---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/20/05: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:49 AM - New Can-Zac (Dave & Darlene) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: Prop lenght (n801bh@netzero.com) 3. 07:17 AM - Re: New Canadian Zenair reps... (David Barth) 4. 07:40 AM - Turn & Bank Noise (charles.long@gm.com) 5. 08:03 AM - Re: Prop lenght (Eldo@unb.ca) 6. 08:43 AM - Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned (charles.long@gm.com) 7. 09:25 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 8. 09:35 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned (Kent Brown) 9. 09:38 AM - Re: belt drive noise (Gary Gower) 10. 11:23 AM - Randy culp (Zodie Rocket) 11. 11:44 AM - Atlantic Canada (Zodie Rocket) 12. 11:45 AM - CH 601 Friends and Other Interested Folks (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 13. 12:37 PM - Re: CH 601 Friends and Other Interested Folks (Larry McFarland) 14. 01:08 PM - Re: CH 601 Friends and Other Interested Folks (Leo Gates) 15. 03:46 PM - Re: Turn & Bank Noise () 16. 04:06 PM - Re: Atlantic Canada (Steve Hulland) 17. 04:58 PM - Re: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned (Peter Dunning) 18. 05:48 PM - Re: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned (NYTerminat@aol.com) 19. 06:52 PM - Re: Turn & Bank Noise (Jerry Latimer) 20. 07:09 PM - Re: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned (Mike Fothergill) 21. 08:08 PM - Re: Turn & Bank Noise (Jack Russell) 22. 08:25 PM - Re: was -Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned (David Alberti) 23. 09:18 PM - 701 airspeed indicator markings (MElrod3732@AOL.COM) 24. 09:46 PM - Re: 701 airspeed indicator markings (Gary) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:50 AM PST US From: "Dave & Darlene" Subject: Zenith-List: New Can-Zac --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" We all wecome our new Canadian supplier in Ontario. Having met David last year and spending a short time with him the professionalism that I saw was excellent. I've spent many times talking to Mark through e-mails and his knowledge is up there with the best. I couldn't think of two more deserving guys to take over the Canadian end. I wish you guys the best for years to come and we all look forward to dealing with you with all our problems. Good luck and thanks for taking on such a challenge. I know you'll do an excellent job for us. Zenith can be proud of their choice. David Nimigon 601XL 99% to go Alberta ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:20 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Prop lenght --> Zenith-List message posted by: "n801bh@netzero.com" Need a little explanation about props. I read the Gary Wolf article (at www.ch701.com) and in it he states that a prop less than 68" won't perform in a 701. I would be interested in why he thinks so. Why is a long prop better than a short prop? Seems to me that with a shorter prop you just give it a little more bite, same end results. Thoughts please. Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The 701 / 801 is a different design of plane then most others. The main reason for a larger diameter prop is the way the roof and wing root skin is designed. The roof is lower and the root skins act like a funnel to help the prop blast flow over the tail feathers. This keeps them more accurate and effective at lower airspeeds and creates the wonderful STOL performance. The larger ie, "length" of the prop sends more air back there. The limiting factor for prop diameter is tip clearence to the ground. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:13 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New Canadian Zenair reps... --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Hi Everyone. Mark and I would like to express our appreciation for all the notes of congratulations and well wishes we have received from list members on the launch of CAN-ZAC Aviation. Over the years we have enjoyed many hours of reading, writing, and even responding to queries from this list. We have learned a lot and, hopefully, helped other builders from time to time. We worked to make www.ch601.org and www.ch701.com become portals for builders and dreamers to learn from those who came before them. These websites are also intended to help those dreamers to become builders and, like this list, shows prospective builders just how different, how supportive, the Zenith community of builders can be just like a family at times! Since Art Mitchell left Flypass Aviation, we felt that this type of local, builder-friendly support was lacking in Canada. We discussed this with Chris Heintz, then with Sebastien Heintz at Sun n Fun and two months later, CAN-ZAC Aviation was born - the Canadian dealers of all Zenith products. We are both fully aware that this is a list of builders supporting other builders and wannabes. It is our intention to be active on this list only as builders and webmasters. Obviously if we have a tasty tidbit of news that we have permission to leak we will let everyone on this list know but as a commercial venture, we intend to be separate and distinct and primarily, silent on this list. So if anyone has questions for us as CAN-ZAC Aviation, please contact us off-list at info@can-zacaviation.com. Mark and I are both still plans builders and if we find ways to make parts more easily or cheaply you can rest assured that we will post them. It is quite possible that time will be getting in short supply for us both so your patience with us will be greatly appreciated. You will also be happy to know we hope that we plan to continue the