---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/02/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com) 2. 03:52 AM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (Tommy Walker) 3. 04:51 AM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 4. 07:15 AM - HD/HDS Fuel Tanks (Zodie Rocket) 5. 09:20 AM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (Monty Graves) 6. 11:40 AM - engine wanted (Steve Cooper) 7. 01:33 PM - cortex vs zinc chromate () 8. 04:54 PM - Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (Jeff Davidson) 9. 05:09 PM - 701 Kit arrives (Dan Wilde) 10. 05:35 PM - Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (Kelly Meiste) 11. 05:41 PM - Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 12. 06:24 PM - Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (David Alberti) 13. 06:48 PM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (Steve Hulland) 14. 07:23 PM - Re: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts (Jeff Davidson) 15. 10:49 PM - Re: 701 Kit arrives (NYTerminat@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:46 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com Dear Lister, Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Zenith-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Zenith-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. 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This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:50 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Kit arrives --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" It's hot in Alabama too. I took my drawings to Office Depot and had a working copy made and stored my original copy in a cool dry place. My garage was built in 1931 and is 10x20 with no ceiling, just the rafters, 1x decking and barrel tile, hot in summer and cold in winter (well relatively cold in winter). I've been working on my kit since December,2004 and still in a learning mode although it's getting a little easier. What would I have done without the Matronics Zenith-List? It has really helped. Even comments by low-wingers are helpful :-) Tommy Walker in Alabama (Rudder, Stabilizer, elevator, Rt & Lt Wing, Flaperons done. Starting on Slats) "I have been lurking for a while and getting great information from the list. Now I get to put some of this information to use since I picked up my 701 kit from Yellow Freight yesterday. The only problem is my shop in now over 100 F and sweating on the plans is making it hard to read; also wrinkles the paper. Sure doesn't look like much when all of the parts are stacked in a small corner. Do not archive Dan Wilde eagle51@ix.netcom.com" ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:12 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Kit arrives --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Hello Tommy: You're not alone; my garage is very similar but I installed plywood across the ceiling joists and use the attic to store parts as I complete them. Right now the collection holds a rudder, stabilizer, and flaps. After making a working copy of my plans, I got two 11x17 loose-leaf binders (with the rings on the 11" side) from _www.11x17.com_ (http://www.11x17.com) and it was a good decision. The plans are still in good shape, and my archive copy is perfect. Look for p/n _1117-1SDV-BP_ (http://www.11x17.com/Product.htm?ProductID=57) Office Depot wanted $50/binder - I told them they were insane! Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601xl N458XL (reserved) do not archive In a message dated 7/2/2005 7:28:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, twalker@cableone.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" It's hot in Alabama too. I took my drawings to Office Depot and had a working copy made and stored my original copy in a cool dry place. My garage was built in 1931 and is 10x20 with no ceiling, just the rafters, 1x decking and barrel tile, hot in summer and cold in winter (well relatively cold in winter). ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:27 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Fuel Tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" Hi Folks I ran into this on E-Bay, after discussion with the owner I found out that I cannot use them in a 601XL but they would be perfect for the HD/HDS. Item # 5594516873 Description these are brand new rotational molded polyethelyne 10 gal tanks originally made for ultralight aircraft application. found these work very well as fuel tanks for the zodiac 601 hd wings. 2 bottom fittings, both 3/8" pipe thread, and 10/32 thread screw inserts along aft perimeter of tanks for mounting options. Tanks weigh 6lbs each, and sold as a pair, and will ship in 1 box as a pair. The seller informed me that he has 6 of these tanks. Hope this helps someone!! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL , Osprey 2 serial # 751 President: Kitchener/Waterloo RAA Chapter www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:56 AM PST US From: Monty Graves Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Kit arrives --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves I went to KINKOS and had them put poster board stock on front and back. Remove the staples. Then spiral bind the top. That way the plans lay flat on the table all the time. It works well, better than a three binder, and costs $4.00 total. Monty >Office Depot wanted $50/binder - I told them they were insane! > > >Tracy Smith >Naugatuck, CT >601xl N458XL (reserved) >do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:20 AM PST US From: Steve Cooper (SquirrelMail authenticated user sportflyer) by webmail.emcity.net with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:32:28.-0600@roxy.matronics.com (MDT) Subject: Zenith-List: engine wanted looking for used Rotax 912/912S. Cash in Hand. sportflyer@emcity.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:50 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: cortex vs zinc chromate 0.38 FROM_NO_LOWER From address has no lower-case characters --> Zenith-List message posted by: Can cortex and zinc chromate be used on same assembly,for ex can I apply cortex to the ribs and use zinc chromate on the skin? Also where can I get zinc chromate in powder form and mix it with paint thinner to spray on? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:40 PM PST US From: "Jeff Davidson" Subject: Zenith-List: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" Well folks I=92m finally making great progress! I=92m currently putting the tires and tubes on the Matco wheels. I=92m looking forward to seeing it stand on its own. I bought my wheels from ZAC in August 1999 as part of a Gears and Wheels component kit. It seems that the current available bolts for these wheels are AN4s =96 =BC inch in diameter =96 per Matco. My wheel halves came bolted together but with AN5 bolts. The bolts have a Hex head for an Allen wrench. The nut is a fiber lock nut. Both are =BD inch. The problem is that I=92ve tried many, many sockets, but I can=92t get a =BD inch socket into the recessed hole to grab the lock nut. This may be an old problem. At least one post in the archives mentions multiple types of Matco wheels. Evidently the Matco assets were sold in 2000 so this might pre-date the current company. