---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/23/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:56 AM - Re: Connection to Main bus (Johann G.) 2. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Sales Tax () 3. 07:30 AM - Performance #'s for Zenith 601HDS with Nose Gear (charles.long@gm.com) 4. 07:56 AM - Re: Sentimental Journey () 5. 08:29 AM - Re: powerplant for zodiac Date: ...7 Jun 2005 09:55:12 +0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs... (lnk) 6. 10:45 AM - 8ft brake (M. Swedenklef) 7. 11:39 AM - Re: Performance #'s for Zenith 601HDS with Nose Gear (JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM) 8. 03:34 PM - 601 HDS kit for sale (vbwiz vbwiz) 9. 03:46 PM - Re: Performance #'s for Zenith 601HDS with Nose Gear (David Alberti) 10. 04:15 PM - ivo props??? (Tim Egan) 11. 04:51 PM - Re: ivo props??? (Larry McFarland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:03 AM PST US From: "Johann G." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Connection to Main bus --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." Hello Brian. I am using solution #1. Works great so far. My main bus is located behind the instrument panel. Otherwise it is like you describe in # 1. One other thing about the battery contactor. When you connect the switch to the contactor, this wire is to be grounded, so you need to run a separate wire from the large pole (where 4 AWG wire is connected) to the main bus. Do not ask me how I found out. Sorry, I am not an electrician. :-) Hope this helps. Johann G. Iceland. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Connection to Main bus > --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com > > I posted this on the Aeroelectric list but would like to know what you guys > think. > > > A quick question to the group. I am using drawing Z-16 Rotax 912, I have my > battery and battery contactor behind the passenger seat in my Zenith 701 and > not on the firewall. > > Should I: > > 1) Run the 4 AWG wire from the battery contactor up thru the firewall, > connect to the > starter contacter, then run a separate wire from the starter contacter > back thru the > firewall to the main bus. > > 2) Run the 4 AWG wire from the battery contactor to the main bus fuse > block, then run > from the fuseblock thru the firewall to the starter contactor. > > 3) Run the 4 AWG wire from the battery contactor to a standalone terminal > from west marine > to a location up near the firewall and then 2 4AWG split from this > terminal to the main bus > and another thru the firewall to the starter contactor. > > > Thanks > > Brian > > _http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/_ > (http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/) > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:17 AM PST US From: <1global@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Sales Tax --> Zenith-List message posted by: <1global@adelphia.net> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "kenneth schooley" > >In Calif. that isn't needed because there is no sales tax on any homebuilt >(experimental) acft. Kenneth, No sales tax on homebuilt aircraft in California??? Where did you get this information and if you can submit a link to that ruling then we can put this question to rest. Publication 79A on the California State Board of Equalization website is specific on the sales tax laws when purchasing an aircraft for use in CA whether or not it was purchased in California. Sales tax must be paid. It does not differentiate homebuilt aircraft from any other aircraft but if you can show that you paid tax on the kit or parts from scratch build then I'd think you won't have to pay again. I'd show all expenses in a letter with receipts showing tax paid on all parts along the way and submit it with Pub 79A. The state will figure out if any tax is due. Keep accurate records. Submit Pub 79A, pay what you think is due and hope for the best. I'd hate to get hit later with interest and penalties. You can always call the state and ask them. If they tell you no tax is due, get it in writing . Don't forget that you also pay Personal Property Tax each year on aircraft in CA. Rob On Jun 22, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Jack Russell wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell Ron: Didn't work that way in california. Bought an ercoupe from a individual and the state wanted it all plus penalities. But of course this is california, what else would you expect. Jack in Clovis CA do not archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees ---- Jack Russell wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell > > > Ron: Didn't work that way in california. Bought an ercoupe from a individual and the state wanted it all plus penalities. But of course this is california, what else would you expect. Jack in Clovis CA > > do not archive > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > . I told them, and produced a bill of sale, that > > showed that I had purchased the project from a Gerogia resident and they > > agreed that no tax was due. Casual sales between individuals in the > > same state are not subject to tax. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:39 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Performance #'s for Zenith 601HDS with Nose Gear From: charles.long@gm.com 06/23/2005 10:29:40 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com For those of you planning to use the Jabiru 3300 on your 601, thought I would wet your taste buds a little bit: Outside air temp: 85 F Flight weight: 910 lb (940 lb empty) Airplane model: 601HDS, with nose wheel & forward tilt canopy Wheel pants not yet installed Climb rate at 3000 ft density altitude: 1300 fpm Full Throttle speed at 7500 ft: 134 mph Speed was checked with a GPS using two runs, one North and one South. Should pick up another 3 or 4 mph with the wheel pants installed and hopefully a few more mph with some other drag cleanups. Looks like the 601 HDS may be capable of meeting ZAC original claims for 140 mph max cruise when you add another 25 hp into the mix. Have noticed the 601 is no glider with its short, fat little wings. You really notice it when you pull the power back and look at the deck angle required to achieve over 110 mph. All in all, a great flying airplane that should have reasonable cross country capability. Haven't found any bad habits so far. Looking forward to building some hours this summer! Chuck Long, CFI N601LE, 8.5 hr TT ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sentimental Journey From: clamav-milter version 0.80j on cepheus --> Zenith-List message posted by: We'll be there. Hope to leave N85 in the early AM and get to Lock Haven no later than 8:00 AM. Please have coffee ready. BTW, we'll have our Zenair T shirts on... Jeff Glasserow CH 601 HDS N6384E > --> Zenith-List message posted by: WAYNE BEATTIE > > > If it were not for the cold front moving through Eastern Pa an and New > York, Jeff Small and I would already be parked on the flightline. We > both expect to get there Thursday morning and stay through Saturday. > > We expect we will be parked in the "camping area" which is on the