Sun-N-Fun BBQ with Jon Croke (and hopefully Rick Roberts) as an annual webmasters event - a gathering of builders with an invitation out to the Great people who support us as builders and webmasters. Once Again Thank-You Happy building and safe Flying David Barth and Mark Townsend, plans builders, webmasters and now partners in CAN-ZAC Aviation. I had the pleasure of finally meeting Mark and Dave this past weekend and even sharing a meal -- great guys. I'm sure that our Canadian service is now in good hands! BTW - FWIW - Art Mitchell, the original Canadian rep a few years ago, under the name "FLYPASS" - told me he's 100 percent pleased with this new representation for the Zenair line in Canada. All the best! -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 --------------------------------- Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:21 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Turn & Bank Noise From: charles.long@gm.com 06/20/2005 10:38:47 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com My aircraft is equipped with a Falcon Turn & Bank indicator and an ICOM A200 communications radio. The T&B is generating a significant amount of noise which comes through on the Radio. Anybody out there come up with a way to isolate the noise from the radio? Thanks Chuck Long N601LE, 8 hr TT ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:39 AM PST US From: Eldo@unb.ca Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Prop lenght --> Zenith-List message posted by: Eldo@unb.ca Larry The answer to this question is like most things related to design: there is usually a compromise and it depends... To use up more power effectively requires more blade area ie. either more blades or more length. The pitch (what you might call "bite") depends upon the engine rpm and the speed at which you want the most efficient use of the prop. Hence the concept of climb or take-off versus cruise pitch. Fixed pitch props have to be a bit of a compromise. Shorter and multi-blade props are usually required for higher speed engines (thus many speed reduction systems for conversions of most auto engines or other engines producing peak power at relatively higher rpm). The shorter blade is needed to keep the tip speed below supersonic speeds where prop efficiency generally falls off. Finally you have the limit of ground clearance that will depend upon the landing gear configuration and length. All of these factors have some well documented equations related to cruise versus climb speed, engine cruise rpm, climb power rpm, etc. but the above gives a little insight as to why length prop matters. So if your 701 has a particularly high prop rpm because of the engine choice, you may need a shorter, three or four blade prop, but you should look to the designer for advice or search EEA for details on prop design/choices. Eldo Hildebrand From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Prop lenght Send reply to: zenith-list@matronics.com > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" > > Larry, I actually asked about this from Gary several years ago, he went > into a great explanation with the facts to prove his point. I can no > longer remember enough of the conversation or facts to prove this point > but I'm sure Gary can. Write him at wolfpack@sentex.net and let all of > us know of his response. > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 > President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter > www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com > > -----Original Message----- > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > Need a little explanation about props. I read the Gary Wolf article (at > www.ch701.com) and in it he states that a prop less than 68" won't > perform in a 701. I would be interested in why he thinks so. Why is a > long prop better than a short prop? Seems to me that with a shorter > prop you just give it a little more bite, same end results. Thoughts > please. > Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned From: charles.long@gm.com 06/20/2005 11:40:37 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com I experienced an engine stoppage during one of my first flights. It occurred at altitude using cruise power with the Aux pump off. The engine immediately restarted after turning the Aux pump on (Windmilling propellor, so engine starter was not required). I repeated the stoppage a 2nd time and confirmed that the Aux pump was required to keep the engine running. My airplane configuration is as follows: 601HDS built from Kit Jabiru 3300A purchased with FWD from ZAC Finger screens in the tank Dual Aux Facet pumps in wing root mounted close to the tank Selector valve on the floor just forward of the wing spar Single line feeding the Gascolator just aft of the firewall Jabiru Engine fuel pump in series with Aux pumps Bosch Metal Can auto fuel filter downstream of the Jab pump Fuel pressure sensor downstream of the Bosch filter Outside air temp - 80 F Jabiru recommends installing the fuel filter upstream rather than downstream of their fuel pump. I did not follow this practice as I was concerned about installing a filter on the suction side of the pump. The fuel system was designed to run at low pressures (<2 psi). The Bosch filter may have caused a high enough pressure drop to reduce the flow to an unacceptable low level. Vapor lock may also have played into this. Fuel flow was tested before the first flight using the Aux pumps and flow was confirmed to be over 20 gph. The test was repeated after this incident and continued to be over 20 gph. The flow was never tested using the Jabiru pump for safety