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks =85 Jeff Davidson Still building =85. CH601-HD ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:13 PM PST US From: "Dan Wilde" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Kit arrives --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Wilde" I complained yesterday about it being hot in my shop (and it is) but I do have a portable swamp cooler that works great. I roll it to where I am working and it blasts me with 80 degree air. I am located in the Central Valley of CA (Turlock) where the summers are long and hot but not like Tucson or Phoenix. Outside of the heat I am fortunate to have a 30 X 50 metal uninsulated shop to work in. I built the shop a few years ago before the price of steel and concrete went sky high. There were lots of bolts, rivets and large sheets of metal in that project also. Outside of the shop is a 900 foot runway that I currently use for my TEAM AirBike and I suspect the runway will do just fine for the 701. I assume the 701 with a 912 will not be more noisy than a two cycle ultralight. Dan Wilde eagle51@ix.netcom.com EarthLink Revolves Around You. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:43 PM PST US From: "Kelly Meiste" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" The problem > is that I=92ve tried many, many sockets, but I can=92t get a =BD inch > socket into > the recessed hole to grab the lock nut. This may be an old problem. At > least one post in the archives mentions multiple types of Matco wheels. > Evidently the Matco assets were sold in 2000 so this might pre-date the > current company. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks =85 > > > Jeff Davidson > > Still building =85. CH601-HD ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jeff, I purchased my Matco wheels at approx the same time period. I had to put my socket in a lathe and turn down the sockets outside diameter in order to get it to fit, nothing else would work. Kelly Meiste 601 HD (120 hours) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:27 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com Sounds like you need a "thin-wall" socket. The guys in the Snap-On truck might have it, but I had the same problem with swing-arm bolts & locknuts on the BMW motorcycle. 20 minutes later with some very careful grinding ( I did not have access to a lathe at the time) came a usable tool. Try it Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT 601xl N458XL (reserved) do not archive In a message dated 7/2/2005 8:36:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, kellymeiste@jcwifi.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kelly Meiste" The problem > is that I=92ve tried many, many sockets, but I can=92t get a =BD inch > socket into > the recessed hole to grab the lock nut. This may be an old problem. At > least one post in the archives mentions multiple types of Matco wheels. > Evidently the Matco assets were sold in 2000 so this might pre-date the > current company. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks =85 > > > Jeff Davidson > > Still building =85. CH601-HD ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jeff, I purchased my Matco wheels at approx the same time period. I had to put my socket in a lathe and turn down the sockets outside diameter in order to get it to fit, nothing else would work. Kelly Meiste 601 HD (120 hours) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:05 PM PST US From: "David Alberti" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" Take a look at some 1/4 inch drive sockets. Many have thin walls because they are not designed for high torque. Dave 601-HD 912ULS -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Davidson Subject: Zenith-List: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" The problem is that I've tried many, many sockets, but I can't get a inch socket into the recessed hole to grab the lock nut. Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:32 PM PST US From: Steve Hulland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Kit arrives --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland Dan, Probably correct about the noise with the 912 and I am sure you are correct about the runway. I may be able to blade a 350' strip on my property. Bet the county will object. May try anyway. After the airplane is flying and I am well versed and practiced in its ability, I intend to at least do a couple of landings and takeoffs on my property. We shall see. Is Turlock anywhere near Fresno, Bakersfield or NAS Lamoore? Steve On 7/2/05, Dan Wilde wrote: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Wilde" > > I complained yesterday about it being hot in my shop (and it is) but I do > have a portable swamp cooler that works great. I roll it to where I am > working and it blasts me with 80 degree air. I am located in the Central > Valley of CA (Turlock) where the summers are long and hot but not like > Tucson or Phoenix. > > Outside of the heat I am fortunate to have a 30 X 50 metal uninsulated > shop to work in. I built the shop a few years ago before the price of steel > and concrete went sky high. There were lots of bolts, rivets and large > sheets of metal in that project also. Outside of the shop is a 900 foot > runway that I currently use for my TEAM AirBike and I suspect the runway > will do just fine for the 701. I assume the 701 with a 912 will not be more > noisy than a two cycle ultralight. > > Dan Wilde > eagle51@ix.netcom.com > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:28 PM PST US From: "Jeff Davidson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Matco Wheels circa 1999 - hex bolts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Davidson" Thanks to all for the suggestions. I suspect that I'll have to turn down the outside diameter of a socket like Kelly did. I can say that a Craftsman quarter inch drive half inch deep socket will not fit. It is good to know the problem is not unique! Jeff Davidson CH 601 HD ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:55 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Kit arrives --> Zenith-List message posted by: NYTerminat@aol.com I seperated each group of dwgs. IE rudder, fuselage, controls, ect. installed a binder clip on top of dwgs, and put a clear laminate film over each plan. they have stood up to much abuse in my shop. Dig in and start building! Bob Spudis