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1. 12:26 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 03:52 AM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (Tommy Walker)
3. 04:51 AM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
4. 07:15 AM - HD/HDS Fuel Tanks (Zodie Rocket)
5. 09:20 AM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (Monty Graves)
6. 11:40 AM - engine wanted (Steve Cooper)
7. 01:33 PM - cortex vs zinc chromate ()
8. 04:54 PM - Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (Jeff Davidson)
9. 05:09 PM - 701 Kit arrives (Dan Wilde)
10. 05:35 PM - Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (Kelly Meiste)
11. 05:41 PM - Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
12. 06:24 PM - Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (David Alberti)
13. 06:48 PM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (Steve Hulland)
14. 07:23 PM - Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (Jeff Davidson)
15. 10:49 PM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (NYTerminat@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
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Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Kit arrives |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
It's hot in Alabama too. I took my drawings to Office Depot and had a
working copy made and stored my original copy in a cool dry place. My
garage was built in 1931 and is 10x20 with no ceiling, just the rafters, 1x
decking and barrel tile, hot in summer and cold in winter (well relatively
cold in winter).
I've been working on my kit since December,2004 and still in a learning mode
although it's getting a little easier. What would I have done without the
Matronics Zenith-List? It has really helped. Even comments by low-wingers
are helpful :-)
Tommy Walker in Alabama
(Rudder, Stabilizer, elevator, Rt & Lt Wing, Flaperons done. Starting on
Slats)
"I have been lurking for a while and getting great information from the
list. Now
I get to put some of this information to use since I picked up my 701
kit from
Yellow Freight yesterday. The only problem is my shop in now over 100
F and
sweating on the plans is making it hard to read; also wrinkles the
paper.
Sure doesn't look like much when all of the parts are stacked in a
small corner.
Do not archive
Dan Wilde
eagle51@ix.netcom.com"
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Kit arrives |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Tommy:
You're not alone; my garage is very similar but I installed plywood across
the ceiling joists and use the attic to store parts as I complete them. Right
now the collection holds a rudder, stabilizer, and flaps.
After making a working copy of my plans, I got two 11x17 loose-leaf binders
(with the rings on the 11" side) from _www.11x17.com_ (http://www.11x17.com)
and it was a good decision. The plans are still in good shape, and my
archive copy is perfect. Look for p/n _1117-1SDV-BP_
(http://www.11x17.com/Product.htm?ProductID=57)
Office Depot wanted $50/binder - I told them they were insane!
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl N458XL (reserved)
do not archive
In a message dated 7/2/2005 7:28:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
twalker@cableone.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
It's hot in Alabama too. I took my drawings to Office Depot and had a
working copy made and stored my original copy in a cool dry place. My
garage was built in 1931 and is 10x20 with no ceiling, just the rafters, 1x
decking and barrel tile, hot in summer and cold in winter (well relatively
cold in winter).
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| Subject: | HD/HDS Fuel Tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Hi Folks I ran into this on E-Bay, after discussion with the owner I
found out that I cannot use them in a 601XL but they would be perfect
for the HD/HDS.
Item # 5594516873
Description
these are brand new rotational molded polyethelyne 10 gal tanks
originally made for ultralight aircraft application. found these work
very well as fuel tanks for the zodiac 601 hd wings. 2 bottom fittings,
both 3/8" pipe thread, and 10/32 thread screw inserts along aft
perimeter of tanks for mounting options. Tanks weigh 6lbs each, and
sold as a pair, and will ship in 1 box as a pair.
The seller informed me that he has 6 of these tanks. Hope this helps
someone!!
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751
President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Kit arrives |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
I went to KINKOS and had them put poster board stock on front and back.
Remove the staples. Then spiral bind the top. That way the plans lay flat
on the table all the time. It works well, better than a three
binder, and costs $4.00 total.
Monty
>Office Depot wanted $50/binder - I told them they were insane!
>
>
>Tracy Smith
>Naugatuck, CT
>601xl N458XL (reserved)
>do not archive
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user sportflyer) by webmail.emcity.net with HTTP; Sat,
2 Jul 2005 12:32:28.-0600@roxy.matronics.com (MDT)
looking for used Rotax 912/912S. Cash in Hand.
sportflyer@emcity.net
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| Subject: | cortex vs zinc chromate |
0.38 FROM_NO_LOWER From address has no lower-case characters
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <EROC@BRIGHT.NET>
Can cortex and zinc chromate be used on same assembly,for ex can I apply cortex
to
the ribs and use zinc chromate on the skin? Also where can I get zinc chromate
in powder form and mix it with paint thinner to spray on?
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| Subject: | Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Well folks I=92m finally making great progress! I=92m currently putting the
tires and tubes on the Matco wheels. I=92m looking forward to seeing it stand
on its own. I bought my wheels from ZAC in August 1999 as part of a Gears
and Wheels component kit. It seems that the current available bolts for
these wheels are AN4s =96 =BC inch in diameter =96 per Matco. My wheel halves
came bolted together but with AN5 bolts. The bolts have a Hex head for an
Allen wrench. The nut is a fiber lock nut. Both are =BD inch. The problem
is that I=92ve tried many, many sockets, but I can=92t get a =BD inch socket into
the recessed hole to grab the lock nut. This may be an old problem. At
least one post in the archives mentions multiple types of Matco wheels.