reasons. The Jabiru pump was disassembled and showed no indications of a problem or contamination. The bosch filter was discarded and per the recommendations of those on the Matronics list, a Flow Ezy stainless mesh filter (A S & S, p/n 05-28905) was installed upstream of the Jab pump. The Flow Ezy filter, though rather expensive (close to $100), provides high flow / low pressure drop. This appears to have cured the problem as I have had no additional issues after 6 hours additional flight time. This includes several full power climbs with Aux pumps off. Looking back on this, I should have used the high flow, stainless filter from the git-go. Fortunately, the plane was designed with fuel pump redundancy and the Aux pumps were used during Takeoff and Landing. I hesitate to air my dirty laundry here , but hopefully it will help some other builders to avoid the same mistake. Chuck Long N601LE, 8 hr TT ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:13 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Bingo!....Fuel pumps in the wrong place equals vapour lock. Firstly Charles thankyou for being open and pointing out what we have been saying for a long time is a real possibility. One observation I have is that is you have the low pressure facet pumps in the wing roots and you now know you will have to rely on them, then there is no reason not to install the filter you describe (even a high pressure loss filter) before the engine driven pump. Providing of course the Facets develop enough pressure to provide positive pressure at the inlet of the engine driven pump. Personally I don't like the engine driven pump because it is a single point of failure but I have been told that you cannot delete this pump with the Jab motor...I have not personally confirmed this. Not sure if you have this but it is wise to use a low cost (2.5 bucks) fuel filter at the discharge of EACH Facet rather than rely on a single filter prior in the line feeding the engine from a single point of failure perspective. Regards Frank I experienced an engine stoppage during one of my first flights. It occurred at altitude using cruise power with the Aux pump off. The engine immediately restarted after turning the Aux pump on (Windmilling propellor, so engine starter was not required). I repeated the stoppage a 2nd time and confirmed that the Aux pump was required to keep the engine running. My airplane configuration is as follows: ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:51 AM PST US From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" Chuck, It's not dirty laundry. It's very useful info, the very reason we all hang out here! Thanks! Kent Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles.long@gm.com > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:41 AM > To: Zenith-List Digest List > Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com > > I experienced an engine stoppage during one of my first flights. It > occurred at altitude using cruise power with the Aux pump off. The engine > immediately restarted after turning the Aux pump on (Windmilling > propellor, > so engine starter was not required). I repeated the stoppage a 2nd time > and confirmed that the Aux pump was required to keep the engine running. > My airplane configuration is as follows: > > 601HDS built from Kit > Jabiru 3300A purchased with FWD from ZAC > Finger screens in the tank > Dual Aux Facet pumps in wing root mounted close to the tank > Selector valve on the floor just forward of the wing spar > Single line feeding the Gascolator just aft of the firewall > Jabiru Engine fuel pump in series with Aux pumps > Bosch Metal Can auto fuel filter downstream of the Jab pump > Fuel pressure sensor downstream of the Bosch filter > Outside air temp - 80 F > > Jabiru recommends installing the fuel filter upstream rather than > downstream of their fuel pump. I did not follow this practice as I was > concerned about installing a filter on the suction side of the pump. > > The fuel system was designed to run at low pressures (<2 psi). The > Bosch filter may have caused a high enough pressure drop to reduce the > flow > to an unacceptable low level. Vapor lock may also have played into this. > Fuel flow was tested before the first flight using the Aux pumps and flow > was confirmed to be over 20 gph. The test was repeated after this > incident > and continued to be over 20 gph. The flow was never tested using the > Jabiru pump for safety reasons. The Jabiru pump was disassembled and > showed no indications of a problem or contamination. > > The bosch filter was discarded and per the recommendations of those > on the Matronics list, a Flow Ezy stainless mesh filter (A S & S, p/n > 05-28905) was installed upstream of the Jab pump. The Flow Ezy filter, > though rather expensive (close to $100), provides high flow / low pressure > drop. This appears to have cured the problem as I have had no additional > issues after 6 hours additional flight time. This includes several full > power climbs with Aux pumps off. > > Looking back on this, I should have used the high flow, stainless > filter from the git-go. Fortunately, the plane was designed with fuel > pump > redundancy and the Aux pumps were used during Takeoff and Landing. > > I hesitate to air my dirty laundry here , but hopefully it will help > some other builders to avoid the same mistake. > > Chuck Long > N601LE, 8 hr TT > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:14 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: belt drive noise --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Grant, Just a little caution words, check out how much you can loosen the