South > East area of the airport grounds. This is essentially the "core" area > for the event. > > If you are coming in for the day, they will park you a bit further away, > but in the same area of the airport. Tell the Unicom operator if you > will be camping or just staying for the day. When you get on the > taxiway, they will direct you. You might have to walk a couple hundred > feet to find us if parking in the non-camping area. But I'll bet we > find you first! > > This is not an Oshkosh where you have to search for hours to find > anything. Just a laid back event you can relax and enjoy. Just remember > when flying in, there are lots of slow moving Cubs puttering about > without radios, so keep your eyes moving! And there are two runways in > use in parallel. One paved and one grass. Cubs almost always use the > grass. > > If we get two Zodiacs, we can call this the official "First Annual East > Coast Zodiac Fly-In". Three or more will be a minor invasion of Piper > territory. > Even though it is mostly a Piper event, I spend a lot of time answering > questions about the Zodiac and homebuilding. Lots of fun educating the > locals. > > The weather should cooperate for the rest of the event. > > Come and enjoy. > > Wayne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Glasserow" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Sentimental Journey > > >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" >> >> >> Is anyone from the list going to go on Friday? I plan to fly in early >> Friday morning. If others are going to be there where are you going >> to park? >> Jeff Glasserow >> CH 601 HDS >> N6384E >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:12 AM PST US From: "lnk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: powerplant for zodiac Date: ...7 Jun 2005 09:55:12 +0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lnk" Like you I am very interested in using a rotary engine in an XL but the Mazda choices don't seem to fit very well either because of weight or excessive horsepower. Even Chris Hientz has suggested that rotary engines are a perfect fit for this design. But, from the reading I have done in regards rotary use in other aircraft, it appears to be difficult to sort out cooling, oiling, etc. There are some new Wankel engines either new to the market or close to release that are interesting. Check http://www.uavenginesltd.co.uk/index.php?id=393 as a source in Europe and http://www.freedom-motors.com/ for some interesting engines that are not quite there yet. Anyway, I have plenty of time to consider this as my project went on hold when I decided I needed to have some place to build my dream and went and bought a 150 year old farm house. Now I have to rebuild in order to build. Larry Kilburg 601XL in holding pattern When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return. - Leonardo da Vinci ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz" > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz" > > > I started building CH601 Zodiac, and I am thinking about putting > mazda wankel in it. The main point is - how high the fuel > consumption is (per hour) The subaru conversions seems to be more > reliable in words of fuel economy, and parts availability, but are > heavier and bigger. Does anyone here has some experience with rotaries? > > Cheers > Tadeusz Forgacz > Poland ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:58 AM PST US From: "M. Swedenklef" Subject: Zenith-List: 8ft brake --> Zenith-List message posted by: "M. Swedenklef" Hi I have been reading this list occasionally and been thinking of building an XL. I am not in a position to start any project soon. I thought that this 8ft metal brake could be of interest to someone in the Cincinnati area. www.hiltonauctioneer.com the auction is on Saturday. I just found it on their web site and I don't know anything about the item. Mattias ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:35 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Performance #'s for Zenith 601HDS with Nose Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Chuck, check your numbers on the weight. Empty 940 pounds ? The perfomance sounds good. Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HDS kit for sale From: "vbwiz vbwiz" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "vbwiz vbwiz" A Zodiac 601 HDS kit is for sale. Information can be found on barnstormers.com and the upcoming issue of aerotrader magazine. Interested persons may contact me directly for more information. Regards, DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:10 PM PST US From: "David Alberti" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Performance #'s for Zenith 601HDS with Nose Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" Chuck, were you carrying helium to get your flight weight 30 lbs less than your empty weight??:) do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of charles.long@gm.com Subject: Zenith-List: Performance #'s for Zenith 601HDS with Nose Gear --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com For those of you planning to use the Jabiru 3300 on your 601, thought I would wet your taste buds a little bit: Outside air temp: 85 F Flight weight: 910 lb (940 lb empty) Airplane model: 601HDS, with nose wheel & forward tilt canopy Wheel pants not yet installed Climb rate at 3000 ft density altitude: 1300 fpm Full Throttle speed at 7500 ft: 134 mph Speed was checked with a GPS using two runs, one North and one South. Should pick up another 3 or 4 mph with the wheel pants installed and hopefully a few more mph with some other drag cleanups. Looks like the 601 HDS may be capable of meeting ZAC original claims for 140 mph max cruise when you add another 25 hp into the mix. Have noticed the 601 is no glider with its short, fat little wings. You really notice it when you pull the power back and look at the deck angle required to achieve over 110 mph. All in all, a great flying airplane that should have reasonable cross country capability. Haven't found any bad habits so far. Looking forward to building some hours this summer! Chuck Long, CFI N601LE, 8.5 hr TT ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:59 PM PST US From: "Tim Egan" Subject: Zenith-List: ivo props??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" Anyone here running an IVO ground adjustable prop? 601HD, having trouble getting faster than 110 mph. Any ideas? TimE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:43 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ivo props??? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Tim, What's your engine type? That could have a bit to do with it. You could find someone with HDS wings that wants to trade for your HDs. I've got a new design set of wheel pants that gets you a little extra. You should read the archives on IVO props first. They're an odd configuration that some have had difficulty with reliability. Larry McFarland 601HDS @ www.macsmachine.com Tim Egan wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Egan" > >Anyone here running an IVO ground >adjustable prop? > >601HD, having trouble getting faster >than 110 mph. Any ideas? > >TimE > > > >