Evidently the Matco assets were sold in 2000 so this might pre-date the
current company. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks =85
Jeff Davidson
Still building =85. CH601-HD
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Wilde" <eagle51@ix.netcom.com>
I complained yesterday about it being hot in my shop (and it is) but I do have
a portable swamp cooler that works great. I roll it to where I am working and
it blasts me with 80 degree air. I am located in the Central Valley of CA (Turlock)
where the summers are long and hot but not like Tucson or Phoenix.
Outside of the heat I am fortunate to have a 30 X 50 metal uninsulated shop to
work in. I built the shop a few years ago before the price of steel and concrete
went sky high. There were lots of bolts, rivets and large sheets of metal
in that project also. Outside of the shop is a 900 foot runway that I currently
use for my TEAM AirBike and I suspect the runway will do just fine for the
701. I assume the 701 with a 912 will not be more noisy than a two cycle
ultralight.
Dan Wilde
eagle51@ix.netcom.com
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
The problem
> is that I=92ve tried many, many sockets, but I can=92t get a =BD inch
> socket into
> the recessed hole to grab the lock nut. This may be an old problem. At
> least one post in the archives mentions multiple types of Matco wheels.
> Evidently the Matco assets were sold in 2000 so this might pre-date the
> current company. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks =85
>
>
> Jeff Davidson
>
> Still building =85. CH601-HD
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeff,
I purchased my Matco wheels at approx the same time period. I had to put my
socket in a lathe
and turn down the sockets outside diameter in order to get it to fit,
nothing else would work.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD (120 hours)
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Sounds like you need a "thin-wall" socket. The guys in the Snap-On truck
might have it, but I had the same problem with swing-arm bolts & locknuts on
the BMW motorcycle. 20 minutes later with some very careful grinding ( I did
not have access to a lathe at the time) came a usable tool.
Try it
Tracy Smith
Naugatuck, CT
601xl
N458XL (reserved)
do not archive
In a message dated 7/2/2005 8:36:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kellymeiste@jcwifi.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" <kellymeiste@jcwifi.com>
The problem
> is that I=92ve tried many, many sockets, but I can=92t get a =BD inch
> socket into
> the recessed hole to grab the lock nut. This may be an old problem. At
> least one post in the archives mentions multiple types of Matco wheels.
> Evidently the Matco assets were sold in 2000 so this might pre-date the
> current company. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks =85
>
>
> Jeff Davidson
>
> Still building =85. CH601-HD
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeff,
I purchased my Matco wheels at approx the same time period. I had to put my
socket in a lathe
and turn down the sockets outside diameter in order to get it to fit,
nothing else would work.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD (120 hours)
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| Subject: | Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Take a look at some 1/4 inch drive sockets. Many have thin walls because
they are not designed for high torque.
Dave 601-HD 912ULS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff
Davidson
Subject: Zenith-List: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson"
<jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
The problem is that I've tried many, many sockets, but I can't get a inch
socket into
the recessed hole to grab the lock nut.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Kit arrives |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Dan,
Probably correct about the noise with the 912 and I am sure you are correct
about the runway. I may be able to blade a 350' strip on my property. Bet
the county will object. May try anyway. After the airplane is flying and I
am well versed and practiced in its ability, I intend to at least do a
couple of landings and takeoffs on my property. We shall see. Is Turlock
anywhere near Fresno, Bakersfield or NAS Lamoore?
Steve
On 7/2/05, Dan Wilde <eagle51@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Wilde" <eagle51@ix.netcom.com>
>
> I complained yesterday about it being hot in my shop (and it is) but I do
> have a portable swamp cooler that works great. I roll it to where I am
> working and it blasts me with 80 degree air. I am located in the Central
> Valley of CA (Turlock) where the summers are long and hot but not like
> Tucson or Phoenix.
>
> Outside of the heat I am fortunate to have a 30 X 50 metal uninsulated
> shop to work in. I built the shop a few years ago before the price of steel
> and concrete went sky high. There were lots of bolts, rivets and large
> sheets of metal in that project also. Outside of the shop is a 900 foot
> runway that I currently use for my TEAM AirBike and I suspect the runway
> will do just fine for the 701. I assume the 701 with a 912 will not be more
> noisy than a two cycle ultralight.
>
> Dan Wilde
> eagle51@ix.netcom.com
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
>
>
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| Subject: | Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Thanks to all for the suggestions. I suspect that I'll have to turn down
the outside diameter of a socket like Kelly did. I can say that a Craftsman
quarter inch drive half inch deep socket will not fit. It is good to know
the problem is not unique!
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Kit arrives |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com
I seperated each group of dwgs. IE rudder, fuselage, controls, ect. installed
a binder clip on top of dwgs, and put a clear laminate film over each plan.
they have stood up to much abuse in my shop.
Dig in and start building!
Bob Spudis
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