belt, so the teeth dont jump over the gears. If they jump over the gear, there could be lots of stress in all the reduction and the engine, this belts are very strong. Good luck in finding the noise. Saludos Gary Gower. Grant Corriveau wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau Ben, Mark, Gary et al, Thanks for the pointers. I'll try loosening the belt a twitch to see if anything changes.... see if I can zero in on the noise without sticking my head in the prop to listen! ;-) I'll keep you posted.... -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:23 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Randy culp --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" Sorry list I lost Randy's E-Mail address, Randy a guest is always welcome to the builders dinner. Do not archive Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:04 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Atlantic Canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" We all remember what it was like to decide to build a plane and some of us plowed right into it without even having had a flight in it. I have just been contacted by just such a gentleman in Atlantic Canada. Does anyone on this list have a flying 601 in the Atlantic coast? Would you mind sharing an hour of your time to give another builder a flight of a lifetime? Over the years I have arranged many such rides for people close to me, and even a few over distance. Last year I was considering making a private list of people who would be open to taking a builder for a flight. This way a new builder can meet with someone who has achieved there dream and be able to provide inspiration to the new builders. So anyone who wouldn't mind please E-Mail me at cdngoose@hsfx.ca and I will make a list with phone #'s to keep handy. When we get a new member on the list that would love a chance at a flight I will contact the person with the flying plane and forward the E-Mail address of the new person so that it is solely the decision (without obligation) of the flying plane owner. I wish to only do North America at this time, if it works out then maybe we can expand the idea. IF you think I'm nuts let me know, but I have yet to meet any Zenith builder who wasn't happy to share there experience with new builders. Thanks Folks. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:43 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: CH 601 Friends and Other Interested Folks --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Dear Thread Friends, I finally got to fly my XL this morning. Even though the first flight was a week ago I had to finish a couple Alarus hours to satisfy the underwriters. That and the radios are being cantankerous. Today everything went well. Just as stated you just push the throttle and before the engine even gets to max rpm with finger tip pressure she bobs up and gone. Climbs fast and strong. Gentle pressure on the stick gets quick honest turns and climbs. Needed only a touch of trim for level flight at 3000 ft. Landing was a bit faster than I expected, but the flaps have a sure positive effect and really change the AOA for touchdown. Ground effect was noticeable, welcome and provided a true buffer. I was all together pleased. One modification that I will employ is to add a second flap switch on the panel at the throttle for finger control. This releasing the throttle from my left hand, switching left to right on the control and toggling the flaps with the right hand and return to right hand on the stick is cumbersome and potentially dangerous. Didn't think it would be when I laid it all out, but sure has to be changed now that I have done it. After the thrill of this morning it's going to be a little difficult to get interested in my job this p.m. Ha., Now to kick the rest of these Phase I hours in the book. Best regards. Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:29 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 601 Friends and Other Interested Folks --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Congratulations Bill, You're just getting into the most fun part, exploration of your 601's flight characteristics. Sounds like yours is going to be a good experience too. Keep us up on what's happening as you get further along with it. Do fly safe, Larry McFarland do not archive JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > >Dear Thread Friends, I finally got to fly my XL this morning. Even though the >first flight was a week ago I had to finish a couple Alarus hours to satisfy >the underwriters. That and the radios are being cantankerous. Today everything >went well. Just as stated you just push the throttle and before the engine >even gets to max rpm with finger tip pressure she bobs up and gone. Climbs fast >and strong. Gentle pressure on the stick gets quick honest turns and climbs. >Needed only a touch of trim for level flight at 3000 ft. Landing was a bit >faster than I expected, but the flaps have a sure positive effect and really >change the AOA for touchdown. Ground effect was noticeable, welcome and provided a >true buffer. I was all together pleased. One modification that I will employ >is to add a second flap switch on the panel at the throttle for finger control. >This releasing the throttle from my left hand, switching left to right on the >control and toggling the flaps with the right hand and return to right hand >on the stick is cumbersome and potentially dangerous. Didn't think it would be >when I laid it all out, but sure has to be changed now that I have done it. >After the thrill of this morning it's going to be a little difficult to get >interested