle in my plane. I don't see how
>>> you could
>>> install dual throttles if one of them is a vernier type, you would
>>> not be
>>> able to move the non vernier throttle against the vernier mechanism
>>> of the
>>> other. I have sat in the left seat of my plane and found that it is
>>> not
>>> difficult to reach the throttle on the right side of the panel, I
>>> just have
>>> to switch hands on the stick. I have not tried this in flight
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>>>>
>>>> I forgot to mention that I'm having a bit of a problem with
>>>> throttle
>>>> creep on my 912. On the ground and in flight I have to constantly
>>>> hold onto the throttle otherwise the RPMs will gradually creep up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan Martin
>>> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
>>> do not archive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle creep |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Yes.
do no archive
Johann
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Throttle creep
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> Thanks Johann, am I to assume you used a lathe to make the adjuster
> withe a regular bolt in the end to pinch the control cable?
>
> Trev
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Johann G. wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
> >
> > Hello Trevor.
> >
> > Take a look at my page, where I made a steel attachment to join the
> > rod to
> > the throttle linkage.
> > http://www.gi.is/fis/
> > Go to "panel" in the Zenith section, and you will see the
> > measurements for
> > the joint steel. Hope this will give you an idea.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Johann G.
> > Iceland.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Throttle creep
> >
> >
> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
> >>
> >> Someone else on the list a while ago mentioned he put in verniers on
> >> both sides but on the passenger side he removed the locking insert so
> >> it would move freely and not be able to lock.
> >>
> >> In any case it appears that an ACS750 vernier is probably my best
> >> bet. Considering I have the standard ZAC throttle linkages (works
> >> fine other than the throttle creep) how would I go about attaching
> >> the end of that to the rod on the linkage? Anyone have any pictures
> >> of an adaptation?
> >>
> >> I flew the plane for about 45 minutes last night and the temps are
> >> holding as reported yesterday. I stil have a heavy left wing and my
> >> arm got tired of holding the stick to the right. I dropped the trim
> >> tab on the right aileron down a bit but perhaps not enough. Another
> >> person mentioned he thought I didn't have enough down-travel on the
> >> tab to be effective.
> >>
> >> Trev Page
> >> C-IDUS 601HD 912UL 1 Hour on it.
> >>
> >> On Jun 2, 2005, at 1:42 AM, Bryan Martin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
> >>> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
> >>>
> >>> I installed a single vernier throttle in my plane. I don't see how
> >>> you could
> >>> install dual throttles if one of them is a vernier type, you would
> >>> not be
> >>> able to move the non vernier throttle against the vernier mechanism
> >>> of the
> >>> other. I have sat in the left seat of my plane and found that it is
> >>> not
> >>> difficult to reach the throttle on the right side of the panel, I
> >>> just have
> >>> to switch hands on the stick. I have not tried this in flight
> >>> though.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
> >>>>
> >>>> I forgot to mention that I'm having a bit of a problem with
> >>>> throttle
> >>>> creep on my 912. On the ground and in flight I have to constantly
> >>>> hold onto the throttle otherwise the RPMs will gradually creep up.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Bryan Martin
> >>> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> >>> do not archive.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Jon,
As we say here in Mexico as a joke:
With this kind of "friends" who needs enemies... :-) :-)
Well, Great idea of yours, hope you sell lots of them, I am sure that every
one that gets one will appreciate your advice.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do nor archive.
Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith
Right on, Jon!!
Does the sampler show proper placement of return springs, or is that builder's
choice?
Good show! There will be fewer tired feet and worn out shoes from pacing around
the engine trying to make sense of the German translation into English.
do not archive Zed
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| Subject: | 601XL Fuel Lines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kenneth schooley" <klschooley@hotmail.com>
Before any experimental aircraft is flown it should have the builder do a
'flow test'. This is very easy and it insures an adaquate fuel flow. Most
serious engine problems arise in the first half hour of test
flying.................Thanks, Ken
>From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Lines
>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:34:14 -0700
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
><frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Yup
>
>Frank
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of victor
>verdev
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel Lines
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: victor verdev <vjvus@yahoo.com>
>
>Will the 1/4" I.D. fuel hose that came with kit have enough flow for A
>Lycoming 0-235? Thanks
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert D Johnson <KE6FIS@arrl.net>
Maybe a bit late for the list, but...
I was down there today (Friday). The Zenith factory has a small
booth in the LSA area. There's a 701 on display. Apparently their
601XL got stuck in SoCal somehow, but they found one that a
builder had flown in and it's on display as well. According to
the schedule Zenith is doing a 1-hour forum on their planes
at 10:00AM, and a 2-hour metal building workshop at 2:00PM (both
Saturday).
Now on to a mostly unrelated question: I was happy to see Zenith
there, but disappointed that the factory 601XL was not present.
The reason: I'm a long 6'6", and was hoping I could sit
in the XL to see if it would fit. (Because the XL there
isn't owned by the company and the owner wasn't around, the factory
guys were understandably reluctant to let folks sit in it.)
However, the factory guys did say the accumulated wisdom on this
list was impressive and that I should ask here. Soooo.....any
really tall guys here, and if so, how's the legroom and headroom?
And, what adjustment range is there for the rudder pedals? (Looking
at the scale drawings I'm presuming the seat back is fixed and
non-moveable.) Thanks.
> Time: 10:44:59 AM PST US
> From: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Golden West
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
>
> Any Zodiacs going to the Golden West Fly-in this
> weekend?
> Rich Vetterli
> N56DV (reserved)
> do not archive
>
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Bob Johnson
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