in my job this p.m. Ha., Now to kick the rest of these Phase I hours in >the book. Best regards. Bill of Georgia > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:10 PM PST US From: "Leo Gates" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 601 Friends and Other Interested Folks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" Good on you Bill. You can now have as much fun as the rest of us. Leo Gates N601Z -------Original Message------- From: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 601 Friends and Other Interested Folks --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Congratulations Bill, You're just getting into the most fun part, exploration of your 601's flight characteristics. Sounds like yours is going to be a good experience too. Keep us up on what's happening as you get further along with it. Do fly safe, Larry McFarland do not archive JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > >Dear Thread Friends, I finally got to fly my XL this morning. Even though the >first flight was a week ago I had to finish a couple Alarus hours to satisfy >the underwriters. That and the radios are being cantankerous. Today everything >went well. Just as stated you just push the throttle and before the engine >even gets to max rpm with finger tip pressure she bobs up and gone. Climbs fast >and strong. Gentle pressure on the stick gets quick honest turns and climbs >Needed only a touch of trim for level flight at 3000 ft. Landing was a bit >faster than I expected, but the flaps have a sure positive effect and really >change the AOA for touchdown. Ground effect was noticeable, welcome and provided a >true buffer. I was all together pleased. One modification that I will employ >is to add a second flap switch on the panel at the throttle for finger control. >This releasing the throttle from my left hand, switching left to right on the >control and toggling the flaps with the right hand and return to right hand >on the stick is cumbersome and potentially dangerous. Didn't think it would be >when I laid it all out, but sure has to be changed now that I have done it. >After the thrill of this morning it's going to be a little difficult to get >interested in my job this p.m. Ha., Now to kick the rest of these Phase I hours in >the book. Best regards. Bill of Georgia > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:30 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Turn & Bank Noise --> Zenith-List message posted by: My turn bank has started being very loud intermittently; not through the radio-audible noise. I also have the Falcon unit from ACSS. Has anyone else experienced this? It apears to function ok, but I'm concerned that its doom is near. Btw...it only has ~140 hours on it; I won't be happy if it dies. Greg --- charles.long@gm.com wrote: From: charles.long@gm.com 06/20/2005 10:38:47 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Turn Bank Noise -- Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com My aircraft is equipped with a Falcon Turn Bank indicator and an ICOM A200 communications radio. The TB is generating a significant amount of noise which comes through on the Radio. Anybody out there come up with a way to isolate the noise from the radio? Thanks Chuck Long N601LE, 8 hr TT Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:41 PM PST US From: Steve Hulland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Atlantic Canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland I am about 50% done with my CH 701 and would really enjoy a flight, especially in an older CH701 powered by a Rotax 782. Steve Hulland 2111 West Dove Way Amado, AZ 85645 On 6/20/05, Zodie Rocket wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" > > We all remember what it was like to decide to build a plane and some of > us plowed right into it without even having had a flight in it. I have > just been contacted by just such a gentleman in Atlantic Canada. Does > anyone on this list have a flying 601 in the Atlantic coast? Would you > mind sharing an hour of your time to give another builder a flight of a > lifetime? Over the years I have arranged many such rides for people > close to me, and even a few over distance. > Last year I was considering making a private list of people who would be > open to taking a builder for a flight. This way a new builder can meet > with someone who has achieved there dream and be able to provide > inspiration to the new builders. So anyone who wouldn't mind please > E-Mail me at cdngoose@hsfx.ca and I will make a list with phone #'s to > keep handy. When we get a new member on the list that would love a > chance at a flight I will contact the person with the flying plane and > forward the E-Mail address of the new person so that it is solely the > decision (without obligation) of the flying plane owner. I wish to only > do North America at this time, if it works out then maybe we can expand > the idea. IF you think I'm nuts let me know, but I have yet to meet any > Zenith builder who wasn't happy to share there experience with new > builders. > > Thanks Folks. > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 > President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter > www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ > www.Osprey2.com > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:54 PM PST US From: Peter Dunning Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned --> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Dunning Hi Charles, As a comment, I would suggest that the Facet pumps should not be in series with the engine pump as they merely load the engine pump when not operating, thus contributing to potential VL. When the Facets are in parallel to the engine pump, a check valve in series with the engine pump would be a good investment. The issue arises with parallel Facet pumps, in that the output pressure should not exceed the carburetor max. value. All credit to you for raising this issue on the list. Cheers Peter Dunning CH601HD/912S/ZK-SPD ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:16 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com List, Could someone draw a diagram on the fuel pump parallel layout with the check valves? Thanks Bob Spudis ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:02 PM PST US From: "Jerry Latimer" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Turn & Bank Noise --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerry Latimer" You might try asking this question on the aeroelectric list or searching the archives of the aeroelectric list. I believe this subject was discussed in the past. This problem with the Falcon T&B seems to be noted for this problem. Jerry --> Zenith-List message posted by: My turn bank has started being very loud intermittently; not through the radio-audible noise. I also have the Falcon unit from ACSS. Has anyone else experienced this? It apears to function ok, but I'm concerned that its doom is near. Btw...it only has ~140 hours on it; I won't be happy if it dies. Greg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:46 PM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Hi; My parallel pump works fine even when the engine pump failed. There is Very very little pressure difference with one or both pumps running. You do not need any extra check valves. Try blowing backwards through either pump. There is very little leakage and it is not enough to prevent sufficient fuel from getting to the carbs. The facet pump is mounted at the bottom of the engine side of the firewall. There is plenty of airflow there. Mike CH-601HDS with 1000+ hours UHS Spinners NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com > > List, > > Could someone draw a diagram on the fuel pump parallel layout with the check > valves? > > Thanks > > Bob Spudis > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:56 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Turn & Bank Noise --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell Chuck: Must be something about icom and falcon which is not compatible. I had the same problem and I am sorry to say the only answer was to remove the Falcon and throw it as far as possible. I did everything that was recommended including shielded wire, capacitor, diodes, tin can on the instrument, and even a seperate battery source. I took it out of the panel and sent it back to falcon and got another one with the same problem. It may work fine with another radio intercom setup but I wouldn't waste your time with it. I guess we get what we pay for. I will replace it with a solid state gyro like the pictorial pilot turn bank. Jack in Clovis Ca charles.long@gm.com wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com My aircraft is equipped with a Falcon Turn & Bank indicator and an ICOM A200 communications radio. The T&B is generating a significant amount of noise which comes through on the Radio. Anybody out there come up with a way to isolate the noise from the radio? Thanks Chuck Long N601LE, 8 hr TT ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:13 PM PST US From: "David Alberti" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: was -Fuel Filter Placement - Lessons Learned --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" As and aside to what kind of air flow is under the cowl, last week I pulled the cowl to do a routine check and found my firewall splattered with bugs in the area above the upper gear support. Granted they were small bugs but splattered just the same. Dave 601 HD 912ULS ....posted by: Mike Fothergill The facet pump is mounted at the bottom of the engine side of the firewall. There is plenty of airflow there. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:51 PM PST US From: MElrod3732@AOL.COM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 airspeed indicator markings --> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com Hello fellow builders: I am installing the airspeed indicator in my 701 and was wondering at what airspeed values to paint the white, green, and yellow arcs. Could someone please provide those speeds or tell me where to obtain them. I would also appreciate techniques on the best, and neatest, way to paint those arcs. Thanks in advance, Mike Elrod ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:03 PM PST US From: "Gary" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 airspeed indicator markings --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary" Take a look at these: Operating Range Decals from Aircraft Spruce OPERATING RANGE DECALS P/N 10-03905 Yellow, red, green and white, pressure sensitive. Just pull off backing and place on instrument lens. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/operangedecal.php Gary Melton ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: 701 airspeed indicator markings > --> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com > > Hello fellow builders: I am installing the airspeed indicator in my 701 > and > was wondering at what airspeed values to paint the white, green, and > yellow > arcs. > Could someone please provide those speeds or tell me where to obtain > them. > I would also appreciate techniques on the best, and neatest, way to paint > those arcs. > Thanks in advance, > > Mike Elrod > > >